the studio is traditional on fridays, wait for us, we will return to the studio, will ukrainian schoolchildren have a chance for quality education despite the war and thousands of damaged schools, i am jeferumerov on bbc ukraine, for us russians. these are enemies. russia's full-scale war against ukraine completely changed the lives of ukrainian schoolchildren. ruined schools , insufficient number of shelters and constant threat of shelling. how can ukrainian children get a proper education despite the war? since the beginning of the full-scale war, russia has destroyed thousands of schools and schoolchildren,

who remained in ukraine had to study either remotely or mostly in shelters, but not all ukrainian schools were ready for this, and according to the experts of the kyiv school of economics, as of the beginning of september this year, the field of education is one of the most affected. damages from russian bombings and shelling amounted to more than 10 billion dollars. compared to june, the amount of damage increased by more than 400 million. russia destroyed or damaged educational institutions in almost all regions of ukraine. the frontline regions and kyiv region were the most affected region. in total , more than 1,700 schools were destroyed or damaged by shelling. more than 1,000 institutions of preschool education and almost 600 institutions of higher education. therefore, a whole generation of ukrainian children does not know what it is like to go to school every day. first pandemic restrictions,

then full-scale war. at least 180 ukrainian schools have now been completely destroyed, and a quarter of the surviving schools still do not have shelters. rebuilding a destroyed school means a lot of money and a lot of effort, and there are also risks. but there are those who do. next is the story of the borodyan school, about how one country, russia destroyed it, and the other - lithuania, performed almost a miracle and restored it. rebuilt from the ruins of a fire, a european-style, modern and snow-white new school in borodyanka, but its students will remember their school as completely different. these girls and boys met their graduation in a dilapidated city, in a burned-out and broken school, and learned one of their first adult lessons. my generation already knows who is an enemy and who is a friend for us russians.

these are enemies in june 2022. borodyansk school number one looked like this: no one did you imagine when the children would be able to return there? if some person who is not ready for this sees this, of course they will be shocked, but for us this is an ordinary picture, unfortunately, so specifically in our class there are many historical portraits, since this is a history class, and the orchestra... by portraits , they took out everything, they broke the desks there, the villagers. these portraits are silent witnesses of what happened in berodyansk school while it was occupied by russian troops in march 2022 . then her students hid in basements and fled the city under fire, but on their own graduation, for the first time since the beginning of the war, they gathered together in their destroyed classroom, and vowed to celebrate. graduation

once again, for real, in a revived school and in a rebuilt native village. the certificate of completion of general secondary education is awarded to volodymyr ivanovych grabovenko, the president of our school, the leader of our student self-government. red viburnum, bent down. but our glorious ukraine collapsed a year and a half later, we returned to this school together with its graduate volodymyr grapovenk. all this time, the lithuanian government was rebuilding it at its own expense. does the boy recognize his native school? do you recognize your school? i don't know at all. it's like a completely different place. i could not think that it is really possible

to rebuild even such difficult times, here is the school, let's go in search of the old class. at first i thought that it would be very easy to find a classroom, but now when you come here, you realize that this room was not there, there was no corridor, and now we will look for a classroom, well , really search, find it, but it is not possible immediately, that didn't happen either, there seemed to be more classes, this is my class. i'm not really sure it's him, but i think it might be him. lithuanian government officials and managers united hundreds of people to rebuild this school practically from scratch. the project of its reconstruction cost almost 8 million euros. lithuania provided most of the funds. bureaucracy and

disputes were managed. lithuanian project leader artures zernovskis says: "everyone is united by the main goal. children should go to school today." although the war is still going on, for him personally, it's like career. this shelter is designed for 700 children. it is not only about physical safety, but also psychological. it is important for parents to understand that when their child goes to this school, he is protected, everything will be fine with him. arturas shows vova the newly built shelter at the school. this is the place for the school rooms in the shelter in case something happens. they will be here. here 's another idea: vova, maybe we should organize another prom for your graduating class of 2022, just to gather you all here in the shelter. the war continues

there is no complete security anywhere in ukraine. are they afraid in lithuania that another russian shelling could damage the rebuilt school. declared that they would support ukraine until its victory, and not just as long as needed. if something happens to this school again, we will rebuild it again, and again, and again. it is planned that the children will study here already next year. first, covid and learning from home, then the war, and instead of lessons - sitting in bomb shelters. in ukraine, they say that a whole generation of children is growing up, who are like that and... they couldn't really go to school, for example, the youngest studied in this class before the war, when the school was occupied by the russian military, they left offensive slogans about ukraine on the walls of their class.

