[000:00:00;00] it is impossible to call them journalists, in fact, whether they will be considered collaborators, because these are people who deliberately took propagandistic steps, to cover the beauties of the russian occupation in crimea, to which they received the answer that each individual case will be considered here as well, you know, in such an almost private manner, did the person who engaged in such activities realize what this could lead to? activity, that is, we see that different spheres of life, different professions and different types of activity still have the same approach, everything will be considered individually, about this and not only, i also plan to talk with larisa voloshyna, a journalist and psychologist, who will join the conversation in a matter of seconds, larisa, congratulations, glory to ukraine, congratulations,

khrystyna, glory to the heroes. well, if you heard my introduction, i will quote the prosecutor's office of the autonomous republic of crimea and the city of sevastopol, collaborative activity, if you are a businessman in crimea, is actually not an established fact, although according to ukrainian legislation, that is exactly what it is. they will consider whether you really took part in servicing the occupation regime or not do you have anything to do with its formation or support? you financially occupy the occupation and this is the administration, approximately the same approach is applied to crimean journalists, you and i had the opportunity to talk about educators in crimea, and i know your position, if it has not changed, then it actually consists of the following: people who, for various reasons, knowingly or unknowingly became instruments in the killing

of minors. in particular, the children of russian propaganda and russian positions should be held accountable as collaborators by law. mrs. larisa, what to do with these millions of people? we are now crossing out the 800,000 russians who could have invaded, these are only official statistics. and we are talking exclusively about ukrainian citizens who lived under occupation for 10 years. well, here i agree with you, we really already have a law on collaboration, we have a number of legislation. of ukrainian, which explains the situation, but not the same, for example, the reintegration strategy, there, too, it is told about who will bear responsibility and what, but nevertheless there are many questions that still need awareness, here you need to understand that everything depends on the position, that is, on the damage caused to the state of ukraine, if, for example, we are talking about the same educators, then the teachers

who taught are individual... questions and will be considered, if you mathematics taught, then what questions can you have, but if we are talking about the management of schools, or there are some goronos, or the so-called ministry of education of the occupation, then there definitely goes responsibility automatically, the same with business, because if you were an entrepreneur and traded some grapes on the market is one moment, but when you were in the bases of your business, for example, carrying out the so-called reconstruction of the bakhchosarai palace, that is, causing damage to a cultural monument, or rebuilding some occupying military bases or serving the occupying military, well, that is, supplying them with food, something else , then this is a completely different issue, that is , when we are talking about business, then of course big business will be responsible for cooperation, as for entrepreneurs, it will be

considered individually. again , the ministry, or rather the representative office of the president of the autonomous republic of crimea, in particular tamil tasheva, in my interview with me, she and i considered this issue, we discussed it, and she says that such a strong clarification is still needed, and in principle, it is important for us now to focus not on so, how , how, who will be punished, because, to be honest, residents of occupied crimea can go to... the website of the crimean tatar resource center, they have a special calculator, like this, well, almost a calculator, where you can enter your data, who are you, what are you how long have you lived, where did you work and see if you have responsibility or not and what kind, because, for example, responsibility will also be different, one thing is criminal cases, another is a ban on the profession, but you can, for example, not work in state

institutions, but in private ones, you have to... you, for example, can be forgiven if you personally did not commit crimes, but you are a witness who confirms the crimes of your superiors, and this will be important. we will need, as we understand, court verdicts, unfortunately, and we have to state this in principle, based on the experience of other countries that survived the occupation, survived one or another form of war, such as the countries of the former yugoslavia, society is faced with the question, everyone knows that this person did not just work, that he directly helped in repression, the establishment of the occupying regime , but there is no evidence, and therefore there is no verdict, and... that is why we also have to understand that those who will cooperate, they will definitely receive some leniency, we cannot imprison millions of people, we have to realize this, moreover, ukraine is not means it, and in fact

our task is to help those residents of crimea who remained under occupation, were under occupation, to fully and harmoniously integrate into the ukrainian state, to join. to the construction of the ukrainian state project, because you and i, khrystyna, know that all these years of independence before the occupation, unfortunately, the local authorities, local educators, the same local journalists, did everything possible so that the residents of crimea did not feel that they were ukrainians , so that they feel either some crimeans, some unknown ethnonym, or russians in general, and therefore our the task is reintegration, not punishment, but nevertheless, punishment will be there, because... those who incited anti-ukrainian sentiments, those who incited ukrainians, we say, for example, propagandists, but if a person calls for service in to the occupying army, firstly, it calls for the commission of a war

