between ukrainian western leadership, between military analysts, ukrainian westerners, here we need to find answers to questions, because if you only raise questions and throw them out into the air, then you will not ensure victory. in fact, from the point of view of the discussion that was conducted, is being conducted and will be conducted, even from the point of view of the ideology of the counteroffensive, i do not want to get involved now in lecturing about... i had to study all this, and here are the gaps that were not provided informationally for almost nine months, they gave birth to this one decadent, forgive me for bringing this artistic term into a political tone, because when you hear such things there or from the hall of the verkhovna rada or from government bodies, well, i just want to say, dear, i really beg you, read these... things

, fundamental things that concern information services, including similar political, military, military operations and steps, you said that ukrainian and western experts and participants in it may look at the war taking place in ukraine differently process, let's say this, the big process called the war against russia. of ukraine and the defense of ukraine, the new york times published an article about the fact that ukraine and the united states of america are currently arguing about the strategy for 2024, how the war should be conducted, what the newspaper writes, the pentagon decided to send the american general antonio agut jr. to kyiv, who supervises, manages the support of ukraine from... from germany, he will work with

the military leadership of ukraine on the ground, what the new york times writes, or whether the americans insist on a defense strategy that is based on maintaining the territory, as well as building up reserves and forces throughout the year. ukraine wants to attack more, either on the ground or with long-range strikes. well, again, we see that information was leaked to the new york times, and apparently the new york times is writing what is happening with... behind the scenes, behind the scenes of this great process, what is happening in the understanding of the ukrainian leadership, so i still do n’t know, i don’t know, i only know that the bezugla requires a diligent plan and strategy for 2024, you can say, can you believe the new york times will probably never again ask for a plan out of the blue, mr. serhiy. this is the beginning of such a very

kind and correct conversation for us, and in the correct tone. the new york times, the telegraph, the economist, should write what they think is necessary. there are different views, there are different approaches, theoretical, practical and so on. they fill the information space, in some things, i'm even glad that some think tanks are even teaching... the conduct of military operations, the more of it, the better. another one the fact that the relevant officials have to make decisions that concern both tactics and strategy, no one will ever, and to no one and nowhere, all this will be told, laid out on maps and shown. this is a matter of direct management of the situation, which consists of strategic and tact. solutions, here it is important to understand that

the political environment, politicians, who should understand something about strategy, do not interfere in the operational management of the situation, but ensure the solution of one issue, the setting of a goal, which, by the way, they do not have been formulated to this day, and it has not been formulated exactly, both in the upper offices of kyiv and washington. brussels, whatever you like, but in relation to that, the enemy, he formed it absolutely clearly: to destroy ukraine as a state, to destroy the ukrainian as a representative of the ethnic group, one of the ethnic groups that the democratic, civilized world carries. therefore, it is very important that everyone does their work, and in order to do this work professionally, actually... read also new york times,

washington post, telegraf, economist, there analytical centers, all this is written there, and if you want to understand more deeply. please take textbooks, relevant materials , which were also written by masters of military art and military strategists, you know, sometimes i hear individual deputies who think, think about the appropriate tactics or strategy, and i hear that they do not distinguish the concept of military tactics and military tactics or. military strategy and military strategy, i understand very well that they are trying to invade an area where they do not understand on elementary things, and it is very important that these people who want to understand, that

they get to know each other, including materials from the new york times and so on, that they do these things for themselves and at least at the level of general knowledge have this terminology . and the fact that each newspaper can write its own version, can write its own vision, thank god, this will only confuse the enemy , it will make him feverish about what those ukrainians will do next. another matter is making a decision, and for this to relevant decisions were made, there is a supreme commander whose competence is written out, there is a commander- in-chief whose competence... is written out, there is a chief of the general staff whose competence is written out, there are leaders of brigade corps commanders and so on, the competence, functional duties of which are written out, moreover, i want to say one thing, which is very important, because it sounds in all

the textbooks, in all the works with which i had the opportunity to get acquainted: strategy at the level of general things should be understood by everyone, and politicians, military, do not need to create a caste strategy, it is very important to understand, because if a person has reached the high levels of the government, the parliament, he must understand these things at least at the level of terminology, and when i see that they start talking about such things, at the level of terminology they are wandering, i understand it's great that they just fill the information space, so it's very important here, at least in general... things to understand on this topic. thank you, mr. roman, it was politician and diplomat roman bezsmertny, and we, friends, continue to work live on the espresso tv channel, and work on our platforms on youtube and facebook. for those who are currently watching us on youtube, please

