these are four different countries, but the people are essentially united in one space, the hungarians actually united in one political space: ukraine, hungary, slovakia and romania. there is no more between the hungarian communities, by the way, this is what orbán said earlier when he spoke about the european integration of ukraine, that this will be the end of trianon. all hungarians will live in the same space. on the one hand, this is quite an interesting moment, on the other hand, it is a challenge. of all these states, because you understand that the hungarians, who will be in one european space, are the center of it the european space for all hungarians will not be ukraine, not kyiv and not bratislava, but budapest, with all the results, even with the distribution of these hungarian passports, everyone knows the romanians: two romanian states will be in the european union, romanians who live in ukraine and who live in other countries of the european union, it unites european peoples, but actually creates. there are also new challenges: the serbs who live

in serbia, in bosnia and herzegovina, and have their own identity there, in kosovo, by the way, i forgot that another story, if serbia becomes a member of the european union, will be that in serbia, there is actually a hungarian autonomy, a voivodeship in which hungarians play the main role, and also this voivodeship, which has always focused on belgrade, will start to focus on budapest, because the influence of the hungarians is very large, i can list a lot of it for you. these consequences, for which no one is ready now, and this is outside the war, so to speak, it is post-war, but we are talking about problems that will need to be solved, so we will seek solutions for them in the context of the entire european union. i want to to sum up this topic, probably mention the experience of some countries that had to change even their own name just to become a member of the european union. yes, that is, sometimes

the requirements from the current members of the european union to the potential member can be more than controversial, this is what i am trying to say very diplomatically, i can't imagine, or rather i can imagine, but the battles will be fierce when we touch on the topic, i don't know, for example , national memory and our policy in relation to it, we recently had a concept of national memory, we recently... they began to unearth, i'm sorry, in the archives all these terrible things that happened to us and our people, and this is all a fresh wound, into which now someone can stick a finger, because he has his own vision, it is obvious, it is obvious that without the agreement of the pedp politics, historical memory, we won't be able to do anything with neighboring states, it's true, because neighboring states can also change governments, well, that 's how it looks, i remember from my own experience, you mentioned north macedonia , i remember how i flew out of...

skopje airport, when the first flag of the independent republic of macedonia flew there for the last time, which was then changed at the request of greece, because it was the first request to change the national symbols, to abandon the flag, which was similar to the flag of alexander the great, and from everything connected with this symbolism. the first thing macedonia did, back in the 90s, was to change its national symbol, then all these disputes about the name started, i have to tell you that macedonia is still incredibly lucky, it just seems like it, you are not can you imagine how all this happened in general, it 's just, you know, a historical window, we also need to get into such a historical window with all these problems, because in macedonia , in greece, there was simply a left-wing government.

ugh, and this left-wing government of such-and-such a left-wing government, it's almost a radical left-wing government, there may never be another in greece, and this government was not as burdened with problems of a historical nature as the governments of the conservatives and the socialists, because you are the two leading political forces greece was against the very word macedonia, leader. of the greek socialists, andres papandreou , the former prime minister of ukraine, renamed the province centered in thessaloniki to macedonia , created the macedonia palace there, spoke as if shouting that there would be no macedonia, the same was done by the leader of the greek conservatives, kostiantinas mitsotaki, i remember i remember how i came to greece, to macedonia, to thessaloniki, and people there told me, my god, what a horror, we are, we are in such danger, macedonia is right next to them, they believed that this small country could attack them, to attack the country of the european union, nato. it would, that is, they were afraid not

some conflicts with turkey, a great power, and the small former yugoslav republic, it was like the russians in relation to the ukrainians, so on. and at this moment this left-socialist government of greece , so i would say not even socialist, it is the ultra-left government of greece, you have to call a spade a spade, alexis tsipras, who has already finished his career, he said, well, we can agree on north macedonia, for all other greek politicians there could not be any macedonia, they said, macedonians should be called the republic of skopje, somehow, so that the word macedonia is not macedonia, just only. you know, this is a humiliation, and it so happened that macedonia at that time was governed by the social democratic union, which was essentially a post-communist formation, we would say from the point of view of our most serious

