the united states is changing its international status, if you can say so, and it is quite possible that it will generally reduce its international presence after a certain time, which means that in the future of several years in general, ukraine, well, can count on a lot of american help, well it's risky because, well , you have to rely more on yourself, as far as to... next year's aid, which might be enough to win, in this war, the question is, although most americans and most congressmen support the provision of such aid, they want to make it so that they get more political, political advantages in the next presidential election, the republicans want to make it so that there are solutions in this package that will get their candidate better

votes and accordingly, the democratic candidate will get less votes, and this decision, this aspect - this is, in general, the immigration policy of the united states, the republicans want to change it altogether and close the united states, in fact, to stop the practice that the united states - this is a country of immigrants, but they want to change it, close it and do it, well, like most countries in europe, they conduct their migrant policy, go to the border, then apply for help, and then it will be considered for a long, long time, and the person will be outside the borders the united states , in principle, other countries behave like that, but the united states was different, this is a very important issue for the united states, because its perception as a country in general depends on it, it seems that the domestic policy

of the united states is now in that stage of bidding between the white house and the republican wing, because the white house issued a political ultimatum, of course, that support for israel and ukraine will be voted together in one package, and it must be done, taking into account the situation in both countries, and it seems that the republicans have found on their side another argument, or perhaps another cozir, is amplification. politics, strengthening borders, in fact, as they say, yes, but in essence, this is about us migration policy, what can be next in these negotiations, given that that the ukrainian delegation is in washington. i am not sure that we will be heard there now, well, a little, here, since the issue is in the balance, each vote can really affect something, so it is of course important, but the fundamental question is how far the biden administration is ready to make concessions

and as far as the republicans are bluffing, because well, if they don't approve any aid, it's going to be, well, for the united states, for their current policies, that's also a disaster, so what's going to be, well, two options, or anyway, the republicans will be satisfied with the fact that the border will be strengthened, the southern border will be strengthened, but without politics, and this leaves some opportunities for candidates from the democratic party, but they will be satisfied, or the biden administration will make such a deep compromise, as a change in general, migration policy, and it will be a disaster for the democratic party, because their base is them. so i think

they will still find a compromise, it's hard to say what it will be, i think it's impossible for congress to vote on joseph biden's package entirely, they will divide it, but it is radical, but in the end, or they will vote entirely, if the administration of joseph biden makes such deep concessions on the migration issue, and let me clarify one more point, since we are talking about the american one. of course, it is necessary to remember the elections to the white house next year, and here too an important aspect emerges, well , at least what i hear from international observers, on the one hand, biden needs the victories of the 24th year, and the ukrainian case, and his in principle so it is considered in washington, it can be a successful case if there really will be achievements on the part of the ukrainian defense forces, the republicans are obviously not interested in this. can we become hostages

of these trades and this situation? no, the republicans are just as interested in the victory of ukraine as other americans, it's just... they don't like biden even more than they don't like putin, but this is a big problem, in principle, in principle, biden for joseph biden in that situation, as it is now, he will already lose the election and he will not lose because of ukraine, he will lose because of israel, supporting israel cost him a significant number, well a significant part of the number of his traditional voters, and now biden is going to lose, the only possibility for biden to win is, if there is , a stunning victory for ukraine, such a great, great great victory that again, again will prove that biden's policies were absolutely correct, and it could change, well, from my point of view, yes, in all other

scenarios, what biden can do now is just leave a mark in history and do everything to make this, this war , in this war with... was ordered, punished, that's why this is the situation , but, but the republicans, their policy is not to prevent ukraine from winning, their policy is to prevent biden from winning, i would like to, yes mr. oleksiy, this is an interesting thesis, which you said, but i would like it here precisely, the interests of biden and ours were not in the same basket, or were not combined, in the opinion of the republicans, for good, and if we are talking about the presidential race as a whole, which is actually already at a low start in the united states, how serious the threat is that joe biden will lose the next election and be the republican candidate, and maybe

if it is donald trump, who is currently leading, that support for ukraine is under serious threat, support for ukraine is under serious, under serious threat. because of the general trend that the united states is closing , it is closing, this is a global trend, this has happened in the history of the united states, it sometimes enters the international arena, then it closes, the main thing is that this closing and the same little self-isolation did not happen, not was with a major, so that it would be, there was some change in tone, but not a major revision of politics, in terms of biden win, biden lose, well, sociology currently says that trump will still lose to any democratic candidate except biden, biden will lose to trump and he will lose not because of ukraine , he will lose because of israel, because of his position on israel, well, and again in my opinion, i

