in the two-hour format, even more analytics, even more important topics, even more top guests, foreign experts, inclusion from abroad, about ukraine, the world, the front, society, and also feedback, you can express your opinion at any time of the day with the help of a telephone survey, turn on and turn on, the verdict with serhii rudenko, every weekday from 8 to 10 pm on espresso. well, dear friends, we are back in... and this is our final hour of the espresso marathon for today, i remind you of our collection and i want to tell you that it is moving and moving at a good pace, already for this hour, how long are we on the air and, for this hour, something is hanging on the internet, i wanted to say how much we collected, i looked somewhere a few minutes ago, it was... plus 14 00 uah per hour, and if

you count from by what happened in the morning, there will already be 35,000 in our account, well , don't wait, it's +14 and it's already up to +15, now we'll talk about ukrainian cinema, as well as russian cinema, which has been talked about for several weeks there are many discussions about the series that was released in russia. is about teenagers of the end in the 80s, the word boy and about the fact that our teenagers today, for some reason, this word boy, as they say, has caught on, and now intellectuals and those from various fields are talking about what needs to be done so that our teenagers it didn't go in, but something else did. now we will ask marisa nikityuk , the director and screenwriter, what she thinks about the... issue, did she see the word

boy, or did she decide not to waste her time on it, mrs. maris, congratulations, and good evening, well, to be honest, i had to, thanks to you, i still had to get acquainted with this product, i'm sorry, i'm sorry that we forced you, and not, but i'm even grateful to a certain extent. that due to the great discussions there, it seemed to me that i was fooling myself, it seemed to me that there was something very cool, but this is a rather mediocre, not badly made series, well, a little bit, er, how to say it, with brutality and with a certain historical background, that is, there is the main, if the main point of what it was supposed to be about, it is not just you... a fictional

story, if you remember, we had a host of russian teenage series to no one remembers about the cadets, who are they talking about, how many, and in my opinion, there are some of the same actors playing from all that, well , at least it seems so, and it is against the background of all the content of serials that are produced there in russia and, to be honest, in in ukraine, such as low-quality serial content , low-quality series, where she died, then came back to life, then she is pregnant, then... she is her brother, and so on, that is, this is all that we can imagine the worst, in principle, against this background this series doesn't have cross-glaze, well, it's unpleasant to watch in terms of vision, it's there aesthetization of violence, like bad boys , well, they help each other and support each other in some way, i don't really understand what the joke is, if there's time, maybe i 'll try to explain, because someone looked and looked very banal, that's it as a banality... ugh, because netflix, well

, imagine that in order to be, well , watch good modern content, a modern ukrainian teenager needs to have three or four streaming platforms, netflix, apple, hbo max, half of them in fact, not even all of them work for ukraine, because we have pirated content, all pirates work for us, for example, half of the content is not posted, like amazon, yes, yes, i have yanin’s film, which we shot from... released on hbo max, it does not show in ukraine, as soon as it was released on hbo max, the next day it was non-existent, well, that's all, that is, it's this kind of scheme, only, that's why they don't show us half of this context, most of the content, most of the good stuff, it should to know the language, there they talked about the polish series people, about you won't watch a scandinavian series, but there was some very cool drama in my opinion. as for teenagers, you won't

watch all this, because you don't know the language, or it's still on pirate streams, well , those are the same type, they're still translated into russian. and relatively speaking, there is a category, that is, you have to watch something. children, well, war is really a terrible thing for them now, parents have something, they are abandoned, yes, like, all of us are abandoned, including teenagers, but, well, being a teenager is not so easy when, say, in such a situation, well and not so much for adults, but it turns out that well, that is, part of the children simply do not know the language, there are not only children, yes, no, they do not have access to hbo netflix. and so on, they simply don't show ukraine, and they watch cartoons there, something else in russian on pirate sites, and here another series appears, which is not bloody and in comprehensible russian, unfortunately, and here someone watched it, someone was indignant because they watched it, because this is ukraine, and these are russian

serials, there is the same type, brother will come back sagan, will put everyone in their place, well that is, we understand that it is all very much for us, for us it is triggered as a... for the russians, everything on svo is their context, well, they live in it, this is their life, it sucks, they like it, we don't , like, well, but some part watched, the second part was outraged that this part watched, a wave started, the third part saw this wave, i think, what is so interesting there, let me take a look, then it already writes to me: oh, here everyone is indignant , they call marisa nikit and i also have to watch it, you see, that is all to you and there are flat characters filmed there, i wouldn’t say, it’s not that interesting , we’ve been told now, let’s talk about ukrainian cinema, we’ll be showing the 90th ukrainian film by lalicid filip

