to the summit and how the european commission plans to calm down and somehow change the opinion of the hungarian leader orbán. and here we have two news. the first news is that the european commission and the leaders of the european union, its largest states , friends of ukraine, still adopted a strategy of appeasement, appeasement of orben, more on that later, and the second news is actually that so far officially i have not seen. in our news feeds of ukrainian agencies, it is that the european commission has already officially handed over a package of proposals for the use of russian frozen assets in favor of ukraine to finance the ukrainian economy, that is, it is already official news, this package exists, it has been submitted to the secretariat of the european council and will be considered by eu leaders on thursday-friday, actually. european commissioner

vera yurova refused to talk about the details of this package of proposals, because european leaders can make some changes to it, but information leaked that it is said that by 2027 ukraine can receive more than 15 billion euros of additional financial resources, and more moreover, 3 billion euros are already there, this is the money that is already in the account. of one of the brussels depositories and this money was earned in the first nine months of this current year 2023, that is, such interesting news, we will watch its development already on december 14-15, and now we return to orbán, because the initiative of the european commission regarding frozen assets also, the european council must approve unanimously, that is , orban's vote is required, and what else was not directly said, but hinted at? that's what tomorrow is

most likely, the european commission will announce that orban will receive money. it is about 10 billion euros, which the european commission has to unfreeze, as a result of the fact that today, at the last moment, the parliament of hungary is completing the reform of the judicial system in accordance with the requirements of the european union of the european commission, and today the reform is completed and tomorrow the european commission. should publish a document in which, most likely, he will make a statement that hungary has fulfilled its obligations and part of the funds from the frozen 22 billion, let me remind you, can be unfrozen. here's one the european commission will most likely make a gift to hungary tomorrow, but what orbán will do in return, whether he will agree, for example, to concessions with regard to ukraine, it is not known whether he made any promises, or it is just for...

please show your some such step in response , because, for example, if we talk about the issue of starting negotiations on ukraine's membership in the eu, then, unfortunately, we can see from the latest news how orbán tweets a so-called public opinion poll, which says that 72% of hungarians are against it , in order to ukraine became a member of the eu, and he writes that they say, you see, we are fulfilling our will. of our citizens, that is, it is still clear that orban is standing his ground regarding the start of negotiations, but will he go to the meeting as a european leader on the issue of financing ukraine, let's hope that yes, that at least something, if they pay him 10 billion euros, maybe he will agree, well, he's just blackmailing the european union, that's understandable, because hungary receives money from there, thank you tetiana for the inclusion, it was tetiana vysotska. from

strasbourg, where another session is taking place of the european parliament. friends, i remind you that we work live on the tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. please, if you watch us on youtube or facebook, please like this video, subscribe to our pages without fail, because it is important for us to support our tv channel. next, we have on air a politician, diplomat, minister of foreign affairs of ukraine in 2007-9. volodymyr grysko, mr. volodymyr, i congratulate you and thank you for joining our broadcast. good health, mr. serhiy, glad to see the same you and our dear viewers. good evening. mr. volodymyr, let 's not start with orban, let's start with zelensky, because he is in washington today, he has a lot of meetings, zelensky's closed meeting with congressmen has already ended in the senate, according to cnn, according to those present.

zelenskyi tried to convince the senators that corruption remains a significant problem in ukraine, which is reason enough that he will overcome corruption, and in ... in any case, zelenskyi will do everything to there was no corruption in ukraine, besides , there was also a meeting with johnson, with the speaker of the house of representatives, and also in principle, i understand that everyone is talking about the fact that ukraine should provide a more detailed plan, well, these are the mantras that are constantly actually repeat the representatives of the senate and congress, although... in your opinion, what is happening now with these 61 billion dollars that have been suspended, that cannot vote in support of ukraine, or is this an exclusively internal matter of the united states of america, that they cannot do, are there any additional factors,

which prevent the congress of the united states of america from making this decision? it seems to me, mr. sergiyuvych, that this is purely an internal political ... mutual showdown between the democrats and the republicans, and unfortunately, today we have become obvious hostages of this internal political showdown, which is very sad, because in fact, the senators and congressmen, some of them, at least, ukraine, it's the same, every month, they're very far from all these things, there's a group of tainted trumpists who generally... believe that the united states should limit their international activities and focus only on domestic problems, although , of course, the same republicans cannot fail to understand that their national interests are at stake. it is very sad, but

