and the chance of rockets arriving there is very small , that's where we met maria for the first time, so you can't get out here with an ordinary car, a shelter is a shelter, it's a shelter from a disaster , it's a shelter from genocide, it's preservation, it's preservation of oneself in order to preserve the future , this is the preservation of others who, together with you, will rebuild this future. we must be strong, i tell myself this every day, and so that we can help. by others, we continue the saturday political club on the spresa tv channel by khrystyna yatskiv and vitaly portnikov. we are in this part let's talk about what is happening in the united states and the problems that ukraine has because of it. immediately, we will surely note that we are innocent here. there is an absolutely specific

political process going on inside this country, and this political struggle leads to certain delays, including the financing of our military aid, whether it is critical or hopeless, we will talk with our next guest, and he is already in touch with us , so valery chaly, diplomat, former extraordinary plenipotentiary ambassador of ukraine to the united states in the period 2015-2019, mr. valery, congratulations. you , i congratulate you, i congratulate you, glory to ukraine, to the heroes, glory, so let’s still try to understand, we will get, let’s make it easier, we will get help from the united states, you know , everything is so dynamic, it’s called knowing less is better, here we go i didn't know much about today, there was no call from the states to tell me the situation. if i was sure, i could

say that yes, by christmas, the probability is very high, now i doubt it, because i will explain why, the situation is constantly changing, now i am with i agree with you, it is unlikely that there will even be advancement at the front, some of our anti-corruption actions are super successful there, it will not affect now, they have started a struggle in what sense, we do not forget, but we do not talk much about the fact that next year there will be not only the presidential elections, and a large part of all these congressmen, congresswomen and a third of the senate will be up for grabs, and they faced the fact that the republicans are very dependent on the support of trump, on the support of this group, in their primaries in the republican party.

well, it’s not only trump, it’s several influential people in the media, the same carlson, other special channels, such right-wing republicans, and if they say now in open text, if i take a position, and now attention, this is a dangerous thing, not just there combination with the border, support of ukraine, well , financing. then my district can be taken away, i can lose the district, this is new , what has appeared recently, those who are behind the scenes of such a position of the republicans, have now divided the party, not even into two, but into three parts, and this is not a very good signal, so i'll tell you honestly, tonight i can't predict when it will be, i have no doubt that it's political. the hold of the usa will not go

anywhere, i have no doubt that they will vote their budget, and there is already money in the military budget of ukraine, well, we are not talking about it now, because it is small from the point of view of this package, it is 300 million , but they open other keys to other areas of financing, i.e. there is paragraph 1224 - it is lendlease, maybe the table will return the option of lendlease. mechanisms that can be applied, even if the congress does not vote by the end of the year, there is, but this will be a bad signal to moscow, krem, because there they can further promote this narrative that america is leaving ukraine, although this is not the case, america will definitely not leave ukraine, more moreover, i am sure, they

will collect 100% for military-technical assistance with their mechanisms... different, they will collect it, or the germans will leave, then they will add, that is, we will not lose military support, but here are some other articles. under great threat, well, and the last, of course, all this now rests on the fact that joseph biden either gave away, well, it's actually about his rating, he gives the issue of illegal immigrants to the republicans, and they have now introduced a lot of bills to make it difficult for children to study illegally, to make it difficult for those who are staying illegally in general to get status in america, this is, of course, very unpopular. things in the democrat environment, if joseph biden passes this, he loses the election and the democrat congressmen lose, but the positive thing is that it seems to me that already the administration of joseph biden, so-called, has taken sides the election campaign of this donkey of support

for ukraine, that is, it is already their choice for the election campaign, so let's hope that it will remain so, and they will find levers of influence, well , they will make... compromises in order to preserve the package, well, we must say already a few words, probably about the ratings that are slowly coming in now, if i'm not mistaken , the wall street journal has published, support for joseph biden is falling to a record low during his presidency, support for donald trump as the presumptive republican nominee is at a fairly high level, and it it is already an established fact that if the democrats, then exclusively... biden, by the way, he said that he might not have gone for a second term if trump had not run, and there was such certainty, and can we be sure , that if the republicans, then they will nominate trump and no one else, well, first of all, these sociological

