good evening, we are from ukraine! glory to ukraine, this is the verdict program, my name is serhiy rudenko, i congratulate everyone and wish everyone good health. for the next two hours we will talk about ukraine, the world, war, peace and our victory. today in the program. missile terror - the consequences of the morning shelling of ukraine, will the intensity of enemy attacks increase in the future? biden's ultimatum, under what conditions the us congress will approve funding for ukraine and what our government will do if the measure does not help. no one stopped the counterattack can change on the front in winter and what are the scenarios for the development of the war in 2024.

we will talk about this and other things for the next hour with our experts, guests, military expert valentyn badrak, diplomat oleksandr khara and general serhiy kryvonos. in the second part of our programme, which will start after the bbc news release. we will have the best journalists of ukraine: olga len, maryna danilyuk yarmaleva and oleksiy mustafin. however, before starting our big conversation, i suggest you take a look. video of the consequences of the missile strike in kharkiv by the russian occupiers, the enemy attacked the city with six s-300 missiles, three houses and a transformer substation were damaged in the center of kharkiv, more than two dozen private cars were also damaged due to explosions, and hits were recorded in kholodnohirskyi and shevchenkivskyi districts of kharkiv city. let's see.

i woke up from the fact that something so terrible had happened, because i did not understand, i did not hear anything , and a man turned to me and said, why are you shouting so much, because i was barking at the dog, but i did not understand something well, and i did not even feel, that all everything was thrown into the window, well, something like that was terrible.

guys, please like this video, subscribe to our pages on these platforms and participate in our vote. today we ask you the following question: will putin become the next president of russia? today, putin announced that he will run for president of russia. why do we ask yes or no questions like that? well, unfortunately, it is impossible to put more options if he lives. i think you can add what you think about the next one in the comments on youtube ballot. putin, in telephone mode you

can vote either yes or no, whether he will become or not, if you think he will become the next president of russia 0800-211381, no - 0800-211-382. all calls to these numbers are free, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote. we are in touch with a military expert, director of the army conversion and disarmament research center valentyn badrak. mr. valentin, i congratulate you and thank you. let 's start with today's massive russian missile attack on ukraine federation. the air force command reported that the enemy had launched tu-95 ms strategic bombers into the air. x101, x555, and x-55 missiles flew from the caspian direction. in total, 19 of them were launched. the russians launched the first group of missiles

in the kharkiv region and dnipropetrovsk region, there were strikes also in kyiv, but they were shot down in the kyiv region, but taking into account the fact that russia... has restored its stock of cruise missiles, and we see that it is starting to use cruise missiles again, which and when should we expect from the russians, well, during this period heavy, winter, when it is clear that the main goal for them is infrastructure, and tpp, and hps and other generating companies. well, first of all, i would like to draw attention to the fact that we are ourselves. transferred to russia a batch of tu-95 ms and tu-160, if i am not mistaken, then it was a debt of only 275 million, our debt then amounted

to this, and this is what we paid for, and now they use these planes, it was 20 years ago, let's clarify that not yesterday and not the day before yesterday, yes, of course, it was more than 20 years ago, it was 23 years ago, well, but the fact the fact remains, our frivolity worked, and now we are faced with such challenges. well, as for russia stockpiling and rebuilding its missiles, it's not surprising, because in reality, in reality, the technological deterrence of russia has failed the world since ... sanctions are practically not working, and the russian economy is not falling, did not fall and did not will probably fall for a very long time, because its oil is sold, even more so, russia is breaking records, and even in the chinese market

it took first place, pushing the saudi arabia, that's why putin had to fly there to the arab emirates to saudi... arabia and tell that he doesn't lie when he works with opec, and that he's some kind of honest player there, although, well, in the middle east, he is very seriously suspected and issued a warning that regarding, strictly speaking , oil production, which everyone has reduced, but russia does not, it seems that it has not reduced, and maybe even increased, well, this is the case: russia's economy is not falling, technology is not holding back , and therefore there is an accumulation of such weapons, including rockets well, what to do, well, it is clear to us what to do, to us, what is possible within the limits of the art