now these are new walls, and this is the hope for the children who studied here to have a real education. not only international donors, but also charitable organizations are engaged in the construction of ukrainian schools. the co-founder of one of them is the ex-minister of education of ukraine hanna novosad. my colleague diana kuryshko asked the benefactor whether ukrainian children have a chance for quality education. reconstruction of destroyed ukrainian schools is very expensive and takes a long time. and neither in the state budget, nor in the local budgets, there is no money for it now. there is international aid, but it is not... it is not enough, that is what we talked about in the interview with the ex-head of the ministry of environment, hanna navosad, we talked about the fact that, unfortunately, there is a lack of flexible and quick solutions in ukraine now such a large-scale problem, because in the front-line regions there are thousands of

children who need education, but who have nothing, because almost all of them have been destroyed there schools, and therefore there is a need to build educational pro... in shelters, there is a need to build modular, temporary schools where it is impossible to completely, fully rebuild a school, and it depends on very, very many factors, on being proactive communities, from community leaders to school directors and heads of education departments, communities should speak about themselves so that in education they know not only about bucha, about irpin, where schools are currently being rebuilt, but about the fact that this aid reaches the most remote villages. and mykolaiv region. anna novosat emphasized that such shelters are being built, but all this is very, very, very insufficient, because thousands of children remain in voznesensk, mykolaiv oblast, pervomaisk, kharkiv oblast, chernihiv oblast, these cities and villages are shelled

almost every day, there artillery flies, but people live there, and there is actually a need to build such small educational spaces, fortified, in shelters, where children could gather. at least sometimes learn to play and see each other, see your teachers, not only online, as it was all previous years, but and offline. so, how do you choose what to rebuild and what? no, which school to help and in general, should everything be restored now, when russian shelling can destroy it once again? there are many destroyed schools, only four regions, it seems that there are places where no flights have reached the schools at all, and how is this selection process going, where to rebuild something, a shelter, an access center for education, a school, and where not, in fact now every region of ukraine, who suffered physically directly and continues to suffer from the war, has... its own context, as well as its own the possibilities of how something can

be restored there, it is impossible to compare what can be done now in kyiv region with what and how it can be done, for example, in liberated communities in kharkiv region, which are still quite often shelled, are not safe , there from there, well, many people left, and therefore what can be done in one region. it is not possible to do anything else yet, so we, as a foundation , for example, you know, we work very objectively in the fields, in communities that have been de-occupied, that have been beaten, we go there physically, we look, i personally a lot, the whole team, we go to these liberated villages and towns, and on the spot we already decide, talking with the community, with teachers, with the heads of institutions, what and how we can help. international aid is now for us a key source of restoring access to education and not only restoring schools from scratch, lithuania did in borodyanka, they also restored an educational institution in buch, but also in general restoring this

access to education in a different way: setting up shelters, setting up temporary schools, setting up modular schools, providing institutions with what the russians stole, because everywhere during the pre-occupation they steal gadgets and any kind of equipment from children, from families , therefore, from our experience, in the saad charity fund, international funds make up somewhere around 70%, if so... in the perspective of rebuilding ukrainian schools, which were destroyed in these two years, how long it may last , how much it may cost, i do not want to say so, because it is very cynical, but even before the war, the network of general secondary education institutions no longer corresponded to our demographics, did not correspond to our financial capabilities, and that the main thing it greatly harmed the quality of education, because when you have a school somewhere in chernihiv region, where the population density was very low before the war, and i was in the school where i was in the 11th grade. now, when they can destroy it again, today we finally

got 300 m2 of windows, which lithuania gave to the snihorivska school, in a snowplow with battles across the polish border. were critical, and i ask them, listen, the situation can be the same as with the snow plow he can fly somewhere again, she says: no problem, we will bring him again, you know, and this is a matter of choice. it is we who value some physical, physical, some matter, or children's opportunities to learn, or their opportunities to have access to at least some offline activities for a while, and again, we should not now talk about some cosmic, innovative reconstructions , where we are building the lyceum of the future, let's talk about some simpler solutions, modular solutions, you understand, this is a question of elections, this is a question of supporting here and now our opportunities for... interview with hanna novosad, watch it on our youtube channel, the conversation is long and interesting bbc

news ukraine watch, comment and subscribe if you haven't done it yet, and that's all for today, take care, have a nice weekend. greetings, friends, live on the espresso tv channel, verdykt program, my name is serhii ordenko, we continue our program, and today we traditionally have a journalist club, today in the program. moscow will flood the river with blood, the liquidation of kyiv, who can become the next target? zelenskyi and the elections will the president go for a second term and why is

the first lady against it? summons from tsc in the gym. mobilization in ukraine, how to fairly replenish the army? we don't know if president zelensky will run for a second term, but we know that vladimir putin will run for president of russia in the fifth, so we're actually asking you. it seems like a rhetorical question, dear viewers, but we are asking if putin will become the next president of russia, well, suddenly something will happen and he will not, everything is quite simple on youtube: yes, no, or your option, please write to. in the comments, on tv you can take, if you watch us on tv, you can pick up the phone and vote, if you think and believe that putin will be the next president of russia, click on 0800 211 381, no, 0800 211 382. today

