about the intensification of bilateral relations, and then there was a very tight schedule in the united states, the most interesting thing is that this schedule completely coincides with the fact that i am now following with interest the visit of mr. stefanchuk with this visit, there was also a meeting with the chairman of the congress, mr. johnson, and a speech at the peace institute and congressmen and senators, it seems to me that maybe they didn't want to, i don't know the feeling there that... stefanchuk usually doesn't really want to see in the parliament, and especially the fair and the campaign, maybe they thought it was more comfortable for them to be there themselves, but i'm sorry, we are not crooks to please the president's office, we are ukrainian politicians who work for the state, for ukraine, and do everything to make ukraine stronger, so that support for ukraine is stronger. it is obvious that petro oleksivych and our team have the appropriate competence and authority to strengthen support here. country, it

seems very, very wrong to me. thank you, mrs. iryna, this was iryna gerashchenko, people's deputy of ukraine. friends, we are working live on the espresso tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms, for those who are currently watching us on these platforms, please like this video, subscribe to our pages on these platforms, and vote in our poll, today we ask you about whether it is necessary to strengthen mobilization measures in ukraine, yes , no, please. vote on youtube, everything is quite simple there, two functions, or write your comment under this video, and you can pick up the phone and vote on the phone lines (0800-211-381) for those who think that measures should be strengthened with of mobilization in ukraine and 0.800 211 382, ​​if you think that this should not be done, all calls to these numbers are free and you can vote until... 22:00

we vote for two hours, we have yehor firsov on the phone, a fighter of the tro, a deputy of the verkhovna rada of the seventh and eighth convocations, a fighter who is currently on the eastern front, mr. yehor, i congratulate you and thank you for joining our broadcast, i wish you all health, i am glad to see everyone, because i have not seen you for a long time with you, mr. yehor, we are asking questions with... our viewers, we are trying to find out whether it is necessary to strengthen mobilization measures in ukraine, because this is connected, of course, with the law that is currently being developed in the verkhovna rada of ukraine, which provides for a number of measures that will allow it to speed up, or let's say, improve mobilization, mobilization in ukraine, as well as demobilization, what do you think, do you need to strengthen mobilization measures, although this is probably... for you i will have some kind of

rhetorical question, since you are at the front, and i am sitting here in the studio, but i will tell you yes, for sure, that a year ago i would have did not tell you, but my answer will be as follows: and if we want to win the war, the whole country has to fight, but here one aspect is important, it does not mean that the mobilization that is taking place now is effective. this does not mean at all that it is necessary to catch people on the street who do not want to fight, hand out machine guns to them and drive them into battle. the war has become different, it is modern, we need engineers, we need technicians , we need a lot of people, this does not mean that, of course, we also need attack aircraft, that's it, but... we have to relate

people should not be treated as a resource, but should be treated according to the characteristics that a person is able to, knows by his professional abilities and so on, why are there problems with mobilization now, because people are precisely afraid that they will a person will not be used for its intended purpose, but simply to push a machine gun there and... cut tasks that are not characteristic of a person, and here, that is the question, of course, there will definitely not be a simple solution here, but i emphasize once again, if we want to win the war, everyone should be involved, i just wrote about it today, if we we are talking about educational institutions, technical schools, universities, we need to make rooms for the assembly of drones there, to assemble these drones everywhere, which... there we simply need ends and this

may be our only advantage, but we need to make an advantage in means, now we are the enemy give in everything, just everything , the number of weapons, the number of ammunition , the number of people, the number of drones, but we need to concentrate on what we know how to do, whether it is realistic to multiply the production of our ukrainian drones many times, and maybe tens of times, i will answer you , yes it's real and this must be done, so, well, it is very difficult for me to answer this question in the space of a few minutes, but of course, the mobilization must be changed, and we really need people to the front, i would like to be able to give you certain numbers there , but i will not do that, here, but the approach to mobilization also needs to be urgently and

radically changed, well, they are trying to find some kind of middle ground in the verkhovna rada, fyodor venislavskyi, now a former permanent representative of the president in the verkhovna rada of ukraine, but.. people's deputy of ukraine, he is one of the authors of the bills, there are two bills pending in the verkhovna rada that, in general , it is proposed to oblige ukrainians to be at the tsc within 48 hours after receiving a summons by e-mail or by registered letter, in addition, they want to implement the defender's certificate is valid and this certificate will allow. to be used by the person who will have this certificate during the registration of ownership of immovable and movable property, marriage, divorce, for obtaining higher education or medical services, and also through for crossing the state border, and of course, tsc get more tools for checking the military registration documents

of citizens on the streets, delivering them to military headquarters, and declaring them wanted. you mentioned the chaotic actions of the tsc, when they take people away from gyms. they come with assault rifles and try to hand out summonses, this was in particular in zakarpattia a few days ago, then they serve summonses to those who violate something there or become such a malicious violator of public peace, as a sort of punishment, but this system, about which you say is career orientation, i would say so, it is not conducted, that is, someone who knows how to assemble drones or... today, by the way, ua work announced that this career orientation will take place, that you need to sign up, men need to decide on the directions that they can take care of in the army

