in the ship they say don't get out and just press the buttons there and don't do anything else you see how rahamia pushes us to such a poll, and we ask, now let's look at the intermediate conclusions of our tv viewers, because there are already many viewers, more than 200 voted in ours. surveyed, therefore, 6% trust what they say, 94% do not. well, actually, there is nothing here, perhaps strange, because the level of trust in the verkhovna rada has always been, well, let's say this, not too high in society, am i wrong, mr. volodymyr, no, no, that's right, on the contrary, we have very rarely had situations when, although if the relative majority of ukrainians trusted the verkhovna rada, i remember that after the orange revolution, the situation was the same

in the first months of the war, the current full-scale war. by the way, just two words about arahami. mr. david very often, like akin in the anecdote, what he sees is what he says, do not look for double, triple meanings from him. by the way, because of this, he had unpleasant conversations with zelenskyi and yarmak, so, well, this is the specifics of mr. rahami. mr. viktor, such distrust. to the verkhovna rada, because even our telephone survey shows that very few people trust the verkhovna rada of ukraine, is this a reason to say that the wrong people are sitting in the verkhovna rada, that some re-elections are needed, something to think about it, is there no need to think about it at all, well, during the war, for sure, and the only thing that this demonstrates is that the verkhovna rada in the conditions of the parliamentary-presidential republic, although you call it an office presidential republic, er, well, in principle

, this model does not work, because er, the institution, the verkhovna rada, parliamentarism, well, it simply does not work, and in the current conditions, we simply do not see live broadcasts of the verkhovna rada the council of ukraine, journalists do not go there, they are not allowed, because, well, it is a regime object, and therefore they do not allow what, what can be said about the parliament, as about this institution, which should have been there first. in a parliamentary-presidential republic, people don't trust it not because mr volodymyr said that, as a rule, well, in most cases during the 30 years there, people did not trust the verkhovna rada, yes, because people who work hard, here somewhere they walk around the hall, somewhere they mess around there, somewhere they sometimes arrange fights there or others who go, don't go and...

make some sharp or not so sharp statements, someone in general somewhere there elected a deputy in some majoritarian election and never saw him again, that's why people didn't always trust the verkhovna rada, but this time there and it will be poured additionally, because corruption, later что go to the side of the forest, because someone there tells the grandmother, sell the dog, pay for the light, because, well, yes, yes... hamie says something, and then thinks what, what, what he meant, so mistrust always, mistrust here at a specific moment, yes, again there are rumors there , how much i put in them, well, at least they used to put in an envelope, and all this embitters people, and eh, but, but at the same time, if a new parliament were elected now, here is the new one, and for which they went, voted, then in a week they would ask. do you trust the new parliament

the majority would say, no, that's the way we have people, that's the kind of voter we have, there it would seem , well, why do you vote for people whom you will not trust the day after tomorrow , tomorrow is still okay, yes, the day after tomorrow definitely not, well, well and somewhere, perhaps, deep down, every ukrainian understands that the decision-making center is not the parliament, but the parliament is a decoration and a mess, but decisions are made in a completely different place. place, and that is why, again, there is distrust that 450, well, let's say 400 people are walking, it is not known why, and it is not they who make the decision, although ideas of a parliamentary or presidential republic, they have to make a decision, well, if not in this life, thank you, mr. viktor, mr. igor, during the last week there were a lot of different publications about whether, in fact, there will be elections, or

there will be no president, some closed ratings have appeared, they are rating the candidates, they are looking, well, it is clear that the president's office is looking at how they are perceived there. of president zelensky aiming for a second term, zelensky's wife says she is against a second presidential term, but we see public voting in absentia between zelenskyi and zaluzhny, but these votings take place between different people, who, but not the first persons, already the online edition "ze protiza", there, well, these are already some slogans such pre-election slogans throw there, for. alkaline, according to aaz, well, that is , i think that you, as people who have a relationship with political life, you understand very well that now some models are trying to choose, or lose, well, let's say this, in the conditions of wartime , does this mean that zelensky

still wants to be president for the second time? well, i am i think that he is definitely considering such a possibility, and he talked about it, there was a really strange phrase that if it happens during the war. yes, but if after the war, then no, but we understand very well that such attitudes can change very easily, and by the way, the fact that such work is being carried out indicates that, well, certain preparations are being made , a certain modeling is being conducted, please pay attention, a very interesting moment, these are the ratings that were not officially recognized by the company that supposedly conducted them, but officially not denied that it was not hers, they appeared on which resources from the very beginning. these were resources affiliated with the president's office , that is, in principle, it came from there, it was not some people's deputies or representatives of opposition forces, or some western publications that leaked these ratings, it was done by structures, well, close to the office, that is, they are so somehow decided to look at the reaction,

