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would say, a quadrant, so we have left our air, 15 minutes, you can say a little more, there is a little more, olena vostrova will talk to us now. specialist in the field of mental health and psychosocial support mrs. olena, have a good day. good morning! miss elena, uh, the time before the holidays, it's always so uh difficult, i mean, the time before the holidays during a full-scale invasion. and now i hear more and more often from my acquaintances that there is absolutely no festive mood, no more... there is no mood at all, and people are pressured by the news that comes in, people are pressured by this reality, because there must have been some euphoria with that , when people were hyped that a counteroffensive would happen, and something so incredible would happen, and now they

were left with some such, as if at a broken trough or something, how to say, well, this is exactly the effect when nead is created in society. weak expectations, and then they, as it were , crash against reality and people face objective reality, what is actually there. indeed, we are now in such a transitional stage , which, by the way, has been going on for almost a year, it is a transition to the understanding that the war will be long-lasting, exhausting, bloody, and that we need to mobilize and get ready for a long struggle, this you know as when this narrative about a counteroffensive was created, now we are transitioning into a narrative in a defensive operation there, that is, we stand up on the defensive, in principle, well, what can i say , the military leadership is ours , it said so that this is for a long time, that we in defense,

while the political leadership dispersed the narrative about a counteroffensive and a quick victory, i don't know about coffee in the crimea or something else, now, by the way, some such narratives are also incomprehensible. that russia is not going to fight in the 25th year, well, alone in a word, the more objectively we perceive information, the less disappointments we have, the more we prepare psychologically for what has to happen, and the more strength we will have to withstand all this struggle, and people are generally ready for the truth, because very often, well, you know, when i look at our policy, i understand that the basis of information policy was laid even during covid. they were worked out during covid by this government, i mean, and then they imposed themselves as if they were already ready, as for me, as i look at completely out of the process, but these templates were then imposed during the reporting of the war, i.e. first denials, then where necessary, for example, on the contrary, lies there, well

, do you remember when the current minister said that if we did not scare people , then people would not do anything, well, when it came to covid, or somewhere... or, and then on the contrary, for example, there was a kind of silence, because, for example, voters did not want to hear about kovit and so on, there, then it was measured all the time, er, the question is whether we can to allow themselves to talk with voters, with citizens, as with adults, or does this traumatize them so much that people, i don't know, will simply cross the borders, hide in some of their barns, i don't know why not... talk with people, in principle, the language of the truth, on the one hand, and on the other hand, we have some kind of constant pendulum of betrayal of victory, that is , we either drink coffee in yalta tomorrow, or we all go to war and die, danilov, well,

or yes, these swings you speak of are just evidence of infantile consciousness, consciousness, which really does not want to see the truth, but wants to live in some of its own... illusions, but what should be said here is that the more we live in illusions, the more we are tired of war, strangely enough, because for that , it takes much more energy to produce an illusion than... to see the truth and survive in that truth. so, well, look , yeah, we have one moment where we create illusions and then they shatter and we have disappointment and we're rocked, and there's a moment where we say yes, and we talk to people like with children, but there is a moment when , for example, a hard-working person communicates with ukrainians as with adults, and who, look, has more trust in whom, well, of course, the person who tells the truth, who is the one who commands the most trust. .. she was not, and who gives at the same time, you know, such a motivation to win.

and it seems to me that the whole narrative should now be built around the fact that there is a reality, there is a path to victory, so it can be long, but there are stages, and we are going to them, and we need to tell people the truth, we need to communicate with them like adults people, because if you communicate with children, you can at some stage get some, i don't know what percentages there are. some kind of electoral commitment, but wait, what do we think about the electoral measures of some race of all these? no, our goal now is victory, not points, ratings and the like. that's why i think it's high time to come down to reality, to understand that to put aside all these, i don't know, pre-election manipulations, and finally face the truth, tell people about it, and build it up. absolutely any adequate, well, if there was an adequate narrative