sotnichenko, a beautiful film on january 11 in cinemas, the film forever forever forever, forever, which was shown in venice, by anna borichkova and maryna stepanska. about teenagers, the 90s, too, everyone fights there, love, blood, beautiful, and there are also such songs, well, that is, much more interesting, in my opinion, than the word boy, it’s just that there are still crime is so tough, it's a series, and i'm saying that we're talking about it too, because it's such a scheme, well, it's banal, people don't know the language, inertia, it's understandable, it's quite primitively filmed about... i'm just trying to understand what my attitude is to all of this despite the fact that i did not watch this series and do not plan to watch it, but i condemn it as they say so naturally, but i am just trying to understand what

worries me in all this and when i think about my experience 90 -x, and the 90s are important for me, because i graduated from school, entered the university in the 90s. and accordingly, i , too, and there the 80s are the 80s, and that is, it is even more interesting, but in general, what happened in the 80s, i also remember, that is, relatively speaking, there is some tsoi, but it also begins in the 80s -s, in the late 80s, and then it moves to the beginning of the 90s, and then i just remember that i'm still listening to it, and in lviv, imagine that. but also everyone listens, all of mine, literally all of my environment, ukrainian-speaking, russian-speaking, it doesn’t matter, everyone listens to this, but at some point, once and there, something begins to close, that is, i stop listening to tsoi, i start listening to what i was listening to somewhere in parallel, because

it arises, i start listening there, i don’t know, remia’s songs, they start listening to dead rooster, in lviv, and again, and plus i start more to listen to what i was already listening to in parallel, that is, i don't know any doors there, everything, all this rock and roll, which opened up and suddenly began to be available on all those cassettes and so on, so, similarly, about my experience now i say yes but i 'm trying to understand, well, that is, i cut it for myself, and then i just have this one somewhere remained in the 90s as a very childhood memory, but for many people it remained very important, they lived their entire subsequent lives with that tsoi as a very important experience of theirs. youth or youth, they somehow passed it on to their children, and those children, accordingly, at the same time switched very easily to some russian mushrooms, there are all kinds of them, i don’t know that they are all russian that are there, russian rap, hookah, unsolicited and so on, and

accordingly later, well, what is our fear, that these young people are not fully able to be ukrainians, or are they really ukrainian, or could they not be some other material for russia? but we are all worried about it, it is a war about identity, it is a war about identity, and in fact, i am very worried about the fact that we are partially... giving this war, because there is as much money as russia, the russian empire, the soviet union, then and now modern and not modern russia, invest in their content, in their cinema, there, ah, again, which was there, and before, before this full-scale aggressive invasion, they invested very are large and invest very large amounts of money in the creation of their own and... now russian directors who went abroad are like such protestors, they all continue to shoot, when,

for example, ukrainian directors are sitting in ukraine, they cannot shoot, the state does not take care of it, does not deal, we do not deal with the informational and cultural space. unfortunately, we now have an approach to content, to series, to films, to other entertainment , educational, if such a situation, it is... electoral, like, well, there you need to propagate, introduce some bullshit and shoot cheaply and quickly, well, that’s how it’s done, and it looks like this, a normal teenager won’t, well, it just won’t, and not only a teenager, that is, a very small category wants to watch it, we still watch it there, again, although often many are in russian translations, i mean, it ’s pirated content from netflix, and besides... there’s hbo, yes, that is, but we understand that it’s cool, and it’s not cool, and we don’t, well ,

our series, our series started in our country, we also have films like this, very good, but this type was not strongly supported, that is, this was maintained at the level of a question, the question is still the same, i will interrupt again, excuse me, what do we think when we think, there are many voices about what and why we do not shoot such a series, where our boys from the 90s, but and i'll tell you more that i'm sorry, i... i immediately remembered, well, it's the same type, when i wrote the film, when the trees fall, i have a line of bandits, guys, that's how i took it, they told me about hammer gangs in sumy, in the 90s, i didn’t collect much information there, like, it’s something, that is , you can do more, well, you can do such things, but you understand what's funny, that on television, that is, shooting a tv series is more expensive than shooting it. cinema, you need to make a cool series there for at least 45 minutes, well, it’s fine if it

’s a sitcom for 20 minutes, but you need to develop a script, well, it’s been a year or two, such a script can’t be made like the same word of a boy in six months, so just believe me, he's pretty mediocre, there's a good background there, well, in terms of reality, these gangs are really badass, the guys there are like them all, the cops there also run over them, they're all on... well, he was like that, but it looks speculative, as they are used, this is the desire to be, somewhere appropriate for the lost time, well, plus , everyone loves the ussr there, like, and there is a little bit of this aesthetics of the ussr, they mention it at least 100-500 times, and it turns out that we can't afford such a thing, and more... well, because what to do with private funds, shoot for 3 kopecks, sit there, i'm writing the script there

