homeland, because even such a simple question, where are you from, everything was somewhat blurred, and the second question, once again we talked about what, what, what would you advise, what did you like in croatia , what do you think ukrainians should learn or borrow from croats, now on our way to the european union, to the european nations, well, i saw how their negotiating team worked, and there were professional diplomats, so i will tell you right away , that ours should be strengthened, because we were given seven prerequisites, we barely fulfilled them in a year, and you understand that, compared to what we need to do, it is 1.5%, we barely did 1.5% in a year, so if you ask there , how many years can it last, well, multiply by 1.5%, yes, it is a lot of years, it turns out that if we work at the same pace as this... year, this pace

is unsatisfactory, so we need to recruit people who are authoritative and also leads this process, an authoritative person who will be listened to, because everything must be done in advance, and not at the last moment, at the last second, well, given war, it is clear that we are still being treated leniently and so on, but this cannot be the case all the time, homework must be done. and in the last days we are closing the last ones with laws, yes in the last days, and what could not be done before, yes it was possible, but why not done, here the question is why there was no political will, why they did not pay attention, why the prime minister did not push , why maybe the president didn't intervene and so on, if someone was fundamentally obstructing something there, i don't know...

any reasons, so you have to understand that if this is the bar for the 30th year, then you have to stay, that's it a huge number of laws must be adopted , a huge number, and at the same time they must be of high quality and so on, that is why this work is serious, and the croatian will do it himself, they themselves did not go in a group, they did all this, accepted, defended their positions during negotiation debates , and in this regard... there is no one else to learn from, they still have these people, the witnesses who organized all this, i think we need to use their experience more actively, the studio, uh, well, thank you very much, well, myself at the end, i will say whether this also applies to, for example, our embassy in britain, where the dismissal of the ambassador took place they cannot find a new candidate in a flash and for six months, we literally have a minute, i will tell you that the dismissal of the ambassador is lightning fast.

happens all over the world very often and not only in britain here, so these processes are like this, you can be fired at any second, you have no indulgence, that you go for four years and immerse yourself in this diplomatic life and so on , finding new ones is again a question of who can, how can, where can they go, i'll tell you, i from the ministry of foreign affairs often hold vacant positions. we are from simple things, saving money, thank you sir oleksandr, oleksandr levchuk, diplomats , ambassador extraordinary in the republic of croatia in 2010-2017 and in bosnia and herzegovina in 2011-2017, were with us, later on our airwaves will be about war, mobilization and anticipation of war in an interview with tetyana chornovol, senior lieutenant of the armed forces of ukraine and the commander of the anti-tank platoon, our colleague khrystyna yatskiv spoke with her, thank you for being with us, we will be back on the air tomorrow at 7:10 and thank you for 54,000 or so. added to our account today,

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i am glad to welcome the guest of our updated studio, this is tetyana chornovol, journalist, politician, military. tanya, congratulations , i'm very happy to see you, congratulations, and i'm so happy to be here, because i remembered, the last time i was here was before the war, i did my last broadcast, ugh, i actually wanted to start with it, because it's very revealing a story about who said what, who thought how and who was ready. february 5 , 2023 is your last author's program on espresso, which was about the tank columns that will go to kyiv. yes, yes, yes, i am already then. i was in military uniform, and they laughed at me , although in fact i was already then preparing positions for the sugna near kiev, that is, when i was doing this program, i drove right in the direction of ivankov and was looking for places where i would place the sugna, that is, there were two two two birds with one stone. so, consider that today we have not

an investigation, but intelligence. i'll start with the fact that the west has been warning the ukrainian authorities for a long time that it is necessary to be ready for putin's attack on kyiv, because putin needs it. not so much a lightning attack, a lightning victory. from the suburbs the russian troops will no longer escape from kyiv without civilian casualties, which means that on the terrain of a desert or a forest of water, the kremlin can induce the ukrainian authorities to capitulate in all matters. only the risk of disgrace can stop the kremlin leader. it is no longer a secret that the russian federation is sending troops to belarus. drops all the way from the far east. a platform with a hurricane got into the frame. along with hurricanes in the river, we can see russian t-80 tanks. if there is a lightning breakthrough, enemy tanks will be the first to go. putin's plans for blitzkrieg are here the nearest road from the belarusian border to kyiv is unlikely. successors for putin have every chance to be tied up in the ukrainian

