strategies for ending the war, various strategies that would not only guarantee that ukraine joins nato and the european union, but also, for example, guarantee that there will be no more war with russia, you need to talk to them about all this in their language, this conversation is still not inevitable, because if we don't talk to them and reason, if we don't talk about different strategies, they will still do it, only without our participation, without our participation, they will talk as they can... the end of the war in ukraine, it will be about that there will be many publications, expert opinions , retired politicians, and the current ones will publish their columns in the leading mass media, and we will be offended by this, so these statements should be perceived simply as such communication, in which you still need to participate, and different options must be taken, and any option, any of our tasks for victory must always be supplemented with an absolutely realistic plan, how it can be implemented, well, for example, well,

we often discuss that, well, from the submission of the former general secretary of nato, that they say, in the west from time to time, we are offered to partially join nato, well, like, well, like, the territory under our control will join immediately, but the rest of the territories will join later, and we were immediately angrily rejected this option, although for this the option can be looked at, it would be in a different way, the fact that nato does not rule out that it can take part of ukraine under its umbrella already during the war. well, that's good, it doesn't mean that we give up the rest of the territories, it just means that nato is already joining the war more actively, and it could be to talk with our western partners , of course, so far such proposals have not been received officially, but they are still being talked about, so we need to consider different options, of course, none of these options should involve surrendering the national interests of ukraine, surrendering sovereignty, but these are all options should be based on realistic resources. to the understanding that we need

to save the country, we need to save people, we need to save the economy, we need to categorically not give up our borders, but at the same time take steps to the west those that would guarantee that the west will be more actively involved in the war and it is possible to partially turn on its guarantees step by step and strengthen the country's defense capabilities. mr. sergey, today president volodymyr zelenskyy at a press conference... with the prime minister of norway jonas har større stated that during the 23rd year the russian army did not have a single victory, but moscow began to actively cooperate with countries around the world (i quote zelensky), this year russia did not have a single victory, they could not do anything, they could not occupy not a single village, i'm not talking about cities, they couldn't do anything, but they started working with countries, here's this phrase about the fact that they started working... with countries, and the world

is gradually starting to be let into those circles in which in the 22nd year, he did not let in russian diplomats , russian politicians, well, you can remember the osce, the arrival of sergei lavrov at the ministerial meeting in skopje, does this mean that the world is ready to gradually go to the meeting, or at least not to think that it is bad to sit on... with those who wage war, the greatest war in europe, and perhaps now in the whole world , well, the world is changing, when the current security system was being created, the share of, for example, the american economy in the world system was barely 70%, the participation of the west in the world economy at that time was decisive, and in military technologies as well, now the world is different and significant. part of the economy is occupied

by the countries of the so-called global south, with which russia is trying to find a common language, these are primarily china and india, technologies are also changing, they are becoming more and more accessible in the world, well, that is why this is happening the struggle, it takes place on all platforms, it also takes place in the dialogue between the south and the north, it also takes place on the platforms of various international structures, in particular the united nations organization, which needs reform. security councils, in particular at platforms such as the osce, even nato, where we see that not all nato members support ukraine's membership in nato, well, there are two members in question, so this struggle, it is happening everywhere, and i think that it should not be unexpected for us, because the war against ukraine is not just an attack against us, this is an attack on that world, on that world order, which was formed after the second world war and categorically denies the possibility and not'. one country

, another country, that's why it's a war, and it 's happening everywhere now, but i'm still inclined to believe that after this great historical cycle, wars will be won... good, because so far it's on the side of democracy, most of the technology , most of the money, and the society there has more developed institutions and, most importantly, has more and better education, so strategically global the west will win, but of course we will have a lot of these battles along the way, and it has already happened that ukraine is at the forefront of this great battle. thank you, mr. serhiy, it was serhiy taran, a political scientist, and we continue. our broadcast, i would like to remind you that during our broadcast we conduct a survey, we ask you about whether you had problems with communication yesterday and today, we ask you on youtube and we also ask you on tv, if you are sitting in front of the tv, take pick up the phone and vote if you had problems