now, i'm sitting writing, but i can't type, well, that is , and i can't shoot a film there for free for coffee, yes, for example, you need a lot people, and it is clear that a large part of the type of funds, although we have funds that cannot be allocated for the army abroad, it is meant, but for some reason they are not allocated for such projects, they are allocated for plugging holes. well, you yourself know that there are marathons, that's all , yes, that's all, that's all that kind of crap that nobody needs, and what can we do with it, but we're not in that marathon, suffer, suffer, i don't know what, but we have to do something because well, because it's about our youth, and our youth watch yes or in translation russian or the word patsinage, i’ll say it because they can’t watch it, well, there ’s streaming constant netflix, yes , like, well, imagine in some place there, i don’t know, it’s not

a big city, yes, the children are at school, god forbid , it’s kharkiv, there’s a school, there’s no school, yes, like well , in fact, there are no permanent arrivals anywhere, you will not meet, half of your friends have left, the other half is not at all clear who you need, your parents are busy surviving if half are at the front, yes, god forbid any more injuries. the dead, that is, you can imagine all this, what type that is, what to do, well, and what does the type do to these children, well, what, well, they look, well, i don't know, i mean not to children, to children at once, it is clear to children. what about children , they are all the same, they are still children, they are dependent on adults, yes, but you and i are adults, now we talk and talk about this topic, and we are on the same side as you, but how can we reach those who do not want to see us on their side, they are pushing us out, this is firstly, secondly, they are pushing some, as you say, these are election series, series,

yes, like, well, pay attention, there is a constant struggle for... signing , my god, this law, the budget, to allocate how much, to shoot 600 hours of series, next year, but which series, yes, that is, we have you understand, don't sell, let's build, i have an idea, it's just that we don't have much time left, and i want us to have some kind of constructive answer, look, everyone who was at least somehow involved in the filming of such series as someone there the last moscow... matchmakers and so on and the like, simply by their special law on lustration to ban them from doing anything on television for 25 years, just ban it, i’m afraid that it’s a powerful production, yes, i’m here, yes

, here, unfortunately, the situation is quite difficult, because even here i am now developing a new the project where... teenagers are also present, well, in the film, yes, i understand that we, i, we will look for foreign financing for its implementation, when i finally finish the script there, yes, because it is also not very easy, and so we most of the filmmakers who are creating something now, either at their own expense, yes, or for foreign funds, that is, i 've already been working abroad for a year already, and it seems that in ukraine everything has stopped in this kind of way, when we talk about... an idea, when i can afford to write a script for a year, well, how come you understand, the war has started, that now, what is happening now is a reflection, you have to understand, and it cannot be there for for for for two months to write the scripts, it is terrible what some people are doing now speculating, we are seeing the results, yes , yes, but unfortunately, we

would also like to get busy, really get busy with the same ones there teenagers, but you understand, it's on the level. you can be the type of policy that we are specifically opposing now, that is, when , for example, france, european countries realized that hollywood is a much larger market, well, that in france there are 60 million viewers, in america there are 350 million viewers, and these are incomparable markets , then on its own at a certain stage, europe started the same state- owned state funds in order to protect internally. his own, that is, the manufacturer who will tell about the french, to the french and to the whole world, if with luck, it will be a good series about norwegians-norwegians and the whole world and about poles to poles, yes, but we, unfortunately, this again, or again, and maybe even they can do it, yes, and now drag it out , but most likely there will be not very high-quality characters, yes, that is, all of them,

most of the cinematographers in the last there until... how many 10 years was our kind of spring cinema in ukraine with 200 there in the 11th, when the state cinema was made autonomous, brought out from under the ministry of culture, it became an autonomous body that took over the entire scheme of foreign state cinema funds, well, types of public protection of their projects, well , and in general the scheme itself for project submissions. of the film, and until 2002 on the 19th, in fact , and now there are remnants of films that were released then, there are the same ones, there are films that i say lalysida, forever forever, you love me, tony noyabrova, also about the 90s also about, well, in fact, about a teenager , there’s a little bit of teenagers there, well, except for polysids, and

eh, well, that’s all like that, and it looks like such a perfect tense now, that is, but there are all the films... that took place b most yes then directors who got to a-class festivals, these are just potentially people who can create useful content, quality, because they have been to a-class festivals, i was at the berlinale, i was in tallinn, we went to cannes with projects, with our films , ah, and they can do it not only qualitatively, but also potentially useful, because we are type for ukraine, well, that is already much further, well, there is a question, we don't even thank you for it. unfortunately, we don't have time for this conversation, i will, if i may, summarize something that i understood from this, we need if only there were some kind of policy at the level of the ministry of culture, and there was a person who understands these challenges. and there was a person who met the scale of these challenges and could assemble a team that could respond to these challenges. so far we don't have the first or the third, we have in the cinema, these people are there,

there are people, but they can't, they don't have the opportunity to do what they can do, and they can shoot even better than what they shot russians use the word boy, and then these teenagers, ukrainian, they will be ukrainian teenagers, not teenagers who... live in ukraine, but look somewhere over there to russia and i have navavka, i mean that our previous minister of culture was rather the antipode of all this, which i just said, because he is a person , which will take a lot to a new round of conversation, i apologize, but the debilitation in principle of the serial market in ukraine, its maximum approximation to russian models, and now we simply do not have any minister, i will remind you for six months already, during the war, well, thank you very much for this conversation, marysya nikityuk, director, screenwriter. was with us, well, we're going to take a short break, a short break, then we'll come back and talk about the story about the story in the context of today, stay with us, and you've already