defense. but putin is playing and preparing right here. russian tanks and volley fire systems have already arrived in moser. i don't know how you feel about... the feeling of fulfilled journalistic and already military duty in connection with this program, you know, such a feeling that they got through or vice versa? you know, in fact, it was very difficult to do this program then, why is it difficult, because i was convinced at the time that we were not at all ready for defenses of kyiv are absolutely not ready, but i couldn't put it in the program, that is, imagine , well, i was obviously just convinced that the tanks would go there to kyiv, they would just go, to say that i was there, i saw it. that nothing is done for defense, it means that everyone will simply give up, and that is why, to be honest, it was very difficult for me to prepare that program, i tried to find at least some advantages, i somehow pulled them out there, at least some, yes, but , but you said that you said that there are some fortifications, minimal and defensive lines they are still preparing, no, no, no, no, i

didn't even say that, i remember, and that was not the point, that was not the point, i was trying to say that the ukrainians will defend , huh on the assumption at the beginning of the war, yes, he was preparing this blitzkrieg, and he basically, well, when i went there, then i was still preparing a broadcast, i saw that it was absolutely real, this close attack on kyiv through the chernobyl zone , but putin made the following two mistakes: first, he unleashed the ukrainian army, that is, starting the war in the 14th year, it began in the 14th year, although it was not as intense as it has been for the last two years, but gradually the ukrainian army was built, a whole galaxy fell in love with us. elite soldiers, who in the 14th year had just graduated from military schools and since the 14th year

had nothing but war in their lives, yes, we lived a peaceful life here in kyiv, and they, from the 14th year, these graduates of military schools were in the ato and at the time of the 22nd year, they were already such rexes, in fact very, very, very great professionals, here and there the ukrainian army was rolled out, and it was they who protected kyiv, and the terror defense, and the rise of the entire society, but it should be noted that kyiv 72 brigade - well, putin understood that they could not protect, why? and because it is not far to the south, the white church, yes, there is an attack from the north here, when there are more other brigades around kyiv, then, by the way, it was not there, which i could not say in my broadcast, but i already knew about it , because all the other brigades that existed were based around kyiv, including the well-known zhytomyr and novohrad-volynska, they at that moment they were in the ato and... even the most interesting thing is that before the invasion , the national guard, which was in the chernobyl zone, was sent to

srilan, which is interesting, yes, that is , there were no military personnel around kyiv at that time, no actually professional military personnel unions , ah, there was only the 72nd brigade in the white church, but it managed, it managed to occupy the front line along irpin, yes, it managed, because putin did not expect such an arrival, because it really was, it was a crazy speed of march done, so i notice the second mistake. putin's problem is that he stopped, that is, he could have gone to kyiv in the first day, but i think it is also because of the instability of the russian army, probably because of numerous mistakes, probably because of what actually happened to them, they are not used to doing such things marches, they spent the night under what is called sofa beds, only then they decided to move on, and this was their big mistake, but what exactly will the tank columns be, because let's recall in one of his interviews, the leader gurbudanov said that... those columns were actually a distraction maneuver, the main thing should have happened

precisely at the airfields where the russian troops were supposed to land and disembark, the russian landing party didn't even have one, well, what about tank columns - it was the main strike force that was supposed to enter kyiv, occupy the capital, people would kiev saw that it was better to go out to these tanks with bread-and-strength, that would be the end of the war, they would have pulled out their wise calculations, and would have already held a parade parade in kyiv, i will tell you my... my friend stugnist, he shot near kharkov armored column, when he drove up to see, with who were they fighting there, it turned out that it was a mob with shields and rifles, they didn't even have weapons, that is, so that you understand, they were going to kyiv, well, actually, well, to kyiv, then to kharkiv, where else for a parade , but at that moment , after all, tank columns were the main psychological influence on ukraine simply capitulating, capitulating in the east, as for the landing, the landing troops rather played a role here. disorganization, and by the way, they fulfilled their role, not even the fact that

