of course, then we will talk, well, frankly, volodymyr zelensky, when he had a period, and a justified period of very friendly relations with president duda, with peace , he completely neglected the polish opposition , including donald tusk, that is, we must understand that there is one side here and the other side of this political process, and this political process should be. be restored from both sides, i am very pleased with the fact that both donald tusk and volodymyr zelenskyy exchanged very kind statements on posts on tweets, but posts tweets will not replace bilateral relations, and these bilateral relations should be formed on such a parity basis, on a parity principle, that is, one side, ukraine, and the other country should say and talk about what our interests are, donald tusk, even before... the elections

on called a week or a week and a half before the elections, taking into account the playing of the anti-ukrainian card by the right of the party. myroslav cech, polish politician, hope that we will now reconnect. ugh. ot. but, of course, i can agree with myroslav that which is actually very important that there are some real steps. uhu, that restored everyone. because for a long time all these problems had to be solved, if you will, at the level of personal relations, ugh, and when personal relations deteriorated, well, let's say, as between the presidents , then it turned out that there was no such institutional foundation, but there were good relations under during the war from zelenskyi and duda, well, something managed to be solved at this level. they quarreled and it immediately became clear

that no one saw any needs for any understanding, yes, these problems are real, i honestly thought that such - tumach personification in politics is exclusively our trait, but we see that in principle our neighbors from the european union also suffer from this, institutional rigidity, this should be really fundamentally important, and i would really like to gentlemen too. i would also like to ask you, mr. vitaliy, about another rather interesting incident, the sejm of poland and a deputy , the mention of which is now being avoided by all self -respecting people, at least in poland itself, and, according to my observations, no poles i'm asking, no, no, we don't know , we don't understand at all how it was possible to vote for it, so that it was at all where it is under its mandate, extinguished the hanukkah minora, is known for its ukrainian-phobic positions there, and so on.

er, how does this generally illustrate or not illustrate, and those stereotypes that exist in relation to poland, maybe in relation to ukraine, because later we will talk about kmis and the fact that ukraine is a very pro-israel country, well i think that the same issue is not in israel, the issue is in xenophobia, ugh, here we are, he turns out to be an organizer of anti-ukrainian events, he is a xenophobe, if a person is a xenophobe, he hates everyone around him, ugh, except for that one. which she has built in her head, she, she is ready to work only, conditionally speaking, for those poles who share their views, people of all other nationalities, enemies, those poles who do not want to agree, traitors, well, that's all, and there are a lot of such people, what can you do, this is real life, if you like, it is what it is, and we talked about poland in the context of protection by polish politicians of their citizens. farmers

or representatives of any other niche professions and so on, we will also talk about how we are with the protection of our business in general during the war, literally in a few moments, i will remind you that on december 6, the president of ukraine volodymyr zelenskyi signed a law on canceling the moratorium on business inspection, and what it gives us or what it deprives us of, let's ask kostyantyn zhivago, an investor, entrepreneur and philanthropist, he is in touch with us, we congratulate you, glory to ukraine. glory to the hero, i congratulate you, good evening. good evening, well so the fiscal regulatory pressure on business, what will the impact be in terms of your view? in my understanding, what we are doing now is a requirement of the european community, the united states, the international monetary fund, the fund, this is one of the beacons that they offer ukraine to actually fulfill, and nothing will happen from the fact that we made these decisions , i hope that... business will understand this, because

in times of war, everyone must consolidate and help the state, first of all, get as much tax as possible, because taxes are exactly what is financed by the armed forces of ukraine and... and i am sure that what the international monetary fund demands from us, what the european community, the united states demands, is not something, not something too much, that it is exactly that , what their entrepreneurs do , these are the taxes, in fact lower taxes in ukraine than taxes in western europe than taxes in the united states, that is, exactly what entrepreneurs in the united states pay in europe, and give me at least one reason , why ukrainian entrepreneurs should say that they must pay twice as much tax. or not to pay them at all, or so that there are no checks on them and no one controls them at all, i believe that it is not necessary to bend the stick here, and it is simply necessary to understand in what situation, in what condition the state is and just the same in a way to take and do the right things for the state from the side