, of course, this issue is quite broad and , apparently, it should still be a major state policy, because these and the tsk and the mobilization system, it is still like that, well, in the soviet , i would say so, and they follow these soviet models they are trying to take people away, is it generally soviet, not even semi-soviet, but generally soviet. well, i'm sorry, i can't say that, because you know this system more than i do now. but here we are talking not only about those who want to be mobilized, but about those who have the right to be demobilized. so you hear what the guys who are there are saying at the front. for two years, someone has been there for a year and a half, what, what, what do they say, what should this fair demobilization be like, because it seems to be in the bill about 36 months, well, i don't know if they will approve it, that after 36 months people will have the right to

demobilize in the conditions of the current war, is it too much or not, so let's go, and the first story is that... mobilization, let's get back to it, mobilization has be carried out plus or minus as follows: we, tss , someone from the ministry of defense should come out and say: "friends, we need 500 pilots of the air force, we need 200 tactical medics, we need 700 attack fighters, we need 200 cooks and so on and so on ". so that people clearly understand and are already preparing directly at home there on youtube they were preparing in educational centers, what awaits them and where do they want to go? the second point is very important, deputies should

pass laws on mobilization, this is not the first priority, i generally believe that deputies should be sent to the front in military units. this is not populism, i worked as a deputy, the law states as follows how deputies work: sessions, work in committees, this is important, and weeks. are assigned to work in the districts, so each deputy must be officially assigned by law to the military unit, arrive there, he they put a stamp that he has arrived, and he works this time for a week, the second directly to the military unit. i emphasize once again, this is not populism, this is a necessary step for the deputies to understand the need very well before adopting laws. the problems that the military lives with and what is happening in the military units, i know some deputies

who travel along the front, they even came to us, i gave them certain such, well in a good sense, tours, but these are a few, at most a few dozen, that's all period, everyone others go about their business, and when they press the buttons, they do not realize what they are voting for, they have no idea. what needs, what problems do they know about the war from this field window that you show, from facebook, from youtube, from the fact that there, in the best case, some of their relatives talk about the war and everything, so they have to come here, work here and after that, to vote on various laws on mobilization, the third point, which concerns demobilization, of course demobilization is necessary, the guys are very tired, the strength is running out, frankly, i

now i’m alone, well, i practically don’t go out to any public organization at all, because i just don’t have the strength, that’s why you’re always busy, and i apologize, i’m the chief sergeant in the bpl unit, it’s one of the elites, i’m not an infantryman, although i know, i’m a weaver infantry, it's just difficult to describe it at all, what are the conditions like there, like a person in general, well, psychologists'. breaks down, how she ages, how, if she even stayed alive , how her health declines and so on, so of course mobilization and mobilization are very much needed, besides, a certain rotation, when a person, well, it's a little different from demobilization, but rotation is mandatory, because a person who has gained experience, as there is on the front lines, regarding the decommissioning of drones, regarding the use of drones, regarding the needs of the military in... working somewhere in the general staff, in the forces of administrations, central administrations, she

completely different approach to the problems of the front line, i have deep respect for the senior command, for the officers, but they were going through the war of 14, it is a slightly different war than the one now, but here, especially with the specification of drones, with connection, well , in general, a lot of things that are not correspond to war. of the 14th year, which do not correspond at all to the statute, even soviet statutes, so of course the guys who will return from here with their experience, they will be much better at managing the process and sharing their experience somewhere in kyiv and in other central cities, but mr. yegor , tell her, why does the system change so slowly, well, russians make decisions quickly. it is necessary to build and concrete three lines of defense there in the south of ukraine,

they will block, they concreted, we are talking about fortifications there, about the fact that this need to be done, and this is already happening a year after they already dug there and built these fortifications, we are talking about the need to change the system of mobilization and demobilization, that is, in the government and in the highest echelons of power, young people, in principles, it's... not that there are people who are over 70 or over 80 years old, but people who are 30, 30, 35, 40 years old, 45 years old, why don't we have this, speed in decision-making, because you are right they said that war is completely different, it needs quick decisions, quick changes, even for the same production of the same drones, because this is a war of a completely different generation, a war where... are very important, and russia is now demonstrating by not launching missiles at peaceful