a certain number of troops landed there, which confronted there at this same gostomil airport, somewhere else, in the fact that we were all looking for this landing party everywhere, you will remember, the first, first days of the war, when there was, unfortunately, a lot of so-called friendly fire, due to the fact that there was widespread this information, troops are landing everywhere, catch russian soldiers everywhere, it was, it was a very serious psychological step, by the way, when i first heard about it, i was like, oh, now this will start, and by the way, how it turned out that i was right again, i understood that this information was purely for the psychological effect was made so that the ukrainians would start fighting each other, because , believe me, there was much less of these landing groups than there was information about them, well, just a hundred times less, huh, and you emphasized in the same program how important it is now our... defenders to beat up, pull up all the tails, emphasized that if we are talking

about anti-tank weapons, about the same thighs, then the number of launchers should correspond to the number of missiles that have been made, and many, many other points, to large-scale war remained there a little more than two weeks, i'm not asking if we've had time or heard you, but two years of large-scale invasion and a bunch of new challenges, very ... technologies that we didn't bet on, or didn't bet enough on , manifested themselves in very different ways invasively did, but unfortunately, two years that these technologies were buried, ugh. ugh, a very bad joke was played on us, and again, during the eight years before the large-scale invasion, fighting in the ato operations of the joint forces, we were building both the army and our own defense in parallel, as it turned out, as it turned out , more could probably have been done, but the combat force was created, and can we say that similar

processes are taking place now, that yes, the war has become very intense, but we are still... ready to reformat and respond promptly for her a little earlier, i will mention the previous periods a little, because for me it all hurts a lot, i worked in the security and defense committee, i declare to you with absolute responsibility, if at the time of the 22nd year we would have had a divisional ptuniv, aggression the russian federation simply wouldn’t exist , simply wouldn’t exist, because because of the black sea, let’s say, putin’s plans were to surround the capital in the first place, and you … pay attention, the russian troops from the south never moved, why they did not collapse, well, because by some miracle, some activists managed to save the neptune missiles, and they fired their first few shots at the beginning of the war, which we practically do not know about, but they were there, by the way, they stopped the amphibious landing, because the russians the russians did not know at that time how many we had neptunes, when they saw these shots, they were scared, although they were all our

neptunes, and then they saved them from the warehouses and finished the neptune that fried the cruiser moscow. yes, that is, in fact, even with those few missiles , there were not even ten of them, so you understand, neptune missiles, which by some miracle the enthusiasts actually made, because the state buried this missile program for two years after the victory of the green government, so with these dozens of neptunes, we they actually stopped the encirclement, the encirclement of kyiv, yes, that is, the landing troops in the odesa region, and i want to note this, yes, i want to note that there were other programs, air defense programs, which were covered by. then it was considered unimportant to us, now, now i am convinced, the whole society of ukraine believes that there is nothing more important than air defense, by the way, by the time of the 22nd year, we should already have our own air defense in cooperation with turkey, because such an agreement on joint air defense, the production of joint air defense was signed in the 19th year, but then it was all covered up, turkey made air defense without our participation, and was, by the way

, interested in our participation, because we had povorgat chemical plant and rocket fuel, yes , that is, i am... a small digression. further on the development of weapons. i understand that you wanted to say that the nature of war is changing and in some types of weapons, which are extremely relevant, russia is beginning to overtake us, right? that is, it means drones, it means kamikaze drones, it means that they have always overtaken us, it is all kinds of installations, rep. yes, there is a very big problem with this. in fact, we are holding on now only because ukraine. although production was delayed fpv drones, we have far fewer of them than in russia , but we have no less professional pilots, because again, enthusiasts trained themselves, each drone for them was prepared specifically for a tank, and they didn’t fly just like that, now we have the picture that the russians are throwing drones against one infantryman, for example one drone, although they still pity ours, it is for

a tank, yes for an infantry fighting vehicle, it should be at least 10 people. personnel, they just throw in the number right away, the only thing i say that saves us is this a low level of professionalism, she herself was squeezed more than once, the drones do not, the explosives do not explode, the drones do not hit, yes, that is, there are a lot of these drones, but in principle such a plus on our side that there are no pilots, thank god, how are they , as it was possible to afford their weapons, but all this impression gives us only time, well, that is, they, they will learn and... time, time, the fact is that you always have to move new technologies, i, for example, personally now i've switched to drones, and i'm already late, unfortunately, i'm clear i understood that i needed to master this technology, but in the summer we got a little confused , we had two installations working, i only had 10 fighters to service them, and