of the possible, yes, brothers, anti-aircraft missile defense system, and try in conditions of shortage. supply of weapons of military equipment still, well , destroy them as much as possible, among the positive things there are also news, well, for example, all 14 vampire such very modern american systems will be and they were developed by technologies very powerfully. a company that, by the way, provided us with a lot of military things for free communication, and now such systems have been developed for us, they will all be supplied, but they will mainly work against drones, against shaheds, they have even been

called a chess fighter, there is another positive news that is directly related to anti-missile defense , literally the other day, we literally received this... information on armed forces day on the seventh, or rather, well, the next day, after armed forces day, we received it, and on the sixth, the signing took place on armed forces day, and we received information already on the seventh , about what ukraine will be use western missiles for soviet s3 systems. and buk and such a project as joint, as joint production, launched within the framework of military-technical cooperation with the united states, and it is not excluded that it will become one of the first projects within the framework of new

security guarantees that are currently being discussed, including with the united states, and with france, with the big seven, and in principle it is directly related to ours. capabilities in the field of anti-aircraft anti-missile defense, because before that we had a huge deficit missiles, they were just used... in the second, 23rd year, missiles are available for the buk and for the s300, and now there will be missiles of western production, which they have a lot in the west, that is, we will be able to get it and use it for defense our cities from attacks from the sky. that is , i understand correctly, mr. valentin, that soviet installations, former soviet installations. will launch the latest missiles and defend cities, i.e. is it air defense, is it

some other missiles that can fly, and not just shoot down foreign missiles, yes, this is the project frankensem, the first project of bilateral military-technical cooperation, there is another one concluded there, and when two american companies will help us produce in the framework of joint production. on the territory of ukraine, 150, 155mm ammunition is also a very important project, but what is most important here, first, of course , what you mentioned is the protection of our sky, but secondly, it can become, so to speak, the first step in the development of huge joint projects, and if we reach the possibility of concluding an agreement... with the united states states based on the principle of israel's security model, we expect that there will be

specific financial resources and specific joint developments. we know that the most advanced developments are conducted by israel with the united states, for example, the aarrow anti-missile defense system, the third version, and we know that the united states has invested in this israeli development. funds, well, up to about 50% of the entire development, there are billions of dollars, and we know that ukraine is currently developing its own anti-aircraft missile systems, including, the deputy minister of defense of ukraine mentioned that it is about an air defense system with a range of 100 km, if so, then we can at the expense of joint products. obtaining technologies is very important to advance in

reality and for example its missiles, and now i want to emphasize that the ukrainian missile, missile program also involves the creation of a cruise missile with a target, an above-ground target, yes , that is, the neptune missile complex, a coastal missile complex, where it had targets ships, i.e. surface targets for... is now being reoriented, modernized underground, to defeat ground targets, and will probably be increased its range is significant, let me remind you that neptune had a range of 280 km, now it can be increased to 500, further ukraine is actively developing, it is also creating a ballistic missile, and the range can be these , it is quite possible that the range can be increased to 1000 km. we need certain technologies to speed up these developments both for anti-missile

air defense and for missile programs, because, well, i want to remind you that since november, ukraine has also slightly improved its tactics of waging war, and not only if they previously attacked inside russia attacked, let's say there are separate planes. airfields, some small objects that could be hit, well, let's say, we remember that a tu-22m3 long-range bomber was killed by a small drone measuring a meter in length, yes, that is, such things, if now the ukrainian forces defense forces are attacking the enterprises of the defense industry in... the enemy, and in this way it is possible to seriously reduce

the defense potential of this muscovy. about 100, well, a little more than 100 km from moscow is already east, more east, and this is a very ... demonstrative case, and there have already been many such cases, and such enterprises that are involved in the production of missiles, including ... .. this is something new in ukrainian tactics and something that can be a turning point in the entire era of defeats, so to speak, because it is now becoming the most important, the most important factor in the conduct of war,

high-precision defeat, above all, of all military facilities on... the temporarily occupied crimean peninsula, and the main one the goal is to isolate the peninsula from a logistical point of view, so that the bridge is also hit, and those ships that are capable of transporting either personnel or some cargo that are needed for waging war are hit, and then the occupation forces are completely shot... forces that, well, are trying to keep this peninsula in their, their, so to speak, captivity. mr. valentin, you mentioned cooperation and the fact that we are waiting for technology, well, i understand that from the americans, now in the congress of the united states of america, on the desks of congressmen here is the draft of the new budget