of entrepreneurs, including, for one and a half years there were no inspections, for one and a half years there was no undue pressure on business in my understanding, today we return. to a normal economic model, and all that requires the international monetary fund, in my opinion , we must fulfill. in general , how do you think business regulation affects our efforts to integrate into the european union, we have some positive takeaways this week. does this decision and the signing of this law actually bring us closer in a practical sense? definitely getting closer. i 'm sure everything that the event requires from... our partners, the people who give us their money, they give their taxpayers' money, and if they give their taxpayers' money , they don't use it for themselves countries, they don't build schools , they don't build roads there, they don't build medical facilities there, they give money for ukraine's struggle with the aggressor, with the russian federation,

if they require us to do something, we have to do it, and that's in in this situation, they do not try to invite us and ask us to perform twice as much, but to pay two or three times as much. taxes than their entrepreneurs pay. we, in fact, today, if we pay 5% of the popes, then in general such taxes do not exist in europe, there are none there tax less than 15, 20, 25, 30%, that is , all workers, all entrepreneurs, all taxpayers pay much more taxes in europe, in the united states in comparison with ukraine. and in this situation, if they ask us to please do it , please do it, we have to do it, but... in this situation, the state of ukraine has to do it honestly, because what are we complaining about today, what are ukrainian enterprises and entrepreneurs complaining about today, that criminal cases are being initiated, people are being thrown into prisons, people are being given pledges of hundreds of millions of hryvnias, and sometimes billions of hryvnias, when it's illegal, it

's generally illegal, but everything that investigators do, everything that prosecutors do, everything that judges do, it's just a mess, and definitely the europeans look at it and say , you please... don't do it, but pay taxes, in the situation in which you will be now, if you want, these are the changes in european legislation, ukrainian legislation, which will be related to european requirements, which have to do ukraine to prove its, let's say, economic capacity at a time when negotiations with the european union on integration will be held, will there not be problems for the ukrainian industry, for all of us? i'm sure not. says because the ukrainian industry has paid, pays and will pay all the taxes today, the ukrainian industry today even makes more than it did in the pre-war period, because it is even more than all these taxes, that is, on top of these taxes

, the ukrainian industry and industrialists pay actually report to the armed forces of ukraine, help the socio-economic life of the regions, the socio-economic life of the state, that is, today, in fact, the tax and generally social contribution or burden of business is much greater than it was before the war. the only situation that definitely, as an economic situation in the country, it is not that good because we do not have access to exports there 100% like before the war, we do not have 100% economic development growth, given the military situation, that is the absolute number taxes, the absolute figure of gross domestic. the product is less and the taxes that entrepreneurs pay are lower than they were before the war, but they are still big taxpayers, they did everything as before the war, and they do it today, in my understanding, in many cases they cooperate very, that is, fruitfully with the tax authorities , but with regard to these laws

that we passed today, that the president signed , that, as i said, were signed at the request of the international monetary fund and the donor countries, these laws absolutely in no way ... in any way will not be able to do there something bad for our efforts to joining the european family, the european community, we must understand that if we have a trade center. m2, and there it is divided into 200 fops and they pay 5% tax, instead of paying such large enterprises, 20% tax, 18% or 22% tax, this is a mess, and this should not be allowed, and our western partners, they see all this, and therefore we must understand that if we want to be part of the european community, then we must pay the same taxes as the european community and generally play the rules of the european union. notes, because you can't have euros in your pocket and you can't have european laws, and for some reason to say that we

will live some kind of personal ukrainian life there, that doesn't happen, so improve the tax legislation , improve the tax culture, the main thing is not to regulate it and don't squeeze the business, there's a golden mean and we'll be happy, thank you, konstantin zhivago, investor, entrepreneur patsenat was in touch with us, it's time to take a short break, yes, but stay with us. we'll be back in 5 minutes or so before? tingling and crawling sensations arise spontaneously and disturb you. the dollgit anti-neuralgia complex helps to normalize the functioning of the nervous system. dolgit antineuralgia helps to return to usual activities without tingling and numbness in the limbs. capsules dolgit antineuralgia - help to your nervous system. and those stairs, my legs can't walk anymore, wait, i'm suffocating, that there is no health, and what kind of health is there in