it was constantly postponed, postponed, postponed, by the way, now i have mastered this direction , and i see that i have already missed the moment. that is, the targets, for example, in the direction where i am currently fighting, have already moved 15 km, 15 km, i want them, they appear only for work, that is, the tank moves out to shoot, it does not shoot at such a range, that is, he drives in, shoots and back is hiding 15 km away, that is, now i need my own reconnaissance 24x7 in order to get targets already on fpv, i faced the following problem, that is, yes, i put robots in pvi, by the way, then i had a problem with bc, i not a blast, i had it the first time i took it out. the kamikaze drones didn't explode, i'm already doing bc myself, okay, i've already mastered it, and now it's up, my god, and now i still need my intelligence, why, i say 24/7. there are problems with this , of course the problem is that the one who implements new technologies must always win, the one who whoever is behind loses, yes, because all new, new challenges are constantly opening up

, of course, i am in communication with many groups, i will not tell you, but the old-fashioned way does not work, yes, you always have to be ahead, always ahead, although again , it's a swing, but i'm talking about 5 km, but now i can fly 15 km in half, it would seem to be an advantage, yes, but stugna is not afraid of the reb, yes, in the half it is afraid of the reb. what does it mean? and this means that some more time will pass, some more time, and the enemy will put powerful slaves, for example, on the same the tanks themselves, who will feel completely protected by the dpf, they will again come out ahead of me, and i will wait for them with a bang, that is , these ducks will be enough for these swings. the consolation for now is to thank the ministry of defense, enough hip rockets have been ordered for next year. i'll tell you, well, this number is really enough, because in this current year it was a disaster, it was just a disaster, it was one missile per month on one hip, one per month, yes, yes, yes, and you

you see, again, let the initiative be taken by fpv now, but at the beginning of the year they have not yet taken it, huh, and you have no idea how i missed these missiles when the attack of eight units of armor was going on, and this, by the way, rarely happens that you get such moments. it's true, students only shoot what they see, and then i come under attack, eight units of armor go, i have two rockets, i shoot from another troop, which is in position, and it is far away, it took only two hours to get there , they drive there for me position, they remove a missile from the position , they give me a lift, i have a direction where the lag has become a grain, let's say, another armor is approaching, i shoot another one with this missile, there is no further range... the problem is to do, for example , these missiles are 6 km, now they are five, yes, six, it is not a problem, these are the same installations, it is just that the missiles need more, a warhead, it will be a little

heavier, what is the difference, it will still be too heavy, too heavy , to just run around the field with them, they still get hitched, you know, and yes it was necessary for these 6 km, how many roads did i observe, which i simply did not reach, on which we simply drove there in piles, for example, arta, yes, take it and shoot, and there are 6 km, i am only one more kilometer on time ... again, now this time has passed, yes, that is, when i was on these roads, on which they drove in visibility for 6 km of art, now they have already been knocked out by fpv from these roads, time has passed, i already have this rocket for 6 km is not so necessary anymore, that is , we have to be constantly mobile, and when we are now fulfilling the orders of the past year, this year it will no longer work as effectively, so of course there are problems in this, but you know everything, i will tell you as a person who is constantly at the front, i am here on the 23rd, by the way not far away in solomyansk, the military signed a contract, just a block away from you, yes, she left,

she left, and in principle i do not, well, i do not actually leave the front, now in principle we do not even have a problem with weapons, in we have a problem with the fact that our personnel are not appreciated, this is currently the biggest problem of the ukrainian army, in one of his interviews you said how important speci' is. to be realized, you said it specifically in the context of women in war, but it seems to me that it is appropriate in relation to anyone who mobilizes, it is very important to have, to possess some kind of weapon, yes, the more weapons, the more you have the opportunity to be effective, and in fact, we already have a lot of personnel there in the army, well, well, i can say about myself, yes, from stugna i shoot from a corsair, from lng i calculate, artillery flails shoot, i fly on fpv. yes, well, that is , a resume that is a good resume, believe me, we have it in two years , there are quite a lot of people like me in the army, but the saddest thing is that here is me, or there