the information just arrived that johnson was unconvinced of the need for assistance to ukraine and after the conversation with zelenskyi, this is... bad news, it may affect the course of the further discussion, the only thing that remains in this regard is that after all , the administration somehow has other channels through which weapons can be supplied, although it will it is much more difficult and more expensive, well, at least, you can sell this weapon. but this means new complications, new development of new mechanisms and so on and so forth, although i still hope that despite everything, despite everything, american politicians, congressmen and senators are aware of what is happening in ukraine, and

will still rise on their intra-party differences and vote for aid. not only ukraine, but israel and taiwan, in principle help the democratic world to protect themselves. let's wait a little longer. and why, mr. volodymyr, in the second year of the great war, two years of the great war of russia against ukraine, why is the logic of joseph biden incomprehensible to some american politicians, who very clearly said that if we do not stop putin now in... the country, then american soldiers may find themselves in europe and then there will be a completely different reality, are these words and this forecast not enough to understand what the consequences will be for the united states of america. especially since antony blinken said that 90%, or 80% if i'm not mistaken,

money allocated by the united states of america remains in the united states of america because there is production that provides ukraine. ammunition and weapons, that this money is still in the constituencies of the same american politicians, that is, it does not go anywhere. well, mr. sergey , this is another evidence of what we just talked about, that this is an internal political struggle, because if you look objectively and realistically, then there is nothing you are talking about here, it is an investment in the american safe future, huh. .. but for a particular senator, who sits in his district and the population , which does not even know where ukraine is, to vote for this law means that it will be misunderstood by his voters,

they will say, why are you voting for the allocation of such huge sums in ukraine, instead of directing they are for our needs. local government or something else, and it works very unfortunately, because the same senator is thinking about his personal political future, he wants to be re-elected once again. and makes such absolutely inadequate decisions, but still there is some a certain, nevertheless, party discipline, although it is not so much, perhaps a traditional concept for the american establishment, but still there is a certain political, let 's say, culture of certain political forces, which must nevertheless have a common position, i really hope that... at the end of all these heated debates, the vast majority

of both democrats and republicans will still find an opportunity to rise above these, well, to a certain extent petty issues and resolve the issue on its merits, because i repeat again it is also about their safety. president of ukraine volodymyr zelenskyy spoke at the national defense university of the united states of america. explained to the military circles of the united states of america why it is critically important to continue supporting ukraine. let's listen to what zelensky said. when the free world doubts, it's time for dictators to celebrate, and their most dangerous ambitions ripen. every one of you here knows what it means to a soldier to wait for ammunition, to wait for weeks, to wait for months and not have confidence, whether there will be support in... anyone of you who has experience as a commander understands what it means when, instead of

moving yourself, you are forced to simply watch waiting for shells or equipment, while your enemy is satisfied and prepares for assaults. any of you whose son or daughter has been in a war zone simply wouldn't understand if you told them that protecting life can supposedly wait, because you have to argue a little more. by the way , the secretary of defense of the united states of america , lloyd austin, said that... united states the united states will help ukraine create forces to repel russian aggression in the coming years. let's hear what else austin had to say. america will be safer if we make it clear to potential aggressors around the world that they don't get to decide which countries live. how to die, now despite his crimes and isolation, putin still

believes he can survive ukraine and america, but he is wrong. mr. volodymyr, if we were to compare zelensky's visit to the united states of america on the eve of last christmas and the present one, whether do you feel the big difference between how he was received then and how he is received now and why in a year something has happened that we observe, that zelensky does not act in the role of a person who comes and is greeted with applause and spoken , well, they probably applaud too, but there is no longer the excitement that was last year, what has changed this year, what forces president zelensky to act as a pro... or to convince americans, american politicians, to provide military aid to ukraine?