will say it again, biden can, he will either withdraw from the election, and then the democrats, they will win if they will find another candidate, well, any candidate the candidate, from the democrats, the republican trump will lose, either, or biden will win this war, will do everything so that ukraine wins already, say, in six months and wins this war so, stunningly, then i think, in general, all the schedules in the world regarding that , who will win and lose the election will change dramatically all over the world, not only in the united states, it will be a cardinal event in the world politics of ukraine's gains. oleksii yezhak, expert of the national institute of strategic studies, of course we have something to discuss with you, mr. oleksii, but then we will continue next time, and now we will move on to the information that the european parliament proposes to make decisions

of the european union by a qualified majority, and not by consensus. the resolution on changes in the basic agreement of the eu was supported by the deputies, they propose to consider two-thirds of the member states representing at least 50% of the population of the european union as a qualified majority, while small countries will be given special powers. the new system will help to avoid a situation where one or more countries block the adoption of a decision. consensus rule often led to delays or inability of eu countries to make decisions. in particular, this concerns the complex procedure of adopting the 12th package of sanctions against russia, as well as the payment of 500 million euros in defense aid to ukraine, which is consistently blocked by hungary. bohdan ferrens, an expert on international issues, joins our broadcast. mr. bohdan, congratulations, good day, speaking of such and such an initiative, how quickly do you think it will be possible to change the principle of voting, supporting even decisions in the european union? i think hardly

will succeed quickly, because the procedural issues , which for a long time, so to speak, have not changed much, but the main thing is that there is a discussion, that is, within the european union, how future decisions should be made, and these decisions can also be different, that is or a consensus, as it is now, when all the member states of the european union have a positive or negative answer, that is, or, for example, there is a majority, that is, yes, that is why each country, regardless of its size, in terms of gross domestic product economy, i.e. geographical location, it wants to maintain its influence and its voice in this process, so it will be necessary directly within the european union... to seriously prepare for december in order for these changes to really take place, because

our partners, they understand that in the context of the enlargement policy, for example, in the context of extremely important decisions that need to be made, again, not stretched in time, procedures need to be changed, the geopolitical context is changing, and the european union it should also internally become a more effective association that ensures quick decisions, high-quality decisions aimed at supporting democracy, bohdan, tell me, have you personally figured out how to procedurally change this procedure, as it will happen in the european union? well , i understood a little bit, i’m trying, at least, but we still lack information, and i think not only in us, but in the member states of the european union and the representatives who deal with this issue, because there are some developments, they are by the way ... earlier, and certain, let's say, yes, certain drafts, they have now been renewed in the context of the fact that

key countries such as germany and france, they have already worked out the change of these procedures, indeed the decision to change should also be made by consensus, so there are such interdependent processes, when everyone has to agree that, for example, from such a period, in relation to such issues, the procedure will be... changed, and please tell me, bohdan, we often talk about hungary, we say, hungary, everything is because of it, hungary is too pragmatic, and there are those who have a similar position, just does not advertise it so brightly, is there hungary and is there another european union? i've always said that, like, sometimes it's convenient to have such an orbán, if you need, for example , certain decisions, or somewhere... to stretch in time or say, well, hungary is against, so we

can't speed up, so not only the context is worth to be considered from the position of hungary, although orbán, strengthened by these sentiments, which are really growing in the context of support for right-wing forces, populist forces, especially after the elections in slovakia and the elections in the netherlands, he more brightly, let's say, positions itself, more confidently, i would say, so again... we should also not forget about the domestic political context of the united states of america, which also reflects on the situation on the political process within the european union. in one or another country, there are political forces that , let's say, have a different attitude to the context of the european union, integration, expansion, and in some places to the extent and in what volumes it is necessary to support, for example, ukraine. so we have to work sometimes on ahead with various political forces,

even in germany itself there is an alternative political force for germany, which, unfortunately, according to the measurements, is also gaining, so to speak, support in the current period of time, and here the trends, they are sometimes like a pendulum, you know, it happens, that is, sending , so to speak, the political... sentiments of more moderate centrists in one or another country influence the decision-making processes. of course, we understand that it is like a pendulum, because even the ban on the import of grain from ukraine, which was introduced in poland and other western neighbors, became an example of how a conflict over one problem, only one problem, and there are already quite a few of them, can lead to the blocking of accession to the european union. that is, we talk a lot here , you just said that the european union should be more flexible, faster in its reactions, but at the same time, you also constantly talked on the air... how slowly everything happens and how everything is bureaucratized there, that's how

it turns out one of our wishes contradicts another reality, as can a bureaucratized system to become fast, flexible, even if the nature of the relationship pushes for it, even if the time pushes for it, in what way can this situation be shaken up and the slow ones made fast, and one conflict so that it does not lead to the whole situation of blocking our entry into the european union. bureaucracy in the eu sometimes plays two roles, indeed, one role is sometimes, so to speak, in regulating the balancing of the positions of different countries, because the eu is not a homogeneous entity, we need to understand that, but the bureaucracy is also, so to speak, accountable political decision, etc control and political decision, so here we must first of all work with political players, leaders in each country, eu member state, it is clear, even in some places to communicate with those who, let's say, do not fully support us yet, or perhaps