is petra, or there is vasyl, with such a track record, berka comes and we are simply thrown into a trench with one machine gun, without, for example, any what kind of defense is there, it's just like bulky muscle, personnel are not valued, unfortunately, it even came to such a point that a... some weapons came to an understanding, but at the beginning of the war, by the way, we lost a lot of weapons, yes , but now we have the opposite problem, we have a unit of some weapon valued more than the calculation that serves it. now, i often encounter in the army that, well , you don’t know what kind of games are going on, but let’s take away, for example, their weapons from this brigade, give them to that brigade, and simply send the calculation to the infantry , well, and these calculations are professional. no , there is no one else in that brigade at all, no one knows how to shoot with that weapon, that is, you have to spend resources there to prepare new calculations while they shoot, well, i don’t know 5 00 shells there, to become truly professionals,

which ones until they learn, i just don’t know what kind of attitude it is, i don’t know what kind of attitude it is to the cadres, and we are just now putting these people in the trenches, who already know how to hit the enemy, well , let’s not with the first, with the second projectile, what is the problem and why such decisions have to be made, for sure, i hope that it is not some special intention, but simply because there is no other way, no, we underestimate. some stupid people in the population, this is a general human problem, i will tell you what stupid means in principle, yes stupid is not the kind of person in what a low intelligence, this is not a bad person, it can be a good person with a high intelligence, but who by his actions causes losses for himself and for those around him, well, unfortunately, in principle, we now have such a situation in the country for a long time, that our elite consists of stupid people, and when the elite consists

of stupid people, this stupidity permeates. on all echelons , up to military tactics and strategy, because i don't understand who could have an interest in rotting the calculation of some sau that liberated snake island, who would be interested in it, who would benefit from it, only in order to take away from them, i don't know, the same thing there, for example, there bohdan, and give it to someone newly mobilized so that they learn from it, not to shoot and not to hit the enemy. in which, in which city of the chain do you think this lag occurs? i am asking now, bringing to the topic of such confrontation of the vocal and the unspoken in the military-political , i will tell you right away that i have my own very narrow fragment of work, yes , i have my platoon, a certain number of guys, there is a section of the front, there are combat tasks that need to

be solved, i know a little about it all... but everything i see around me , i really don't like it now, our army is gradually turning into a soviet army, there is a lot of self-righteousness, very little interaction, i remember the first year of the war, for example, when i fought in the 17th brigade, before with each operation, the commanders gathered, i don’t know, in some school, in some class, at their desks, we discussed every step, what we were going to do, we haven’t done this for a whole year, there is no such thing anymore, yes, when earlier intelligence gave me some whole, it's just that the boys found out that i was busy, and they were flying somewhere and they see something there, they found me , they were looking for me, now the targets, now i have to put intelligence on myself, huh, that is, i don’t really understand what is happening and why and who needs it now, that now we have such a situation in the army , that we are gradually becoming similar to the russian army, the qualification of commanders at a certain level can be a problem, and the biggest problem is the sure value of human life, again at

the beginning of the war. we blame the russians for this, and at the beginning, at the beginning of the war, it was highly valued in brigades, well, brigades, let's say this, professional brigades, which have been there since the 14th year, human life, because again, every loss at the front, yes from the 14th year, there until the 22nd year, these were immediately checked, and what happened, and why so, and somehow it was already so sewn in the blood that it should be appreciated, and here for another six months. half a year, another half a year, how can we fall so low, now we have it, i often come across the fact that teams brag about the number of losses, we fought so well, we have so many losses, and this is a kind of indicator of the effectiveness of their involvement in the real combat work, unfortunately, unfortunately, there are problems with this, very big problems, and yes, i was not ready for the fact that i will hear it so openly now, but to be honest, similar signals from military personnel, they are

periods... resounding , but you know, we , us, civilian people, we understand that a person who is in combat conditions and at the front, he can see a specific shade, there exclusively his own, and besides, well, we understand that this is a person with the maximum by the amount of critical thinking, on the one hand, but also emotional intensity, so how much is it can be linked to real history, i don’t know, here i will tell you, there is a very big... shortage of servicemen at the front now, our mobilization is failing, that is , once again understand that all soldiers are in spirit, they didn’t sit around executioners, they already went to fight in the first days of the war, again , all people with increased responsibility before their state, they also left, well, i don’t know there