you met in the army, tell us about him? my boys' names were oleksiy, call sign, mai, or some know it as azov. we met around march 3. in tents, in the part where we first lived. he was building a roadblock, helping himself near a house in our area, the then platoon commander saw him. and says: who are you, how do you know how it is done, because he told how to do it correctly and the like, he was trained in azov, even in that azov, which was from the 14th year. he died from a tank attack projectile in the area of ​​makiivka, luhansk region, it was simply to maintain the defense line. i, well, they could always imagine

all kinds of things, he and his friend mishka pautina, well, such young guys, 21-22 years old, sitting in those trenches, well, not at all, well , it didn’t bring any pleasure, they knocked out one tank, well, that’s understandable that there were still guys in the group, the second tank went wild, and destroyed such a good amount of infantry. and then they were alive, whole, mild contusions, but before their exit they had severe contusions, losh was taken out, they were simply pulled out of the landing, and they they had a vacation, and now they still have a vacation , but they have to go to the exit, and they are sitting next to me like that, who, if not us, got married and left, and i never saw them alive again.

we work there in different shifts, three days at a position, four, five, sometimes seven, we work on the enemy's logistical hubs, on the accumulations of large infantry, for example, the enemy, what do they do, they don't go there right away ... from one place to another large group, with a meat assault, they go in twos, threes, gather at one point, there and from there, as much as they want 400 m remain, from there they are already meat, and become meat, in principle, because 120 people work in such groups. valentina, i understand a little about the specifics of your work and realize that you need to adapt. uh, to the enemy at a certain

distance, it's also dangerous, how do you cope with all this? i have the 120th. i can reach far, but all the same, in order to work on these strategic goals that i mentioned, it is necessary to be, well, not very far, to throw over the line of contact, for a zero to a minus. eh, if we talk about the danger and about the fear, yes, well, it's not as dangerous as the guys in the trenches. but they fly over us, they fly over us more than over them, cabs fly over us, but they fly over them 24/7. i see the result of my work, and we are informed of the results, yes, well done, impressed, worked out , great, well, this often happens, and it is very nice, because when you... wash and you

do everything, and you are here you're cold, you sit, and it, well, it doesn't work, and you don't understand why, you've already checked everything, then, of course, your hands give way a little, but it happens, thank you god, it's rare, we are good mortarmen, but they often don't say that, what is your target, you need to work out such and such coordinates, well done, and our leadership already knows this, we don't need to know this, we were given an order, we we did it, we were praised, we are well done, we patted ourselves on the helmet like that. my father , he is my stepfather, but for me he is a father, he also joined my unit, but at the beginning it was full-scale, we were together and went to the kharkiv counter-offensive in july, i think, in the 22nd year, we worked there, everything is fine , he is a scout, a surveyor, raised the drone and guidance. now he

serves in the 58th brigade, he is also a mortarman, and we discussed many very important points with him, he taught me, taught me, explained, it is important for me to understand how it works, and not just that it works and well, and we even have a mother, we are still there at home and we talk about various things on the phone, our mother will soon be a better mortar than us, she also already knows about these thousands of deltas, she is this this this already fumbles, she can already tell a little, those who know... the value of the school, for example, is not much were surprised when they found out that on february 25 she went to the litskomat, because they know that she is so combative, she has such a strong character, she is hardened by sports,

so if she is disciplined, the fact that she is so small, fragile, of course, well , she is interested in what she is doing, she refused, she... on the fifth day, she was still standing at the door, not letting me in, and then i already said that there was a place in the car, i would go anyway, and it would be better if i i will go with someone rather than myself, she said: well, i thought i would direct her this incredible energy into some such some kind of volunteer movement, well , nothing would come of it if nothing interesting and something useful for her were found, and on february 25 she told me, mom, my friends are going to the military, they have... well, if only i had arguments for this phrase there were none, of course she is worried, and

she was very worried about dad when he was on the kharkiv counteroffensive, when i went to lyman, and i then... rarely called her, because i rarely had the opportunity to do so, i remember i am already sitting on the ksp, when i type it, i have a window in front of me, well, the glass has been gone for a long time, it is already a forgotten thing, there is a roof collapsed on the side, here the pillow is standing in the window, i am sitting like this, i am talking to her on a video call and i hear a whistle, i turn off the sound , i lean like this, the pillows fly out, i lift them up, my mother says, i am in front of the bar, we have here... a little it's not good, it's a little uneasy, but i think it happened to my mother at that moment for a second, we know the history of our family, we know that in 1932