look at the dynamics, see how society will react to all this, i think that what they saw is unlikely to affect them very much satisfied, why, because many citizens generally had a frank... negative reaction to the fact of the appearance of similar ratings and similar hypothetical polls, since it is about politics and elections, and a large part of citizens, 82% according to the last polls, which were officially published, officially confirmed, they say that there simply cannot be any elections until the end of the war, but you understand, well, you can say one thing, but in reality do something completely different, do certain testing, make certain models, i think that before the new year and immediately after the new year, there will be even more such... models, because there can be completely different configurations, look, there is another point here, president zelenskyy, he cannot now say that he will not run under any circumstances. second, because if he does it, well, you understand how it will affect

the whole system, it will be an absolutely wrong and irresponsible step, and therefore, no matter how we feel, well, due to our different preferences, for example, to the president, to him even from the point of view of peace... for the state to now make unequivocal statements that he is not running for office, well, that would not be very correct, because you understand how the system will work, then not less than 20 deputies will write statements about drawing up mandates, there a simple bacchanalia will begin, and at all levels , and he is forced to take part in this race, and it may be that his environment, well , for some reason, such a thought comes to mind, will eventually convince him that no, it is necessary for any conditions to run for office, even if will the war end when will the war end? the war is still necessary, because the country still needs to be rebuilt, as mr. viktor mentioned, and here many deputies, i think, will support the president, a major reconstruction, there was a major construction, there will be a major reconstruction, this is such a very interesting topic with which you can go down in history, you can really screw up, but you know, mr. igor, i think that president

zelenskyy wants to be the president of victory, not the president of reconstruction and setbacks, this is also a rather, let’s say, slippery issue, a people's deputy is watching us. maria ionova of ukraine writes to me in the chat literally during the broadcast that it is unfair to talk only about those who do not work in the verkhovna rada, there are people's deputies who actually work, and ms. maria, we know that they work and really no no no it is quite correct to say that the entire verkhovna rada is not working, there are people's deputies who are working, including, as she writes, and some even of the servants of the people are actually working, so put... find all the dots, we are not saying, that all the whole parliament is not working. mr. volodymyr, how do you assess all these efforts now, well, i don't know if you can call it pre-election, but let's put it this way, society's testing of these

presidential candidates, and it is clear that in the current situation, mr. igor is right, that you can't not tell zelensky that i won't be. run for a second time, because it will greatly affect the entire society. well, it will certainly be a destabilizing move. i absolutely agree with this, yes, even in peacetime, care. would negatively affect, in particular , the mood in the presidential team, executive to the authorities, in the conditions of a war, a war, especially such a war as it is now, it is absolutely impossible, it cannot be said in any way that i want to go, that is, he cannot do as some deputies want to do, well, i don't think so , in this sense, zelenskyi has a sense of responsibility, and it is quite powerful, but when we assess the situation with the elections... you understand what the nuances are, according to zelenskyi, i will say my subjective point of view, it seems to me that that he himself very

often thinks like a simple average ukrainian, that is precisely his advantage in that he sometimes thinks exactly like an ordinary ukrainian, not always, but when he loses this gift, problems begin, and his attitude towards elections during the war is rather negative, he expressed this not... once he even expressed it emotionally , that it is unfair, wrong to hold elections during war. i think he was sincere about this, but in the team, well, there are probably people who think rationally, who understand that while the ratings are high, it would be better to re-elect now, and not wait for the situation, when there will be a legal opportunity and a formal political... opportunity for elections, but the ratings will no longer be so convincing and there will be a risk of losing these elections.

the mood and the team, as a rule, and it does not matter whether it is war or peace, the team is interested in the fact that the president goes for a second term. for as long as i can remember different presidential teams, there were always such moods, the president should go for a second term. you know, i won't name my name, but here it is... i was at one event, and the employees of one former president they said, you should have gone for another term, he said: no, especially now, i understand that i did the right thing then, i did not go, although they called me there, they even gave me a legal opportunity, but even now, some people say you had to go, that is, the team is always interested in kuchma, tell me right away, because this is the third term in 2002. i did the right

thing by not leaving, i think that it was positive for our democracy, even taking into account, well, at the time the rather dramatic events of the orange revolution, but now why am i i'm talking about the fact that zelensky has different opinions in the team, yes, just like in society there too. some are for the elections, some are against the elections, but i don't think that they are currently testing the situation, i think that now they are more, let's say, worried about the situation at the front, now all their attention is also on the front, as well as the question of help ukraine needs money, it needs weapons, ammunition, this is the main topic, zelensky himself, i think he really, you said correctly, he wants to remain... in history a winner, he does not want to lose this war as a citizen of ukraine, especially