do not support us us, because we need it, in the realities that are happening outside the borders of ukraine, and the third issue is to really work with the political groups that are key in the european union, these are the christian democrats, conservatives, also the forces, and the social democrats, they key who forms european, they form european institutions, and in principle there is a cautious prediction that in the next composition of the european parliament, right-wing forces are possible, they will... strengthen, so to speak, well, we see from the trends that maloney's party, in italy, it will also be possible to recruit more, they will strengthen, but again the key political currents, which will determine the agenda of the dominant european union, are again the christian democrats and the social democrats, and here it is important that we as

individuals work, specifically with politicians and leaders, also at the level of an informal union. interparty communication, because it all affects the decision-making process, firstly, secondly, citizens of certain countries, they should hear more from their politicians about support for ukraine in a reasoned way, because again, sometimes refocusing on internal problems, it interferes, and politicians sometimes also avoid this subject in internal political debates, but the responsibility also rests with the leaders of the member states. eu, the leaders of the political forces of this or that country, from how they are explain, systematically communicate with their citizens, why ukrainians choose not only their sovereignty, but why ukrainians really directly ensure the security of europe and in the context of values, i'm sorry, and you, you think, this, this

worries the ordinary citizen of a european country, especially the further from the ukrainian border. because, well, my last business trip to brussels, for example, showed that there are people there, christmas has already started for them, and they definitely don't care about ukraine, well, at least that's the atmosphere on the streets, politicians are really in meetings with in ukrainian, colleagues, they say that this is how you and i are, well, but politicians look more and focus on society's opinions, that's why i mentioned, if you noticed, argu... yes, communication should not be so possible emotionally, as it was at the beginning of the full-scale invasion, it worked, i'm sorry, i'm sorry, but how, how then should a ukrainian conditional politician reasonably communicate with belgian voters, well, that is, what is the connection between them, look, i'll repeat again, i carefully

said that the politicians of the member states of the european union, leaders of political parties, member states of the european union should communicate with their citizens, not our ukrainian politicians directly with the citizens of the european union there, but their politicians, because it is also their responsibility, how to form support, how to make budgetary decisions nature, because every member state of the european union, especially the key most powerful ones, germany and france, as well as the scandinavian countries, fill this budget, from which, we hope, help will come. and support, here is precisely the reasoned communication of their political leaders, it is extremely important, the system is available , they recorded your position, thank you, bohdan ferens, an expert on international issues, joined our broadcast, they were forced to fly a long route, left without dinner, and then more shamed in front of a universal boycott. the visit of the minister of foreign affairs of russia, sergey

lavrov, to the summit of the organization for security and cooperation in europe, which is being held in the capital of north macedonia, skopje, is, to put it mildly, a no-brainer. first, the russian delegation bulgaria refused to fly over its country, because the press secretary of the russian ministry of foreign affairs, maria zakharova, was on board the plane, so the moscow diplomats had to urgently change the route, fly to skopje via greece and turkey, which is five hours plus . and already at the summit itself, six states, ukraine, estonia, latvia, lithuania and poland , left the hall during lavrov's speech, to which lavrov interrupted his speech in english and asked him to be quiet. dmytro vasiliev, political consultant. now in touch with us, i assume that dmytro vasiliev from i would be happy to give peace to lavrov and all the leaders of russia. if only it were possible, as if they are asking, but they don't want to take peace of mind, right? mr. dmytro, let's start with a little bit of jokes , that's right, you can't give them peace, they are criminals, criminals must answer

to the victims, to ukraine, to the world community, they are criminals, therefore criminals must answer according to international law, but if to go into detail the transliteration into english is actually english what he said sounds leave me one, well, i think that the whole hall should have done as lavrov wished, stand up, leave, and announce a complete boycott of this international criminal, who is still called the minister of foreign affairs of russia, but look, we are talking about macedonia , the day before, putin came to the emirs and in the emirates he was greeted magnificently, and i sat, watching those shots, how the tricolors hung in the emirates, i thought. against the ukrainians who are there, they also came now during the full-scale invasion of russia, and there are ukrainians there, they also conduct ukrainian promotions, how is it these days for them to be in

solid tricolors in the emirates. what are the emirates about now? someone calls them a country to which russian money flows, it happens, such a certain gray area for russian money. please explain these processes, why the emirates are so happy, so happy about the dictator who came to them. well, because the emirates are making money, they understand that they have the opportunity to make money both from russia and to become an important geopolitical player, and in fact, the emirates are now looking at the world and must understand whether they should stay with the civilized world, or to cooperate even more closely with the axis of evil, well , we have...' that putin came and there were tricolors, because it was, well, an official visit of kermannych of this state, but