like our video and vote in our poll. we are asking you today whether you trust the local authorities, and we are conducting this survey over the phone lines if you are sitting in front of it. 0821382, if you do not trust, all calls to these numbers are free. next , we have our colleague tetyana vysotska from strasbourg. tatyana, i congratulate you and am glad to see you on our air. so, another session of the... parliament is underway in strasbourg, tomorrow meps will listen to the president of the european commission, ursula fonlein, who will report on the positions of the european union at the summit of the leaders of the european union on december 14-15 . at this summit, they will decide

whether to start the negotiation process with the ukrainian state or not. we know that viktor orban, the prime minister, has a separate opinion, a big separate opinion. hungary, it seems that some issues with slovakia have already been resolved, because today the minister of foreign affairs of slovakia said that we are not against ukraine being a member of the european union, what are they saying on the sidelines of the european parliament regarding orban's position, because it is clear that a lot will depend on orban's position, well, after all, orban is not only the problem of ukraine, it is the problem of the european union, but... yes, despite the fact that in order day of the european parliament , the issue of the summit of eu leaders on december 14-15 is scheduled for tomorrow morning, of course, the european deputies began to discuss this event already from monday, first on the sidelines, and

today the discussion also began in the session hall, when they spoke to the deputies european commissioners vera yurova and dubravka shuitsa, who presented, by the way. interesting package regarding the protection of democracy, this is a new directive of the european commission, which in particular will aim to fight the influence of the russian federation on the european. after all, what is the european union going to the summit with and how does the european commission plan to calm down and somehow change the opinion of the hungarian leader orbán, and here we have two news, the first news is that the european commission and the leaders of... the union, the largest his states, friends of ukraine, were still adopted

strategy of appeasement, appeasement of orban , more on that a little later, and the second piece of news is actually something that i haven't officially seen in our news feeds of ukrainian agencies yet, it's that the european commission has already officially handed over a package of proposals for the use of russian frozen assets in favor of ukraine for financing. economy, that is, it is already official news, this package exists, it has been submitted to the secretariat of the european council and will be considered by eu leaders on thursday-friday. actually, the european commissioner hera yurova refused to talk about the details of this package of proposals, because european leaders can make some changes to it, but information leaked that it is about what ukraine will do by 2027. can get more than 15 billion euros of additional financial resources and

moreover 3 billion euros are already there, this is the money that is already in the accounts of one of the brussels depositories, and this money was earned in the first nine months of this current year 2023, that is, interesting news, we will watch its development in 14-15 december, and now we return to orban. because the actual initiative of the european commission regarding frozen assets must also be approved unanimously by the european council, that is , orbán's vote is required, and what else vera yurova, european commissioner, did not directly say, but hinted at, is that tomorrow, most likely, the european commission will announce that that orbán will receive money, it is about 10 billion euros, which the european commission has to unfreeze, as a result of the fact that today, at the last moment... the parliament of hungary is completing the reform of the judicial system in

compliance with the requirements of the european union of the european commission, and today the reform is completed, and tomorrow the european commission must publish a document in which it will most likely make a statement that hungary has fulfilled its obligations and part of the funds from the frozen 22 billion, let me remind you, can be unfrozen , this is such a gift to hungary tomorrow... most likely, the european commission will do it, but what orbán will do in return, whether he will agree, for example, to concessions regarding ukraine, it is not known whether there were any promises from him, or it is just an attempt to show some kind of such a step forward, because , for example, if we talk about the issue of the start of negotiations on ukraine's membership in the eu, then, unfortunately, we can see from the latest news. as orbán tweets a so -called public opinion poll in which it is said that 72%

of hungarians are against ukraine becoming a member of the eu, and he writes that, as they say, you see, we are fulfilling the will of our citizens, that is, after all at the beginning of the negotiations, it is clear that orbán stands his ground, but will he go to the meeting as the european leader on the issue of funding of ukraine, let's hope that it is so, that at least i do something. if they pay him 10 billion euros, then maybe he will agree, well, he is just blackmailing the european union, that is understandable, because hungary receives money from there. thank you tetiana for the inclusion, it was tetiana vysotska from strasbourg, where the next session of the european parliament is taking place. friends, i remind you that we work live on the tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. please like this if you watch us on youtube or facebook. video, subscribe to our pages, because it is important for us to support our tv channel. next