patriots there that they are post unprincipled post-communists, uh, and now the unprincipled post-communists have agreed with the principled left radicals that macedonia can be northern, which i don't think so. offend, it is true that this territory is northern, well, it is northern macedonia, and that macedonia that is in greece is definitely macedonia, we have no doubt that macedonia is there, king philip is buried there under the salt pans, i was at his grave, i know for sure that it was king philip who was the king of macedonia , i learned this at school, i mean the father of alexander the great, and they were able to find this compromise, it’s a miracle, and now it means that with... in bulgaria, a miracle has not happened, you know, uh, because there is no such thing in bulgaria government, which could resign with the bulgarian policy of national memory, it's just that there are no such political forces there, the political forces there are divided into more or less such ones who are willing to recognize the fact that

there is no macedonian people, no macedonian language, and this is also some kind of fairy tale, you understand, by the way, as we often do with the poles it happens that bulgaria was the first country to recognize the independence of the republic. macedonia first, they haven't had time to vote yet, bolgarovska, we recognize you because you are ours, because we are one nation, no, you are not one nation, one nation and we recognize your state, just recognize that you are a second the bulgarian state, and we will be just best friends with you, best friends, and the macedonians refused this, and this is huge, and again, i was once in sofia, and they tell me... it is like this, i will tell you anecdotes, only a bulgarian or a macedonian can understand this joke, you see, a bulgarian tells me this joke, as a person who should understand how ridiculous it all is, and he tells me that a macedonian is coming, from north macedonia, to take the exam for bulgarian citizenship, well bulgaria is a member of

the european union, and therefore many macedonians want to have, and it's not a problem, because bulgarians recognize them as bulgarians, they only know the exam, they don't have to give a language exam actually, because it's... almost, almost the same languages, they're very similar, so i'd say macedonian , which are not very similar, but they are similar in character, and they pass the exam in history, not in language, because it’s like we took the ukrainian language exam with you, so in belarus, no, not even true, not even in belarus, i i don't know, in the lviv region, well, it's like this, that's how they ask them, and the king is like that, ah such a tsar is a bulgarian tsar. well, he answers everything as per the textbook, and then tells me this bulgarian comes out and says haha, how i deceived them all, these are the macedonian kings and the macedonian state after all , you see what macedonians are like, and i think, my god , you see how deep it went, it went into folk folklore, and it's a whole, uh, a whole

story, and one, i studied with a guy who was macedonian from bulgaria, i thought he was macedonian, he. .. denied everything, he was a fellow countryman of the famous vanga, as you know it to say, seers, seers , well she was macedonian, but no bulgarian will ever admit that, well, because this is part of macedonia, ugh, pirin macedonia, and this is why i am telling you this, these will be the same conversations that we can be with poles, and i always explain to my polish friends for years that, well, look, all your historical... problems with memory, they are related to western lands, well , you understand when you start talking with a person from kharkov, from mykolaiv, from odesa, he does not understand at all what it is about, for him it is the same history of polish-ukrainian

relations as ukrainian-british or ukrainian-french, this is such a big state, it is relevant for all of you, from szczecin to ljubljana, because you are scattered across the territory. of my country, which was formed after the second world war, here the country is regional, people in lviv, lutsk, ternopil, these are all living, real memories, closeness and such. another, although again, generations of people who did not speak polish were already growing up, even in ternopil and frankivsk, this is also true, but people in kharkiv, well, they will even be surprised that it turns out that there were conflicts with poles, they live next to russia, someone there lives next to romania, just like in odesa, and there it is a completely different context, and it is very difficult to explain that in general in the account, these are not , not, not generally national problems, but problems with regional memory, because in

poland, this is how the fate of this state turned out, regional memory is completely different than in ukraine, because poland was moved, a large number of poles who lived in lviv turned out to be in wroclaw a lot needs to be told, as it was with us, but nevertheless, precisely because we remain one way or another in the neighborhood, purely territorially, with russia. we follow our hands and our rhetoric, fortunately, although the russian federation can no longer correct our historical memory, it did it much more successfully than all the poles, hungarians, romanians and bulgarians combined for 300 years, so what are we sub objectified in this sense, at least from them, it is actually wonderful, but this is a decision of the european council and of a historical nature, which happened, happened on one day with putin's direct line. and in principle nothing new was heard there, as far as i’m concerned, that there

