also, well, let's start with latin america, if we can get to africa, we will, but the most important question that you might have realized when you were in latin america, will there be a war or not, will venezuela fight for part of guyana? i think not, i think not, because, well, this is a subversive regime, besides, brazil has also sent troops to that area, and latin america. latin american countries will not support venezelo, so i guess you know like many dictators, like that an attempt at a small victorious war, we know how it ended in argentina at one time, we know how it ended in greece, by the way, yesterday you talked about cyprus, about a divided cyprus, and it all started with the adventure of the so-called black colonels in greece , that's why i don't think so, this...

will rather lead to the collapse of the regime, especially since venezuela has a presidential election next year, they have a very strong candidate, the only one from the opposition, it's maria karina machado, and she's very popular , the truth, so far, the truth is not registered, she has already been deregistered, yes , but i think that her potential is stronger... than the current interim leader of venezuela from the opposition, guaido, and that is why madura is actually doing all this in order to distract, to divert attention from the fact that what is happening, what is happening in the country. again, i have not been to venezuela, but we know what the situation is there, and ukraine has a lot of oil, people are starting to vote, vote with their feet. to

vote with your feet and the reason is not american sanctions, but the reason is the incompetence of the leadership. by the way, well, since i was also on cuba, yes, i was in cuba unofficially, because they decided that it is better not to organize any meetings there, even on an unofficial level, then there, you know, the cubans themselves say that such a bad situation has never happened, that is, it has always been difficult. but it was never that bad, i saw it with my own eyes, we , i don't know, i was prepared for what i would see in cuba, but unfortunately, i saw, well, the terrible state of poverty, and i was very sorry for the island , the island of freedom, with whom i was the same age, and in 59, and now that you you they lived in a communist country in 1959, and they have been in a communist country since 1959, only you got out, they didn't? you know

, we have it, well, it was brezhnevism, so to speak, and it’s a rough analogy of what is now in cuba, well, it’s a couple of years before the collapse of the soviet union and the beginning of our 90s, but even then we didn’t have anything like that , as in cuba, and the reason, as they say, well, some cubans understand what is being said, and you talk to them, and they understand everything perfectly, and their children, by the way, are children in the united states, the country. number one, where they want to emigrate, and some remain under the influence of communist propaganda, six channels, four cuban, rasha today in spanish and the venezuelan channel telesur, and here they tell, so to speak, the truth that all this is done by bad american sanctions , but if you know, if when you see that a country that lives on tourism, yes, and it cannot give information... about how to get a visa, how

the phones and emails are silent in the cuban embassy, ​​not in ukraine, in mexico, how impossible to get basic information for tourism, well, it's not american sanctions , well, i just drew a parallel between cuba and venezuela, because yes, these are countries that are friends with each other, trying to support each other, well, but, but actually, well, this is not enough to that you... venezuela dare to do something, by the way, i would like to say that in terms of territory, it is interesting that in terms of the territorial integrity of ukraine in un resolutions last year, only nicaragua supported russia, while cuba and venezuela abstained, although b. and please tell me how do you perceive the fact that the president of ukraine appeared in latin america on... significantly, i

will explain why, because on the one hand it can be used as a breakthrough, so certain to the latin american public, on the other hand, with the it is necessary and, let's say, some kind of serious criticism from the side, let's say there were no latin american experts there, but here it is important not to overstate why, because dear, we know, he is a very... right-wing libertarian, very, very right-wing, with a very with controversial views, a populist, and it is not known what will be there in a couple of months, yes, and therefore to make a bet, say, on him

, yes, because there was an idea, well, it seems that it was not expressed at the official level, but the idea was such that let's hold, say, a meeting of ukraine. america will be held in argentina, so we have to be careful with this, and this is not only my opinion, because many regimes in latin america, they are, well, formally left-wing, let's say, we have very good relations with these left-wing regimes with chile, with president borych, and other left-wing regimes, they will not react like that to... and on argentina in a positive way. lula, for example, did not find time to come to the inauguration in argentina, so the predecessor, the predecessor of jair bolsonaro, the far-right presidential candidate. was zelenskyy with him, in fact, at this

inauguration? yes, that's it. and that's why, if, let's say, further measures are taken, right? to try to do joint there to expand the level, that is, to have it there, well, for example, conferences or some intergovernmental meetings ukraine-latin america, then it is better to do it not in argentina, say, but to do in uruguay, for example, yes, uruguay, by the way, the president of uruguay spoke very strongly in defense of our territorial, territorial integrity, uruguay, by the way, said that if the principle of territorial integrity was violated, then our country, it is sandwiched between two giants , between brazil and argentina, we wouldn't have survived, yes, but thank god that this principle of territorial integrity works, that's why our diplomacy needs it, if

it were to think about it, our diplomacy would be activated, an embassy would be opened in chile, i went there a well-known specialist, diplomat, yuriy dzyudzin, ot. who dealt with latin america, who visited chile several times, so we are gradually activating it, but we really need to think about certain balances, so that we do not, so that we do not fall into this left-right dilemma, by the way, miley, he stated that he will have a trip to europe, and he specifically plans to visit, as it was reported, the vatican and ukraine, well... it was not an official message, it was a message through news agencies, but again, okay, okay, here, but we just, again, we just have to not here, if we don't have inflated expectations and act, well, carefully enough