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every weekday from 20 to 22 at espresso. kanal spresso and ukrainian pen present their own title project with myroslava barchuk. a series of conversations with ukrainian and western intellectuals who reflect and comment the most relevant public discussions. we will find out exactly what news the guests of the project will analyze this week and who will be the guest of the studio this sunday. undoubtedly, the topics will be relevant, the guests - special. proper names with myroslava barchuk. sunday: 17:10 at espresso. dear friends, now we will talk about a story that is still little known to us, unfortunately, because it has been rewritten and is still relevant. on december 11, 1917 , the bolshevik government of russia, signed by lenin and trotsky, sent to the central rada manifesto about to the ukrainian people and in this

manifesto. demanded an ultimatum to stop disarming the bolshevik regiments and to act together against the white army, they gave it 48 hours, but in a few days they sent a reply, they sent a reply signed by venichenko and simon petliura, and they all rejected the demands of the ultimatum, and this, they said, that this is interference in the affairs of the ukrainian people's republic, and that's how it began. soviet-ukrainian war, the first soviet-ukrainian war. volodymyr yatrovych, historian, publicist, people's deputy of ukraine joins us, we will talk about it speak. i don't know if there is a mention of this date in any media today, but it is still important in the context of the history we are living now, because it is still dragging on, and people, ukrainians, do not perceive the unr

as something how how the ukrainian state, and where many of them say that ukraine appeared thanks to lenin. i think the date is really important, moreover, it can be called one of the starting points of the current war, because there are actually parallels between the current war and that war that was over 100 years ago started a lot, a lot, you called it the soviet-ukrainian war, actually the russian-ukrainian war, because the soviet union as such did not exist, that is, there was ... obviously could not put up with, despite their supposedly international slogans, could not put up with the very idea of ​​an independent ukraine, because it was also clear to the bolsheviks that russia was in such a format as an empire, and the bolsheviks also essentially set themselves the task of preserving this format, it is impossible without ukraine, therefore any attempt by ukrainians to create their own

independent state is a threat. for any russian imperial project, regardless of whether it is white, red, soviet, monarchical , supposedly some kind of liberal, that is, it is a threat to the russian imperial project, therefore, in fact, we can talk about the roots of the current war from precisely those events that happened already more than 100 years ago, because the parties to this conflict and their goals of both sides of this conflict are actually identical, on the one hand , ukrainians who are trying to restore their... a dependent state, on the other hand, russia, which is trying to prevent them from this , precisely because it wants to extend its power to ukrainian territory in order to restore the russian empire, so this war had different stages, one of these stages, which we are talking today, it ended in the 21st year with the defeat of ukraine, but in fact it continued to develop in one form or another with certain pauses, in fact until the present day, and what we have now is a kind of continuation of this

war and. .. there are more than enough parallels, then why don't we mention this, why are there no mentions of all these events in the public space, it seems to me that we have very little history in the public space, it seems to me that we have very little history as an explanation of this war, and perhaps there is some and certain fault of historians who did not tell this story enough, but probably even more they are those people who somehow organize the information policy of ukraine, because... i am sure that there are a lot of explanations about why this started war, why it is the current war, why didn't it look exactly like this, they are in history, and surely, if we knew our history a little better, these are the shocks, the surprise of february 24, 22, well , how could this happen, what happened like this , probably at least it would have been milder, and perhaps the ukrainians would have prepared more for the fact that, unfortunately, a different

development of events in the land. it could not happen with imperial russia, that is, this war was inevitable, and the whole history was shouting about it, but the trouble is that we do not want, did not want to hear this stories, which lessons the understanding of the war with the russians at the beginning of the 20th century actually gives us, very often talk about unity, primarily about the fact that then the then leaders of the ukrainian people's republic failed to preserve this... unity among themselves, and this even led to some of their disputes there of the armed forces and in the end a popular commander there , for example, was executed again by a bolbochan and so on and so on with the word ee or is this a lesson on how to interpret it in today's situation? there is no doubt that this is a lesson, it is a very important lesson and it is obvious that it should be unity in political elites, despite the diversity of political elites, despite...