is de-nozification, demilitarization, recognition of territorial realities, i can already pass it like in an exam, putin will not say anything new anymore, khrystyna, no matter how the war ends, okay , but you don't think that the overall context of that direct line was any other, that is, well, i don't know what you think about those messages, i don't know how authentic they are, that they put out, they always do, it's a democrat demonstration. uhu, and what do you think about the account a student from st. petersburg, who used technology and appeared in the image of putin, well, if hinting that there are doppelgangers and so on, these are all urban legends, the uncle jokes, well , he likes such things, and this is not something new, well, new - there is artificial intelligence and they show that they are a modern country, they don’t start, you see, they involve us in a ridiculous dialogue, discussing all these tricks of the schmuck, you know how it is... you don’t need to refer to it at all, what it is like some, you know, a palmist, he comes out, there is something shining,

something is ringing, there are some bengal lights , at this time he will steal a man from you, this is a russian tactic, you see, so i would not pay attention to it at all, they are writing something for themselves there, inventing something, and they create it here, and after oleksiy aristovych tells us what good people they are, how backward we are, the illusion of democracy in russia, yes, no. democracy is when you are shown an unpleasant inscription, no, democracy is when you have a competitor in the elections for real, huh, and this is a huge difference from ukraine, from russia, i would say even ukraine, and those the situation in which we want to get into the european situation, into the european context, you understand that we are just going to another, that is, we are like on a bicycle, and we are being held, in fact, they are held so that we do not go anywhere, in fact, you understand , this, if we speak realistically, is an ordinary european country, it has always been just

an ordinary european country, nothing, no special differences from some neighboring country, it has poland or hungary, well, it was not, well, read the history there in the middle ages, what these hungarian kings participated in the competition for some princely thrones here on ukrainian lands, did our princes appeal to the polish... kings, this was all the norm of life, then the year 1654 passed, in fact, this is the blackest date in the history of the ukrainian people, there is no need to invent that it was a huge victory there, it was a serious political mistake by bohdan khmelnytskyi, the number one mistake that he made in general, the number one most important mistake in the history of ukraine, from 1654 to november 1917, we just went to asia, because that, until what we joined from smakav. it was asia, asia, an asian despotism, not even china with

india. asian stupid despotism, which was played in such a europe after peter the great , purely from the point of view of the cover, but remained an asian despotism. in november 1917, we went in the other direction. unr, ukrainian autocephalous orthodox church, real. the possibility of creating a state, we were stopped and held so simply like this until until from 1920 to august 1991, we again started to go from... from the place where we were stopped, and now reached the european union , conditionally speaking, to candidacy, due to independence, due to the legalization of the ukrainian greek catholic church, due to the creation of the uoc kp, due to tomos, due to the association agreement, now the candidacy of a member of the european union,

and now we have to leave there, and this scarecrow is holding us russian. imperial , which is just holding with the help of its army, so that we don't get there, and everything that's happening, and putin talks about it on his direct line, uh, we have to keep them, so that they don't get there, they have to be here, we we have them drag them back to asia, where bohdan khmelnytsky sent them, and a little bit about civilizational trends, really without exaggeration, i promised you to mention about... anti-semitism, xenophobia, all this broke out in different countries, i hope it was not khmelnytsky provided you, no, not him, they just remembered our conversation with myroslav chakh, but less so, we see that different things are breaking out in different countries, yes, but in ukraine, many say, and there is a war going on in them, they just don’t care moreover, they therefore do not reflect on the events in

the middle east, in ukraine, well, some i don't personally observe crazy trends in this direction, moreover, there is a survey by kmis, and this study shows that ukraine is one of the most pro-israel, oh, something you don't like this topic, that's good, i don't know , ukraine is one of the most pro-israel countries in principle in the world, supports israel in the struggle for existence without exaggeration, more than 60% of the surveyed respondents, this is at a time when we see how the movements of different plans everywhere in... then this pro-palestinian rallies, it is already a problem that that they put an equal sign between hamas and palestinians, that's the number one problem , i think any people should support the right of the palestinian people there to have their own statehood and so on, only when the right to

their own statehood is not accompanied by the destruction of women and children , ugh, and voting for those who downgraded. a guy with a russian, who had israeli russian passports, who was released by the personal intervention of putin, and you know that this guy escaped from the captivity of hamas, ugh, and these poor, unfortunate, peaceful residents, gasses, who are so protected by the participants of the pro-khamas demonstrations, gave him back, they did not hide him. they gave it to the terrorists, knowing full well that probably with great joy, that's all you need to know about the civilian population and their attitudes, but that's it, let's stop there, because i'm absolutely not going to say that civilian deaths or anything positive, we understand very well what hamas was counting on, this idea was, the more