cities of ukraine, simply using drones that, with which they simply stamp there hundreds or thousands in russia. i will tell you because i feel that we have two realities as two countries. it's not about age, even if you are 20 years old, even if you are 50 years old, you just live in others. reality over kyiv , planes don't fly over you, fabs don't fall, there are no stretch marks, v in principle, all this is protected, and there is such a mythical impression that everything is under control, that... where there is a war, there, and it is very far, and the guys there manage somehow, but if this official would take office for a few days, and i apologize once again, this is not populism, this is reality, so that he gets from one reality to another reality and feels for himself, with his body, heart, and mind, what is happening in general. i am convinced, the situation

would be completely different. what and why? the army of israel, they constantly talk about it, that it is, well, so strong and strong, because everyone passed through the israeli army, and he understands the needs, and the prime ministers in the past were employees, and now their children are fighting in the israeli army, risking their lives, their relatives, neighbors, and one reality is being formed in the country, we have this, here you said there about a person. an official or a minister who is 30 years old there, and no matter how old he is, he has not been in the army, he has not been in the war, but if you ask if his children, parents, or at least relatives are in the war, he will also tell you will answer that no, there is not, so he sees it just in a picture through tiktok, how is the war there, he is afraid, he shuts himself down and continues

to do some incomprehensible thing there, so this is the task of the state leadership. to return the whole country to the single reality of war and first of all to do it with officials, deputies and so on, because they make decisions, in order for them to make competent decisions, they must be in reality with the military. well, over the past two months, there has been such a big discussion in the country in general, and in the media in particular , about the fact that the civilian leadership of ukraine is military leadership, and whether or not. do they understand each other, do they make the right decisions, because from what we read in the western press, there is some kind of conflict between these two worlds of civilians and military, the office of the president of ukraine says that there is no advisers of the office of the president of ukraine, you , you somehow hear about it, you, you, what

do you think about it, considering what, what, what in front of you ee... these ranks of these russian invaders. i will tell you this, here is such advice, advice, relatively speaking, to the leadership of the country, such a life hack, a habit. i wouldn't met with some, well, leading, ska, well, to be more precise, when i would meet with leading officers, commanders, i broke as follows: arriving at the unit, arriving at the unit. i would approach the rank-and-file employees and do this , here you are, you, you, and you, come to me for a meeting, guys, and you, you, and you are a non-commissioned officer, or an ordinary soldier, and i would ask, guys, what’s wrong , because that’s exactly it, you understand what

the question is, and the face of the one who holds the front is, of course, an ordinary guy, well, at best... a sergeant of some kind in charge a sergeant, for example, of course there are also officers, but nevertheless, these are people directly who can 99% explain their problems. first, the line of defense is the difference between sitting in a knee-deep trench or in a concrete or iron dugout, believe me, i worked both there and there, and i know how you can be of benefit. on the front line, when you are in a concrete dugout, how can you work, and when you are just up to your waist somewhere in some hole. next, what do you have with the provision of security, what do you have with drones, what exactly do you need drones and so on, and that's it in fact, there is a real depth in the ordinary soldier, and this

is the focus of a group of soldiers, to understand what is happening on the front lines, the leadership , first of all, with them ... you need to talk, well, frankly, i don't know if anyone here listens to me, because sometimes i feel like we're all saying the right things to each other, we're in a kind of bubble , and most likely, well, i'll say for myself, i feel like it's just, well, somehow it's going somewhere, well, i hope , maybe our air now someone from the government officials is watching and maybe rationally will take note. thank you, mr. yehor. i was glad to see you, thanks for the inclusion, this is a tro fighter, yehor firsov, who is on the eastern front. friends, we are live on the espresso tv channel, as well as on ... our platforms on youtube and facebook, for those who are currently watching us live on youtube and facebook, be sure to like this video to promote it in youtube trends, don't

be shy and vote in our poll, today we ask you about is it necessary to strengthen mobilization measures in ukraine, yes no, if you watch us on tv, pick up your phone or smartphone and vote, if you think it is necessary to strengthen mobilization measures, call 0800 211 381 no 0800 211382 all calls on these numbers are free at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote. then with us is the former deputy head of the security service of ukraine, major general of the security service of ukraine in reserve viktor yagun. mr. general, i welcome you and thank you for joining our broadcast. good day. let's start with the liquidation of kyiv in the suburbs of moscow. in december, the sbu shot a collaborator of the adviser, an interesting discussion in the circle of russian propagandists, testifies to the fact that both here and there

want kyiv, except for the land of glass wool. let's listen to how russian propagandists commented on the murder of kiva. here are the cries about the fact that the earth is glassy to him, i honestly do not share, well, because this is a man. because all this happened on the territory of our country, it is possible to treat his politics differently there at a glance, they were suspicious, to put it mildly , they are shouting now to be happy about something, to be honest, i don't see any possibility and i don't think it's right. to be honest, i'm quite annoyed by the various comments related to what kiva was like, it doesn't play any role at all. it is important that this is not the first terrorist attack carried out by the ukrainian special services on the territory of our country, this is due to the interesting

