how it can affect the internal ukrainian political situation, our guests today oleg rybachuk and mark feigin. our first guest, oleg rybachuk, ex-vice prime minister of ukraine for european integration, former head of president yushchenko's secretariat, co-founder of chesna movement. glory to ukraine, mr. olezh, i congratulate you. glory to the heroes, and from death we all know who. well, the key story: the united states. republicans with democrats or democrats with republicans. could not invade the most important, in particular it is about our interests, and in ukraine we should focus on this, yes, and i would like to ask you on a casual basis what are the prospects for pursuing this issue, we understand, it can be connected with mexico, it can be connected with the american election campaign, but on the way out, i have nothing but anxiety about it. yes, there are reasons for anxiety, and there are reasons for optimism, i always try to, well... look for

the light at the end of the tunnel, because otherwise you are programming yourself, well, as they say, despair is a great sin. well, that is, the first thing that is not yet evening, no one predicted that the vote would take place at the beginning of december, everyone said that it would be, as they say, under the christmas tree in our country, around christmas. the second is that it was a proposed package that did not include the arrangement that the republicans wanted, well, if it was walls, the question. there is nothing wrong, many of us perceive, lord, let’s give them yatsenyuk, he will build us a wall, but the question is not about the wall, the question is about immigration policy, that is, the republicans claim that during the period of biden’s presidency, somewhere they approximately 9.5 million received, well, illegal refugees through this hole on the southern border received so many illegal refugees, and so on. biden's immigration policy is

his highest point, of all there, you know, they evaluate his economic things, so only 25% of americans support biden's immigration policy against the background of these allahakbarites who are now chasing the world, then you know that there is just growth anti-immigration sentiment, and the democrats need to take this into account, the republicans feel that they have an opportunity now to push it question, but... republicans perfectly understand the price of not supporting ukraine and even more so israel, so what is happening now, they tried, the democrats tried to introduce a bill that does not have this issue of border arrangement, this package did not get enough votes even for discussion , 49 votes were in favor of the discussion, 51 were against, and two democrats voted against, one technically, as they say, the card did not vote, and the other himself ... this is such an interesting personality in the history

of american democracy, he is a democrat, but in fact he is a chegovorovite somewhere, a marxist, a leninist, such, but also a billionaire who tried to become president several times, so we have passed this stage where i see some compensators, as viktor yusenko once said, where do we find these compensators, in because of what's going on, i think you also had it on the news feed on your channel, that they agreed on... joint production of weapons, i read that the white house appointed a special representative, our ministry, which is there for strategic industries or something , well, earlier it was a ministry which was engaged in the military industry, and this is really a very unusual event, because, well, it was a dream, in particular mine, with volodymyr ogrysko, ex-minister of foreign affairs, when we were in nako, several years ago we tried very hard to convince the american ambassador and representatives of the state department, that needs to be debugged. joint projects

together with ukraine, because we have a huge potential of the military industry, when we visited certain of our factories there that are engaged in the production of helicopters there and sold parts to china, well, when we talked to the representatives, they said, well what should we do, we have one market, we have a market there, russia and china, the americans don't let us into their market, the nativs don't let them into their market, what should we just shut down production? well, in addition to these obvious problems, there was the main problem, this is the problem of trust, this is the transfer of technology, and now for the second day i hear that it is about the transfer of technology, that we are redesigning our launchers, but here there is a moment, we do not have so much time, we understand, so we will need money, quickly and in large quantities, and we will specifically need weapons, because while we are setting up production, the few billion dollars we have left... at the bottom of the american

welfare bucket will run out, so what exactly will we enter with, if the new year is not too favorable, well, first of all, that we are there somewhere, well, let's be honest, we... will still be there until the end of january, yes, yes, on average , we will not die of hunger, secondly, european partners, not the americans, are sharply increasing their activity, and we are also we see both from the side of the germans, and from the side of the netherlands, and from the side of others nato member countries, slovaks, poles and so on, and poles, by the way, too, they are hungarians, hungarians. to the union, it is clear that not everything is so simple, well, but, well, but, no, it is not the poles who are not delaying military aid to us. well, again, i look at how ours already, it made me smile, how ours started to drive trucks by railway. yes, and there is still about