at the same time, the same now we need to talk about mobilization with people, it is difficult, it is possible to lose ratings while doing so, but in the long run it will still lead to trust, it will lead to that people will not be disappointed, they will not swing and they will be, shall we say, more efficient because they will save more energy for fighting to survive. and not to be disappointed later and i don't know, to fall into some kind of depression and demoralize, because all these illusions, they terribly demoralize society then, i think, now is just such a period when we see it, uh, when the figure of oleksandr matsievsky was installed in kyiv, which caused a lot of controversy, again, from people, or from mothers who lost of my sons in the war, or from ... men who are now fighting, i have heard such arguments that such a figure should stand, let it be very realistic,

but it should be, because in this way it will remind people that that there is a war in the country because, in their opinion, civilians distance themselves more and more from the war, and this manifests itself in the fact that people do not donate much to charity. teram, or that people don't want to watch the news, i even heard one viewer herself say, i watched you there in the morning, well, i don't turn on the tv in the evening, because i don't have the strength to listen to the news, or as serhii pratola wrote about the girl, volunteer, who came to him for advice, says what to do, because i noticed that my friends, when i post another post on my page about some other collection, they they just unsubscribe from me, and here's how... to make sure that people don't distance themselves from reality, is the figure of oleksandr matsievsky really so

realistic, and it can bring people back to that reality, to the fact that the war is going on and something is needed to do in order not to lose in that war. well, yes, of course, such figures should appear in our space, they should remind, and they just bring those people back. who lived in illusions and fantasies, to reality, so there is nothing, let's say, shameful, or there is nothing the strange thing is that people get tired from the war, there is physical fatigue, there is emotional fatigue, but then you need to rest, then you are tired, rest, if you are tired from the war - rest, i don't know how to reduce the consumption of information, reduce something else, well that is, adjust, find a way in which you will rest, but then return to reality, in it, because there is nothing, well , right now, that could help us

survive in this war more than just contact with reality, contact with by what actually happens, so what people start to unsubscribe, the fact that people are starting to create this kind of chasm between the rear and the front, it's just a form of miscommunication of the situation in general, miscommunication of what's happening to ukrainians, we're mis... communicating the war, we're miscreating mobilization, we are not mobilizing society in such a way that everything would be effective and in which society would really feel that it is involved in... everyone plays a role in this war, everyone wants it, he doesn't want it, he lives in this reality, and he plays a role, each person should understand what role, and then act according to this defined role, and moreover, if it is volunteering, if it is there, well, some very active actions, then people can really burn out, and then you need to rest, get tired, rest, no another

formula against burnout and against fatigue, so we have to live with it for a long time and... we need to really calculate our strength, we need to find how to rest, how to restore ourselves, how to restore our resources, how to constantly feed them, what is this activity, which is on the contrary, inspiring , which feeds you, that is, the more you do, the more it inspires you, every person can find this, and such a formula, whether you are in the armed forces or for the armed forces, should now simply become, i don’t know, the cornerstone principle of everyone there ukrainian, eh, if we still say that... we, we all understand that there is a need to maintain the fighting spirit, relatively speaking, in principle, morals, high morals, faith in victory, eh, well, at least let it be, but it worked, it worked in the beginning, what can replace propaganda, or propaganda cannot be replaced, and it must exist, it must simply be changed,

for me, for example, it was significant that the chairman, the chairman of the committee on freedom of speech, was finally elected, and he became, as it were, a representative of the opposition party the same voice that i know very well , yaroslav, and he said that we have a problem with the only news with the marathon, the marathon, and, but the problem in his opinion is that it is not effective enough, is it possible to increase the effectiveness of this, relatively speaking, a marathon, or do we still have to leave with positions, again the truth, because from these positions questions then arise about... the legality of the existence of the same marathon in principle and the morality in general of the possibility of lying to citizens about the fact that in order to increase efficiency in general , an information strategy must be developed, it must be known to everyone, everyone who works in the media,

