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i want to tell you that another 1,000 has been added to our account, that is, in total, as of this morning, you and i have already collected 16,000 hryvnias, don't stop, our marathon continues, at least andrey and i will be in it for another hour and a half, you can throw us a little more, not for our military money, but it's nice, and we're very happy about it when we get that money in our account. moreover, svyatoslav pavlyuk is already in touch with us, mr. svyatoslav, we welcome you, mr. svyatoslav, can you hear us, because we can see you and even hear some chatter. good afternoon, i can't hear you and i can't seem to see you, i don't have a good connection today, so blame it, we are sitting without electricity, and i i work through a mobile phone. wow, that's how the expert on energy efficiency is sitting without a light, it's some kind. scheduled outages

, well, it’s hard for me to say, they’re just not in the office , but we have some equipment here, it just turned off, we’re trying to switch something there, but so far there is no, that is, the internet is not working, let’s say, all smart people installed optical line, we didn't have time, well, but we're glad that we can talk with you, it's clear that the connection is a little worse, well, but anyway, mr. svyatoslav, actually a few days that's why there was... information that there is a shortage of electricity in ukraine, and in fact, they borrowed a little from romania, from poland, and appealed to people so that people use electricity wisely, save money, so that they don't have to sit around later without electricity what are our reserves, what are our prospects for this winter.

"i practically can't hear you, i'm terribly sick of your sound, if i can repeat it, i'll be very grateful to you, actually lesya asks what, what are your expectations for this winter, so i'm really speaking louder, i don't know if it's in this there is a sense, and this winter will be difficult, after all , well, i don't know anything..." i will open the fact that we currently have a deficit, well, if it is an expected deficit, the fact that, well, it was absolutely clear, if by 40% of electricity out of order, nuclear and thermal, so it is difficult to expect that we will have a completely comfortable provision, and at the same time, the fact that we are now receiving some kind of emergency aid, it can have two reasons, the first, well, what we have the deficit of own production is obvious, and the second is what ukrenergo is trying to save

fuel for those moments when we will be really bad, because january and february will be, as is traditional, bad months. it's also low temperatures and now, as soon as the temperatures hit a little lower outside, people turned on the electric heaters en masse and the network started to sag, that's why we took emergency help every day in a row, and in my opinion, the fact that we take it, well here can have two components, but we have no other way out, b- we can save fuel and not burn the same gas, yes, which can be useful for us in february, since open data on stocks. there is no use, ukrenergo does not submit to the control room, as it was before, complete data on production and consumption, so it is very difficult to draw accurate conclusions there, in any case, the only thing we can, well, we have two things, which we can do it, we can, well, just

rely on ukrenergo and the energy workers in that they understand what they are doing, not always here, well, the heart is allowed to do it, seeing all the previous ones there are some... stories from the preparation of the honey field for the season and the second is to do something at the level of our houses, our apartments, the fact that we can really do something where we have an influence on it, so something like this, if we talk about the energy efficiency week that started today, please tell us about this initiative , what is it about? well, actually, we are not the initiators of it, so it is difficult for me to say what the organizers put there. but well, we have always tried to hold energy efficiency days and sustainable energy days in the summer, that is, it may be a good opportunity to start doing them in the winter, then it is more convenient for people, they they begin to understand what it's like to be cold and what it's like when there is no heat and no light, they begin to treat it

more responsibly, let's say it like this, it might be a good idea to do it especially in winter, people like it more then, at the same time to do something in the winter is already quite difficult, but... the idea of ​​such events is to draw attention to the problem of energy efficiency in general, to stimulate people to do something, at the same time, it is also an opportunity to conduct a dialogue with politicians, with the parliament, with the ministry in order to create some support tools activities in the field of energy efficiency, because at the moment we are only creating obligations, there are no tools to do this. mr. svyatoslav, here are these appeals to people to save... electricity, so as not to sit in the dark and in the cold afterwards, they act, they work, ukrainians have become a little more aware due to the fact that we now have a full-scale an invasion due to the fact that the russians are targeting our critical infrastructure. no, the internet doesn't miss my

questions, come on, come on... i'd better ask something, mr. svyatoslav, if you can hear me, president shmegal, my god, the president , prime minister shmegal said back in the spring that uah 400 billion is going to compensate the tariffs for the population, this is a huge amount, i don't know, you can buy 10 million, for example, 155 mm shells, and accordingly, the moratorium according to forecasts... will be in effect until 2025, in your opinion, is this moratorium expedient until the 25th year, because in this case, there will be huge shortfalls in the budget, we spend money on compensation,

taxes are raised everywhere , when we say that people forgot about the war, they forgot about the war, v including because tariffs are not rising. well, the trouble is that this raising tariffs to their realistically justified level, the market level, it is postponed every year, every disgraceful season, because now is not the time, because there are elections, and then covid, and now the war, and we we don't raise, and every time this, it creates an incredible burden on energy companies, which actually can't plan their work in the end, they can't... uh, it's normal to purchase fuel, to modernize, but this also has a colossal, colossal , the biggest, in my opinion, the biggest such consequence is that by subsidizing energy, we are actually killing, we are playing against energy efficiency, because if we