well, mr. sergey, i still want to finish ours previous conversation regarding the dispute between republicans and democrats, the republicans are just clearly speculating on the fact that the democrats failed to help ukraine turn the tide of the war during. of this 23rd year, and to a certain extent with kiruvam, they are frankly right, because if we had not received weapons in such microscopic batches, if we had not waited for several months for the delivery of the next batch of weapons that we desperately need, then perhaps today would not be claims against biden by republicans that... they don't know what our, our , that is, american money goes to, why it is

used and how it is used and why there are no results, so this is really a topic that takes place, and the administration must also understand that the game cannot be continued, ukraine will not lose, russia will not win. whether ukraine does not win, russia does not lose, in a word, the administration must finally be clear about the fact that if ukraine... wins, it means that it must have all the necessary tools for this. unfortunately, all these tools are not available yet, and republicans ask democrats why? this, by the way, is to a certain extent a support for us, although we must not necessarily, in any way , get involved in their political disputes and so

on. about what why today. well, so to speak, there is no ovation, well, because, and we talked about this with you, mr. serhiy, because in america, as in any other country, they love winners, when the kharkiv operation was successful, when kherson was liberated, well, there was a standing ovation, everyone standing cheered, when a difficult, very difficult positional battle takes place on the battlefield struggle when there is no expected results, well, there is no applause, here it goes without saying, and that is why zelensky has to explain what he is going to do, what plans and what this money is needed for, well, actually, this is already an amount formed for the needs that we, our military formulated

, so i think that actually... the lack of serious advances on the battlefield this year determines how zelenskyi is met, here, in my opinion, there is a direct dependence on it, it is from point a to point b without any -what, as they say, intermediate links. that is, mr. volodymyr, you still remain optimistic that the congress will vote financial... aid or military aid to ukraine in the amount of 61 billion dollars, the only issue is this border that separates the united states of america and mexico, in fact, the arrangement of this border, because it is a major point of difference between republicans and democrats, for republicans, i understand, it matters, well, as they say, it's

an issue, well, it's true, but it seems to me that here... the game will continue, i'd like both sides to find compromise, and well there are already such signs, but will it be found today, tomorrow and during this week, or is it possible somewhere at the very end of the month, we will see, i would like to see, well, one more question that will be relevant in the coming days, is this a decision of the european union, or will he or won't he, this is the decision regarding the start of negotiations with the ukrainian state, dmytro kuleba, before the meeting with the ministers of foreign affairs of the european union in brussels, stated that if the leaders of the european union do not give ukraine the green light to start negotiations on membership at the summit

this week, it will be a devastating decision, both for the country and for the eu. let's listen to what mr. i can't imagine, i don't even want to talk about the devastating consequences that will occur if the council is unable to take this decision, not only with regard to ukraine, but also more broadly, with regard to the issue of enlargement in general, as i have already said, we have done our homework, we expect the european union to do its homework and we will talk to the member states. eu before the council. most importantly, in this situation, what will be the position of one of the leaders of hungary, prime minister viktor orbán, because today there was information that he will receive an additional or frozen $10 billion from the european union, and it seems

that orbán simply bargained for some conditions, bigger, better conditions for his country, is it so, or in... orbán acts as a guide or partner of russian politicians there, including kremlin politicians in europe? well, i would say, mr. se, that is, the fact that orbán today acts as a kind of, you know, a market trader, it is already clear to everyone, and he is really trading to himself what is extremely important to him for his own. of this domestic political stability, well, the only thing here is to understand again that this will not be a one-time tranche of 10 billion euros, it is an amount that is distributed over several years, it will... will be issued in portions, and that too in so if this infamous judicial reform of hungary is finally implemented, and

it will be watched, it will be studied, how it will be implemented, so this is actually for now an announcement of some potential 10 billion, when they will be, as they will be, this is still an open question, but orbán will certainly present it as his... colossal victory, he will say that i defeated the european bureaucracy, i defeated ursula fonenlein, whom he hates tenderly, that is, he will work all this out in full, as a concession, maybe he will agree to unblock aid to ukraine, which he also blocks for 50 billion euros for four years and 500 million as direct. military aid from the european union, and probably it will be a kind of exchange, you to me, i to you,

let's put an end to this, regarding the agreement on the opening of negotiations, i think we need to be very clear that it is controlled by moscow here, it is working absolutely frankly to block our progress to the european union, it is working absolutely... obviously to block sweden's progress to nato, and who is benefiting from that, and it is beneficial to moscow, so there is no need to go to vorozhka here to understand who directs orman's political course. for me, the only question remains open, and it sounds like this: how long the european union, in the person of the rest of the countries, will tolerate this trojan horse in his. secrets , shouldn't we take him to a separate corner, there , figuratively speaking, shut him up, shut him up, and let him

stand quietly there for a certain period of time, and this can be done very easily, deprive him of orban's voice in the european council, there are all the reasons for this, and after changing the rules of the decision-making procedure, why did the european union take so long to play with... this pro-moscow politician, for me it remains the biggest mystery and the biggest question, well, after all, something is finally possible someday will happen, well, you want to say that the problem of orbán or orbán as a problem is not only a problem of ukraine, but also of the european union, and nato, and nato, of course, this is the problem, well, i think, of pseudo-lilism, which today covered all of europe and the cities of all european leaders who are ready to pay the blackmailer