studies should be looked at in which list, for example, in the fact that you read that the fall of biden there is kennedy, well, kennedy 8%, so what we think kennedy will leave. he is a very extravagant candidate, he is not the one kennedy, who we know historically, is a descendant of sima kennedy, but he is very populist, very similar to trump in terms of populism, so i don't think he will look anywhere else at all, and what do you know about four more candidates of the democrats, no one knows them anymore, that's why it 's a kind of sociology in fact, there are problems in that, despite economic successes , americans assess that... economic problems, well, it's very strange that, in fact, the biden administration, if to be honest, it has contained inflation, it is better than europe coming out of the current crisis, they created a huge number of jobs there, trump didn't even think about it, it's objective

, well, that's the way we live now, everyone looks at the picture, everything is absolutely fine, he says, i don't feel well economically, tell me what makes you feel bad, you 'll feel better, right? it has become better, more, prices have increased , but salaries have also increased, when you start asking an american how, how is the whole dynamic, they, they say that everything is fine, here it suddenly comes, how is it so, and why we we give illegals the opportunity of our jobs, and why do we have abortions, so why, well , you understand, this, it’s like ours, everything happens in a very narrow populist spectrum of discussion, everyone does not go beyond a deep discussion, an american is not much different from a ukrainian voter, very few today, even i would say, maybe it will be strange, the ukrainian voter is more like that, well, not that critical, well, critical, yes, by the way, he ukrainian voter is very divided

, either black or near, let’s say, there is no gray , the american is becoming the same now, he also doesn’t have any intermediate moments , either ours or not ours, so it’s too early to talk about ratings, this is, first of all, a network, well, i won’t name the company that does it here, but it’s big stores for repairs, for equipment, home depot, and all americans in this hot, like all americans in amazon, like all americans in the systems there, well

, and then the company, so now it has been supported, it is very interesting, because hot - it means , this is already a part of the middle class, and before that it was... owned by the kochs, so the koch family is this there is a lot of family that can finance niki haley's company together with some others, they don't want too for some reason. absolutely in his rush of thoughts of donald trump, i don't know, no one will tell you, again, who will win in america, but what can we say already today, we can't say who will become president, but already from today's battles we can say, that the senate can be returned to the republicans, and then this whole wave of laws that are not popular among the democrats will simply begin to be huge, even right from january next... year, so there could actually be huge changes in america, even if joseph biden remains president, it's one

thing when you're president and you have one house, and it's another thing when you're president and you have two republican houses, well opponents , that is, the split of the republican party, america will be a very turbulent place in the fall of next year, and everything will be very difficult there, so this package is important for us for the year and financially, so that we can guarantee that there will be no more of this mess and so on. .i will say that the situation is not simplified, it is complicated, and well, the white house knows, of course, what it is willing to go to, the question is that they, you know, they are playing this game of who will sit down last, uh, well, that child's game when there are fewer chairs than there are people spinning around, so they play this game until december 15, there is such a probability that... both of them may not get on this chair, it happened, but today, yesterday it did not happen yet

, today it happened, some strange proposals of the democrats have gone, well, that is, the game has started in such a way that it is impossible to predict it at all, but still one of the good things that the americans made it part of their plan after all, is the statement of deputy selevan, the national security adviser, that next year... they will change, i have been talking about this for a long time, finally they will change their approach , this means, i really hope , i can't say, but they have already received missiles to replace atakams, that is, they did not say enough before, we do not have much, now prsm is a prestigen missile, it is 400 km, it is a new type of missiles that they are also loaded with heimers, and the same... machine tool m142 and 270, only 400 km, then in principle they can give us not one hundred hai, well, haimers