as the president of ukraine. and therefore, i think that now he is not thinking about the elections, but part of the team, yes, can think about the elections. as for the ratings, i think the motivation for these twists was different. this was due to the fact that , well, not entirely correct data appeared in the economist publication regarding trust ratings, just according to zelensky, there is simply nothing there. and for budanov they gave full ratings of trust, or rather, general ratings and full and partial trust, total, and for zelensky they gave only data on complete trust, and it was incorrect, and that is why the presidential team decided, well, somehow to refute these data through leaks, through the demonstration of presidential ratings, especially since the campaign started, in my opinion , is inappropriate now for various reasons, when various... people, some of them sincere, some of them out of political considerations, began to oppose the hard-working zelensky precisely in the context

of the presidential elections, and that is why i think that now we do not need to play with this topic, well, in that context, yes, who will win, should or should not hold elections, that is public opinion, there is an official position of the president, it is not necessary to hold elections during the war, especially during the current escalation of hostilities, which elections? we have to stand now, so let's forget about the election for a while and concentrate on standing now before a new difficult phase of the war. thank you, gentlemen, let's take a not... a little break for just a minute and get back to our studio. problems with the joints limit movement, it is unpleasant and painful. strengthen them with the help of long joints. these are collagen and vitamin sachets c for restoring articular cartilage. dolgit

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youtube and facebook pages. also, take part in our vote. we are today. we ask you about this, do you trust the current verkhovna rada of ukraine? yes, no, please vote, on youtube, everything is quite simple, if you vote by phone, then if you support the current verkhovna rada, or trust it 0800 211 381, no 0800 211 382, ​​all calls are free for you, well we see in-between, polling numbers of 6% trust, 94%, no. today we are visiting. the best political experts of ukraine: volodymyr fisenko, viktor boberenko and ihor reiterovych. we are talking about the internal situation that is developing in ukraine, and the political one, of course, and we are also talking about how the verkhovna rada works in the current conditions, how the president works, and the verkhovna rada and the president have to make quite important decisions,

literally in a few days or in a few months, that's for sure a new plan, or a new law on mobilization, a new law on demobilization, there are two draft laws registered in the verkhovna rada so far of ukraine, and it is clear that the issue is about justice in society, here about the justice of who will be mobilized for the war at the front, who will be demobilized in what way, because for two years people have been in a big war on the russian-ukrainian front and there is no demobilization system yet. because those who are fighting say that there are only two exits from the front, it is either 200 or 300, well, they are joking, black humor, but there is no such demobilization procedure, from mobilization we see how the tsk now went to the gyms, started distribute

summons, that you, gentlemen, are thinking about all this, because this is what will affect, including , the court. to state institutions, to the president, to the verkhovna rada , whether the government will be able to make unpopular decisions in the current conditions, because the issue of mobilization is also not a new draft law on mobilization, it is an unpopular decision, an unpopular decision, when territorial assembly centers go out to catch in people's gyms, that is, how to build fair. to a system in which all who can bear arms, all who must a weapon for him to hold. mr. viktor, let's start with you. well, when tck goes to gyms, it's just a... popular decision, it may not be popular among those who go to gyms, but the majority of people, if only

there, react to it, that everything is right, since you are so strong , sportsman, go, stand up now at the front, eh , as for popular and unpopular decisions, yes, popular for some, unpopular for someone , because... if zelensky signed the law, which was adopted back in may by decreasing from 27 to 25 years of the draft age, when they start to draft , then this would additionally give, well, conditionally, we have the largest generation born in the year 87, but i recently looked, there were somewhere around 380 thousand boys born at that time, yes, it is clear that in the 90s there were already , was less, but it was still more than 300 thousand, that is, you can imagine how many additional, well, an array from which you could choose, but zelensky did not go for it, and

this, because this decision would be unpopular, maybe for these people, for their relatives, who are already not really burning with desire there go to defend ukraine, but it would be a popular decision for the relatives of those who are currently at the front, who need... well, if not, not to be depressed, then at least some time to rest, so that, well, and that, what does the government need to do, first of all, those who have served there for two, two years, to still give additional leave, not just 30 days a year, but also to give there, yes, served two years, and more you have 30 days a year, but for this time it is necessary, it is necessary to be replaced by someone, which means that it is necessary to make unpopular decisions regarding those who... here we have 110,000 on september 1, those over 23 years old entered 110,000 people, and those over 25 years old

entered higher education institutions, perhaps they can now, as it once was, after the first course, students were taken into the soviet army, yes , and now if you follow the same rules, i.e. make the array larger. from whom it would be possible to choose and with whom to fight, if there is a war, then let's let everyone fight, not only certain categories fight, certain categories rest there, and this justice is what the majority of society is waiting for, a smaller number, a smaller part of society, who want to be there like, what are we for a war to the victorious end, but our vanechka is there so that you don't go vanyokva soldiers, yes, they are just right. it's when everyone is fighting, thank you, that's it, well, if, because of things, well, justice is relative, but let's say it would be