on our air is the politician, diplomat, minister of foreign affairs of ukraine in 2007-9 volodymyr o. hryzko. mr. volodymyr, i congratulate you and thank you for joining our broadcast. good health, mr. serhiy, glad to see you and our dear viewers as well. good evening. mr. volodymyr, let's get started. with orban, we will start with zelensky, because he is in washington today, he has a lot of meetings, the closed session in the senate has already ended zelenskyi's meeting with congressmen, cnn reports, as the story goes. present, zelenskyi tried to convince the senators that corruption remains a significant problem in ukraine, which is reason enough that he will overcome corruption, and in any case, zelenskyi will do it so that there is no corruption in ukraine. in addition, there was also a meeting with johnson with

the speaker of the house of representatives and... also in principle, i understand that everyone is talking about the fact that ukraine should provide a more detailed plan, well, these are the mantras that are constantly the representatives of the senate and the congress actually repeat, although in your opinion, what is happening now with these 61 billion dollars that have been suspended, that cannot vote in support of ukraine, is this an exclusively internal matter of the united states of america, that... they cannot do, are there any additional factors that prevent the congress of the united states of america from making this decision? it seems to me, mr. sergiyuvych, that these are purely internal political mutual clashes between democrats and republicans, and unfortunately, today we have become obvious hostages of these

internal political debates, it's very sad, because actually uh... senators and congressmen, some of them, at least, ukraine, it's also the same as they are a month, they are very far from all these things, there is a group of spoiled trumpists who generally believe that the united states should limit its international activities and focus only on domestic problems, although, of course, the same republicans cannot fail to understand that it is about their national interests. it is very sad that the information just arrived johnson was unconvinced of the need to help ukraine and after talking with zelenskyi, this is bad news, it may affect the course of further discussion, the only thing that remains in this regard is

that the administration somehow has and ... other channels through which weapons can be supplied, although it will be much more difficult and expensive, well, at least you can sell these weapons, but this means new complications, new development of new mechanisms and so on and so on, although i still hope, that despite everything, despite everything american politicians, congressmen from... natories are aware of what is happening in ukraine, and yet they will rise above their internal party differences and vote to help not only ukraine, but israel and taiwan, in principle help the democratic world to protect itself. let's wait a little longer. and why, mr.

volodymyr, in the second year of the great war, two years already. the great war of russia against ukraine, why did some american politicians not understand the logic of joseph biden, who very clearly said that if we do not stop putin in ukraine now, then american soldiers may end up in europe, and then there will be a completely different reality, are these words and this forecast not enough to understand what the consequences will be for the united states of america, especially since antony blinken said that 90% or 80 if i am not mistaken, the money allocated by the united states of america remains in the united states of america, because there is a production that provides ukraine with ammunition and weapons, that this money is still in the districts of the same american politicians, i.e.

they are not going anywhere, well, mr. serhiy, this is another proof of what we just talked about, that it is a vnu. political struggle, because if you look at it objectively and realistically, there is nothing to talk about here, it is an investment in the american safe future, but for a particular senator who sits in his district and whose population does not know where ukraine is, to vote for this the law means eh... what its voters will misunderstand, they will say, why do you vote for the allocation of such huge sums in ukraine instead of to direct them to our such. or the needs of local self-government or something else, and it works very unfortunately, because the same senator is thinking about his personal

political future, he wants to be re-elected once again and makes such completely inadequate decisions, but still there is a certain, still after all, party discipline, although it is not very, perhaps traditional for the american establishment. concept, but still there is a certain political, let's say, culture of certain political forces, which must nevertheless have a common position, i really hope that at the end of all these heated debates, the vast majority of both democrats and republicans will still find an opportunity to rise above their uh, well, to a certain extent, petty issues. and solve the issue on the merits, because i will repeat once again, it is also about their safety. president of ukraine volodymyr zelenskyi spoke at the national

defense university of the united states of america, he explained to the military circles of the united states of america why it is critically important to continue supporting ukraine? let's listen to what zelensky said. when the free world doubts, the time for dictatorships comes. to celebrate, and the most dangerous ambitions ripen in them. every one of you here knows what it means to a soldier to wait for ammunition, to wait for weeks, to wait for months, and not be sure if there will be support at all. any of you who have experience as a commander understand what it means when, instead of moving yourself, you are forced to just watch, waiting for shells or equipment, while your enemy is satisfied and prepares for assaults. each of you whose son or daughter was in a war zone. actions would simply not be understood if they were told that the protection of life can supposedly wait, because it is necessary to argue a little more. by the way , the secretary of defense of the united states of america