make it cheaper simply from the budget with budget funds or there on the electricity market, we we burden system operators with this, and in fact companies pay for it all, so we demotivate people to save, because they do not feel this process of payback, this is one part of the problem, and the other part of the problem of support tools. no that is, we have an energy efficiency fund, which is not financed for the fourth year , no money has been pledged for the year 2024, programs such as large-scale thermal modernization, such as the installation of individual standard points for everyone, warm loans, they are, well, all this is killed, it is absolutely no no no no is financed , does not work, and we do not physically have the opportunity for people to engage in neuroefficiency, because even banks do not provide loans until recently, or the state... okrugazbank provides it at 30%, that is, these are not the right numbers, these are not the right rates, which people can follow

deep thermal modernization, therefore, in my opinion , there is no energy efficiency policy in the country , the adoption of a law on energy efficiency is not a policy, it is simply the creation of a certain regulatory base, it is the creation of certain obligations, who should do what, but according to the creation of these obligations opportunities must also be created, that is, there are so-called thin infrastructures. enablement and support infrastructure, so it will be possible such and such work when the funding program appears, when the training programs for specialists appear, which will be to be done when energy managers appear in cities and they will be given the authority to initiate these certain processes, that is, there is a mass, a mass, in addition to money, a mass of other activities that must be done in order for this activity to begin, so far it has not started well, at the very end, i want to ask about something completely different, i just

also read, i am subscribed to you on facebook, and i read your interesting post about the survey of transparency international, which deals with issues of anti-corruption activities in ukraine, and it was said that 88% of ukrainians are in the future reconstruction. sees corruption as a bigger problem, and actually you did not argue here that this is the main problem , in fact, corruption for ukraine, i found this opinion interesting, mr. svyatoslav, what is it about, what is the problem, that 88% believe that corruption is the biggest problem in in ukraine, i wrote about this, in my opinion, just a conversation about the fact that corruption in ukraine is terrible, corruption in ukraine is big, of course it exists, but if... i look at neighboring poland, i look at i will look at hungary, i will look at germany , i will look again at the states, it is also there

, that is, the recognition that corruption exists in our country should not be accompanied by self-flagellation to the point that we , well, we actually drive ourselves into a state when we don't do anything about those sufferings, that is, we stop and we believe that... we are the worst country and this glory goes ahead of us, and at the same time, we have investigative journalism, we have anti-corruption , both the courts and the prosecutor's office begin to act, in principle, well, i'm not, i'm not deeply immersed in the activities of anti-corruption bodies, but i think that it is necessary to distinguish very strongly between the concept of corruption as such, incompetence, which dominates all these... cases very often, and also distinguish between the creation of organized criminal groups, which

simply go banal to the government in order to steal this or that part of the property or money or flows, and i would not consider it corruption, well, that is, the last journalistic material that was made public about sennichenko's work as the head of the foundation state property, which is actually a creation. to organize a criminal group that came there to steal money, that is, it was not about corruption, in my opinion , but if we are talking about reconstruction, then it seems to me that every week some conferences take place, this is already a conference the industry is already starting to get tired, to be honest, but the conversation about what reconstruction awaits us and what we should do with this reconstruction, they rest on the fact that there is no special understanding of what to do, first of all, the war is not over. secondly we are not we understand the extent of the damage , we don't understand when we will get this control over the cities that are occupied and this whole

complex of problems and who will be left there and what will we plan, so the basic problem is the lack of understanding of what to do and people start exchanging their fears , uh, what is it, what is the biggest problem, that corruption, that is already the case, it is such an acquired helplessness, and what is your problem, here is corruption, and we helplessly talk about it, instead of .. in principle, start preparing personnel in order to it could be done, firstly, cities must have all electronic documentation, secondly, they must have plans, what to do in the first place, because they have a huge, especially in the east, a huge drain on themselves. to rebuild, i saw several plans for rebuilding, well, we simply had 20 schools, 20 schools to rebuild, we had 30 satkas, 30 satkas to rebuild, that is, it goes roughly like this, just the objects that we had, we have them to rebuild, that's what the plans look like, but at the same time, the outflow of the population is colossal, there is an outflow of workers colossal, there are not enough specialists in cities to plan something, and the actual

problem is that if we can't plan properly, if we can't... cities, we said this to many companies in ukraine, too, in cities there is a lack of qualified personnel in order to, well, create a normal technical task for designers in order for them to be able to design something well modern, especially this applies to thermal systems there, especially this applies to some infrastructure networks and buildings in the end also heating systems, heat supply, energy supply, and here we start to slip, we don't have people who can competently set technical ... tasks, then we don't have people who can properly implement them, and as a result , we build something that is crooked sorry, everyone just goes around complaining that corruption is bad and not working, the problem is the lack of qualified personnel who can actually build this chain, plan, project, procurement conditions, procurement, implementation, technical supervision, that's all we have in