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turn on. verdict with serhii rudenko. every day on weekdays from 20 to 22 for espresso. the espresso channel and ukrainian pen present the self-titled project with myroslava barchuk. a series of conversations with ukrainian and western intellectuals who analyze and comment on the most relevant social debates. what kind of news will be analyzed. project this week and actually who will be the guest of the studio, we will find out already this sunday, definitely, the topics will be relevant, the guests will be special, their own names with myroslava barchuk, sunday, 17:10 at espresso. we continue saturday's talks with khrystyna yatskiv and vitaly portnikov, and in this part of the program, as we always talk with mr. vitaliy about the fact that... the biggest historical decision touches our hearts, ukraine and moldova got access to negotiations on

joining the european union. georgia won the candidacy, and president salome zorrabishvili says that it would be unthinkable without ukraine. bosnia and herzegovina is also taking certain steps towards the european union, which is also important, because it is again yes, the balkans, we will talk about that with you, mr. vitaly, a historic decision, but there is a long road ahead. well , of course, there is a long road ahead, every country that joined the european union has a long road, many countries have not yet come to the end of this long road, if we talk about the countries of the western balkans, because decisions about their perspective and negotiations with them was adopted many years ago, even 20 years, and only croatia of all these countries was able to take advantage of this opportunity, now we have a hard time imagining how the pace of western balkan integration into the european one looks like. union, but in any case we must realize that the candidate status itself is of great importance, because if we imagine the situation

a few years before the war, for many of our neighbors the question of the european perspective of ukraine did not exist at all, there was an eastern partnership scheme, such club of post-soviet countries, and i was always against this scheme, because i believed that it was generally some kind of bullying, let me... people who were supporters of this idea grow up in one actually institutions, in the same boat, belarus, which is a member of the... csto of the eurasian union and putin's biggest ally is the lukashenko regime. armenia, which is a member of the csto of the eurasian union, may not be moscow's biggest ally today, but one way or another it is bound by institutional agreements. azerbaijan, which is not bound by any institutional agreements with moscow, but is not going to have any institutional agreements

with europe, there is no association agreement, and the countries that have signed the agreement. about the association: georgia, moldova and ukraine. the question arises what they do together there, what unites them, apart from the fact that they left the soviet union in 1991, when they have completely different ideas about their future. there is nothing in common between the ideas of present-day ukraine and present-day belarus. there is nothing in common between the ideas of present-day georgia and present-day azerbaijan. georgia wants to be a nato member of the european union with azerbaijan. maintains neutrality and special relations with turkey, these are different political vectors of development, and that was one idea, then, then, there was the idea of ​​these agreements about the association, then a new idea came up , which was invented by emmanuel macron, he is generally a great master of inventing such constructions, of a european political community, remember, yes, there should be a european

political community, and it should be bigger than the european union, the european union. and the forms of this european political community are already taking place, it is working, and therefore in this situation, of course, ukrainians could always say: listen, you are already connected with us by so many ties, the eastern partnership, we are with you cooperate we cooperate, the association agreement, you fulfill it, you fulfill it, the european political community, it's called neighborhood policy, different approaches to neighborhood policy, and we say, we don't want to be your... neighbors, you know, between neighbor mistress, big is big , and there is still a big difference between a neighbor and a wife, and therefore when you excuse me, i want to marry you, and not live in the neighboring apartment, you understand the difference, as a neighbor i will bring you everything, mandarins, oranges, champagne, cake just don't worry

no, i need a marriage contract, this is our relationship with the european union. the european union , and we were basically told, this is what they said: well, we can consider our marriage contract, you will not be neighbors anymore, the country with which we are considering a marriage contract, that's a big difference, huh, and that's the historicism of this decision, then, of course, if you don't really want to get married, then you consider this marriage contract for a long time, but this is completely different than when you said no marriage, no, we will remain without you forever. there is more one feature that distinguishes us from other countries , which we are also talking about in the context of this decision, is that we have such freedom and a certain equality now in the conditions of war, in the context of our economy, the european union, one of the reasons, why

