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of the association agreement that already put an end to ukraine's euro expectations after the maidan of 2013-14, the very signing of this first part of the agreement showed that we are moving in this direction, but in order to to get the opportunity to negotiate with the european union, it took 10 years, is it a lot or a little? mr. vitaly, this is a lot, of course, but i will tell you. briefly, what happened 10 years ago, when, by the way , the association agreement was signed, because i signed the political part of the association agreement with the european union, it was just after the maidan, the government had just been formed , the country was completely lacking in governance, in general nothing works, i come to the council of the european union to hear from our european friends, as we will continue to move towards europe, and you know, in fact , during the meeting of the council of the european union, i am refused... that we sign the agreement,

well, this is a historical fait accompli, and then i take the floor, then, by the way, both merkel and cameron were there, and tusk was there then, and i say, tell me, please, how to return to kyiv then, with what to return to kyiv, and what to say to the people of ukraine, who are under the flags of the european union , which are little used in the member countries themselves of the european union, fought for our european future, and then, as a matter of fact , a political decision was made, er... with the understanding that if the european union does not support the signing of the agreement, then, well, the question arises, in general, on what values ​​does it stand european union. yes, that was 10 years ago, and what has happened now has some parallels for me, because, well, you could say that this is a really big victory, first of all, for the european union itself, when they overrode orbán's veto of the to start already. the negotiation process regarding

ukraine's accession to the european union. i emphasize once again, 10 years have passed since we signed the association agreement. but on the other hand, you have to look at things realistically. yes, this is a historic decision for the european union and for ukraine to return ukraine to the bosom of europe, but there may be years, years, years and dozens of vetoes by orban and others on the way to this decision. therefore, i simply ask everyone to understand correctly that this decision is an unambiguously positive political signal, but the road to ukraine's full membership in the european union is very, very long, and here i will give another analogy: as the minister of foreign affairs in 2007, i signed an agreement on the simplification of the visa regime, well, journalists certainly remember this agreement, because according to this agreement was simplified... the visa regime for many

categories of citizens, including journalists, since 2007 we spent 10 years to sign... to sign a visa-free regime, not a simplified visa regime, and my government then fulfilled 141 requirement of the european union, and in the 16th year we completed the technical procedures, and only in the 17th was the visa-free regime finally opened, that is, imagine the scale of the problems, the visa-free regime is roughly like this, and the membership of ukraine in the european union, well, in i don't have the breadth of my hands to say the volume of problems that will have to be solved during the transition. with our european partners, so that ukraine becomes a member of the eu, not to mention a lot of problems, the key problem is how the war will end, i would start with this in general, so that it is ukraine that conducts these negotiations mr. arseniy, if i understand you correctly, the big question

hanging over our prospect of membership in the eu is the outcome of the war with the russian federation, and the fact that negotiations about our accession are now starting, at all. doesn't guarantee us it if we don't win? khrystyna, it's a shame to admit it, but it's not that it's a shame, you have to admit the facts, you have to, you have to live in the real world, and in this real world, russia is fighting against ukraine. all over the real world, war criminal vladimir putin, several days therefore, at his press conference, according to his reassignment, he clearly repeated all these inhuman and terrible theses again. in relation to ukraine, more precisely, he once again said that he wants to take over all of ukraine, and by the way, look at how this monster's tone has changed, then he sat in diapers for a year, and now after the congress of the united states did not find

the strength to vote for a decision that primarily concerns the national security of the united states of america, and the role and place of the united states states of america in the world. to the system of coordinates , these 61 billion dollars are nothing compared to the consequences of his non-voting, and the same applies to the european union. i would be much more, i would say, positively disposed to our ether with you, if, in addition to the political decision on the beginning of the transition between ukraine and the european union, a very clear decision was made, which, you know, concerns specific things. today, money and 50 billion euros for four years were also not voted, and all our friends are well aware that the law of ukraine on the state budget, which was voted, is just not a piece of paper, because there is no money, as of today, and i understand how the ministry

of finance will still manage the months of january-february, and it is clear that there are reserves of the central bank, which in an emergency situation will have to be burned in order to fulfill... budget obligations, well, but this does not solve any problem at all, because in principle it means that ukraine is not able to maintain the economic situation in such a situation, and ukraine, not receiving finances and military help, then it will correspond to the theses that i read yesterday on cnn, they are already writing on cnn, and this, you know, is such a bad guy, he has been talking for a long time about the fact that, well, you know, if the event does not take place before... ukraine, then ukraine will lose. eureka they actually count how long we can last, it's true. well, it's a kind of theater, it's not even a theater of the absurd, it's a theater of historical irresponsibility in general. you can draw parallels, certain parallels, for example, in