by itself, but also, if it will be so, and f-16 planes, then someone over there in america bought all the f18s and 41 pieces of australian hornets , maybe this is all and part of this whole plan, i really hope, because money is needed, mr. valery, money? no, no, no, no, look , the australian ones are written off and... that australia, yes, if you buy, for money, you are right, but the australian ones can go, for example, in exchange for services on submarines have their own program , the americans are participating, that is, there are options here, alendles, you should not be afraid of this phrase that land lease is necessarily about money, you are now showing, yes, it was a very beautiful ceremony, 9 may, in honor of, if... russian or counterbalance, and well, i think it is a mistake that it was not protested,

we should have tried to sign a bilateral agreement, we do not have a bilateral agreement, without a government agreement this lendlis will not go, further terms of delivery, who said that we must let's write that everything is a loan, yes, or maybe it's such a system that we take, well, we take the same loan with tanks or missiles, but we give it back only if they are not damaged. yes, you can write down why it wasn't done, well, i know why, but it's wrong, it's wrong, and why did you officially play along with it, it was the wrong move, you had to convince the white house that the instrument should be on the table, and now he may appear again nda 24, will be voted on by the 17th, from here i can say, the probability is there, although also mike johnson is questioning it and trump is behind it, trump is fighting for what he, he felt, sorry, as they say in politics, blood, he felt it. what can be pressured, and earlier he had the idea that they would only squeeze out participation in the elections, because they are chasing him in the courts, and now

it has gone even more, now he is no longer just participating in the elections, so it is a small group of people, it seems, but they take what was marginal, it can become mainstream in the republican party, this is a very dangerous thing that did not happen before, on in general, the weakness of many friends, well, who have now reconciled, is surprising. it is adjusted to this, well, i mean the american congress, i see how they all, well, look at lynsey graham before, lynsey graham now, look at the statements of our people from the ukrainian caucus. well, of course, they are with our president or with the delegation, hurrah, hurray, everything , but when it comes to their elections, the story is a little different here, so we will see, there is a probability , well, i called today literally two hours ago and i have not yet had a conversation, said 40 %. well , today i would say 20%, but it's up to you

two hours have passed since the broadcast, this is one conversation with two people there in america who know the situation better, before the broadcast i called specifically... that's why, to be honest, we drink validol every day, i'm tired of it, today i drink, tomorrow i don't drink, well, i would still like to clarify, you say they won't have time before christmas, after christmas, what will happen after christmas, let's go after easter, no, after easter - that's already too much, i'll explain, bye it's not that they won't have time for christmas, it's just that by christmas, with a high probability, the white house will... have a position package, well, this is 106 billion, where ukraine , israel, and taiwan, and the border, all together, but after that there will be no more, because then, then there will be two options: scenario a, 12 laws are adopted, the budget, and then, in principle, there can be a separate vote, ukrainian

aid, which means that it will most likely be reduced, the democrats are starting to look at this as an option, or... scenario b, it will not be possible to pass all the budgets, and then there will be mike johnson's winning line, accept temporary budgets will be extended until january and february, according to eight laws until january, and four until february, and this is a bad story, because in the temporary funding that they currently have for all programs, yes, in order to prevent a shutdown, the ukrainians did not include that money, but it was not included here, and if they wanted it to accept as a package. therefore, it will be a different story, now ukrainian financing will be included in these temporary things, and these are completely different conditions, and it will be different volumes, there it will hardly be possible to break through the budget of 11.7 in direct our budget, which is paid salaries, so there is a lot of uncertainty , i would say yes, to be honest, you even know all this and

look at the draft laws, everything is the same today, the same tomorrow, so we have to wait, i guess we have to wait, we have already done everything that could be done, in my opinion, just wait 15 in december and then already under new conditions to see how the situation will develop, but we need to draw conclusions that work should not be urgent, not at the last moment, that this whole story is for the next year after the war, this is also part of lobbying interests in key countries , that it should be done systematically, have a plan, you see when not to go at the last moment dozens of delegations are there, and zagu. months before that, i.e. to plan more carefully, i.e. to work on mistakes and make a coordinated systematic approach for the next, very difficult year, because it will be even tougher there, because it is an election year, mr. valery, a few words about the visit of the ukrainian delegation of yermak, umirov , stefanchuk to the