a week left to change the government. that is, a lot will change in the new year, but even the pentagon has its fire extinguishers. remember the story when the pentagon calculated something there, says: oh, yes, we estimated something wrong here, we still have 6 billion in reserve, it’s all a little bit, here we are, i’m to the point that we won’t have a break, there won’t be this famine, with which they scare us, there will be no military and technical famine, this does not mean that we are relaxing, but it is difficult, almost impossible to imagine that in reality american legislators will simply accept and refuse. in military aid to ukraine, israel and taiwan, i.e. most likely, and this is hinted at and said, i even read somewhere that there are already signals from the white house that the democrats are also ready to make certain concessions, in particular, it is said that let these,

well, conditional mexicans who come from that side, let their applications for political asylum be considered on that side, not send them here, since they are already on the territory. of the united states, and it would be an option that is acceptable to republicans. there used to be such a scheme, it was just later, it was kept by trump, but the democrats softened it, so they have to come to an agreement, they just have to come to an agreement, certain concessions are needed from the side. procedural moment, the fact that the president of ukraine volodymyr zelenskyi should have joined and did not join this rather hot american political party. on the one hand, we understand. that he would hardly have achieved anything, on the other hand, if it was already planned, then it was worth talking or what? and the devil knows him , you understand, i think that he mainly relied on the opinion of our embassy and our ambassador markarova, who obviously had information that they did not agree, if

the president undertakes something, then there must be a result, or we are we talking about the performance or us let's talk about the trip there, let's say the president, it used to be... it was putin , yanukovych's veteran legs, when yanukovych went to moscow, he told all of ukraine that i would bring a normal agreement, the price of gas there and returned empty- handed, well, it used to be equated to a declaration of war, you can't humiliate the head of state like that, so most likely it's absolutely this information about the fact that they didn't agree, that the republicans won't vote not because ukraine, but because there is no issue of theirs there, and probably the advice was wait until... until they reach some compromise, i do not comment on it otherwise, and if i were there, conditionally speaking, i would have some kind of voice or influence there, i would probably also not advise our president to go to an event that will definitely end in failure, but

to convince our american partners, yes, we understand that something needs to be done, we understand that the republican-democratic confrontation will continue, because america is entering election mode. well , the brownian motion of our delegations begins, we begin to enter the work mode, accelerated, we begin to try to work with americans, but kuleb is not there, no , i did not see the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine during the regular visit of our high-ranking officials, these are amazing features of how the ukrainian government is organized, and this is very difficult to perceive in the white house, i have already told zelenskyi about this ... they explained more than once that there should be a functional government in ukraine, that there should be executive power, and the center of executive power is not bankova street, it is not yermak and yermachat, but the prime minister, ministers, in particular foreign policy - this is the ministry of foreign affairs,

when some of yarmak's deputies there talk about the fact that it is written in the constitution that the president directs foreign policy, it is written that way, and in order for him... to carry out his foreign policy, he appoints and dismisses the minister of foreign affairs, this separately issued in the constitution, therefore , when there is a ministry of foreign affairs, there are no deputies of yermak. can't the ermaks replace it, this, well, it's savagery, and about this, well, i don't know what kind of words zelensky needs to explain it, and there is a weakness here, if you ask me what needs to be done, then now zelensky needs to demonstrate that he understands it, and it is necessary to de-escalate the situation with the military, and it is necessary to demonstrate this unity, this is what zelensky can do, he can show that they understood the depth of the problems and the depth of the threats, the issue

of liberating all these shurs and tatars has been around for a long time, well, that's what we're talking about, the americans told me frankly that it was almost not agreed upon, but that was before the start of the israeli war, i don't know why it's taking a while, but now here it is when we are already being pushed, the truth must be determined for sure, ukraine, dear friends, is this some kind of reincarnation of these dear friends, the question... is actually very serious, it cannot be like that, and our european and american partners know this of course, so zelensky will have to this is a decision to make, if you are asked what to do there, then now you need to demonstrate the ability to fulfill promises. when they wrote us a letter from the white house there, it was three months, somewhere, in my opinion, i calculated that these three months would end sometime in january, and there were very specific things, in particular, on anti-corruption and other things, and i think that this is internal. in december, god willing, we will receive an invitation to the start of negotiations, but it will be like this,