the united states of america in 1948 , the marshall plan was just as difficult. extremely it is difficult, and by the way, the paradox is that so are the republicans. republicans in the senate of the united states of america voted against the marshall plan at that time , selling the same word -for-word messages about the inexpediency of supporting a free europe, as now some republicans are selling messages about the inexpediency of supporting ukraine, but as a result, the decision was made, and in as a result of this decision , the world order was actually fixed. which is now destroyed, after the second world war, and it is clear that we are in when we in three of your viewers we talk about this, we will not solve these problems, but at least our task is to say how these problems should be solved and in general, what

is on the agenda today for ukraine, so the issue of war is key, i will tell you just as frankly, what worries me the most right now and why should i applaud more... more is her decision to give ukraine not just prospects, but ukraine's membership in nato. and i am always very careful. i'm listening to vitaliy, and i have a problem with vitaliy, what am i? i cannot argue with him, because i agree with him on all issues, but i wanted to hold one such discussion with him, perhaps on this ether, one discussion regarding the fact that vitaly, you always say that negotiations as such are unrealistic for today, and here i agree with you that negotiations with putin as of today are unrealistic, because he did not see these negotiations, did not understand what to talk about, it is difficult for me to imagine negotiations where ukraine and russia... talk about that russia also agrees, you are taking away from the ukrainians territories, you pay reparations

, ukraine becomes a member of nato, ukraine becomes a member of the european union, putin goes to a military tribunal, that is, well, i do not see this situation, but i wanted to ask you about the second model: why, if our western allies, nato, and the member states of the european union, er, did not play the same, it may be incorrect to say the game, but they would not go the right way. turning to russia, saying, look, we have made a political decision, ukraine will be a member of nato, period, we are not discussing this decision with you, but in as part of this decision, we suggest you sign, for example, a new agreement between russia and nato member countries, first, second, a new agreement on control over conventional weapons in europe. the third, the start of a new agreement, is the limitation of strategic nuclear. fourth, there is a new agreement on ee akin,

well, that is, cyber security, then, then, we are proposing a mechanism for compensation for damages in ukraine, 300 billion of yours there, so they will work there for 15 or 20 years, the funds that go of these 300 billion are paid to ukraine, after ukraine will receive a full refund. so, then maybe we will consider the return of your funds, i can moderate for a long time, but i am interested in vitaly’s position on this issue, i just want, i have only one question, why should russia agree to this, and i i can tell you for sure that she will not agree under any circumstances, they offered her, she did not agree, what to do next, i will tell you, what to do next, because putin did almost the same thing when he proposed the so-called nato introduction, where no ...

that is, i would do this in the place of the free world, understanding that putin will not agree, but to publicize the world, we say that we wanted negotiations with russia, just such negotiations, we wanted to listen to russia's position, we offered them what we can offer them, russia and in refused this, therefore... we once again confirm our political decision regarding the need for ukraine's membership in nato, if russia ever wants to return to this issue, please, we are ready to sit down at the negotiating table, i can explain to you what the difference is between russian and western approaches. when russia was planning to propose this approach, it is completely unrealistic that none of the russian former soviet republics can ever be members of nato, which must be withdrawn. armed forces from the territory, she said, if

you do not agree to this, we will be forced to carry out measures of a military and technical nature, that is, such proposals make sense if you are then ready to fight, but putin has demonstrated that he is ready to fight if his these proposals are not accepted, he knew that the event would not accept them and was just preparing them as a foundation for war, what will the west, well the west, do. says: we will accept ukraine into nato, we will do everything, if the west is not ready to fight alone, then these proposals do not make sense. that is why, vitaly, i want that if the west would theoretically agree to such a model, the west would thereby approve it. we are ready to fight for a new member of nato, which is ukraine. well, they are not ready, mr. arseny, that's the problem. how to make them ready to make them ready? this is what we are talking about. that is, are you ready? is it possible it is theoretically possible to conduct negotiations, of course, but the conditions of these negotiations, the so-called

negotiations, i don’t even know, i don’t even know if it is correct to call it negotiations, maybe it would be correct to call it, if the west had the political will, the establishment of a new world okay, well, let 's raise the bar, you and i understand that now some secret negotiations at the level of the special services there, at the level of someone else, are actually being held between the west and russia, we don't know about it. but we understand what they can talk about there to say, some che, which, some there, do you remember, as in the times of the cold war, there are of course some back channels, some red phones there work objectively. that at the level of development, at the level of the military leadership, this is happening, what are they talking about, here, here vitaly, i do not engage in conspiracy theory, and i do not advise anyone to engage in conspiracy theory, i think that as of today they were talking about there was no nuclear strike, they were talking about a cheap de-escalation, about warning each other, about the likelihood