our family was torn apart, that my grandfather's two little ones died, a brother and sister , the famine, i am most afraid not for myself, but... for my family, first of all, mother, sister, father, and my brothers, when they are somewhere or in a neighboring position, or when i am here, and they are in a position, this is the biggest fear, for myself, well, it is as it is, what are you going to do, well, first of all, valyushka was always beautiful, at the graduation , moreover, they danced with girls, with boys, waltz, very nicely. she passed the zno exams very well, she has 197 in mathematics, 196 in ukrainian, 195 in history and 194 in english. she wanted to enter a military university, but still decided to connect her life with a civilian

profession, but will graduate from the military department. i i go out to work with mine, i charge it. i approach the next shot, i hear a whistle, and when i hear a whistle, i turn around and see that the charging devil is already lying down, and he is holding the mine like that in front of him , well, i heard it before me in my headphones, i fall, i see that her land is flying about meters maybe 30 flew in, 40 flew in, uh, i’m passing on reports that we have a little bit of shelling, precipitation here, he says throw it and... into the basement, uh, i still had to, i have to, he left, valya, left, he says, no i took a mine, brought a mine, aimed, threw it, and i have to restore it back mortar, i insert the sight, i say go, he won’t go without you, i say go, well, in any

case, this caliber works, i didn’t pour, pour, pour, pour, there with a frequency of 30 seconds and go, no, he works, well, one and a half minutes from one and a half. takes up to 5 minutes, i understand that i still have time, i stand up, pull out the scope and the second one flies, and then the third one flew already in the basement, close there, and i... it’s a little like that, well, this whistle, you you know when you hear the whistle that it is no longer yours, but there is such a caliber that the fragments fly far and fly away in pieces, so you don’t know what the result will be, so i ran into the basement, sat down, and i also drank a lot of coffee that day, you know, coffee increases anxiety, sat down, i say yes, you still have one more guide , let him... go to work, i am still a dbg , not ready for combat, the dbg is ready, but for an hour

or so, please, i will sit here, just take a breath, my mother can, of course, if she were standing here, she would give me a nape, but no, i am not afraid, i know that they are waiting for me on the other side, if of course he is there, and if he is not, then it will not matter to me. well, somehow, i haven't earned anything yet, i don't have a family, well, my children, there's a husband, the most important thing, what, what, well, if, it's a pity, if i died, this is my family, this is my mother, my dad and my sister, i really feel sorry for them, and why feel sorry for myself, i chose this for myself, maybe you have thought about your plans for the future? who would you see yourself as after the end of the war? if they had asked about it sometime in the fall of the 21st, i would

have said yes, now i'm studying, i'm going to get a master's degree, maybe something related to the defense industry, but there is an understanding that this it's still a war, and i don't know how long i have left, and whether i'll survive this war, i don't know either, but i have very far-sighted plans. i understand that i do not love a person who did not take part in the liberation of our land, well, i am very tolerant of everything, but we will have different principles, but i need a person with my same principles, everyone is like that now in already in the army , you understand how when there is a civilian in the family, there is danger on the one hand, both soldiers

will be here, and there may be grief for both, i don't want that's why i will wait for victory. those children who returned are an absolute mistrust of the world around them. "it was the beginning of your war, he was the youngest, yes of the heavenly hundred, it was also a shock, why children,

i love, there is a certain theory that describes how to protect children, how in reality to make sure that children do not get hurt, how childhood can continue, even in the conditions of war, it can continue, it does continue, you have created such a network of families, i went then, but really, just as christians were chased away, so were i with those psychologists..." every school, now after 10 years, it is absolutely normal to talk about psychological help, and what they are making a film about, about what they lost, you were heard and the voices of children will be heard, people who were in the chain of forced deportation, kidnapping and moving children to russia, they will be in prison for the rest of their days. olena rozvadovska, human rights activist, head of the children's voices charitable foundation. until 2014

, she worked as a press secretary in the office of the plenipotentiary of the president of ukraine for children's affairs. from the beginning of russian-ukrainian after the war, she moved to donetsk region and as a volunteer provided humanitarian and psychological assistance to children affected by the armed aggression of the russian federation. over the course of four years, her volunteerism grew into the children's voices charity foundation, which she founded together with azad safary. with her support and azad safarov , the documentary film the house of chips was created. the tape was nominated for an oscar. olena rozvadovska is included in the list of 100 influential women. according to the bbc. olena, i am glad to welcome you to our studio, we have known each other for a long time, and it is possible to say, this was also the beginning of your war, can you call your activity from the 15th year or from the 14th year in the east, a personal war. why children? before that, i worked in the office

