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not only for territories, it is also a war for minds, we are engaged in propaganda, russia millions throws petrodollars to turn ukrainians into little russians. ukraine will become russia. let's counter the information attacks of the russians in the chronicles of information war project with olga len. on monday, tuesday. thursday at 17:15 on the espresso tv channel. hello, this is svoboda ranok, an informational project of radio svoboda. top guests every day. this is the korabelny district of kherson. turn on live. we are somewhere in the vicinity of bakhmut.
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we tell the main thing on weekdays at 9:00. vasyl zima's big broadcast. this is a big ether, my name is vasyl zima and we are starting. two o'clock air time two hours of your time. we will discuss many important topics today. two hours to learn about the war. now we will talk more about the war. serhiy zgurets is with us, but what does the world live on? now, yuriy fizar, yuriy good evening, will talk in more detail about what happened in the world. please, you have the word. two hours to catch up. economic news. time to talk about money in wartime. oleksandr morchivka is with us. alexander, congratulations, please. and sports news. review of sports events from yevhen pastukhov. two hours in the company of your favorite presenters. thank you very much to elina chechenii for the information about cultural news. presenters who have become like relatives to many. natalka didenko is ready to tell us about the weather on advent day. and also distinguished guests of the studio. andriy parubiy, people's deputy of ukraine, was also the chairman of the verkhovna rada of ukraine. events of the day in two hours. vasyl's air
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in the winter is a project for intelligent and caring people in the evening at espresso. the espresso channel and ukrainian pen present the self- titled project with myroslava barchuk. a series of conversations with ukrainian and western intellectuals who interpret and comment on the most relevant social discussions. we will find out exactly what news the guests of the project will analyze this week and who will be the guest of the studio this sunday. undoubtedly, the topics will be relevant. special guests, own names with myroslava barchuk. sunday, 17:10 at espresso. i knew there would be a war. vacation trains were organized. and these trains went through kyiv to the west. many people went to the carpathians. everyone understood that the carpathians are there far, and there is a chance of missiles arriving there.
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very small, that's where we met maria for the first time, but you can't get out here with an ordinary car, a shelter is a shelter, it's a shelter from disaster, it's... from genocide, it's preservation, it's preservation of oneself in order to preserve the future, it's preservation others, who together with you will rebuild this future, we must be strong, i tell myself this every day, and so that we can help others.
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congratulations, good evening, my name is myroslav barchuk, this is a program of my own name, and this... in a joint project of the espresso tv channel and ukrainian foam. today we will continue to talk about ukrainian kyiv of the beginning of the 20th century, about kyiv addresses of the ukrainian revolution of 17-21 years. we will talk about this book. and two of
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its three authors are visiting me today. it was written by yaroslav faizulin - historian, maxim mayorov and oleksandr kocheruk - historian. today we have yaroslav faizulin, who is the director of the central state historical archive of ukraine. congratulations, mr. yaroslav. oleksandr kucheruk, head of the national department museum of the history of ukraine. congratulations, mr. oleksandr. thank you for coming, and maksym mayorov will obviously be with us at the presentation, right? because in a few days this book will be presented in a bookstore, the book is published by komora, it is beautiful. we will talk about her and that. and especially about the history of ukrainian kyiv at the beginning of the 20th century and about the addresses of the ukrainian revolution that are in kyiv, but first i will ask you this: here i am a kyiv child who grew up on the imperial myth of kyiv, so we all in soviet school and
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not only and even in the post-soviet period times all 30 years saw kyiv through the eyes of bulgakov's hero. nikolky turbin, who is not tychyny, but nikolky turbin, who walked through kyiv during the ukrainian revolution and hated the ukrainian elements, and hated petlyur, and hated the ukrainian government. why did the imperial myth of kyiv persist for so long and prove to be so stable? who will start? mr. alexander. well, several reasons, one of the reasons that this myth found its support. in that stratum of kyivans who were not kyivans, they came here from different areas, from different quietly party structures and so on, oh and for them, they came here with such a mission that they will live in the soviet union, so to speak, in some kind of this environment, for
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them everything ukrainian was foreign, alien, and for them it was more pleasant and interesting to see some of them there or someone there is a turbine or something or something like that. for them, ukrainian was completely foreign to them, although, like it , it was not foreign to them, but that ukrainian kyiv was holding on and it was not going anywhere, and it only seemed so at first glance, at some point, that it was not there, in fact he was in to everything, starting from the elementary air, ending with the same streets, about which someone knew and someone could tell and explain that this is where the aunt or uncle was, there was some ukrainian er... so to speak, presence in this, and this russian world was slowly, slowly rotting , deteriorating , and the imperial debris was already beginning to pour out of it, and in the end it crumbled, and now we see it in toponymy, and in the public, and in the language of communication,