, the best ukrainian journalists are visiting the verdict. olga len, author and presenter of the chronicles of information war program on the espresso tv channel. i congratulate you, olga. good evening. maryna danylyuk yarmalayeva, author and host of youtube channels cernet and showbiz. marina, me i congratulate you and i am glad to see you. and i'm glad to see you, greetings to all our viewers. thank you, and oleksiy mustafin, journalist, tv producer, publicist and author of many books. mr. oleksiy, i congratulate you and thank you for joining our broadcast. thank you, thank you for the compliment, about the best journalists. well , and, well, since we're talking and... asking our tv viewers whether putin will be the next president of russia, it seems like such a trite question and an obvious answer, and yet i'm going to ask you, ladies and gentlemen, what you think with about this, because it's hardly news for ukraine and it's hardly news for russia that putin is running for president, but grandpa is running for president on the fifth, god knows,

maybe by the time the elections are held, he won't have there will be such an opportunity. every time in the soviet union there were elections to the verkhovna rada of the soviet union, if there was no choice at all and those who were appointed were always chosen. russians, well, that, that russian propaganda and in general, the russian system seems to sell to its population, this, and this, by the way, putin said, when they there, recently... about this , about the elections, something was gathered there, he said that this method of legitimizing the government, the main thing in the russian elections, is that they legitimize the government, well, of course, well, how to say, it is manipulation, it is obvious that it is completely manipulated, because it is not legitimization of the authorities, because they cannot,

well, the absence of elections as such, and they are the absence of elections. that is, there is an absolutely unambiguous story, it cannot be in any way legitimized, it is just some very expensive way to conduct a survey of citizens regarding some such , you know, well, the question is probably whether you are ready to live in this system, well, something like that, it’s true, mr. oleksiy, i wanted to ask you as a person who... is a historian and knows history, probably better than anyone, from those present, at least in this studio not without unnecessary compliments, but you are a historian by profession, so i will ask you as a historian, the fact that putin is already running for president for the fifth time, and

it is obvious , can we hope that this swamping will be the last, considering some history'. parallels to what happened in soviet russia, or rather in the soviet union, and whether or not putin is breaking all records, and he will still be there in the sixth or seventh, especially since these terms have been extended from four to six years old in the 12th year, well, usually such such people, such characters do not end by losing the election, i think that if or. resku a few days before his shooting would have participated in the elections, and there were elections there, he would also have been elected there with some crazy percentage of votes, but that's how it usually happens it is unexpected for such characters that they are deprived of power without any elections, so i think that in principle it does not matter, he will

be bogged down, he will not be, they will record his victory, they will not record it, it does not make any sense. thank you, maryna, please tell me, well, you must have seen this video, where the representatives of donbas are asking putin to go to the swamp, and about the fact that we will vote for you, vladimir vladimirovich, please, i thought about what about the legitimacy of these elections and the legitimacy of putin, if he will bog down these too elections will be held in the occupied part of donbas and occupied parts. zaporizhzhia regions and in the annexed crimea, isn't this a reason to once again raise the question of his legitimacy at the international level, because the fact that we will not... putin, well, it's absolutely obvious, but considering that he already during the war it has grown into new territories, i hope that it will not be for a long time

, is this not a reason to say to the world that, well, the president, putin is not a president, we simply do not recognize him, well, first of all, look, i wouldn't even say that they choose a president, they choose a tsar, and vladimir putin will be the role of this tsar. secondly, you said, will this be an excuse for the world to say that some of their elections there are illegitimate? first of all, the russian federation has long been indifferent to what the world will say about their elections, because these elections have long been of a purely decorative nature, and about the participation of those territories that are currently under occupation, i will remind you that shortly before the full-scale invasion, i was on territory the so-called referendum of the russian federation when they introduced those changes. the constitution of the russian federation, which allowed putin to run for a fifth , sixth, and seventh term as often as he wanted. so, remember how many

videos there were from the occupied territories of donbas, where our former fellow citizens, who obviously have ukrainian passports for domestic use and foreign ones, happily traveled in buses to the territory of rostov oblast and voted just like that. for these changes, therefore, you know, idiots, unfortunately, always there is enough, and i think there will be no shortage of those people, collaborators in the occupied territories, those who were there before 2014 and those who , as you say, increased with putin’s cut from 2022, where there will be a certain percentage of such voters, well and regarding this request from the so-called representatives of the dpr, it is very important to say who asked for it, so the answer is: a so-called spokesman of the fake parliament of the dpr, artem dzhoga, addressed putin with a corresponding request. and you don't think that this surname is very, very familiar