, where 61 billion dollars have been allocated for ukraine, well, actually, not for ukraine itself, of course, because here... anthony blinken, the secretary of state of the united states of america, addressed the americans and explained, in fact, what kind of money we are talking about, because the republicans they are constantly speculating on this. let's listen to blinken. a few more words, mostly for the american audience. if you look at the capital investments we made for the defense of ukraine, it becomes clear that 90% of the military aid we provided was actually spent. here in the us with ours manufacturers, and this has led to more american jobs and growth in our economy. mr. valentin , it is clear that the american economy and military machine produces what we then use on the russian-ukrainian front, but i wanted to ask you in the context of this, are you a supporter of the further

militarization of ukraine, or after all, the search for new allies? in the creation or updating of the existing security system in the world, well, that is , either we are full of weapons and lead the ratings in terms of militarization, or after all, we have to follow the path when we choose this umbrella, where under this umbrella we will also provide security to other countries, but we will also be protected, well, whether under the umbrella of nato, or let's say under the bilateral partnership. with great britain, the united states of america, germany. we would be happy to choose an umbrella and we longed for and wanted it and we constantly talk about it, i am talking about full membership in nato, of course. but we are realists, we understand that it is impossible now, during this great war, when we have part of the territories are occupied, in russia

they openly say that as long as there are occupied territories, ukraine cannot count on membership in nato, although... even on your channel there was an idea from mr. portnikov that it is necessary to urgently raise the issue about the accession to nato of those territories that are unassailable, rather unoccupied, well, i don't want to comment here, it's just like one of the opinions, but there is another idea, these are security guarantees that will make the country so strong that the enemy will not dare to attack, and here it is assumed technological advantage and the ability to deliver asymmetric blows. yes, i am in favor of further militarization, especially since this further militarization can bring ukraine the creation of a powerful economy, because we know that,

well, take countries like south korea. due to militarization, huge militarization, almost complete, yes, south korea is now entering, i think, somewhere maybe fourth or third in the world arms market, more than 17 billion dollars of orders for south korean weapons in the world, south korea is now selling more than russia, in the last most productive years on the... world market, russia sold 15-20 billion dollars worth of arms, but we see that this is very seriously related to the economy, very seriously, technological. it will allow both to deter the enemy and to be ahead, and we know that these are dual-use technologies,

the same technologies are used to spray, let's say, the blades of a fighter jet, and to carry out the same actions in relation to civilian objects, and these are material input technologies, and what is possible to say about... about, let's say, such promising projects where ukraine can strengthen itself very seriously, this is possible briefly, mr. valentin, literally in a minute, yes, the titanium industry, production, this is zirconium, lithium, this is what can be done with the united states, the western partners, and so it's very important now to get security guarantees where we can get advanced technology and strengthen... ourselves tremendously to the point where we can deliver very powerful, asymmetric damage, in my view , in my understanding, it is

at least a few thousand missiles, when hundreds of ukrainian missiles can go in the direction of russia in response to russian missile fire, they will not defend themselves, they do not have that many and all the factories of the enterprise are scattered in them and so on, thank you, thank you, mr. valentin, it was valentin badrak, a military expert and... we continue our broadcast, we work live on the tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. for those who are currently watching us live on youtube and facebook, please like this video, don't be stingy, so that this the video was trending on youtube, well , take part in our vote, today we ask you about whether putin will become the next president of the russian federation, yes, no, everything is quite simple on youtube, if you want to say about putin. or you want to wish him something, write in the comments under this video, because actually, well, it’s kind of a rhetorical question, will he become the next president of ukraine, but considering his age

and health, well, not a fact, if you watch russia , forgive me if you watch us live in na tv channels, you can vote by phone 0800 211 381, 0800 211. 382 no, will putin become the next president of russia? so, all calls are free for you, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote. and we are in touch with diplomat oleksandr khara, an expert on foreign and security policy at the center for defense strategies. mr. oleksandr, i congratulate you, thank you for joining our broadcast. good evening, mr. sergey, pleasure. so, today president putin announced for the fifth time that he will... to run for president of russia, and he did it very funny, because he had a meeting there with the so-called veterans of the so-called svo, and