sufficient amount, there is no amount, and actually this is where the biggest problem is, i would be more... concerned about it than than corruption, very nicely someone mentioned that for every two hryvnias stolen, there may be five simply wasted , and that's why i would still look more at our ability to organize and do something in general, and corruption should be dealt with by those bodies that have already been created, first of all we need to have something to do and by whom to do it, which is very well, thank you for this answer, the only thing i would allow myself to do is... to ask, well, but that that there are not qualified personnel very often, is this not also the result of the fact that the system itself is corrupt, including what concerns the selection, attraction of people, conducting competitions, this is a multifactorial situation, we have had a picture for several years, well, i, well, i

will still say that the lack of normal... market relations in the energy sector, in communal services, causes people to leave, that is, for a normal welder, tractor driver, there is an excavator, he has, well, no field of work, not only there is kyiv region, it has to to portugal, this is a field of work, he can go and work there and get just a lot more salary, and people often did this at least before the war, now the war has taken a lot of workers to the front. there are a lot of people, women, who were the main such array of middle-level employees of local self-government bodies, they often left with their children to the countries of the european union and they are simply, well, a banal shortage of people, of course, there is no such thing, of course, thank you very much for the conversation, svyatoslav pavlyuk was with us,

let's talk now the executive director of the association of the city of ukraine, well, we are now going to the next conversation. the next conversation will be with anastasia abramets, editor-in-chief of the memory memorial platform, which is actually engaged in verifying and publishing the stories of those people whose lives were cut short by russian aggression, not only military, but also civilians, keeping records and writing about who are these people, and it's actually interesting to know how ukrainians are reacting to such a story now, or is it still hurting them? that there are fewer ukrainians, we are waiting for their appearance ms. anastasia is on our air, very briefly , but it is, ms. anastasia, i understand that it is in particular about the creation of a national military memorial cemetery, the council approved 300 votes, more than even the construction of such a cemetery on the odesa highway, they believe

that this, is this a good idea, why do many soldiers... and their families think that this is an insult to the national heroes of the construction of this memorial cemetery, ms. anastasia, your opinion, and actually we talked with the relatives of the dead, invited them to our office, and where does this opinion come from, mine such an opinion is very subjective, this whole issue with the construction of a military national cemetery has been very long, and accordingly, relatives, some of whom keep the ashes of their children or their husbands at home, they have already experienced this trauma very much, and because of this, apparently, they came to such an opinion that this is contempt and... and as much as they do not accept this idea, i think that the problem is actually that the issue with the place of construction was resolved for a very long time, and we were promised this cemetery in the spring of the 23rd year, already

soon spring of the 24th year, and only now the first preparatory stages are beginning, i think there is another moment, i will interrupt you, was there a previous decision that this cemetery, a national memorial, should be in the side yard, and why was it decided? then the construction on the odesa highway, there is also a completely incomprehensible moment, well actually for the relatives of the side, it was not the best option either, because the relatives of the victims, well, i can’t speak about all of them, but this active community, in fact defenders from azov and also others they wanted the people who joined them in kyiv itself, but since the authorities says that there is not enough in kyiv, because we must understand that this cemetery will be large enough. and a lot of space is really needed, a bullpen was proposed, but later it turned out that there are unexplored remains, unexplored burials, and while they

will be taken out and investigated, it will be delayed even later, as an alternative they actually offered the territory on the odesa highway in the gotniaan community, but it is quite far from kyiv, it is not very convenient for commuting, and therefore... this causes certain protests and dissatisfaction among people. last week ukrainians on facebook very actively discussed the appearance of the figure of oleksandr matsievskyi. i won't say it's a sculpture, because really experts will agree that it's not a sculpture. a sculpture is something made of stone, bronze or other material, but not a wax figure. oleksandr matsievskyi, the one who was killed by the russians, the one. whose last words were glory to ukraine, glory to the heroes. and there were many discussions about the fact that such

figures should stand in every city, because ukrainians are beginning to forget about the war and they are beginning to forget about those people who are doing everything possible so that the rest of ukraine can more or less live by itself. live normally, calmly, people who defend ukraine with weapons, do you, like the editor-in-chief of the memory platform, have a memorial, do you have any feeling that this is really here, i don’t know if you can say interest, but this inclusion of ukrainians to the realities in which we now live, that it still remains, that to people, that people have not distanced themselves from the war, as much as it is possible to afford it, i can only say... everything from my very subjective positions, what i see, what i see on our pages, what i see around among my friends, acquaintances, no, i do not see that people are trying to demarcate, of course in two

years, well, it would be a lie to say that we are not tired, that everything is ok and the passion is the same as it was, but i see how people continue to donate, i see that we have had pages blocked twice in the last week, and i see how many people write that we have a problem, that is, they read ... what remains is your attitude to the monument, the so-called, if your, your opinion, in short to formulate, if we talk about my subjective opinion, i am not an urban planner, i am not an architect, such monuments are not symbolic, they upset me, and we have many thousands of dead and we will not be able to cover all places, cities with such monuments , that's why it should take place at open architectural competitions with the convening of communities, in fact, so that the relatives of the dead can... express themselves, you say that the pages of the memorial platform are being blocked, are some russian bots doing it or who? sir, we don't know at the moment, but we have

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