the champagne was uncorked and the work will continue to be immeasurable and the problems will be immeasurable, and with such a structure of power, these problems are absolutely impossible to solve, so life is simply pushing us there, that if we are to survive, the first thing is that it is easy to predict that everything will be fine, the worst is ahead, this is my favorite saying, i always heard yushchenko say it. but you have to prepare for this, further it will not be easier for us, in order for us to be able to solve all these problems, we need a viable, stable government and the support of society, and coherence, and of course the absence of systemic corruption, which is limited to banking, and these situations, fellow journalists, almost every week described, and that is why we are then surprised that there is a topic floating around in the west, and they say it is necessary somehow... well, there is a tactical story, it is the dismissal or resignation of fyodor venislavskyi,

the president's representative in the verkhovna rada from his post. venislavskyi said that we simply do not charge, they say, because it is both a committee and a plethora of additional cases, well, but we understand that it was fedir venislavskyi who actively and openly criticized mariana bezoglu, who in turn criticized the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine, general valery zaluzhny, and we understand that, that... this story just coincides from time to time with the processes that you talked about, in particular, it is about american certain decisions. the president's representative in the verkhovna rada crossed paths several times on the air, and he pleasantly impressed me with his intelligence, reason and such europeanness. so, if you take him and maryana, they are just opposites. and again, if you take him and take yermak, that too. antipodes, so this is most likely not so much zelensky’s decision, i think

, as what andriy once again whispered there, but it indicates that there is no understanding of the seriousness of the situation, it indicates that the forces of good are winning, not the right people now they are fired, and these are very wrong signals, and and and simply, in fact, it does not facilitate the communication situation at all. sends the wrong one the signal to the same parliament again drives zelenskyi into an even bigger corner, because such things are read the same way as you and i. most likely, western analysts will analyze that a person simply recognized the inadmissibility of direct conflicts between the president and, well, let's say, the military, and for this, for the right things, well , this reminds me of the story with our ambassador in great britain. for example, this, this, this, this is a sad story for president zelenskyi, this is

a very sad personnel story, which indicates that this construction, which zelenskyi molded into power, is not moving in that direction at all. which relies only on a few of his advisers, and through them others, depending on loyalty, either get positions or lose them, about which people get positions, that's what the biguus agency did. to be honest with the movement, they recently conducted an analysis of many of yermak's advisers, and the situation there is simply wild, and it is clear that the further, the more attention will be paid to this, everything will be fine. to make decisions, but why start so much, we already have no time, as you and i understand, we need quick actions, quick decisions, and we need to return trust we understand that there is a commander-in-chief, there is a commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine, there are corresponding generals who manage the directions, branches of the troops, and so on and so forth. this whole thing should demonstrate, well, monolithicity. we understand

that there can be discussions, there can be difficult discussions, emotional ones and so on. but the west needs certain such impulses that would demonstrate that the ukrainian military-political elite is cemented. the first thing is to clearly understand that it is absolutely unacceptable for the military, for the military, to act not hierarchically, that is, relatively speaking, you cannot talk to a subordinate through the head of the commander, it is simply excluded altogether. and therefore, when there is information in the press that , for example, the president communicates with some deputies, commander-in-chief, heads of military branches without his knowledge - this is an absolutely wild, unacceptable situation, and the ukrainian military understands this, and the west definitely understands this. with such methods of communication, it will be impossible to talk about successes. i think

this will be one of the conditions for continued support of ukraine. and providing ukraine with modern types of weapons and planning for the next offensive there, this will be the very solution to this issue, as you and i will most likely see there publicly, well, zelensky can say that he does not like being pressured, but put, the question is not about who loves whom, here the question is about whether or not there will be ukraine, and i know that the west can communicate like that, in its time, i have not... witnessed such very tough, direct conversations, and the ukrainian authorities will have to be ready for this if we want, and not only that, demand this level of cooperation and support, then we have to adjust all our wheels so that we run like a swiss watch, not squeak like an old wheel. but please detail the stories you just mentioned, as the west,