the so-called head of the so-called people's council of the so-called dnr artem zhoga approached him on behalf of the occupied donbass. let's take a look at this funny video, because it was simply played out as if by notes. i appointed the election of the president of the russian federation and... i , on behalf of all our people, all of donbas, our united lands, would like to ask you to take part in these elections, because что работы очень много, thanks to your actions, your decision, we got freedom, the right to choose, and we want to take part in the elections of the president of the russian federation, and you are our president, there are очень много, we still need integration, to undergo integration, social connection, that's all other economic formats and purely ordinary human peaceful life, and under your leadership, we would like to do all this, you are our president, we are your team,

we need you, you are needed by russia, thank you very much, i will not hide at different times, i had разные мысли, не сейчас вы правы, сейчас такое время, когда не удобный просмотров, i will run for the post of president, so unexpectedly. but squads of women, admirers of putin are already celebrating, also very briefly, let's see, we don't need it, the president, it's putin himself, they've been waiting, waiting, waiting for such an event. chora is just a country. it is clear that under

the conditions of totalitarianism, the swamping system, or putin's announcement of swamping in the presidency, looks like a farce. but in this situation it is very important that the representative of the occupied in donbass and other occupied regions, they say that they want putin to be the president. with this in mind, if the presidential elections are held in these territories, can the world ask the question of legi'. the number of powers of president putin, if there will be elections on lands belonging to the ukrainian state? well, you are absolutely right, of course, that i hope that the ukrainian parliament and the ukrainian government will clearly decide that it will not recognize these next illegitimate elections, well, in general, in the russian federation, probably the only elections that were more or less legitimate and democratic, these are

yeltsin's first elections. and then everyone remembers very well how she was appointed to putin's acting duties, and then by a special operation, he was delayed for 20-something years, and of course, that it would be right for our european and american partners not to recognize this person, to consider , that she does not represent the majority of the people, although by and large, you know, i looked before the broadcast of the livada center polling center public opinion, of course. that we can only say with some hindsight that this may somehow reflect what is happening in russia, so things are going in the right direction in the country, 87%, 21 believe that things are going in the wrong direction, 85 are rooting for putin, putin's activities, only 13% do not approve of it, also an interesting study was conducted by the carnegie

center in november of this year. that 22% of russians are in favor of continuing the war without ending it until the victorious end, as they call it, and 53%, that is, actually more than half, who mostly for the war, but in principle , if there is a diplomatic solution, they will also agree to it, so we see a sick country that, even without a lot of propaganda , will definitely vote for this monster before the election day, but... in any case - in any case, whether they are killed, or they are sitting, or they are expelled from the russian federation are real, let's say , alternatives, no matter how skeptical we are about these people, this is the first point, the second point, of course, that in a state in which there is no freedom words, the rule of law, of course, which cannot be by definition more or less democratic and free elections cannot be held, and

most importantly, you know... how at one time hitler was recognized there, other whims of other tyrants were recognized there, and then in the end all this led to a great tragedy, and in fact, as we looked at the time and in 2014 did not draw proper conclusions and then continued business as usual with this person, the russian federation in general, then we have and that means february 24, 22, as well as other manifestations of russian aggression, so of course ukraine has call. community, no to recognize these elections, and of course that then it would mean that there is no one to talk to until there is a change of power there, it is impossible to talk about diplomacy with the russian federation, do you see, mr. oleksandr, the factors that can prevent putin from becoming the next president of russia, and of course, you can talk there about age, about health, about the fact that a sudden death can prevent him

from living in the swamp, and that's it. there would be a way out, because we remember that in the 12th year the term of the presidency was already increased from four to six years, that is, he is trying to extend all these terms, although he is already running for the fifth term, are there any such factors that indicate that he might not be elected president of russia? well i think it's just an impossible scenario, you know kiki corasau has a very good movie. when one of these people died and in order not to be attacked by other more aggressive neighbors, they took a person who is very similar to him and he played this role there, there the beautiful tashira mifuni plays the main role, if putin is still alive, but there were rumors about the fact that he has already died, then in in principle he can...