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are back on the air, continuing our marathon, now we will talk about the situation at the front, together with our army expert mykhailo prytula, in the meantime, i remind... about our gathering and thank you for talking with mykhailo nepran while we were talking , 10,000 hryvnias were added to our account, this is great and it's incredible, thank you, just about 15 minutes of conversation, and plus 10 thousand in our account we collect for special such powerful portable battery stations that work on solar panels and can replace generators in field conditions for our military. now you see the qr code on your screens. here he is. please join our gathering. our soldiers from the 108th dnipropetrovsk separate brigade of the territorial defense forces of the armed forces of ukraine will be extremely grateful to you, as will we grateful and we will be grateful to them for the fact that they

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the year 2024 should be like in the war at the front, we already have mykhailo with us, and the publications are mostly foreign , too. yes, mr. mikhail, mr. mikhail, yes , not you yet, oh, we see you already, yes, we see, and i hope we will hear, do you hear us, yes, everything is fine, great, what, there was a lot various interesting publications this week, mostly foreign, in particular, in build a map of future conquests, which, which the russians are planning for themselves, and that it seems that they ... are going to fight for another 36 months, at least, and eventually capture kharkiv, this is the goal this war of theirs, at least at this stage, it will also mean that they have to maintain this pressure all the time that they are now, the military says that there are very many russians now, very many are mobilized,

serious very attacks on key for them in the areas of the front in donbas, in particular or near kupinsky and leman, in your opinion, to what extent... this, to what extent the russians will be able to withstand this pressure, well, we also have many questions about how we will restrain them. well, first of all, the russians, of course, with their informational statements like this, they are trying to destabilize the situation in the cities, which they said there, that they want to seize something from them, and thus force the civilian population to leave these cities, and uh ,... to determine, let's say, the economic risks of these cities, what they are as if they are trying to capture, on the other hand, they have serious problems with armored vehicles, no matter how much they try

to save it now, but their losses in armored vehicles are quite serious, already almost 16 thousand or more than 16 thousand. they have lost units of armed equipment, so they cannot in principle realize this potential, that is, they are trying to use the maximum of manpower now, and they do not just have a lot of manpower, they have enough of it and there was enough of it many, many years ago, who could to think, he had already left russia, and there remained, as a rule, those who are under such a serious threat. you tv, and they will die there absolutely voluntarily as long as necessary, so russia will continue this pressure as long as this conglomerate called putin or the collective path is alive there, that's what will happen, they will

try to move on, of course, that their desires can spread, or the signs of their desires, almost to the whole world. as they were taught once there, we will destroy the whole world to the ground, and then we will not build anything, that's it thus they try to raise different ones there. set fire to various areas , including, for example, we see venezuela, north korea, iran, that is, where russia is, they are trying to set fire there now in order to cover up the crimes that they created before that, what is happening to them, will they be able to go further? well, to what extent do they have enough economic resources, because soon there will be hunger riots and everything

else, because it is all starting, it will not go anywhere further, one with also another an interesting publication is also in the same, by the way , the bill that appeared, it they interviewed various ukrainian officers who are not named, who say that it seems that now there is a new strategy in the armed forces of ukraine, this is a strategy. which is aimed at killing as many russians as possible, that is, to reduce the number of russians, this is the main strategy now, as one of the unnamed officers said, if we lose one to 10 for one ukrainian 10 russians, then we hold on or even go on the attack, if in us to each other, we retreat, territories weighs less than than than the task of losing to the russians and preserving the personnel of the ukrainian, i ... i don't know if this is really the case in the armed forces, because what we know so

far is that we have no plans to reject offensive, our president zelenskyi says that we will not retreat anywhere, and he actually says this , that we have not retreated anywhere, we continue to try to expand the bridgehead on the left bank and also, by the way, there is a quite terrifying publication, the new york times, which cites the words of the marpichs who survived during the actual the forcing of the dnipro and there, i understand that the losses are very high, all this is letting us down, and at the same time, budanov, for example, spoke today and said that no recruiting will help us, we have more than a million armed forces, and we need new waves of mobilization, how to make new waves, how many people should be caught on the street then, or how should it be, in a word, this is all a big question, one of the questions... which i particularly have in this whole situation, from the very beginning we classified our loss, at the