, lloyd austin, said that the united states of america will help ukraine create forces to repel russian aggression in the coming years. let's hear what else austin had to say. america will be safer if we make it clear to potential aggressors around the world that they do not get to decide which countries live, but by which to die now, despite his crimes and isolation, putin still believes he can survive ukraine and america, but he is wrong. mr. volodymyr, to compare. zelenskyi's visit to the united states of america on the eve of last christmas and now, do you feel a big

difference between how he was received then and how he is received now, and why has happened in a year that we are observing that zelenskyy is not acting in the role of a person , who comes and who is met there with applause. and say, well, probably they are also applauding, but there is no longer the excitement that was last year, what has changed this year, what forces president zelensky to act as a supplicant, or to convince the americans, american politicians, to provide military aid to ukraine? well, i want to wrap up that conversation we had earlier regarding the controversy between the republicans. republicans are simply clearly speculating that the democrats have failed to help ukraine turn

the tide of the war during this 23rd year, and to a certain extent zkazyam is frankly right. because if we had not received weapons in such microscopic batches, if we had not waited. for several months of supplying the next batch of weapons, which we desperately need, then perhaps today there would be no complaints to biden from the side of the republicans that they do not know what our money, that is , american money, is used for, why it is used and how it is used and why it is not results, that's why it's really a topic that has... a place and the administration must also understand that you can't continue the game, ukraine will not lose.

russia does not win, or ukraine does not win, russia will not, will not lose, in a word, the administration must finally be clear about the fact that if ukraine wins, it means that it must have all the necessary tools for this. unfortunately, all these tools are not yet available, and republicans are asking democrats why? this, by the way, is also support to a certain extent. to us, although we should definitely not interfere in any way in their political disputes and so on. regarding the fact that today, well, so to speak, there is no standing ovation? well, because, and about that we spoke with you, mr. serhiy, because in america, as in any other country, they love winners, when the kharkiv operation was successful, when they liberated... kherson,

well, there was a standing ovation, everyone standing cheered when on the battlefield there is a difficult, very difficult, positional struggle, when there are no expected results, well, there is no applause for him, this is self-evident, and that is why zelensky has to explain what he is going to do, what plans and what this money is needed for, well, actually. in fact, this is already a formed amount to the needs that we, our military , have formulated, so i think that the lack of serious advances on the battlefield this year determines how zelensky is met, in my opinion, there is a direct

dependence here. it is from point a to point b without any so-called intermediate links. that is, mr. volodymyr, you still remain optimistic that the congress will vote financial aid or military aid to ukraine in the amount of 61 billion dollars. the question is only about this border, which separates the united states of america and mexico, in fact, the arrangement this border, because it is the main point. of disagreements between republicans and democrats for republicans, i understand, it matters, as they say, it's a question, well , it's true, but it seems to me that the game will continue here, i would like both sides to find a compromise, and well, such signs seem to be already there is, but will it be found

today? tomorrow and during this week, is it possible somewhere at the very end of the month, let's see, i would like to, well, one more issue that will be relevant in the coming days is the decision of the european union, whether it will be or not, this is the decision to start negotiations with the ukrainian state, dmytro kuleba before the meeting with the ministers of foreign affairs of the european union bruse. said that if eu leaders do not give ukraine the green light to start membership talks at this week's summit, it will be a devastating decision, both for the country and for the eu. let's listen to what mr. kuleba said. i can't imagine, i don't even want to talk about the devastating consequences that will occur if the council cannot take this decision, not

only in... ukraine, but also in the wider in the sense that the issue of expansion in general. as i said, we did our homework. we expect the european union to do its homework and we will speak to the eu member states before the council. the most important thing, in this situation, what will be the position of one of the leaders of hungary, prime minister viktor orbán, because today there was information that he... will receive additional or frozen 10 billion dollars from the european union and it looks like , that orban simply bargained for some bigger conditions, for better conditions for his state, or that is, whether viktor orban acts as a guide or a partner of russian politicians there, including those of the kremlin.