is what is happening on the border with poland, the normal regime is now established for the country, but it can be canceled after the war, well... after the war, we will also talk about that, it is not known when and it is not known how, but whether can this condition actually play such, such a wicked joke on us, and that's it due to the presence of this condition, we will take longer than other countries to step into the eu to full member status, i don't think everyone perfectly understands that this is a benefit that exists only during wartime, but in addition, we must remember the state of our economy, what distinguishes us from other countries is not only the fact that restrictions have been lifted for us. and also the fact that our economy was destroyed, georgia's and moldova's was not, this is still also a difference, well, they themselves are doing quite well in some aspects and destroying their own economies, like us did before the broad mavda, but in any case we understand that it is better to have restrictions without war than no restrictions, yes and war,

so i don't think that this is exactly a significant problem, i think that the significant problems will be based in ... the pace of victory , how fast they will be, and there is one more important problem that we have to talk about, this is the problem of territorial integrity, this is a fundamental problem, and this is a question that no one can answer, because it is possible to conduct negotiations, all requirements are possible of the european union to perform flawlessly, and then stop at the moment with territorial integrity. is the european union ready? this applies not only to us, it also applies to moldova and georgia, accepting countries that they do not control. of your territory , which you accept at the international exit borders, but they do not control their territories at the international exit borders, this is a huge problem, because there is no answer to it, and

here, too, you know, you will have to read the list of points of the european union for negotiations for beginning, there is always another point, yes, the most interesting one, and this point is different for serbia, let's say, it is normalization. integration, if we are talking about economic legislation, but then the europeans said: listen, what about the normalization of relations with kosovo, and the leadership of serbia answered: "listen, let's finish our negotiations, then we will deal with this point." to which brussels said: "listen, what's the point?" if you don't address this point, what's the point of spending taxpayers' money? to negotiate a conspiracy, this is serious work painstaking , so let's get to the situation with kosovo to some extent, and then we will continue the negotiations, we will close chapter by chapter, we see how it

is doing great, and serbia stopped, not because it was not good at negotiating, but because it stopped, because the serbian leadership cannot recognize the sovereignty of kosovo, there is no appropriate mood for this in society, and the language is there, excuse me, i will immediately ask about the recognition of sovereignty... kosovo or normalization, because normalization is also very difficult concept, well, i think that normalization, which assumes that serbia must agree to the fact that kosovo can join international organizations and so on, so on, there can be a whole story here too, because serbia says that it will never agree with kosovo becoming a member of the united nations. well, it is not up to serbia to decide here, there are russia and china, which can block for kosovo, even if serbia agrees to this. but the members of the european union may have another question. let's imagine that you do not recognize kosovo, but normalize with it relations, but do not recognize as a state, and we see kosovo also in the european family,

ugh, that means that your acceptance into the european union automatically blocks the european integration of kosovo, this cannot be, we will not let you take advantage of such a chance, that is, we can accept you only together, and in order for this to happen, we have to solve the issue of recognition. kosovo, and if it is not, then we have to get a guarantee from you that you will not block the admission of kosovo if we admit you to kosovo, and these are all matters that there is absolutely no solution, huh, and we understand that no guarantees that serbia wanted to give to the european union, they will not work either, because serbia already had the guarantees of the president of cyprus, who, when cyprus was admitted to the european union, promised that cyprus would fulfill the so-called anna plan, which envisaged. that referendums on reunification will be held on the greek-turkish parts of the island, and when cyprus was accepted into the european union, he fulfilled this promise, only

the president has already changed, and the president who was elected was for this one for that in the referendums, the greek people voted against the merger of ostro, and they supported this new president, they supported that they should vote against, on the turkish side. voted for this union, which is now controlled by the self-proclaimed turkish republic of northern cyprus, the greek part voted against it, the european union certainly looked like it was spit on, and to repeat it at least once with something, i don't think that european politicians have the desire, although it has already passed a lot of time, so here i also have a big question, we always we are focusing on the negotiations, on those laws that we should or should not adopt, i think that we will adopt all the laws that are needed for european integration. the visa-free experience proved that how much our legislators did not commit themselves to certain laws that hit directly at their chastity, they