time it seems 99.9% thought it was the right idea, and i remember that from the first world war to the second world war, the states that represented the democratic world went the other way, they published losses, today, maybe, if we knew the price. different things, we would be less optimistic about some other things and would have possibly less losses, respectively, are there pros and cons of the fact that we continue to close the losses, but at the same time we say that everyone will go to fight with us, even women, i just don't see the logic here, it seems to me that it works the other way around even more demotivating than the real state of affairs with real'. the losses that we have

, the question in the models and which models are working, we see now in parallel with our war, or the expansion of our war to the southern theater of military operations on israel, we see that in israel the losses are not only not hidden, their losses, well in fact, daily they publish who died and this happens... this is after informing their relatives about the death of her hero about the death of the hero tzahalu who died in the line of duty, there are appropriate officers who come and they explain, well, they inform the families of the victims, and after the families of the victims are notified, they are the first to learn about such a tragic event. and then, if the family does not mind, then

the lists of the dead are published, and in this way the heroes are honored, and there is no hiding who died and who did not. to what extent this model works, we see, it works, that it deprives the enemy of the possibility of any manipulations with the number of losses, with the number of dead. or wounded fighters, and unfortunately, the model, when we hide something, it gives room for wide manipulations by of the enemy, whether it gives ... to our people some confidence in our victory, i do not know , i cannot say, but i am sure that the losses we incur are not small, and the price we pay for our freedom is quite this price is high, in any case, these are difficult numbers, and let's

say, in my opinion, the israeli model is more, let's say, vital, than the model that is used in our country. well, anyway , it's just that if we don't report losses, then we 're supposedly reporting that there are no losses, and that, i'm just afraid of that, and that i i hear a lot from private conversations with servicemen that this, to a certain extent , makes the life of each specific serviceman less important, because it seems that there are no losses, well, the battalion commander lost an entire battalion. during the assault, so what, i went for replenishment, there are no official losses, but the israeli model is more vital in this case, it seems to me, because each commander bears more, more responsible, greater responsibility, because everyone knows, who is the commander of their son,

husband, brother, sister, and so if the commander is doing wrong. some things, then it is known to everyone at once, if it leads to losses of personnel, and thus the whole society knows its heroes, its generals, knows who is responsible for these or other losses or for those, and who should be rewarded for victories, and this is a more useful model for the development of society in my opinion, well, of course, there is the experience of millennia, which... and well, this model, it has been tested not by one day, not by one war, and not by a dozen, it is a model that has been tested there, well millennium, so it seems to me that it is necessary it would be better to pay attention to this model and apply it here, it would increase the responsibility of the commanders and the responsibility of each of

us as a society, so that we understand what is happening in general, whether it is this or that or it is not too late by this, or for example, the figures released will not be a shock rather for there i don't know consumers of news from the telethon of news which actually on the contrary will lead to some kind of total depression and despair, well i think that it will not lead to total depression and despair, because all , in those whose relatives died, they know about it, everyone who has friends who died, they know about it. i know about my friends, my loved ones who died in the war, about their relatives, everyone knows this, and in the end, if we all know everything, then from whom and what we are hiding, there is no sense in this, so here it is case, i think that the transition to the israeli model, it will encourage

us more to understand what is happening, to mobilize. society and to greater, let's say, efforts that we have to demand from specific officials in terms of support our army, because there are really many things that are not completely clear, like when do you think we will be able to switch to the israeli system, will we be able to, will those people who make the decision to take such a step find the strength? who makes decisions about this? good question, well, i hope it's not at least an advisor, some head of some office, because that would be very strange. one, by the way, also from israeli models, this is also just a story about communication by society, stories about what is happening at the front, and we have already said about this more than once that they have