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and in everything to another, i'm sorry, i'll explain what we're showing, look, that's it that in the middle of the year we showed the tv series "white guard", which... was already filmed somewhere in 2008-2009, it was filmed by the russian director snezhkin based on the script, by the way, by oleksandr rednyansky from kyiv. and not according to the script, according to the production, and the script is also written by maria marina kiyan and serhiy dyachenkov, and this is a terrible series, in principle, in its ukrainophobia, in my opinion, yes, that is, it is a series that shows the petlyurians as simply such beasts, and many media, i remember how the media reacted to this filming of this series, they were fascinated that the russian actors, russian producers, that's how russian directors shoot here, and it was all like that... and it was presented so beautifully, why did it happen, mr. yaroslav, well, it seems to me
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that you yourself have already answered this question. the fact is that this imperial myth, despite the fact that the empire was destroyed, was constantly supported by the soviet government, this imperial myth did not harm the soviet government in any way, on the contrary, the events of the ukrainian revolution , ukrainian figures, ukrainian history, they were silenced in every way, it was presented as something something petty bourgeois, mil. which was not supported by society, and in general soviet propaganda preferred not to talk about it, and the pro-ukrainian people's republic and the act of secession, these were taboo topics and topics practically forgotten, let's recall how the history of the ukrainian revolution returned to science, to everyday life, the first such timid steps were carried out only there at the end of the 80s, for the first time they began to mention mykhailo hrushevskyi, his rehabilitation took place, further... and the figure of simon petlyura remains one of the ambiguous figures,
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despite the fact that a huge number of books, articles, and documentaries have been written about petliura, until now this figure is perceived very ambiguously in society, and this, again, is the result of imperial and later soviet propaganda, sorry, here we have to add to what was said that the ukrainian element, the ukrainianness, was rendered comical, in a way that was not worthy, well, in such a way that you can only laugh with it, and what about dumplings, dumplings and anything like that, in this book, i read this book, most of it, and let me remind you that these are the kyiv addresses of the ukrainian revolution of the 17th-21st years, and... it turns out that every old building in the city center, in the center of kyiv, and not only in the center of kyiv, that is,
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all the old buildings, they is it related to the ukrainian revolution and the government of that time, what happened at the askold grave at the beginning of the century, at the beginning of the 20th century? necropolis on askold's grave - it was one of the oldest kyiv necropolises, if i'm not mistaken, it dates back to the 18th century, and it was one of... the most prestigious, the most prestigious of the kyiv cemeteries, patrons simyrenko, tereshchenko, vasyl ternovskyi are buried there , i think that it was precisely because it was one of the most prestigious cemeteries, as it is now , for example, a fairy-tale cemetery, that is why it was decided to bury the krutians there, after the battle under the cliffs to a commission went to krutiv to search for the remains, these bodies were brought to kyiv, and the burial took place in kyiv on march 19, 18. year and the funeral procession moved from the train station from dvirets past the pedagogical museum,
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the building of the central council, and the first performance mykhailo hrushevskyi was right next to the building of the central council, where he spoke words about how sweet it is to die there for the motherland, and by the way, he drew attention to the fact that on this day, when we bury heroes, participants in the battle under cliffs, we remove a two-headed man to great shame eagle from the pedagogical building. the museum of the building of the central rada, or the building of the central rada, because this building was created as a pedagogical museum, it was built there from 1908 to 1911, during the ukrainian revolution it was the building of the ukrainian central rada, but not only of the central council, the general secretariat, the first government of ukraine, met in the same building, the meeting of political parties took place there, in this building, by the way, the ukrainian academy of arts was created in the same building. in the vestibule of this building in january, february, in january of 18th year
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, the formation of this auxiliary smoking of sich shooters took place, and then these guys went into battle under the rocks, well, you paid more attention to the house in this building, it must be said that there was even such a period, that mykhailo hrushevsky and his family lived there, in there was an apartment in the basement, and they lived there after the bolsheviks burned down their house on pankivskyi street. you know, there is already so much in this building that, on the other hand , it is even surprising why the bolsheviks of the soviet period did not destroy it, both there and in this same building. we remember that it was supposed to be destroyed, there was explosives were planted, and it was supposed to explode in september of 1941 in the same way as the khreshchatyk exploded, but it was demined and thus this house was saved, and another one, now probably to our shame, but in kyiv it is impossible to name a better place to build a museum of ukrainian state formation, precisely because in this building,
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in fact, it was the epicenter of ukrainian state formation during the ukrainian revolution, you know. when the museum of the ukrainian revolution was working there, a small one in this room, one of the visitors, an ordinary man, he looked like that , he looked at all this, he says, you know, he says, the navel of ukrainian statehood is buried here, here is a simple man, yes, that’s right on your words, the previous answer was like this, and i'm going back to these historical parallels, and exactly one year ago, a russian rocket actually hit this very building... and near the taras shevchenko monument, very, very close, and exactly all these buildings that you write about in this book, so they were all damaged, damaged the windows in taras shevchenko university during