, again, given the heterogeneity of latin america, given the positions of the left in latin america, and given that we're not we know how successful... the activities of the new, new president will be, no one knows, well , the practical question always arises, what can latin american countries actually do now to resolve the situation in the russian-ukrainian war? well, i know yours thesis, so the main thing, and we already debated it in your program, is that the main thing is that aid comes, comes from the west, but... again, well, these are symbolic decisions, this is a vote in the un, this, by the way, argentina voted for the exclusion of russia from the un human rights council, yes, that is, its position here

is quite principled, recently, by the way, there was a victory for our diplomacy, it consisted in the fact that two candidates from eastern europe were elected to the council, to this human rights council, and russia put forward its candidacy, and there were three candidates. so three candidates, thank god, russia did not pass , albania passed, and i forgot who else, but not russia, and by the way, here is the position, well, we know that our embassies, they worked actively to get russia there didn't come , imagine if russia came there for human rights, after they were first excluded, and then they returned there triumphantly, and what would be ... a gift for putin, so i don't know, to be honest, as much as

it all confuses him, well, russia returned to the parliamentary assembly of the council of europe, and then it was carried out from the parliamentary assembly of the council of europe after the attack on ukraine, so what, what is putin's business with this, and wait, there is a propaganda war, there is a war of narratives , there is a propaganda war, we should not allow putin to be able to represent this, that this a war from... the west against the whole rest of the world, so once again, in this world there are not only dictatorships, in this world there are also democracies that waver, the same mexico, yes, by the way, i went to the book forum in aquarius, this is the second since it is the largest spanish-language book fair, and the second in the world after frankfurt, yes, yes there, thanks to it. ukraine had its own representative office , events were held, kurkov was very popular

, there were other books, a special event was held in memory of amelina, and this is work, you see, because it is work that is needed, because the current president of mexico , so lopez obrador, shortened to amlo, these are the initials. his first and last name is amlo, he constantly speaks with anti-american rhetoric, well , the americans are bad, who is to blame for all the problems in mexico, well, it is clear that the americans, yes, where does 80% of mexican exports go , to the united states, yes, that is why it is very interesting here that the rhetoric is anti-american, and when it comes to, for example, the vote... for certain resolutions, yes, they are for territorial integrity, let's say the last one

there was this meeting of the national advisers of the presidents on national issues, then mexico did not go there, well, there was an interesting situation here, because this lópez obrador, he likes to give such live press conferences to journalists, and there the russians asked him a question about, well, yes is mexico participating or not... the mexican was going to participate. and they put a direct question to the president: will mexico participate in this meeting or not? well, that's something, i then said, well, without russia, without russia, there will be no participation, and as a result, mexico did not take part in it, but the foreign ministry then explained, well, it's only for this meeting, in the future we will participate. that's why it's all complicated. par, here i am, this trip started in par, with par, and i was already the third in par. differently, i was with different delegations, it was a delegation of the ukrainian civil society society and we managed to do what

was not possible in the previous ones, because we met with the anc, with the african national congress, and the african national congress told about it, i will say about this that the african national congress, it used to take a very pro-russian position, and now this is actually the first meeting. with ukrainian activists, and with the first deputy secretary general, i.e. ramoposa, i consider this a breakthrough, but the assistant to the president of the pair for national security, he generally made a public statement that nothing can justify territorial annexations, here you are, a country that will be admitted to the un, but the assistant to the president for national security says that... that both territorial and

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we continue the saturday political club and our guest for this part of our program is petro poroshenko, the fifth president of ukraine, the leader of the european solidarity party. deputy of the verkhovna rada of ukraine. congratulations, mr. peter. congratulations, mr. vitaly. thank you for inviting me. so let's talk about the big news this week, the european union decision about the ukrainian candidacy and about the negotiations that are about to begin. that's it, but how simple the path to the european union will be, even considering the fact that we managed to win these negotiations in such a difficult, i would say, situation with a possible hungarian vote. well

, first of all, this is a historic day for december 14, i want to say that no more than 10-20% probability of such a scenario that we will be given the green light was given by the most ardent optimists, and i really think that it is necessary, this topic needs more analysis, how it turned out that happened and what to do now, but if you compared it to a passenger on an airplane. then i would compare it as follows: when we were given candidate status, we got a ticket, what happened 14. we got a boarding pass, which gives us the right to fly, well, we have to go through immigration, we have to go through security, we have to go through

more many, many things, and today our task is to resolutely create a united coalition that will be able to adapt our legislation to the legislation of the european union, what will happen? in march next year directives will be issued to the team of negotiators from the european union, which will tell what, when and how ukraine should do. we have to form our own, very experienced, with a wide range of political representation, negotiating team, which will carry the commitment that we will not lose, not that not a week, not a single day. and this is not a utopian idea that there can be such a broad, such a team created, well, we talk about it a lot all the time about some teams, coalitions, about the government of national unity, all this is a theory

for political analysts, we have no other chance, if such a team is not created, a window of opportunity for ukraine, we will not take advantage of it, next year there will be elections, the situation can change, everywhere 70 elections in the world. including european parliament elections, european commission elections, elections in many member states, and the mood may be different, that is why it was so important that we pass the status, that we pass the beginning of the negotiations and even in march before the start of the election campaign, we received directives and began negotiations process, and in this case i want to emphasize that we went through several. of such stages, it was also an association agreement, i am proud that it was in june 2014 that my signature was under it, it was also a deepened free trade zone, it was a visa-free regime with