there is enough russian money, russian citizens in the emirates a lot, and our citizens, whom you mentioned tatiana, they constantly cross paths with these russian citizens in the emirates, how do they live there during these crossings, well, it is better to ask them, so here... you know, it is very necessary here , to actively work in our diplomacy, our civil society, with our partner countries, and we need to think about what needs to be done so that the landing force that exists today in the united states of america, including working to ensure that such countries as the emirates and saudi arabia work less and less with russia federation, and that those sanctions be introduced that would not allow these countries to even think about cooperation, let alone...' in financial ruin from the russian federation. tell me, but you are talking, including about the isolation of the russian federation, but how about this achieve in a globalizing world? well,

actually, you know, the world is like water, and if you cover the water somewhere, it will always find a place to leak. er, that's why russia is very actively circumventing these sanctions, and this just says that the world is globalized. but if to imagine that the world can not just be open water there, pipes in which you can block the extremities, but i think that this is exactly what needs to be done so that russia does not find other possible channels in order to avoid sanctions, i think what are these extras? sanctions against those who help russia circumvent sanctions should be very tough, well, in addition, well, look, you need to study the experience of germany, but it was believed that it was dumb. cannot do without russian gas at all, during the year germany found every opportunity to leave russia without such an active player on

the pan-european continent and will not be russia's partner. in the same way , it is necessary to offer the international community, it is necessary to offer such options for cooperation in order for cooperation with russia was simply unprofitable and dangerous. of course. i want to ask you, you yourself said about sanctions, you monitor these processes, as they are monitored, for example, by the kyiv school of economics, because when we talk about sanctions, those processes that do not touch their agro-industrial complex, we often talk about the military, roscosmos discussed on the air, why, what reasons, because nuclear power plants are being built, and their agrarian sphere, it is generally kind of sacred, that is , talking so much about food security, the european union is unlikely to go for the fact that somehow to leave russia's grain to russia, this is absolutely not, do you also think that here the world is like water and even here there can be shifts in this sphere. i think that there may be changes

in this area, but here in this case two factors must be taken into account, the first factor is that there really is a food crisis, there really is a probability of famine, in different countries of the world at least two continents, and if so, then, of course, russian grain, it is needed so that there is no famine in those countries where it is possible, another matter, what is it really, if we we say that russia will still transfer this grain somewhere, so ukrainian diplomacy and the international community must ensure that this grain sold by russia is considered ukrainian, because russia has stolen a lot of ukrainian grain, and it is not selling its own grain , and if we make it so that the grain sold by russia was deposited, well, the money for the purchase of this grain was deposited in some american bank of new york.

accounts, and then would be transferred to ukraine over time, but i think that it could be very not a bad decision, and just an important sanction that could be introduced, and it's a question for our partners, why don't they do it, uh, it's a question for our partners, but we're talking about the fact that the world is pragmatic, and everyone has partner probably has his own reasons not to do it, for you, the situation that is happening in the congress, the situation with what says... andriy yermak that if we are not given help, if it is not unblocked, then victory of ukraine, it is postponed, in a situation with the victory of ukraine, it is for you obvious, or too many components already appear? well, first of all, we are talking about the fact that there are huge historical upheavals, geopolitical, historical upheavals, and really , the life of the entire planet will depend on who wins this war for the next...

there 80-100 years, until next century, and i think that the entire democratic world is interested in the fact that this life is legal, that it is democratic and that the democratic world wins, because there are many more non-democratic countries than democratic countries, and there are also very many countries that are, you know, with signs of democracy, but authoritarian, and now they will be very actively looking at who will win if democracy wins, but they will understand. that it is better to become a more democratic country, if an autocracy , they will go to an autocracy, this is the first, and the second, if , if ukraine loses, god forbid, an extremely serious and big war will begin on the territory of the whole of europe, the entire european union, and america will join already with his troops, including in this war. i think, that nato countries are not interested in this, and that is why it is so important to give ukraine the opportunity to win, because ukraine is on the frontline, precisely of the democratic world,

of the euro-atlantic bloc, and here, well, in the decision-making by the americans, it is very important to understand that there is now a huge the political component, they are fighting between the two parties for the future, they discussed it on the air, dmitry, thank you, dmitry vasiliev, political consultant, then we will give the floor to the information service, and we have another hour of discussion ahead of us, the team is with you now tv channel rada in our face, vadym kolodiychuk, tetyana goncharova. step by step, they move from one danger to another, step by step, they liberate our land from invisible death, fields and forests, houses that have been visited by evil, without sappers, life will not return here, without the courage and

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