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discussed financial assistance and money that should highlight the congress of the united states of america, there were many meetings in argentina, that is, a very, very tight schedule is still ahead. summit of the european union, where we should open the door, well, i hope so, to the european community. let 's start, perhaps, with biden, with zelenskyi's meeting with biden, because this visit was unannounced to washington, and zelenskyi met with the speaker of the parliament, the house of representatives johnson and met with other officials, in particular with the secretary of defense of the united states of america lloyd mostyn. it is clear that all high-ranking officials of the united states of america say that they want ukraine to win. everyone wants ukraine to win. biden for the second time, in the last week, he repeated that it is impossible to allow putin to go further, because he

can go further. knowing biden's background, he knows what he's talking about. what do you say, mr. oleksandr, who are they trying to convince? the most powerful politicians in the world, those who depend not only on the future of the united states of america, but also the whole world, without exaggeration, if everything is in their, in their field and political field and under their leadership? well, you know, i keep saying that ukraine became an internal political factor in the united states in 2016, and now... it remains so, especially against the background of the fact that next year there will be elections for the president, and for the congress, and for the senate , a part, a third, and the house of representatives , and so of course we have to take that into account, and actually what happened before our eyes

is that the republicans decided that this was a very good opportunity to put joseph biden on the democrats in congress to get something that they didn't have able to get in... during the four years of trump's term, i mean a change in migration policy, not just a strengthening of the border, a few hundred and a few tens of millions and then continue to build this wall, actually a fundamental sweep, and therefore president zelensky's visit was timely, but it is clear that his arguments, and of course, that this help is critically necessary for us, and that 90% of the money goes directly to the defense industry of the united states. and give new weapons, build new new systems for including the united states, and charisma our president, because since the beginning of the war, he has traveled to this place very often and achieved quite interesting results, that is, neither

his arguments nor his charisma were able to change the desire of the republicans to obtain and use this father as pressure on biden. the issue of solving, that is, migration policy, for them, by the way, this is quite a lot, literally two digits of the name, 2.2 million illegal border crossings during the last year, oh these... by migrants, and 75% of fentanol is a precursor for synthetic drugs , from which they die every year more than 100 thousand americans, that is, it is a really painful problem, here, but the extreme left wing of the democrats does not want to go for a worsening or a tougher policy, for example, to deport non-illegals, or that means to change this policy, catch and release, that is... who catch them, then give them the opportunity to come to court and defend their rights, well, usually

, that means migrants do not appeal, actually we faced a long-lasting internal problem and a desire to solve it, including at our expense, although our friends, even at those which they treat us more or less in an average way, they said that this aid, well, that is, ukraine receives it, i am sure that literally at the beginning of january there will be a vote. the question now depends on joseph biden's willingness to make certain concessions, and it will be painful for him also from the point of view that his image, which means his popularity rating has suffered certain troubles in connection with the hamas attack on israel and the position that his administration occupies, that is, the extreme left wing, it is already turning its back on biden and criticizing him for being almost unreservedly supports israel, and... here, if he accepts, accepts a certain position, let's say, and a certain compromise on the border, he

may still lose a little electorally . well, by the way, yesterday biden announced the allocation of 200 million dollars to ukraine, he called on the congressmen to come to an agreement and make a decision on the allocation of funding to ukraine, and this is about 61 billion dollars, and he said that... it should not be done putin's christmas present, let's hear what biden said. provide ukraine with critical weapons and equipment as long as we can. including the assistance i just approved in critically needed equipment, additional

air defense interceptors, artillery, and ammunition, but without additional funding , we are rapidly ending our ability to help ukraine respond to the challenges it faces in its war with putin. biden twice, i emphasize this for a reason, twice in the last 10 days, says that putin can go further, he can pass ukraine. and approach the eastern border of nato, that is, to poland, and this is a danger, because when he turned to congressmen, a week ago, he talked about the fact that it is necessary to pass this package of aid to ukraine, because we do not want, if you do not want, american soldiers to fight on the european continent, given that biden, like me i will repeat myself once again for... always says things that are verified, and it is clear that based on some intelligence

data, as it was on the eve of the big attack, remember how he said at the briefing, the journalist asked him, and can putin still postpone his decision to attack ukraine, he said, no, he already has decided everything, just turned around and left , biden, given the level of awareness, what do you think, that is , biden is not bluffing... in any case, he is saying what he knows for sure, well, i think that first of all there is general intelligence data, plus, of course , putin's plans are clear, and you know, for me, what is more revealing is not even what he says, but what has been happening in germany, for the last week and a half, first there was an article by the foreign security council, this such a powerful think tank where they they said that 5-10 years in order for, well , depending on how this war with ukraine ends, russia will regain its strength and be ready to attack one of the nato member countries,