fair for most people, but zelensky didn't sign the law then, he would still like to be interrogated, the generals would say, that it is better for us to fight with those soldiers who are already trained, and not to train new ones, however, if russia announces after putin's elections, a total war, we need to prepare a symmetrical step, and we will also need to call up 100, 200, 300 thousand people, and they need to be found somewhere, somewhere. thank you, mr. viktor, mr. igor, this age that mr. viktor spoke about is one way or another there, well, voters of one of the candidates, let's say, and active there for 25-27 years, and it is clear that in these conditions. those political layouts that i read, or analysis, they say that they are not touched there, or they do everything so that the elders now go to fight in the army, exclusively

due to the fact that with an eye on the next elections, can it be true, well, such calculations that you, who are younger, they simply do not work, because they are needed there as active voters, well, this can be one of the reasons. we don't know what is the key reason, since information appeared in the west that this law is lying around and zelensky is not signing it, there was no confirmation, for example, from the president's office about this, and the deputies that we have they like to comment on the actions of the commander-in-chief, but they do not comment on the actions of the supreme the commander-in-chief and they don't say that he doesn't sign there somewhere, but the political calculation, the electoral calculation, one way or another, he can certainly be present at these moments, that's the main thing. even the electoral calculation, that the decision should be such that it minimally affects future political prospects, well, in this case,

for example, the supreme commander-in-chief. who will one way or another finally sign these laws, but you know, if we talk about mobilization, i from the experience of communicating with among the people's deputies, who are included in the very group that is engaged in the development of this law, made one very simple, but extremely gloomy conclusion for himself, the decision that will be taken, it will be minimally discussed and discussed at all, that is, no discussions with the involvement of ... parties, and such parties are not only people's deputies, or, for example, the general staff, or there are some politicians, for example, there are also employers who should also have the opportunity, well, in some way to influence these or other processes, there are representatives of various other groups there, who are well in society, this discussion, apparently, will not take place, and the second main conclusion, which is even more gloomy, judging by the statements i heard, all responsibility for this law

they will actually put it on one person, and this... person will not be the commander-in-chief, but the commander-in-chief, they will say that this is what the military wants, it's them, they really sign all these things, but i'm afraid that they will try to make them the main culprits, i say in quotes, yes, those unpopular steps, which most likely will be taken in the context of mobilization, the fact that, excuse me, the verkhovna rada simply wasted, wasted a year of time when it was possible to discuss all this, wade and come to some normal decision, now no one is interested, struggles must be accepted, extremes will be others, thank you, mr. igor, mr. volodymyr, what do you think about this? well , first of all, i think that mobilization is not inevitable, well, it is formal, we have had a war going on since the first day, but the plans are not being implemented, everyone who is more or less familiar with the situation, they are

they know, not you either. that at least 3,000 people went to the front in the first days of the war, they were mainly volunteers, mobilization plans, unfortunately, did not work for various reasons, the soviet system of warlords, it remained soviet, it must be reformed, changed, the attempts were not very good luck, let's say frankly that until the next situation, things are not only with the deputies, but i am an opponent of political football, now i agree, it is not popular. on the solution, well, or to put it mildly, not very popular, but now the only way out is in a situation when we will have to conduct a larger-scale mobilization, there will simply be no other way out, and my colleague correctly said that yes, the russians can conduct their mobilization, but we still do not have enough people, and no matter how unfortunate it is, unfortunately, demobilization is also impossible, no matter what law is passed there, there are not enough people at the front, so

what should be done, is it rotation? yes, thanks to the fact that new fighters will appear at the front, but in order for the decision to be made in the interests of society, and considering that this is an unpopular decision, it must be a joint the responsibility of both the political leadership of the country and the military is formal, this is the parish of the military, military leaders, they are subordinate to the ground and armed forces, this is their parish, unfortunately, the work there has failed for various reasons, but so that there is no transfer of responsibility there... one on the others , zelenskyi, zaluzhnyi , and syrskyi should be together, they should say together, we have no other way out than to carry out mobilization, it must be done, and so that it is an effective system and a fair system, thank you gentlemen, volodymyr fesenko, viktor boberenko and ihor reiterovych were our guests today, friends, we are working live on the espresso tv channel, and during the program we conducted a poll, we asked you about whether you trust

the current verkhovna rada of ukraine, let's... let's see the results of this poll, so 6% yes, 94% no, these are the results of our telephone survey, that's it , i'll say goodbye to you until 8:00 p.m., all the best! usual tasks become unreal, heavy bags are not for my sick back, from back pain, try dolgit cream. long-acting cream relieves pain, reduces swelling and improves joint mobility. with the cream dolgit, whatever you want, i will lift. dollheit is the only yellow cream for joint and back pain. ask at pharmacies, we wish you health, and your family's pharmacy. dollheit cream 150 g with a 20% discount. porto shahakhtar.