this nuclear attack, and with regard to ukraine, i think that there are no specific negotiations now, i would like to... ask you then about viktor orban, we have already talked about him, well, you worked with him, do you generally understand how to work with viktor orbán, what is the point of all these conversations with viktor orbán. look, it's true, i worked with them and met, first of all, what i see is not a win for europe now, postponing a decision is not a solution to the problem, and orbán has clearly shown himself dozens of times, and he proved himself in the most difficult matter. in addition to political, financial , economic issues, it is about 50 billion, he will continue to play, and i think that his game will be aimed at only one thing: to prevent ukraine from becoming a member of the european union, period, and i have no doubts, unlike from fico, with whom i also worked, he is the prime minister of slovakia, and when fico became prime minister, then there were a lot of exclusively

negative articles about him, i am not going to whitewash him in anything now, i will say. only one thing that when it was necessary then we managed with his government to start a reverse flow of gas, despite the fact that, well , actually it was against russia, despite the fact that it was not directly in the interests of slovakia itself, but then with our american friends we managed to do it and fizo in principle, now the prince behaved with tacit consent and at least he did not go anywhere, so i emphasize once again, returning to orban, i do not see any other game of his, than the game of raising rates for himself and lowering rates for ukraine, and what are the differences fico's position and orban, they have different economic interests , like when you were persuading fizo, what could be hoped for, well, you know, when fizo was being slandered, i was not the only one who was persuading, but they were slandering together with our american partners, i

think that the level connections and dependence and and fizo. and orban are somewhat different in relation to russia in the first place. ugh. finally, mr. arseniy, after all, the battles in the united states are all around help for ukraine, israel and taiwan. the senate continues negotiations on the additional request of the white house in the amount of 106 billion. and the leader of the majority in sen. chuck schumer, a democrat, says senators still have an uproar about the topic in general. literally next week does that mean there's finally some kind of internal consensus solution no look they can vote there's just one little problem the senate isn't up to it the lower house has to vote and the lower house won't be able to no tomorrow, not the day after tomorrow, not next week, so to remove all the procedural

issues that i think, i think that the united states of america ... will make a bipartisan decision about the support for ukraine, i do, well, i can't say that i'm sure, yes, but my feeling that this 61 billion will be voted, my feeling that the level of support, will fall, and that the election races in the united states will significantly influence the level of support for ukraine. my feeling is that if another president is elected, probably from the republican side, it will be trump, then for a reason, the senate in its decision, which they voted just a few days ago, approved the defense budget of the united states. think about it, for the first time the senate in decisions on approving the defense budget of the united states of america, forbade the president to withdraw from nato. that is, this already

means that the senate of the united states is theoretically preparing for what, for example. can become president and can decide to withdraw from nato, so in summary, both the european union and the united states of america are highly likely to accept these financial assistance packages, this is the first, second, all other financial assistance packages will be ten times more difficult than are going today third, it will be seriously affected by the level, general level of support. among the american people and among the europeans, because the phrase about the so-called fatigue from the war, well, it's just a psychological state of every person. when people begin to focus more on their own problems than on what they believe to be other people's problems. third, excuse me, fourth, without military aid, i.e.

directly not only financial, but key military aid, we cannot win this war, and here the entire military-industrial complex of nato member countries and ukraine must work for it. here, the fifth is the election to european parliament, and... we will have a new european commission and we will have a new european parliament literally in a little more than six months, and this must be taken into account, and it will also affect the process of negotiations between ukraine and the european union. well, the sixth is the main thing. apart from us , no one will solve our problems. in order to win this war, there must be one hundred percent internal mobilization. without this, even financial aid is unlikely. will give ukraine a 100% chance to win, that's why the first and most important thing is internal unity and internal mobilization. well, if

we talk about all these political changes, do you think that the very political changes that will take place in the united states, in europe, they will bring to power people who will not be inclined to negotiate with russia, and here the question is whether they will be able they will agree with her, what are the chances of the same donald trump, let's imagine that he became the president, he will agree on something with putin. you see, vitaly, i'm not quite objective here, because i do have glasses transparent, but sometimes i wear rose-colored glasses, that is, i remain a certain romantic in the part of the values ​​of the free world, the ideals of freedom, that the united states is the leader of this free world, that the united states cannot bow to dictators, that is, i am for me i live in this parade. and now returning to realism, can it be theoretical that the usa will start some new wave of negotiations with russia,