civilians are hit during the israeli response, the less chance there will be of an arab israeli reconciliation, which of course hamas, iran and russia want, so these people are just cannon fodder for hamas. why is it not like in many western countries, by the way, not in the arab countries, you see that the arab governments are very restrained, very restrained, but i would say that the crown prince of saudi arabia reacts to events much more cautiously than the prime prime minister of spain. ugh, it's not something like that. not quite ordinary. we, for one, do not have the influence of this great middle eastern migration, which also defines the political landscape in many countries of europe and a large part of the people who go to the demonstrations are migrants from the countries of the middle east, who came from dictatorships, from tyrannical countries, but absolutely do not want

the countries in which they lived to adapt to democracy, to democratic norms. that's... the huge problem with this migration is what the far right has been talking about, unfortunately, and now they're triumphing over these demonstrations. this time. the second point, which is also important. carriers of pro-khamas, pro-terrorist movements. there are often representatives in europe left-wing political organizations. these are the same people who supported the aggression of the soviet union against czechoslovakia, who supported the killing of demonstrators in... in hungary, these people have always been on the side of evil, under red flags, they are simply their grandchildren, they are also inseparable, they are simply now got the opportunity to realize this hatred of theirs because of these anti-semitic slogans, which were also part of this trend. let's not forget that the great intellectuals of the west were quite often members of the french or the italian or any other communist

parties, justified evil, and these are the symbols of evil, such great thinkers as sartre, all our favorite children's writers there, such as gianni radari or italo calvino, they were communists, justified evil, and there was also a huge ... the number of french philosophers there, althusser and so on, who were maoists, who were supporters of mao zedong's cultural revolution, who were absolutely delighted to watch the conwaybins kill just people, throw them out of windows, kill university professors, burning books, all this was justified in the auditoriums of the sorbonne and other french universities, which were carriers of evil, why are we surprised that now the universities of the united states of america have become these carriers of evil. these people have always been an example of intellectual incapacity. now masha hesson, who is known for her efforts to fit the russian-ukrainian war into the context

of her own political, i would say, benefit, compared the actions of the israelis in the gas attack with the actions of the nazis against the jews. and this despite on the fact that we already know that the large number of workers who received. work permits in israel could support their families and somehow get by with this poverty brought to them by hamas, were participants in terrorist attacks on israelis, non -hamas, ordinary civilian workers, killed, robbed, raped, but for ms. hessen it is completely normal, so that she speculates on these topics like all these people and we have communist ideology and leftist views and all these bastards have been defeated because we came out of communism and then we have happened, unlike in russia, where the communist party is still part of the landscape, and comrade zyuganov, the old pirets, says to putin: you left without a hat, you saw it, you

left without a hat, you need to vaporize, vaporize, vaporize the one who let you out without hats, the leader of the communists offers someone to swear , imagine, swearing in the stable, the leader of the communist party, which is a pro-patritariat, but this is an organic part of russians. consciousness, and our communist party of ukraine, which survived after 1991, was also an organic part of the russian conscience, and the leader of this party, petya simonenko, fled to moscow in his underwear, after the russian attack on ukraine, after this mirzotnik, for whom the detention center in lukyanivka is crying, the russian special forces were sent, then how can we treat the communists. chauvinistic, synonymous with occupation, meanness and ideology, when it failed, it is synonymous with betrayal of the ukrainian people, which means that we do not have a large number of migrants who could change this landscape one way or another, and we

do not have a large number of people with leftist views, because these left-wing views compromised themselves by systematically supporting anti-ukrainian discourse, here is the whole answer to your question, that is, we simply have a different political landscape than in many european countries, nothing strange here. no, this is not even a story about jews, because we have, don't forget, practically no jews, all the jews we who live here can be counted on the fingers of several hands, because we know them all personally, starting with the president , but none of us cares about this, precisely because it is, unfortunately, jewish the community, unfortunately for me, as a person of jewish origin, that large jewish community that always traditionally existed here, but it disappeared, during the... holocaust, most of the people were destroyed, and those who continued to live left in the late 1980s x, at the beginning of the 90s of the 20th century, and make up a significant