for example, can put pressure on some or other of our presidents or i don't know prime ministers, how it happens. there are several levels, the ambassadors work first, the ambassadors have contact there, if we are talking about political forces, let’s say it was the motherland there, our ukraine, there are also some political forces, ambassadors meet with representatives of each of these political forces and talk about the need for cooperation, well, in general terms, no one there is literally so pressed that we tell you that you should do this and that, in a situation where there was a threat of disintegration... of the coalition, my phone was just breaking up, because i was constantly on the mobile phone with the state department, with the advisers of the president of the united states, who were simply persuading, urging to preserve the coalition, but by then it was too late, by then, well between by the politicians of tymoshenko

and yushchenko, the entire territory was simply burned, the bridges were torn down , and they did not want to hear about it, by the way, the price... we pay the price enough, if there was no disintegration of the orange coalition, then if the tymoshenko-yushchenko union was preserved, then not would have been yanukovych, but that is already history, but i was just a witness, i tell you that i know how it is done, but i also know that there are direct telephone conversations between the president and the president or an adviser and the president, and there there are people, surrounded by everyone there are some presidents. private people , there is the ministry of foreign affairs, there are communication channels, but there are also direct ones, and the difference between ukraine now is that the whole world is talking about the ukrainian president, but yesterday we saw a video of zelenskyi’s online conference with the leaders of the seven, it is an extremely powerful tool, it is there was a closed conference, you and i do not know what they talked about there, but i

know that there they can speak literally in such words, calling for unity to... a demonstration of cooperation to and and i have already seen it simply in the ukrainian information space we talked about the fact that all the tension is decreasing, well, everything has passed, we have turned the page, we continue to work, because we have a common big goal, i think that you and i will see more joint greetings for the new year and somewhere we will already start all these distances they will start turning us back, they already reassured us before, it's just that we didn't believe in their reassurance, it is necessary... to demonstrate certain steps to someone, no matter how much it is wanted, but it is necessary to demonstrate steps and in no way, in no way try to do it now in the middle such a defining one stage to create problems with the military in the war, these military do not deserve it and do not like it very much, no, just when you mentioned the orange coalition, its disintegration and so on, that is, there were forces that

worked separately under viktor andriyovych, under yulia volodymyrivna, and this whole thing could not stick together, because this or that contractor constantly appeared. now we see openly paid, manipulative articles that appear in some or other semi-respectable western media, and we also see a certain... synchronization, certain things are thrown in there that we cannot verify, we understand, yes , if they refer to anonymous sources who say some absolutely mind-blowing, unworldly things, well, very often suspicion arises accordingly, but people are all politicians, they are emotional people, generals are emotional, all on emotions, all on nerves, and it is clear why, well, the price is very high, and this appears here, this is part of that campaign, you probably remember, our president also talked about some kind of maidan 3, anti-maidan. three, that is , our intelligence warned that somewhere in the region of 1.5 billion funds were being prepared, which now will flow, well, it will flow, so it should not be an indicator of the authenticity

of the problems for us, the real problems that we have, they may be completely different from what we read about in these mass media, well , this is already frank information , that this is part of a hybrid war, and we, for example, i already have my , i don't know, my brain. this critical component has set up that any information should be defended first, then checked and then you will see what is true and what is not true, but i think that ukrainian society does not deal with such things very well, i recently had a conversation with the military, who are in the trenches there, and i and they just told me that they are very, they turn out to react very painfully, who reacts painfully, whose psyche suffers , these are the soldiers who read stuff to their fathers , there is also the internet there, they say, i was surprised , they say, we all find a place like our own, we go to the internet there and pass it on to each other, and when they hear about these reductions in weapons, there