theoretically everything you want can be, and the same can happen in the european union, that is, what percentage of this depends on the mass events that will take place, but what does this mean, it means that the dictators will then win, this... means that briefly, in the short term, maybe someone will even think that this is the right decision, so let's go, so the so-called peace is not peace, but it is a surrender for ukraine, but in fact it will not be a surrender of ukraine, in fact it will be a surrender of the free world and the leader of the free world, who is still the united states of america. thank you, thank you, mr. arseniy, arseniy yatsenyuk, chairman of the kyiv security forum, prime minister. ukraine was in contact with us in 2014-16. we will now talk about how the government in poland is changing. we have myroslav cheh, a polish politician of ukrainian origin, a member of the council of europe for the second

term, on the phone. congratulations, mr. myroslav. good evening, congratulations. well, the government of poland has finally changed before there is another government of matiusz morovecki, donald tusk again became the prime minister of the republic of poland. how they will really change. relations between poland and ukraine, because at the same time we hear that the nazbijja will be preserved, the quotas, and that again the strikes of these carriers may continue, but we expected that all this would be resolved quickly, well, first of all, it will be resolved quickly, but you give it to me in order, a little bit. i was shocked to comment on the words of my predecessor, former prime minister arseniy yatsenyuk, who said that in a year america's attitude to aid

to ukraine may change, that misfortunes may happen when trump wins the elections, well, there is still a year left, well, a little less year before the elections in the united states, it is a huge amount of work, er, due to a huge amount of time, er. ukraine receives, will receive both support and financial support from the united states , and will receive financial support from the european union, and this is financial support for the perspective of four years until 2027, that is, the investment of the european union for the long-term perspective of ukraine regarding relations with ukraine, as it will be and as in new polish. power, the coming to power of donald tusk again will have an effect on it, well , it has already had an effect, because i do not take the european union into account, so otherwise, contrary to all

the predictions of skeptics. that there orban will block everything, orban will decide everything, and what the heck difficult situation in europe, europeans don't understand anything and so on, adopted the fateful decision to start negotiations on the accession of ukraine and moldova to the european union, the candidate status of georgia, as well as speeding up the process of negotiations on the accession of the countries of the western balkans to the european union. that you vitaly know very well, understand the weight of this decision, and we understand that this is how it will happen, that is, it is already visible, and central and eastern europe, contrary to expectations, forecasts and politics, and you invested billions of dollars and the involvement of the entire the agency did not bend, and the elections in poland changed the trajectory of the victorious course of populism in this part of europe, and let's hope

for... in general, this is firstly, secondly, of course there will be problems with agriculture and there will be problems with carriers, with something others, and what does this mean, well , i am about to turn on the news from the european council summit and the decision to start negotiations on ukraine's accession to the eu, and you know how they talk about ukraine as a... great state agricultural sector, i.e. they understand that joining has huge advantages, competitive advantages and huge potential, and this should be looked at, agriculture in ukraine is already competitive today not only in europe, but on world markets, and now imagine when ukraine joins the european union, it is according to the laws the formation of policy and finances and...

the budget of the european union will receive over two budget perspectives, and this is 14 years, 170 billion euros of direct subsidies, these are not loans, these are not some loans and so on, these are direct subsidies for the development of agriculture, how to use it? ukraine is not ready for such negotiations at all, poland is ready, poland wants to protect its agriculture from competition. competitive, competitive state, competitive country, which is ukraine. the ukrainian side is generally not ready for these negotiations. i would, on the other hand, talk to the polish politicians of the new government, there are many of my friends there, i am more than convinced that when i sit down for a hundred negotiations, such and such negotiations will begin, that is for sure, and it is necessary for both ukraine and poland, then all the problems will be resolved because the coming to power. and the new

coalition means one thing, that there will be substantive conversations, there will be no attempt to justify playing the anti-ukrainian card in order to gain 2-3% in the elections, additional, but there will be substantive conversations, and this is a huge advantage, that is, in essence, tusk will be engaged in defending interests own citizens, but at the same time not to really use neighbors in this game, but... but mr. myroslav, a very bright quote by donald tusk: "i don't want to hear about fatigue from ukraine anymore," and mr. vitaly asked how he the premiership will generally affect the relations between poland and ukraine, and i will ask you, can tusk's premiership be set again by the trend of aid and commonwealth, specifically for our country? of course, well, then we will talk, well

frankly. volodymyr zelenskyi, when he had a period, and a justified period of very friendly relations with the president, duda, completely neglected the polish opposition , including donald tusk, in the list, that is, we must understand that there is one side and the other side in this political process, and this political the process must be renewed from both sides, i am very i am satisfied with the fact that both donald tusk and... volodymyr zelensky exchanged very good statements on posts on tweets, but posts on tweets will not replace bilateral relations, and these bilateral relations should be formed on such parity, on the principle of parity, that is, one side country and the other country should say and tell about what our interests are.