as a child affairs officer, and in principle, i had been working there for 5 years. worked in the field of protection of children's rights, and when the maidan happened , and we, in principle, then, yes, we talked about the fact that children and protests, how normal it is, how they should be protected at protests where real bullets are fired and people die, and then we remember there was nazar baitovych, he died, i think he was the youngest, yes of the heavenly hundred, who was shot, it was also a shock then, yes, a teenager dies in the center of a european state. at the protests, then crimea and donetsk, luhansk, and all these so-called republics began, and then it became very clear that there is a certain theory that describes how to protect children who are affected by war, or who are in the center of armed conflict, war , anything related to confrontation, violence, and

such an interstate conflict, it became clear that in reality... and to make sure that children are not affected by war, very little knowledge and practice, this was a difficult question, because no one could give the right answer, and no one wanted to give it, because it would be for her to bear responsibility, and what responsibility comes when a bomb falls on the school? i personally lacked such a very practical experience at the time, an awareness of what it is, why even if they call to leave, why don't they leave, what needs to be done for this, and you pack your things? that's why, yes, that's why i moved to slovyansk then and somehow thought about it for a month or two, but i lingered there for 5 years, it was so certain and also with your challenge and your desire to deal with this stress, because you see that children's rights are being violated, but you can't influence it in any way, you can't react to it in any way, well, you don't have the tools, but you have to do something,

that's why you were stressed because of this, yes, because you feel so useless, so useless, why are you here when a million children are being held hostage in so-called fake republics, and how to really help them, well , no no tools, so what you can do, you can only do what you can reach, and it's easier to reach them if you're closer even physically. and the first trip, do you remember what kind of children it was, it was a trip to popasna, and then, when there were battles for debaltseve, very similar, these were almost the last trips to debaltsevo before his bought, it was very unusual, in general, shocking, even

to see all this, yes, because you were witnessing hostilities for the first time in your life and... all these shelters and basements and all those beds in cold those damp basements, of course it was a shock, but the fact that i moved there, well , in the end, as a simple volunteer person, yes, i'm not, i quit my job and was just an ordinary person, and then, in the background this is a humanitarian crisis, in principle, a volunteer was something that people perceived. and they trusted, yes, they opened up, because they could not open up to the representatives of state authorities, they could not trust them, because yes, there were different situations, representatives of the armed forces of ukraine as well, some were absolutely pro-ukrainian and trusted, some on the contrary, yes worked for the country of the aggressor, therefore, to be such a volunteer who can

bring you something useful, material things to the house, before that , people had such an open attitude, so on the contrary, they allowed me... well, it was scary back then in that trip, then, well, it was probably still difficult to realize that this was a real war with such protracted, unimaginable military actions in the future, and the first months were still somehow more confident that everything would be fine, well, you can’t just take and die like that, but over time, well, it became more and more like this the realization of this experience came, because... the war became more and more, and yes, there was no longer so much fear as absolute caution, and just an automatic understanding of what is possible. that you can't, well conditionally, if it's dark , that's all, you don't stick out, if the road isn't very dark, you don't risk anything, well , that's just the experience of how

to survive in a war zone. did you have such a network of families, how were you perceived? well , they perceived it as normal when they saw a normal human attitude, because then it was still the 14th and 15th year, many people lived in the atmosphere. yanukovych's maidan, who fled, and someone else could support it, lived in the atmosphere there, and maybe here after all, it was necessary to fight for the republic, yes, that is , there was a slightly different vibe than then, and already with the establishment of ukraine there on these territories and it began to change, then there was a lot of mistrust, i remember we even came to the village of luhansk with volunteers, came to the house, left it and left. to the house there, well, to talk with the children, that’s all, we go out, our wheel tires are punctured, well, someone a peasant from the local cossacks passed by and then

said that we are cossacks, we surrender, well , it was a little strange, but we understood very well the rules of survival at that time, not to stay until dark, not to drive on those roads that you do not know, you cannot there is nothing to keep them as much as possible. such neutrality and not entering into any conflicts, and having such a more constructive attitude, please, what are the needs, what is needed, for children to go to school, gather, not freeze, gather everything, and with sometimes already this adjustment and sometimes yes they see from you that you are some kind of adequate person and people have already opened up and did not have this kind of... fear, how did the children react? was something that you still remember from those first outings, what a child impressed you with? and children are like children everywhere, it was more impressive