already the information is thickening, about these scandals, about the threats of some resignations, it greatly depresses precisely those people who should simply fight with a firm conviction that they have a competent government and that the world is with them, but they are suffering. thank you sir. oleg, for this extremely important and interesting conversation, i want to remind our tv viewers that oleg rybachuk, former deputy prime minister for european integration of ukraine, former chief of office of viktor yushchenko, and co-founder of the movement , was working for them on the air of the tv channel fair. joint problems are limiting movement is unpleasant and painful. strengthen them with the help of long joints. these are bags with collagen and vitamin c to restore articular cartilage. dolgit joints contributes to the normal functioning of the joints and

has a positive effect on bone health. dolgit joints facilitates motor functions. stretch your joints, move freely. the tv channel is now on the air. vladimir mark feigin, a former member of the russian state duma, now a member of the russian opposition in exile, a famous video blogger. glory to ukraine, mark, i congratulate you. anton, i am glad to welcome all viewers. i i wanted to ask you about putin, that is, this impression of putin was resuscitated in political terms, from this refrigerator, where he was put by professor solovei. so, putin is speaking at the g20. then time magazine began to consider his candidacy as a person, so to speak. and so on. mark, what do you think is happening now in the macro-political space? well, you know, several factors have come together here, and we must soberly

state that it is true, and putin, well, today he is using everything to the maximum what are the opportunities provided to him, in particular? the fact that the counteroffensive did not achieve its results, did not reach the borders between the two fronts in the east. and at the same time, it did not release a number of cities to the south and to the sea, well, such inflated plans may have been, on the other hand, there are indeed changes in the west, which are pushing all the rest of putin's limbs into this gap, hand and foot, that is, these changes are connected in america with the upcoming elections and a clear drop in biden's rating, by the way, say, it is caused by ego in general immediately in 2023, on the ukrainian issue, he could not resist.

the pendulum did not swing a bit, but it changed the position in the sense that those who considered the ukrainian question in isolation from the rest, well conditionally, yes, here is the aggressor, here is the victim, here is the attack and so on, no matter in the global yoga, in in other places, they suddenly began to consider the position of ukraine itself, the united states, the collective west, and so on through the prism of middle eastern support from ukraine, that is, he played the role that...

we can somehow agree with moscow against ukraine with that war, but we cannot with the war in the middle east and unequivocal support for israel, and therefore , accordingly, we change our position somewhat in relation to moscow's actions in ukraine. i would say that these factors definitely played their role, and putin, well, he always knew how to use it, he tried to parasitize it, in general, so far unsuccessfully,

because you see, changes are on the front. there is no such thing in ukraine, where did they take avdeevka, or i don't know if they surrendered there some large settlements along the front line in the east, for example, from kupinsk to svatovo, kremenoe, liman. yes, there are battles in a number of places, but i would not say that there is some unworldly progress, and this is reflected in the position of the west, no, the changes are only exclusively within the west, within the system of support created by ukraine and its allies, yes, but where ramshtay? implemented, you understand , it is clear that this is such a restrained criticism of the west, but it is relevant, because, well, listen, of course, you can do as much as you like talks about contradictions within the ukrainian leadership, this is certainly used by moscow, it is also obvious, but they are also the result of this failure, maybe, in the sense that the ukrainian leadership was hoping for, connected with the counteroffensive, and it, in turn, everything still to a decisive

degree. now , the western press plays a very important, if not decisive, role in the position of public opinion, which, you know, how the politicians themselves begin to convince the voters of something, and then the voters return it to them, already perturbed this opinion, it's that...

nobody in the west likes how we can encrypt putin's statement at the g20, that's how he started talking about calling a war a war at zimbo, firstly, an important point, secondly , he started babbling about the need to stop the tragedy, even though he is the culprit of the russian attack on ukraine, that is, the tragedy did not come from the sky, from some concept, conspiratorial and so on, this was a very clear russian position and were very clear war criminals. on the conditions that we propose, there is no, the main thing, the central question of these conditions, not even the division of 80 into 20 territories of ukraine, 20 geopolitical realities, we occupied them, we held a referendum there, we annexed them to russia, and above all, the neutral status of ukraine, not allowed accession to nato, in general , integration into the west.