that is, the germans are always quite careful, these are putin-fersteiers, that is those who seem to know have always been soft on him, but they say this way, so they literally learned yesterday, this week there was a meeting of the social democratic party, there they also said that it is necessary to ... in a military sense to a possible conflict. one of the key german military said that probably most likely we will have to fight with russia again. that is, we see that... the germans , who are very careful with their statements, they already understand that war, well, it is not inevitable, but if they do not prepare, then of course they cannot prevent it, and of course, the same thing is happening in the united states, but in addition to our, shall we say, the main supporters in the form of the democrats and mr. biden, there are republicans of various persuasions, and

the most important thing, of course, is the trumpists and their hardened core, which anything... want to stop this aid, and of course what they are trying to manipulate, they are just creating such, you know, a false dilemma that either the border means ukraine, or saving the lives of americans there , there is a problem with hazardous waste in some state, or give ukraine this money and they seem to be stolen by the oligarchs and so on , that is, in principle, they play with these things, by the way, literally just these days, together with the ukrainian president, there was a landing of hungary in the united states in washington with the participation of the heritage foundation, this once respected the analytical conservative center was analytical, now they play such a role as a platform for trumpists, so there was a landing party from hungary and in fact the main message

of this landing party was that aid to ukraine should be stopped, that is, we see that in the european union. ukraine and hungary play the same role, they say that it is necessary to stop this war by throwing ukraine under this rink, but they also try and influence these ideas, which are very good, by the way, among the republicans of physicalization, they are widespread, that is, there are and such, such a moment in of the current situation, by the way, scholz, whom you mentioned, the federal chancellor of germany, said literally... putin is determined to bring ukraine to its knees and appealed to the allies not to reduce support for ukraine. putin is still determined to bring ukraine to its knees by military means - said olaf scholz. the russian president says he is betting on the fact that international support for ukraine will decrease. the danger that this calculation may work cannot be dismissed,

he warned. do you understand, mr. oleksandr? to all partners, our international partners , that putin is ready to go all the way to the end and to the very eastern border of the north atlantic alliance, that he is ready to enter europe with troops, well, in some perspective, this does not mean that in 2024, maybe in 2025 year, because in russia there is hope that a new president of the united states of america will come in the 25th year, and this will allow... him, you mean putin, to do what he cannot afford under biden? well, we see that apart from our closest neighbors, well, i'm not talking about hungary and about its special position and efforts to earn some bonuses from the russian federation and china, having access to european funds, and in

fact 10 billion euros of european funds that were frozen in... connection with problems with the rule of law and human rights were unblocked in this country, not even from the point of view that hungary blocked aid to ukraine, and of course that they are horse riders, yes hares, i don't know how actually parasites on nato security, because they are not a combat-ready unit, but they block from the very began aid to ukraine, cooperation of nato ukraine, and you well remember that they changed the legislation and banned it. transportation of any aid, even from third countries, on its own territory, that is, in fact, orban is playing in the interests of the russian federation and is very active against us. and here, that is , well, well, returning to the understanding, the baltic countries, poland definitely yes, and we see that poland is arming itself at a powerful pace, plus with the change of government, we see that they will be ready

to have more dialogue with their nato allies in europe. and also, of course, to build relations with the biden administration, which would possibly leave this position in a year. and we see that the old europe, first of all germany, is changing its position, they understand that there may be a conflict, and they have already undertaken to support ukraine on a systemic basis in the long term, and this is a radical change in germany's policy, that is, they are looking ... on russia through the prism of ukraine and their allies in central-eastern europe, nor vice versa, as was actually the case with of 1991, who looked from moscow at what was in the middle. between russia and germany, that is, i think that there is such an understanding, whether it exists in others, especially in southern europe, whether it is difficult to say now, but i

think that in principle we will see in the near future, well, first of all, whether they will press hungary on the issue the opening of negotiations on the east with us, well, of course, on the amount of aid that we can receive in the near future, taking into account the fact that the united states is stuck, that is, now the europeans have to catch up in terms of weapons, and money, and good news is now coming from norway, this powerful country economically and a very great friend of ukraine, it is actually in fifth place after the united states, the eu and germany, which means that in terms of the level of aid to ukraine, both defense and and in general financial, they are about 7 billion dollars... to help us, and other countries, these are the northern ones, which now, with which the president of ukraine is currently meeting, are also helping us quite powerfully, in general, their contribution to