148 theses, what should be done now every government official, every politician, every activist should know what the copenhagen criteria are, what they mean in terms of democracy and freedom, what they mean in terms of politics, what they mean in terms of... the economy, and we we must understand that it will not be possible to bypass this, the absence of democracy, even that democracy is no longer irreversible, because this is a condition that must be presented, guarantees of freedom of speech, guarantees, freedom of assembly, parliamentarism and pluralism of opinions in parliamentarism, all this you cannot do without a broad coalition, and the most important thing is that it is for us... our membership in the eu and nato is the only possible way to save the state, not just to return to the european family of nations, but

to face the truth and finally communicate with society in the language of an adult a person and what about the money, you were going to go to the united states just then, when you didn't get there as a result and also meet with the speaker of the house of representatives, mike johnson, what did you hope for? if we see that the republicans are not in a big hurry with all these financial infusions, and the european union is now also in a situation where it will have to convince viktor orbán again, no, interfere with the allocation of aid, we simply have no other way, another orbán or another hungary or there is no other johnson in ukraine, and we need to learn to work with them. and i think that i will say about orbán separately , if you are interested, but about johnson , the purpose of my trip was to where this

huge delegation of parliamentary servants of the people, who at the public expense and with the funds of taxpayers, where by which charters traveled on, including in pubs, where they communicated with the voters of individual democratic senators and congressmen. well, i want to emphasize that the main purpose of my trip was to participate in the iduu forum, that is the international democratic union union. do not be confused by the word democratic, because the republican party is represented there from the united states, and there were 42 republican congressmen at this forum, plus the whole world of conservative parties, including our party, as members of it. and i was elected as a member of the iduu council. and meetings were planned with congressmen, republicans, they do not need

to be convinced. that ukraine should be helped, ukraine has, and i continue to emphasize this, by partizan support, bipartisan support, we had to persuade not to involve ukraine in internal political discussions, because when they say, and this is very important, that we need to simultaneously solve the issue of the southern border with ukraine, not that she told president zelensky that it is not related to you, yes. then we had to convey that the southern border for deputies, congressmen, republicans and democrats is located and passes along the line of contact in ukraine, this is the southern border, and the second position is that there is no need to have illusions, because the war of russia against ukraine is already there world war, the third

world war. so far without the use of nuclear weapons, i very much hope that it will not be used either, but if you take the factor of the hot phase of the war, it is the most since the second world war, the military conflict with the use of such forces, but at the same time it is the factor of food and hunger, it is also the factor of energy and energy crisis in the world, at the same time it is hackers. which are destroying the world system, at the same time it is completely unceremonious interference by russia and other countries in democracy everywhere, including in the democracy of the united states and the countries of the european union, and when they give credit that it's better to spend a dollar now than later to have to spend 10 with much less efficiency

plus an american life'. soldiers, i am firmly convinced that the set of arguments allowed me to hope, with restrained optimism, that we had the opportunity to solve this issue this year, and i do not doubt for a moment that i am very cautious in making predictions, but in january february 2024, question 61 mild will be resolved, and all of january, february, maybe march, the issue of macro-financial assistance from the european the union for 50 billion euros for 50 billion dollars, it is interesting, because there is no other way than to talk, including with neighbors who are not very comfortable, and i am very happy that it is six months before

my admission. no one spoke to orban. the next hour after my refusal , the queue was waiting. yermak is calling siyart, why are you calling him, if he is putin's friend and you just didn't call him names there. kuleba, siarto, stefanyshyn are calling, asking to connect with orban, negotiating with the hungarians. but the key position was that instead of ukraine it worked and... to thank for it scholz, ursula, charles michel, macron, all the leaders of the european union, including melanie, including the prime minister of estonia, look, it's crazy when the whole world is fighting for ukraine, and ukraine can't find the strength for six months speaking, it's a member of the eu, a member of nato, and

apart from this vote in... we'll still have a huge number of votes where we're going to need it, but i'm delighted just how brilliantly the eu leadership has handled this, i think in in the future it will be called coffee break or coffee summit when orbán went for coffee, and we have orban to thank for that, and literally for another 30 seconds, the european union fought not only and not so much for ukraine. the european union fought to ensure that the eu did not turn into the un, a completely clumsy organization that is not capable of making decisions, and brilliant diplomacy, which i knew, because i am not now, i will be very secretive, but my visit to hungary was coordinated in detail not only with the ukrainian authorities, but also with the leadership of the european union and...