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the ukrainian revolution took place in this university. worked at the ukrainian national university, during the time of hetman pavlo skoropatsky from the mykolaiv military school, he moved to the shevchenko university of the ukrainian state university, then from on one side, the yellow building of the university, if i am not mistaken, the first ukrainian gymnasium and later the ministry of national education operated there, on the other side, the presidium of the ukrainian academy of sciences, in the 17th year the ukrainian general military committee worked there, which... was responsible for ukrainization troops, and later the ukrainian academy of sciences was established there, by volodymyr vernatskyi, mykola vasylenko, agathangel ukrainskyi and many other figures, and opposite the building of the central rada. yes, you know, this is a piece of volodymyrska street, we tried it to conduct tours there, to walk from the house, from the shevchenko monument to sofiyivska
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maidan, it took us two hours, because there is not a house there, some kind of... before that, the franzois hotel. so in this hotel francois, it is not surprising why the hotel, when the ukrainian government was established, kyiv was a provincial city, there were no buildings and facilities for such institutions, and therefore gymnasiums, schools were used, and just in the hotel frantsov, no wonder the first maritime ministry of the ukrainian people's republic, actually, which was in charge, was say, mastering the black sea fleet and the like, but i correctly remember that this is my new knowledge from this book, that this very russian newspaper kyivskaia was already printed there, i think in the next
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house, in the next house, and here i have questions about the kyiv thought, this kyiv... think, it was a very russian newspaper and it was focused on the russian-language about the russian population of kyiv, absolutely, because it is closed, a kyivan, a kyivan, it was like that and headed by the editor vasily shulgin, it was like that black hundred edition, an absolutely ukrainophobic edition , i.e. the kyiv think tank was very liberal compared to the kyivans, and actually the kyiv think tank was the first to provide information about the creation of the ukrainian central council, they were quite... not far from where the entrance to the zoloti vorota metro station was, there was a family of associations , and the first series of meetings took place in the premises of the family association, as a result of which the ukrainian central council was created, and as the lawyer says, the lawyers all know a little about how to do it better, ee sinytskyi, what, what did we leave with the king
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old, one more, so one of the founders of the central council, and because of that they went a little further to this newspaper. oh and they paid money to make it happen faster and gave their text that there was an award for, on the second day this message appeared in the newspaper, the newspaper had a large circulation, it was distributed all over ukraine, and everyone already knew that yesterday in the company a family, everyone knew well where these societies and families were, it was the center of ukrainianism at the time when the central council was created, you know, and by the way, this is the problem, we say about kyivska... not only to remember them, but to remind about the need to memorialize these places, that is, when you wrote this book, yes, the idea was to actually... not only to tell, yes, but for that , in order to influence the names of the streets, the age of commemoration and the commemoration, for example, for some reason, we still have
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a memorial plaque to the russian prime minister vita, but it has not gone anywhere, or to the general, today i saw him to someone else there to the soviet general, but stay, at the house where she was, where it all began our modern history, there is no memorial plaque. unfortunately, you know, it turns out that a lot is written about the ukrainian revolution, but it is written somehow impersonally and aloof, as if the events happened by themselves, where they happened inexplicably, so when writing this book, we tried to tell the story of the revolution through the history of the city and tell about the history of the city in the context of the ukrainian revolution, show where the authorities worked , where ukrainian figures lived and worked, where meetings of political parties, public organizations , where rallies, demonstrations took place, where people went to these rallies, demonstrations, where
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battles took place, and i must say, well, in this book, information is given about 162 locations, and again, this book, it is absolutely not exhausts this topic, because what i meant was that in the time of the... kyiv citizens address the ukrainian revolution, and i am convinced that it will give an impetus to further research and the following books will be published, which will be more complete, in which there will be more locations, we are on our side, our mission was to give an impetus to this process, and on the other hand, really lead to draw attention to... to ukrainian, ukrainian in fact, to the fact that kyiv was a ukrainian city, that ukrainian government was here, ukrainian statehood was created here, and in this way
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to encourage the designation of these places, because , for example, we come to european capitals, we go through warsaw, prague, paris, and there, the history is marked very densely, on the houses, annotated boards, memorial tables, unfortunately, we do not have this. and this is , and this is our history, this is atmosphere , this is our upbringing, eh, and here you know, one more task of this, well, not just to read the book, but we would imagine and want that a person, having bought after reading this book , she wanted to go see it, but she takes the book and reads there, the street, er, dikhterivska street , five, and what was there, and i will go there to look, or vice versa, she sees a house and looks into the book and you it turns out that there was ukrainian, but kyiv is still not a city of russian schaits, and kyiv is the spiritual, national, historical, cultural capital of ukraine, it is a very good idea, i don't know