logic of some people, including my friends, who draw attention to the fact that in the telegram, it is like not in this, whatever he was, he was on the territory of our country, murder. will affect the behavior of those collaborators who are now in the territory of the russian federation, and can the murder of kiva be considered the beginning of a great hunt for traitors

of ukraine in russia? can i have a question? please, is there an official statement from the security service that it has taken responsibility for this act of retaliation? no, just what am i leading to? security service of ukraine, here i am, i am a lawyer, i don’t know, i once received a red diploma, held some position in the security service, i want to say that the security service does not have the right under our legislation to carry out any actions outside the legally recognized borders of ukraine, so i would still say more correctly that this is karma, and i spoke about it today on the air of one of the radio channels, i said that ... learn to speak logically , you understand, the ukrainian special services are fighting on their territory, and what is happening on the territory of the enemy, well, this is a boomerang and karma, who

has served there, then that is the case, and now the answer to your question, i want to say , that yes, they are not very comfortable now, it was necessary to see by their faces, by what they say, and above all, that they cannot ensure the safety of these people. they were tempted by money, i don’t know, positions , prospects of some, i don’t know , incredible takeoffs, and now these people are simply in a panic, and others, including themselves, the enemy himself, the propagandists themselves, they are in shock, they don’t know how to react, because on the territory of russia in closed towns, something is happening and... and the russian federation does not have the opportunity, or does not want to protect these people from, once again i emphasize, from some kind of karma. well

, by the way, about the fact that... that russia should protect people like kyiv and not only kyiv, said oleg tsarev, another traitor and putin's sycophant, let's listen, i'm watching, сейчас многой выставливать посты, прочкаяют руссофобские statements, kievy, like, since he was like that, then in general, i don't feel sorry for him, but it's not about kiev. the fact is that no matter what he was, many were not happy with the fact that russia accepted him, when he was accepted into the ranks of the soviet union, based on his past, but already if accepted, then russia is responsible for his safety, don't write about how we don't really feel sorry for him, that's why it's okay, no, it shouldn't be like that, but what about people like

tsar kev in russia? well, if not hundreds, then thousands for sure, and one way or another we, we , i mean ukraine, will obviously strive to ensure that every collaborator and every traitor gets his due, whether it will be done by the sbu, or a group or another some structure is ukrainian, it is absolutely obvious, according to you... mr. general, it is clear with russia, they are sitting there and now everyone is thinking about when one or another man in black will follow them. many associates of kiev and tsarev remain in the ukrainian government, including in the verkhovna rada, in local self-government bodies from the same party, the opposition platform for life, why do you think they don't

find it? assessments by the special services and why are they still in the ukrainian government? well, it is a very difficult question, because it is necessary to understand that we adopted some such, well, why did i mention legality on the basis of the security service, because, well, let's be clear, we are an authoritarian a state that carries out some kind of actions, well, forceful actions of retaliation there, i don’t know, according to... with a model, as the soviet union, the russian empire, russia once did, that is, without a trial and investigation, or we carry it out within the framework of our legislation, here the situation is very difficult, because psychologically we understand that we have an enemy in front of us, the enemy must be destroyed, and there are no sentiments, but you know, when we communicate with our western

partners, they say: everything is great, but you follow the same paths as yours, your enemies in russia, so i emphasize once again that this it is necessary to weigh very carefully, if we want to get rid of collaborators in power, we need to prove to the whole world that they are collaborators, to do all this through the public. some kind of publicity, it is possible to file complaints with the relevant authorities, seek some kind of court decisions, etc., so that these people sit, and our situation is very critical in the sense that when we start working, including the public, these people make it in a day before they are to be detained, leave in an unknown direction, this, this, this is disturbing, so are we on the same side, on the same side with

power? do you want to believe that? yes, but by the way, regarding the authorities, because i saw a post on facebook by an adviser to the office of the president of ukraine viktoria strahova, she said that the sbu should now deal with arestovych, because arestovych, it is not known what he is doing and it is not known whose project, according to aristovych, here to mr. oleksandr. oleksandr valentynovych understood that this dog, and a scout, and a pilot, ready to comment on the f-16, and a psychologist, and this, and that, and that, is close to you, but one day, when we met our mutual acquaintance from the second floor, she had already become harm and to the acquaintance and most importantly to the president of ukraine zelensky, this is already a job for counterintelligence, right? to be honest, i don't know oleksandr poklad, and no, i don't understand who she is addressing, but the fact that the advisor to the president's office...