accepted everything anyway, did not go anywhere, and now they will not go anywhere either, but there are issues that we cannot change ourselves, i i mean the issue of territorial integrity, well, if the negotiations end, at this point ukraine will not fully control all of its border, there may be a question, huh, and by the way, the president of moldova has a sanda, you know, she already talks about... two-stage integration, but i don't understand what it is about in terms of reality, she says that it is necessary first to integrate the territory of moldova that is controlled by the legitimate government in chisinau, to integrate transnistria already at the second stage and that moldova's integration into the european union will be a signpost for transnistrians, who will see how good it is, what advantages it has, perhaps it will be expensive for transnistrians order, i i think that even many of the transnistrians who still remained there, because the number of people there is decreasing all the time. as you know, on the territory of the self-proclaimed transnistrian republic of moldova, they will simply move to moldova, and some will not even move to moldova, but to other countries of the european union, will they already be

citizens of the european union or not? should they live in this teraspol or in bandera, if they are young people, you know, who are thinking about some perspective, they have been moving to russia all the time with russian passports, well, if possible not to russia, and relatively speaking, to poland or great britain, well, not to great britain, i apologize, to ireland, let's say, where the citizens of the baltic countries moved en masse at one time, well, these people will also move, but how can they move together with the territory, when the territory is controlled by the russian army, it's... not a question of integration, it's a question of strength, and the same applies to our territories, but on the other hand, if the european union says, you know, no, we can't do anything to decide, neither for you, nor for moldova, nor for georgia, while you don't restore your territorial integrity, then it means that the key to this, i would say, situation is in the hands of putin, not brussels, yes, and that's why it seems to me that you need to make non-standard solutions, this is important, non-standard solutions, and what are they

will be... i don't know, but this is an absolutely unusual process of integration, which the european union has never faced, and for the western balkans, and for ukraine, and for georgia and moldova, on the other hand, just imagine when we we are talking about georgia, if georgia is admitted to the european union, european the union will have an enclave for the first time in its history, huh. which will be virtually isolated from the other member states of the european union, this has never happened, well there are islands, well yes, but it is a mainland situation, a state that does not fully control its territory, that has an occupied territory, at the same time it is disconnected from everything another european union, completely, well, at least fortunately it has a border with one nato member country, but there is another geopolitical one.

the situation of armenia, which is located between a nato country, turkey and georgia, which is also can become a nato country, itself a member of the csto and the eurasian economic union. how will it all work? you see, these are trade routes, we forget all the time, they cannot be like that, now there is a road to armenia through georgia, trade routes from russia. if georgia becomes a member of the european union, this road will no longer exist. form, and if we imagine that georgia became a member of the european union, and sanctions against russia continue, that is why the georgian border is closed for russia, how to close all others now border. it is unclear. the next question, which is also very important, is the question of all these unresolved territorial problems

that i spoke about. the next issue is the issue of serbia and kosovo. kosovo is still not recognized as a prominent part of the member states of the european union. and at the same time, the european union demands from serbia the normalization of relations with kosovo. perhaps it is necessary to start at least with the legitimization of the status of kosovo, with some clear decision. collective, you mean. collective for the european union, yes. we all recognize kosovo, we are going to accept it to the european union. or not, then imagine the european union, if it will finally look like a perfect structure after all these integration processes, albanians, ugh, live in three countries out of four, and albania, serbia's border with kosovo, kosovo and north macedonia, that four different countries, but the people essentially unite in one space,

hungary. in fact , ukraine, hungary, slovakia and romania united in one political space. there are no more differences between hungarian communities, by the way orban used to say, when he talked about the european integration of ukraine, that this would be the end of trianon. all hungarians will live in the same space. on the one hand, this is quite an interesting moment, on the other hand, it is a challenge for all these states, because you understand that the hungarians, who will be in one european space, are the center of this european space. will be for all hungarians no, not ukraine, not kyiv and not bratislava, but budapest with all the results even with the distribution of these hungarian passports known to everyone. romanians: two romanian states will be in the european union, romanians, who live in ukraine and who live in other eu countries. it unites european peoples.