a whole rear admiral who gives briefings for everyone, for all journalists, every day, and not like it. is happening, yesterday, for example, president zelenskyi was in lviv, as far as i know, he had a meeting with the regional media here in lviv. i can honestly say, at the same time, that the meeting with the president is huge, well, if, well, he has not actually given briefings for the ukrainian media since the beginning of the war. accordingly, it should have been a huge event, but in fact, no one could be accredited there. well, for example espresso wasn't there, there weren't just other not... just like some media and so on and so on, this means that in principle no one could ask any questions, except the absolutely loyal media to the president, but the good news is, for example, i... could be in the israeli model, it is there, there all the main news about the war is told only by the tzahal spokesman, could there also be such a model in our country, when we have a real spokesman, and not

a person who reads a prompter is what was prepared for him, and a real person, for example, a general, general zabrodsky, for example, he comes out and says, i can't tell you this , it's a secret, here i'll tell you, here i want you and i'll make a political comment, i have no problems with this, because i believe that... what can i do, well, that is, a person , who has complete control of the situation, has access to all the secrets, but also has the absolute confidence of the command and has the right to make any statements, you know, i subscribe to certain channels that are israeli-speaking and in hebrew from tel aviv, which are about the tzahal. and shabaku, that is, these are the channels that have a constant feed of news, official news, and they sometimes do such things there things that a certain event happened, but

we can't tell you which one, but it's very important, because we have a censorship ban on its publication, but wait, then the censorship is lifted, this news is like this, that is, if it goes the dialogue with the society is constant, then... the enemy has no opportunity to manipulate people's minds, there is no opportunity to give information that can lead the society to oman, this is a very important point, and how quickly we can come to this conclusion that our society has matured to the point that to understand all these things, to take the information as it is, then... i hope that it will happen very quickly, however, will there be such a responsible person who will go, and after all, the front in ukraine, it is much greater than

the front in israel, and the number, let's say so , of events that take place on our front, in ukraine, it is ten, twenty times more than what is happening in israel, there are gases there, there size 200 km. as far as i understand, when they sometimes fought on three fronts with three states at the same time, well, they are holding on, let's say, preparing to fight with several states at the same time, and because everywhere they have such, scaled models, the ties between us ukraine and israel are much wider. or a knife , well, it’s customary to talk about it, because it concerns both the development of rocket technology and control systems, it concerns very, very many things, what about mr. mykhailo, thank you for this

conversation, we probably don’t have time anymore, i wanted very, very briefly to ask again, well, i don't want to just go on a sad note, because there are so many of us with such problems points were raised, there was also an interesting interview with nikolange in german. a politician and a former employee , the deputy minister seems to believe that ukraine can actually stage a serious offensive next year, if it manages to hold back the russian offensive and inflict heavy losses on the russians, then as of next year there may be a situation where we will have a lot of much more western equipment, he reminds that most of the aid that zaluzhny was counting on has not yet arrived this year and has begun to arrive. just now, for example only 30 leopards arrived out of 200, here, but they continue to arrive now, there will be planes , that is, maybe next year will be a serious

offensive, very short, a minute, yes, it will be, because the quantitative indicators will turn into qualitative indicators, during this time prepared are already preparing, many of our soldiers are preparing, who are studying foreign technology, europe was not ready for a large-scale war, it is already ready. there was time for preparation, the same applies to the united states of america, well, at the same time , russia will lose these six months more, it quite a lot will lose armored vehicles, manpower, and the problems that russia will have, they will increase during this time, so russia will be weaker, ukraine will become stronger and there will be an opportunity to liberate our territories. well, thank you very much for this conversation, mykhailo prytula, a military expert, an expert in military counter-intelligence, was with us, and here we go. for a short pause and we will return, the sensation of tingling and crawling of ants arises

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