united states, and generally about western ukraine , the american conference of defense industries, a memorandum on the exchange of techno was signed. and about joint defense production, can it be called something revolutionary, or is it just yet absolutely such a frame story that will need to be filled, and everything will again depend on our capabilities and the capabilities of the united states. regarding the arrival of this forum of defense technologies, it was planned in advance, but it coincided with the consideration of aid to ukraine, which is good, because these companies are the same. are lobbyists for receiving funds of 80%, well, i said 80, but i heard 90, 90% of the funds, this is what antony blinkin said yesterday, go directly to the manufacturers of weapons in america, 90% of all this military funding, therefore, they are obviously interested, behind the scenes there is still a serious struggle for these pieces of the budget, i.e. military orders, this is also

there, and it is also part of this compromise that they are currently considering, so the delegation itself is almost at the last moment, if in terms of this military it was interesting, there are still some memorandums i cannot evaluate, i have not seen the text, the memorandum, as a rule, is a framework document of this kind, it is not a commitment, contracts must be signed there, in principle, we have all the conditions without a memorandum were, i don’t know why the memorandum, because it is necessary to simply have access to sales e . we received it in the 18th year, we must have guarantees on export control, we have a working group of the strategic commission, the americans trust us, we have already corrected the situation in iran. there were nuances, but now there are none, and we have, well, according to other regimes, in the same rkrt and others, that is, there is no reason why the americans cannot sell weapons to ukraine

and produce them together. there is another question, and what types of weapons will we, well, let's put it this way, i don't want words, be allowed to use, but in fact, the influence of the usa is so great that without their consent in the distribution of types of production and... this chain of industrial production of weapons, we will not do anything, i really hope that they will give us, well, we know that they are ready to give us power, and we do it, there are cartridges, ammunition, shells, but we need rockets, we need rockets with a range of 100 km, will they help us in this, i am not sure that they will help us, so armored vehicles are a good thing, we have armored vehicles before tanks also did a good job. good, but the cost of them only for export, well, what rheinmetall is producing now, i don't know, you know, i know, we know some things publicly, the same

drones according to the french, large drones with 1.5 tons of ammunition, and these are all good things , just so you know, it's all perspective, we already have to fight now, and now we need it, relatively speaking, not five drones, but today we need 100,000 fvp. drones to the front, that's why i'm not involved in it, that is, like us, so i'll say yes, you 're asking if it's useful, useful, breakthrough revolutionary, no, now there's nothing revolutionary, it would be revolutionary, yes , it was revolutionary last year, direct non-contact combat, drones, yes, these are all, if someone thought two years ago, all of them, that in two years there will be a war, russia will attack, and we need... 100,000 drones, well, we did not think in such categories, that is why the authorities do not think, even if we had such an understanding, then all these drones and their importance

would still not be able to replace the main types of weapons, artillery and everything else, so it is so clear that it was a priority, thank you mr. valery for the inclusion, valery chaly, diplomat, extraordinary plenipotentiary ambassador of ukraine to the united states from 2015 to 2019, and in a few moments we will go on the offensive. of our topics, just to remind you that the idf operation in the gaza sector continues, and operation atlantis, israel is ready to flood the hamas tunnels, in fact, extremely vivid footage from the gaza sector, in particular, how the hamasites leave their shelters and are actually in danger of being destroyed, comes out the world of god, but will this be enough to speak... about completeness the eradication of this terrorism from the gaza strip and how long it will take for this eradication in israel, we will talk about it with our