to us. the fact is that there was such a fighter, his name was volodymyr artemovich zhoga, nicknamed vokha. and this comrade was the star of sparta, after arseniy pavlov, the original leader of sparta, was tortured. and here is this vokha ondzhe joga, he died on march 5, 2022, when the ukrainian troops tried to suppress these separatists, collaborators and racists, and instead of him , many things are now done by his father, so it is no coincidence that this comrade appeared with such a request, this is such a symbolic gesture that we are protecting the people of donbass, and look. the people of danbas are asking putin to run for office for the position of president. thank you, thank you, marina. let's start from the purely russian topic, because

putin is a purely russian topic, and it is clear that everyone is not thinking about whether he will be the next president or not, but thinking that he should go to kabzon as soon as possible, well, like kiva this week it went something like this, because... on december 6, in the suburbs of moscow, kyiv , a former people's deputy of ukraine and a former associate of medvedchuk, was shot dead. russian propagandists are quite active in commenting on kyiv's death. let's see a fragment of what propagandists say about kiva and how are they talking? i honestly don't agree with these cries about the fact that the earth is glassy to him, well, because this is a man, because that's all. it happened on the territory of our country, there you can treat his political views in different ways, they were suspicious, to put it mildly, they are shouting now

to be happy about something, i honestly don't see any possibility and i don't think it's right, me, to be honest , the various comments related to what kiva was quite annoying, it does not play any role at all roles it is important that this is not the first terrorist attack carried out by the ukrainian special services on the territory of our country, this is obtained by the interesting logic of some people, including my friends, who draw attention to the fact that in the telegram they draw attention to the fact that, well, such a person nods whatever he was, he was on the territory of our country, murderous and... well, i'll be honest, i have no reason to grieve, in this case it's still more important to me not who was killed, but where they were killed,

killed, our prospects? here in ukraine in general, in a broad sense, it depends on our attitude towards such people as ilya kiva. thank you, and i knew it would be like this. well, he knew it would be like that. ulyu, you track all this trash and these are the fragments that you selected and selected. and what do they say at all about kivu and people like them, because this. the traitors of ukraine, who are now working for the russian propaganda machine, which is very actively using this public, such as sasha chalenka, who is known to most of the journalists, has already started hysteria that they need protection, because we all they are shooting right here in moscow, it is good that they are reacting like this, but how does this whole propaganda machine react in general, well, there was also a very beautiful comment that was written by...

margarita simonyan, that, well, in principle, kiva is such a stranger among his own people, but but among us he never became one, well, it is also called sympathizing, well, in fact, there is a very interesting attitude there, because here i am, well , in general, these comments that i have selected, they are interesting because of what they are, you know, value in russia. propaganda, as solovyov had to directly explain and say something that it is not necessary to act like that, despite the fact that just recently, that's exactly how solovyov shouted on the air, who is mantyan, this is another such figure who is also, well, a traitor, who went and there now faith and truth serve, and he shouted that she should be exposed, she probably works for the sbu, she should be kicked out of russia, because she does not work for... as

it should be, well, and they are actually looking for her all the time there, among all these traitors, these extremes, well, what did they do wrong, what did they say wrong, where are they not enough some loyal subjects wrote articles or posts, that is, in fact, there is a very, very, very critical attitude towards them, that's what the whole thing is, and this situation with kiva is an indicator, because kiva is not just, you know, a person who is there ran over at the last minute, this is literally a person who was an agent who worked exactly as, you know, well, such an agent of deep penetration, who was not just engaged in there, well, i don’t know, there with posts somewhere in social networks, no, he undermined ukraine precisely on level very deep on what he was deeply integrated into the ukrainian government

, he... did it indirectly, he did it for quite a long time, covertly, he actually openly sided with russia when he decided that it was already safe, that it was already a matter of russia finally , as he believed, would openly seize ukraine, and the fact that he fled from the territory of ukraine in general before the invasion, says that , for example, they proved to him what would happen in this invasion, well, on the contrary. for example, from several of his, well, the same people as him, who were in his own party, in the opz faction. you don't forget that he ran away and overturned when he was still a member of the verkhovna rada from the psg. not all deputies did so, some of them simply did not know that there would be an invasion, but kiva knew. this means that trust in him was much greater. they expected something, well, much more from him. he was supposed to be among those people who will seize power in ukraine

after the russians come here. and regardless.