the aid of ukraine, initially a large-scale invasion, taking into account bilateral and within the framework eu, it reaches more than 23 billion dollars, that is, it is a very correct visit, timely, and it is clear that these people, these leaders, understand exactly the threat from russia. and the need to support ukraine. well, by the way, you mentioned orban at the summit of the countries of northern europe, volodymyr zelenskyy spoke about orban, because hungary is the country that says to the last that there is no need to open the door to ukraine to the european union, and here is the hesitation with 10 billion euros, which were apparently already agreed to be allocated to hungary yesterday, today they say that from they will postpone it because orban does not want to give his vote in order to open negotiations of the european union with ukraine, what zelensky said about orban and the reasons

given by orban why ukraine should not be in the european union, let's listen to zelensky. i think i was right, i explained to him very clearly: he has no reason to block ukrainian membership in the eu, and i asked him to name at least one. the reason for his actions, not three, not five, not 10, just one reason, and i'm waiting for an answer. mr. alexander, if president zelensky asked you what two reasons orban has, why he does not want ukraine to be in the european union, the first is putin, and the second? well, the tactical reason is money, and the strategic reason is actually the fact that ukraine is in the european union and nato, of course. with our weight, with our reputation, especially for this war, which we have earned, we will be a very powerful country, and we will be blocked first of all with the baltic

states by poland, we are very similar in mentality, the structure of the economy, and of course, in such a configuration, hungary it will be even less, let's say, necessary or less willing, less willing to help her within the framework of these same internal funds. therefore, i think that there are illusions that hungary can somehow strengthen its influence on ukraine while we are within the existing borders, maybe they even have some dreams that they can seize what they value and it belongs to them, theoretically it could be orban, his immediate family didn’t say anything about it for sure, but we understand the trianon trauma well, and of course, he benefits from that which blocks all this. from putin, it ’s cheap gas, it’s nuclear energy, and trade, so actually he’s trying, you know , it’s like that, i think he shouldn’t

be considered such an agent of putin here, he ’s trying to squeeze as much as possible, because on the one hand he is friends with putin and xi jinping, and on the other hand, he is trying to gain the trust of trump, the trumpians, and even for having earned such respect there for his conservative. practices in hungary itself, which, in principle, trump's inner circle say, should be done in the same way as in hungary. and of course, these are incompatible things, if you are a conservative or far-right in some sense of value, and you are friends with putin, who in fact does not exist, who actually destroys all these traditional values ​​and so on, because russia is not the star of that , which she officially tells on her propaganda channels. mr. alexander. can we expect any more surprises at the summit of the leaders of the european union, because before that there were many statements on the part of slovakia about the fact

that... well, there is no need to take ukraine, because it is in conditions of war, then already slovakia said that it does not mind and supports ukraine on its way to the european union, and now there is information that slovak carriers have announced that they plan to continue blocking the entry of trucks from ukraine, at least until the end of the year, and possibly longer. well, that is, some such policy of double standards, that is, well , we will say yes to ukraine being in the european union. but we will continue to fight for our interests in principle, and slovakia and hungary are a problem for the entire european union, that's right, for the european union, and not only for ukraine, or we need to understand that they are exclusively for ukraine, these countries will fight with us for european subsidies and for status there in europe, although we are a much bigger country

than hungary. and slovakia, well, you know, it is absolutely legitimate for any state to be guided by its own national interests and sometimes it is possible not to take into account the interests of other states, but how is this done, if it is in a bilateral dialogue, or do they turn to a third party, or some structures, like sot or other, that is, it is civilizational civilized way, if they block the border with ukraine at a time when this... this border is actually vital for us to hold out during an unjust brutal genocidal war, i don't know how many more words can be added here , of course, that this is evidence of something different, if we talk about slovak, i think that the europeans have arguments there, they just did not hesitate to hint that there could be negative things from the point of view of the fact that they

will block. the beginning of negotiations with us, theoretically it may be, i literally read politics today, and there was such information that, well, austria is trying to play, but not because it is against ukraine, but because they want bosnia and herzegovina, since the balkans are extremely important for this country, well, here we are, by the way, we see that there is an austro-hungarian question, yes, well, the austrians are true. does not behave in such a brutal way, that is, there can be friction, and of course, after the negotiation process will begin, we will have friction with the poles, because we are similar both in terms of the structure of the economy and in terms of interests to other countries, and the only question will be how we will solve it, to what extent people will be guided solely by their interests, or they will make concessions and compromises so that both parties are satisfied. thank you, mr. oleksandr, it was

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