this adaptation, yes adaptation, but the reality is that people are adapting to the war, and children are playing on the playgrounds, and there is some kind of cannonade, there are children going down the hill, there are windows in the school... they put new ones, because it is necessary to start, and this is such a carrier of life and death, and there is no other way out but to adapt, to adapt, because you don’t see your other life anywhere, and watching how childhood can continue, even in war conditions, well, that was the biggest thing, it continues, just in other circumstances and in other data, but it continues anyway. they are children who like to run, and they run, it’s just that there they bring out flowers from the bushes, i don’t know, and there they give me hailstones from the bushes when they are turned,

yes, a deer, i found a hailstone, my heart is in my heels, and, but, well it reality, the awareness of the fact that life continues anyway, it was the most, probably the brightest, this is something that can only be seen in reality in... reality, you can't read it, as you understood, but who reacts harder to war, who rethinks, experiences, lives longer, children or adults? a family in which the children are surrounded by love, and somehow everyone holds on like this and more on such and such a positive thing, they could hold on there much more easily and perceive that okay, now this is a necessity, so now to live to accumulate their efforts, therefore, probably, in general, it is simply that children do not have such a long life experience as

adults, yes, if an adult loses his apartment, for which he worked for 20 years, well, this is definitely a much more stressful event for him , than there a child at the age of 6 may not understand the value of this apartment in which she lived, and they live in another apartment, that is, here because the children do not have so much. experience of the past, a peaceful life, it is often much more difficult for adults to perceive such a change, such events, such and such a loss, that is, with on this side, there to adults, well , it seemed to me, when children helped adults on the contrary and became a support, is this normal? yes, yes, it's normal, it 's normal, because it's not normal, it's war, anything that helps fight the war is normal, it's normal to stand up, it's normal to cry. it's normal to be hysterical, depressed, to blame everyone, everything is normal, abnormal, it's war. probably, the war can teach many people how to not be attached to

material things. no matter how painful it is, but the first thing you lose, most likely , is everything material that you have earned, and you somehow have to start living, yes, in new circumstances, and accept this loss, well, maybe children always remind us of such no more value of intangibles things, but for a child , we all know, an expensive toy is not as important to a child as the time that dad or mom will spend playing with this toy, you wrote about what you have in publications, on social networks... that children should be allowed to speak, for me, for example, as for a soldier at the front, there was a problem, because i censored myself, and would i harm the child if i asked her about something, because their stories were such that they saw how their relatives could be injured by shrapnel, how their mother died, how shells exploded, they talked about it very everyday , well, war

is war when they shoot. and the projectiles are lying in the middle of their house, there are documents, a first-aid kit, you say that they should be allowed to say all this about the war, and why and does it not harm them if you ask them about some events that were traumatic? well, you see, there are two two here different such moments, giving the right to speak, to experience one's emotions is important, but the circumstances are important. in which it takes place, and first of all it should be a safe space, a so-called, yes, a safe environment, in which you can talk about it, the filming just might not contain that kind of yes, security setting, so before any appearance, even you really need to approach a child on television very, very carefully, because a child may want to tell you everything, but his life may deteriorate after someone sees him on on the screen, it can recognize something and it can.

in principle, it is wrong to somehow affect even her safety, that is why it is right when a journalist asks himself 10 times whether it is appropriate to interview a child and even if she wants to tell him everything, whether it is appropriate to let it all out and publish it, therefore that the safety of the child is key, and secondly, not every child there, communicating with a stranger in front of the camera is a normal event, that's when we talk about the fact that in order to live certain events. children have a desire to somehow live, to emote, or to tell about them, then this is a situation when - there is this space of trust, there is an adult who knows how to behave with a child if he is intercepted by emotions or choked by certain traumatic memories, how not to lead the discussion in such a way that the child is really traumatized and traumatized, and how not to question too much, just eh... the details

of the event, if the child already has the feeling that she is already talking about something so personal, then ask, and you were scared there, and what do you remember from that, well, that's probably only specialists can ask such and such questions and that, if it is this is necessary, because i am not talking about the fact that we want to hear everything that happened to the children. and the fact that children have a desire to tell something, and when we stand in the position of an adult who simply gives them space for what they want to tell us, often it is not exactly what interests us, because we can get there by children with a very specific question: what did the people of denieriv do here when they came to your village, we may be interested in this, and the child may need to tell about how she said goodbye to her cat or

dog when she was leaving home. therefore, here an adult needs to work with his curiosity, and firstly, for what, secondly, as tolerantly and ethically as possible, and what does this give the child when she spoke this, well, not only spoke, she can draw, it is about the right to be together with your experiences, because often, even in our society, there is such a mentality, such a set, to keep everything to yourself, and you, boy, why are you crying, boy. this is basically a ban on any manifestation of your pain, your pity or your joy, anything, so it's more about even our mindset of empowering children.