everyone who works in the mass media, must understand what kind of information we have. already within the limits, within the framework of this narrative , we all have to move, but of course, what we see happened with the only marathon, he well indeed, well, we see the ratings, we see that trust is also being lost, and that he is not effective, so we need to change the strategy, so we need this single marathon, which became, well , there he even worked harder not to maintain the fighting spirit, to serve the ratings of the government there, so from this one. the strategy of maintaining ratings and pr should already be moved to a truly winning strategy, a strategy that will work for our victory, and which will, even in the long term, be clearly led us to certain points of victory, that is, to certain steps, and we know the strategy of small steps, we need to set some small,

small goals that we will reach, that we will actually achieve, and not say that we will do something like that there, but then it didn’t happen, and everyone broke down, and everyone stands by this broken trough and looks and is confused, like children, but where will someone lead us next, no, this should not happen, again, it’s true, talking to ukrainians, as with adults, to determine these strategic points that we we have to achieve, and the tactics must coincide with the strategy, and it must be the food, if the unification , the idea of ​​national unity must be echoed in the circle from yes, from every iron. zelensky should create a government of national unity, he should finally realize that this is a warring country, that everyone should unite, and instead we see some kind of political, internal, i don't know, showdowns , which i just don't know, but in the end, the ratings of the government itself collapse and act on her, well, harm her actually, so i think the eyes should be a bit of a toughening factor now measuring new ratings, should see

that it is a lie, it always collapses the ratings, well, and start building this joint. to form a government of national unity, i don't see any other way for us to win, it's just a matter of survival for today . regarding the unity of the holiday, i have also already seen several posts that if you post some happy pictures of yourself from the christmas holidays, from new year's holidays, smiling with glasses, with pampuhs, and socks, then i will unfriend you, i'm sorry, and that's how it increases this gulf between the military. and civilian people, as it is right for us , today, by the way, if i may, i would like to add two words that we spoke with the military today, he said that i am very happy that my relatives will be able to celebrate. sit down at the table, but don't make an instagram or facebook promotion out of it afterwards, because it hurts to watch, so then i don't understand why i'm here, and that's how

to be, how to be with that celebration so as not to hurt, some kind of hygiene, is it somehow possible to live life on the one hand, and on the other hand not to injure another person, well, actually, it is necessary to find this healthy balance, and indeed this gulf between the military and...civilians is not created by the military, the military precisely creates an opportunity for civilians to live, simply to survive in this country, and really they are there in order for life to continue, because putin and all russians , they want more than anything for us to really get lost here , for us to lose hope, for us to lose motivation, for us to cry, for us to scream in pain, for us to have no prospects there, on the contrary, on the contrary no, we have to do it, i mean support it each other and... to create these , you know, magnificent celebrations, last year someone thought of letting off some fireworks, well , that means that it generally says that people are either

inadequate, or they don't live in this world, or they have some kind of, you know, escapism , whether or not the war is repelled in this way, well, yes , there is such a category of people, but they should not determine the main direction, and even if all this were demonstrated in this way, it would really cause pain to those people who are lost... their relatives, those people who are now fighting at the front and fighting for ours life, so there should be a really healthy balance here, quiet joy in the family, traditions , all of this unites us, all of this really creates some kind of light in our souls, all of this should be done, but in such a way as to shout about it there , to forget where you are at all, to break away from reality and generally celebrate as if nothing is happening and no one is dying at this moment on the front, well, that's just me... it seems that you just need to return to reality again, and this should work here a common narrative, a common one that will create this atmosphere, will create this - this support

for each other, and he should also communicate quite clearly, i.e. there should not be such extremes , like, now i'm showing everyone who will be there who will post some kind of smile, or now i'll set off fireworks, fireworks, because i have to be happy, no, that is, there should not be an extreme, we just have to... find this healthy balance in order to, well, if only, support everyone with this, and finding this healthy balance is very difficult, but if you put yourself in another person's place, at least imagine what she can feel, then you can understand how, how to celebrate publicly, i mean, because no one forbids you to celebrate at home with your family or to be at some events somewhere, wherever you are. events for children, some are arranged, and some celebrations of st. nicholas day, where there are also children, for example, whose parents are at war, and of course there should be at least

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