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whose idea it was, to submit a map with the march with places marked and - by code, the map is a map, there is a qr code, and for each location there is some quote from those times, yes or about those times, yes about those ... actions, some personal memories, letters, something skoropatsky says, some a quote from a newspaper at the time, and it was very much a blog, a photo, yes, so an explanation, something historical reference, plus some source, for example, well, the same building where the ministry of foreign affairs was, there are so many memories on tereshchenkiv street on tereshchensky and, where the art gallery is now, this is the tereshchenka building. well, well, everyone knows, you know, it’s interesting that there are memories , where what was, here we went there specifically to look inside, the minister’s office was here, oh, here was
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the reception, here was the consular department, here that was, it was in addition to the external, we also wanted the internal filling to appear, or the ministry, the modern museum of literature, this is galagan's former collegium, and for us it is the most, in which, in which not only. not only franko was there , there is a memorial plaque hanging there, here it was the office of the minister, in particular petliura, and then porsha was in this, in this building, we used to shoot a movie there, you know, and for those who shot the movie, for them it was a discovery, and we want this discovery to become available to everyone who comes to kyiv, who lives in kyiv, that we have not only places where i lived there, i will not even last name to call this or that so to speak. some russian writer or hero, this is an entire ukrainian city, we can say that we were even forbidden, forbidden to talk about it in soviet times, please tell
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us about it... tolstoy once came here to some there to beer or i don't know what it's for, there's a street and a board and everything , and you know, you know, i want to ask you about that too, look what i've noticed for a long time, but yesterday when i read this book to me again actually it was confirmed everywhere there were, let's say, ukrainian necropolises or some places of battles of the dead and so on , why did the soviets always roll it into asphalt, that at the oskodova grave, that in the mariinsky park, that in babyny yar, that's how they made the workers' recreation park, that's how they did it on oskoldova grave, few people even know that this is a former large cemetery, yes, and they did it in mariinsky park, which oleksandr kucheruk has a book about mariinsky necropolis, the necropolis of mariinsky park, where in
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fact. this is a place of burials, a place of executions, please tell me what it is the location, the marinsky par, what they, too , they themselves created this necropolis at first, that is, they buried the participants of the bolshevik demonstration there in november 17, then the participants of this bolshevik for mutiny at the arsenal already in january 18, later they were there participants of the battle near motovylivka were also buried, that's when the unr directorate returned.
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it was precisely during the bolshevik invasion, when the moravian troops captured here, he was alone in the palace, there was their pond itself, there was their check, and there are memories of who was there, who, who, there it came to such dozhahs, for example, there he describes that these same people are walking, and the ant is a parka and says, look what nice boots he has, come here, he says, and you , what kind of boots do you give the women. .. they shot, took away the boots and threw them away, and there was such an episode that they didn’t really bury them there, it smelled like they buried a little, and when it was already warm in the summer, there was a stench, and the place, local residents wrote and complained, do something, because it is impossible to live, and then for a certain period in pechersk even the price of apartments fell very sharply because no one wanted to live in this in this in this stench, and the fact that they liquidated in
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more... there was an absolute dislike for the historical burden, they destroyed these cemeteries not only because they had a park there, that there were not many parks, but to destroy the memory, the memory, and in the 19th year there was such a resolution, i met it, the decision to transfer the cemetery to vegetable gardens, ugh, you know, i grow it, and in general, if we are talking about this period of muova occupation. kyiv there, from june 7 to february 7, 18, until march 1 , hundreds of people were really destroyed there, and reburials took place in march from the anatomical theater, and relatives searched for their relatives, and if i am not mistaken, on march 10, 18 , burials took place at the zvirynetsky cemetery yes, this is verkhnya street, and there is a photo of how these poho burials took place, and
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this photo is often used. confused with the burial of the participants in the battle , it is clear that the zvirynetsk cemetery is written on those photos - it is on pechersk and verkhnya street, please tell me dear, how are you? i have a question for yaroslav faizulin: how do you feel about the fact that i correctly understand that now and still in this mariinsky park, even after there were terrible battles there and the participants of the revolution of dignity were beaten and killed also in february in the 14th year, there are no ukrainian labels there, i understand correctly that there are no ukrainian labels there, but already in 2017, after all that happened during the revolution of dignity, it appears there on the initiative of the management of the inter tv channel, anna bezlyudna and others leaders, there appears a monument to anna akhmatova, actually a russian writer, despite her origin in odesa, but appears...
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