10 billion, well, theoretically 10 billion euros, just to say that we in the european union continue to be united, well, you can say that and you can make a slogan out of it, but it's true obvious and clear to everyone, unity, there are actually none of these key points, and those who break this unity must be punished, but punishing is no longer liberal from the point of view of our dear european liberals, and they will look for everything in order to stick this stick out at the very last moment, although why waste time. mr. volodymyr, a few weeks ago the minister of foreign affairs of slovakia juraj blanar spoke about the fact that there is still... time for ukraine to join the european union, but just before the december summit, information appeared that bratislava is ready to support the decision to open negotiations with ukraine,

and what the minister of foreign affairs of slovakia said: after evaluating the reform efforts in kyiv, we are ready to support the opening of negotiations on accession, which will be discussed at the next meeting of the european council, however ahead of our eastern neighbor there is still a long thorny path, all the necessary measures must not only be... approved, but also implemented and monitored . according to you, what changed the position of the minister of foreign affairs of slovakia, because, well, i read it categorical statements that sounded something like this: as long as the war continues on the territory of the ukrainian state, there can be no european union for ukraine at all. i think he was gently asked not to stay. paired with the odious orban, well, because it will harm his personal image and the image of slovakia, and it seems to me that such arguments are quite...

acceptable, especially since what we are talking about is the beginning of negotiations, not the end , not about the ratification by the governments and parliaments of member countries of what ukraine should become a member of the union and so on, we are talking about the beginning of the process, so it is obvious that all countries except hungary, well, understand that this is far from final, not final. the decision is only the first step, but that is the essence of orban and his dependence on moscow, that he was told there that it is not necessary to take even the first step for ukraine, because after the first there will be a second, after the second there will be a fifth , the tenth, and in the end, ukraine will really come to the point where it will be necessary to vote on the merits, so orban blocks

even... the beginning of this process, once again, again once emphasizing that he is a moscow litter. another person who came to power in poland, already the new prime minister of poland, donald tusk, the leader of the civic platform, said, speaking in the diet, that his government will demand a full mobilization of the west to help ukraine. he said that an attack on ukraine is an attack on everyone. let's hear what tusk said. we must speak loudly and decisively about ukraine, this is an issue that should unite us, because today we see how president zelensky is once again trying to convince the world that in fact, the essence of russian aggression is that the russian war in ukraine is an attack on all of us. i count on the cooperation of all political

forces, we are loud and decisive. the second partner, i remember tusk in the first term, he was really the second partner of ukraine. the second point, we will get a person who will seriously oppose orbán, who we just discussed with you, namely tusk, at one time very clearly and clearly showed orbán his place among european political parties, and

the third, i think. that tusk will really breathe new fresh wind into the anti-russian coalition among its european partners, so i think we should be satisfied with what is happening now in the power structures of poland. thank you, mr. volodymyr, this was volodymyr ogryzko, politician, diplomat, minister of foreign affairs of ukraine in 2007-9. friends, we work in a straight line. on the air of the tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. during our broadcast, we conduct a survey and ask you about whether you trust the local authorities. now we 're going to look at the results of the survey that we 've been doing this hour, 25% yes, 75% - no, on youtube now 34% yes, 66% no. next, in 15 minutes, the people's

deputies of ukraine, oksana savchuk, and iryna hera will be on the air. oleksiy kucherenko, don't switch, stay with our channel, we will be on the air right after the bbc news. volodymyr zelenskyi's visit to the united states. will the ukrainian president be able to convince the us congress to provide military support. this is bbc news ukraine, in the studio of jafer umerov. the president of ukraine personally convinced the congressmen of the need to allocate multi-billion-dollar funds to kyiv as soon as possible military aid package. has ukraine not become a hostage of inter-party strife in the usa and will volodymyr zelenskyi's visit be able to unblock aid? over 60 billion

dollars for ukraine. it is this amount that must be approved by the us congress