part of the population of the same state of israel, the united states of america, these are all the people who have now become victims of the war, by the way, many ukrainians feel a deep kinship with these people, because he is still i lived with them on the same streets and in the same apartments, but the community as such is not large, there are people who are part of the community, but it is a small community...compared to other national communities of ukraine, this community is, let's say, historical, you understand, it is historical, but not physical, and this, too , to a certain extent determines our state sentiments, because you understand that somewhere in france, in germany, there is a jewish population, more temples, more cultural life, more... there is a place to go and break the windows, relatively speaking, this is not the case with us, after all, again, i would like you to wait, menorahs have appeared in kyiv, they have appeared in kyiv.

there are many people who understand that these are minors , you understand, i was very happy when i saw a minora on the streets of kyiv, the way i am always happy when i see a ukrainian church somewhere in europe or in america, this is about one and that moment of nostalgia, you know, when you walk somewhere in chicago and see a ukrainian church and you feel at home, and it's exactly like that for me, when i see the minora, i feel at home, it's like that, i would say a complex complex perception of reality, although you know there is a part of our citizens who say that if ukrainian tridents were placed everywhere in israel, then i would understand what minors are doing on our streets, just your short answer to such a thesis, well , i think i know how to answer, but from your mouth, i think it will be more convincing, i think that in israel, first of all, there is no traditional ukrainian ethnic population that has lived in this territory for centuries, and most importantly, that in israel there are churches in which on...

christian holidays pray, and orthodox christians, and greek catholics, and catholics, and to things that need to be done realistically, it is not , the menorah is not a trident, so to speak, it is conformity to christ as such, it is one of the religious symbols, it is necessary to increase the ukrainian church presence in jerusalem, this is through the ecumenical patriarchate, this is an important task, now that... there is an orthodox church of ukraine, we must think about the courtyard of the orthodox church of ukraine in jerusalem. i would really like it to happen, so that ukrainians and pilgrims who come to jerusalem can come to this courtyard and talk with the priests in the ukrainian language, that's what you have to think about, and that's the daily presence, you see, the minora stood, hanukkah is over, and the minora is no longer there, but there is a synagogue that the people of lviv

can come to there every day. to pray and from the point of view of the religious importance of the holy land for every orthodox christian and every greek catholic, i would just like, because this is what i always lacked in jerusalem, to come to such a ukrainian yard, maybe it is a ukrainian yard. i need to be organized at one of the churches the ecumenical patriarchate, which exists there, is not easy, because the patriarch of jerusalem does not recognize it. of the orthodox church of ukraine, he is one of those hierarchs who opposes this autocephaly, but maybe we should think about those churches that are friendly to our church, which have already recognized the ocu, which have their own churches there, maybe we need to do some work with them to find such an opportunity , so that ocu priests could serve in jerusalem, and that this was also a part, so to speak, of the continuation of this church

independence, which also... paves our way to to europe, as a country in which the kyiv metropolis has been since ancient times, we definitely deserve it. thank you for this conversation, thank you viewers and listeners for being with us, it was saturday's flight club, vitaly portnikov and khrystyna yatskyi were with you. our colleagues will continue the broadcast of the tv channel in a few moments, you definitely should not switch, and follow our releases in the future. thank you for that. who were with us on this broadcast, we will continue to talk with you about current events in the world, i think we will see each other again next week, right, we will definitely see each other, and we are preparing for you the final issue of our program, which , despite that, will be practically holidays, but stay with us, do not miss it, thank you khrystyna, khrystyna yatskiv and vitaly portnikov, all the best.

this year, thanks to western aid , ukrainian air defense was significantly strengthened, american patriots appeared, the number of german arst systems increased, together with the united states, it was possible to adapt soviet anti-aircraft missile systems, which is still the basis of the protection of ukrainian skies under western rockets because the soviet reserves are almost exhausted, all this gives reason for optimism, as the president spoke about during the online summit of the group of seven countries. this winter, we have a chance to win the energy battle. last year , russia tried to impose a blackout on ukraine. its missiles and iranian shahedis, which became weapons of russian terror, tried to destroy our energy industry. now we are settling the air defense forces. especially with your support. and if we continue to do this, if we push this earth

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