next guest, i will immediately announce another extremely important topic: putin and his visit to the united arab emirates and saudi arabia, what is this was and did they agree on something with raisi, the president of iran in the near future. well, let's start with this and start our conversation with igor simivalosy, the director of the center of middle eastern studies, congratulations, mr. igor, congratulations, congratulations to you, and here's the fact that putin really got into the union the arab emirates of saudi arabia for the first time since february 2022, and he was met there as the sheikhs of the sheikh with this three-hour trail from the aircraft of the aviation a. at the time of putin's arrival at president alnakhayan's palace with all the words of love and courtesy that he heard from both the emirati and saudi

leaders, for i won't even ask you why this putin, why them putin, uh, well , i think here , well, you don’t need to, don’t confuse oriental hospitality with an attempt to show your hospitality in this way, including and... the same putin himself, with their real attitude towards putin, here you always have to understand that the difference between the two things is quite large, but really, why do they need putin, that's a good question, given just the fact that putin today is a situational ally of saudi arabia and the united arab emirates in the context of the gas war, and... for the arabs, for countries that consider themselves important, from the point of view of making decisions in the middle east and influencing them. decision,

the russian position is important, yes, this is a situational alliance, this, this, in principle, we that we cannot talk about any permanent relations, although, if we consider the united arab emirates, there is no doubt that there is much more economic, economic cooperation, and the united arab emirates has long been actively used by russia specifically for... sanctions against russia, and there are a lot of relocated or simply registered russian companies operating in the emirates, which are engaged in the supply of products and dual-use items, and there was a lot of talk about this, and criticism of this particular country sounded from different platforms, but in general. you can now

to say that these countries meet putin as such an ally in the context of the gas war, and for them he is important precisely for strengthening their position and possible, possible future trades with the americans, we show that not only america is united, just as they once did with china, and accordingly we are forcing the americans to act more decisively. or sooner and make some decisions that will benefit the arab world. and by the way, they said that in fact saudi arabia wanted to hear from putin an explanation regarding russia's possible refusal from the opec plus agreement, that putin said during the visit that he would provide additional data on russian oil refining, it could not be part of the need to personally visit prince muhammad and alnahine. well, it seems to me that the composition of the delegation, which is about...

that they see these countries as important from the point of view of economic support for the russian economy, and with regard to opec plus, without a doubt there are certain contradictions, discussions, but it seems to me that in this case , russia's position is not the basis for decision-making in within the framework of this organization, after all, russia is a plus there rather than opec, therefore... it is clear that this discussion could have been and it is quite possible that putin gave some certain explanations, but frankly speaking, well, let's be honest, for that , in order to make such a visit , and for the sake of such explanations, well, it seems to me that it is a little somehow - even too much, but with regard to -

the visit of the president of iran, which khrystyna mentioned, it can be considered that putin is still trying to be a mediator between saudi arabia and iran, that he says something about something in saudi arabia, then the same topic will be discussed with the president of iran, that there is an effort to show its such a big geopolitical role in the region, well, they are all playing there, let's remember beijing and xinjiang, which is also playing on this very topic and the iranian-saudi contradictions and... or, if not reconcile them, then at least bring them together, yes, that is, in this case it is quite important that this topic was also discussed, i assume that it was also discussed, well, since it was already stated there that the ukrainian war the same was discussed, and it is quite important that here in the future we will hear initiatives from the side of saudi arabia, the same united emirates, that is, about the release of some

part of ukrainian children, that is, this... this is also possible, because the arabs never play in the same gate, they will try to save face in any weather and keep a certain distance, despite the fact that yes, in this case, this situational rapprochement of these russia and the arab countries, well , obviously, uh, uh, we continue to talk about what is happening now in israel and the gas sector, in particular, the third phase of the ground operation of tsaga. what can we expect from her and how is the general course of hostilities developing, mr. igor? well, what can we expect from it, the continuation of bombings, murders and actually a lot of blood on both sides, that is, in principle, we are not expecting anything new during the last two months, and it is obvious that this war is dragging on, in fact for the whole winter . well, by the way, this is not typical for

the region to go on for so long. armed conflict, we never...