crime, and secondly, it causes harm, because its propaganda costs the lives of people when they go to serve, that is, all this must be considered individually, and in addition, i would like to remind what exactly is crimean... the media received the opportunity to speak on frequencies in the kherson and zaporizhzhia regions, of course, in the occupied parts of these ukrainian regions, and specifically crimean journalists, many of whom were ukrainian journalists before, will be seen by the inhabitants of these newly occupied territories, and thus become another instrument of occupation and expansion of this occupations, they are not just you'. doing their work in crimea, living in crimea, doing what they studied for, as they say, and trying to feed themselves, they are really, you know, promoters, promoters of the russian occupation in minds of the ukrainian people in the newly

occupied territory, we cannot ignore it, we still have a few minutes, ms. larisa, and i cannot but ask you the direct line of putin and quite a lot of questions from the residents of crimea about how the consequences will be overcome the same... crazy storm that is happening with prices, why is it so expensive in crimea, and what with the gym in the sunny valley of a small village, actually, of course, the local occupation administration immediately rushed to correct the situation, pushed everything on ukraine, they say, as was defeated for ukraine this gym remains in a dilapidated state, having forgotten about 10 years of occupation, which has shown us about crimea. in particular, this straight line, well, we saw that putin in general and putin and the questions put to putin deny the fact that crimea today is a war zone, it is a springboard that is

clearly used in russia for aggression against ukraine, and accordingly ukraine responds, and therefore you pay attention, it is about some kind of storm, the gym and the prices of eggs, but there is no question that how to live for the residents. crimea, given that russia has stationed there its military bases, it has located military facilities and there is constant, constant shooting at these facilities, which, of course , threatens the lives of civilians, that is , there are no such questions that crimea is a combat zone, therefore, in my opinion, the question of crimea, those issues, the way they were considered in this putin's so-called meeting with the people, they were supposed to show the residents of crimea that there is no war, you have nothing to fear. but in reality everyone is perfectly aware and the russians are aware that the threat to crimea is very high and that in the event of, for example, an offensive ukrainian troops, a full-scale offensive , as described by general zaluzhny, when ukraine

will receive all the necessary means and will have aviation and everything else for conducting offensive actions, then in principle crimea is the most vulnerable point today, because it will not be held... will be able to, due to the fact that, in principle, the only artery they have is the kerch bridge, it is cut, it is cut with the help of modern means, that is, missiles, a large one. alities, and the threat to the so-called overland corridor is already created by scaffolding on the left bank and the expansion of these bridgeheads , which is quite beneficial, due to the fact that there will be new weapons, there will be new equipment, but the aviation is the same, then in principle it will be cut off, and crimea will be blockaded, and look what putin is doing, look , what are those asking him doing, they pretend it's not there, they just don't look up, don't look up, thank you. mrs. larisa, for inclusion. larisa voloshina, a journalist and psychologist,

a person who knows everything about crimea and even a little more, and to finish today's program together beraber, i would like, probably , you know, a nook from the main intelligence agency, which once again announces that soon on the shores of the crimea, on all the shores of the crimea, it will be possible to notice someone very familiar, well, approximately. 10 years ago , there were many such ukrainians in crimea, we hope for it, we support the defense forces, support and donate, and of course, we talk about crimea, we do not forget, we do not remove it from the agenda , my name is khrystyna yatskiv, together with beraber.

greetings to all, this is the football format today even though it is winter in the yard on december 17, there is a lot of football, there was a week, there will still be football and our legionnaires do not stop, they continue to play, and we will go through the chronology of such a match, the match of the year for shakhtar, who played in portugal against portuguese port, all that was needed was a victory, unfortunately, it did not happen, and we will talk about it today, i am oleksandr vashchuk and andrii malinovskyi , hello to andrii. andriy malinovsky will be a little later. so, let's move on to the fact that shakhtar went to portugal with good emotions, and we will talk about it now. hello andrew, how are you? andrii, hello, let's move on to the match between shakhtar and porto shakhtar, what were your emotions and expectations before the game? yes, everyone, greetings to everyone, greetings to everyone. yes , in fact, to everyone who loves sports, to everyone who closely

follows football, according to shakhtar, well, you and i saw a bright match, in hockey style the result of this match, again we wanted victory, emotions from goals, i think, that we got positive, but still we would like to win, despite the fact that we created enough, scored three goals and well under other conditions, they could well count on an overall victory and a place in the playoffs of the league. champions, but i think that to a large extent everything is fair enough and the fact that shakhtar will continue to play in eurocups is also a bonus for ukrainian fans. let's then go directly to the statistics , to the goal scorers, who let's show the box score, how the match developed, what shakhtar, well, let's say so, even with xg, we will see all the statistics in favor of the sport, although there was a moment in the game where it was possible to there it was believed that let's get stuck in, well, the key... the mistake was after all from georgy sudakov, what we predicted before the game, that

the performance of the donetsk miner depends to a large extent on him, both the game and the result, because he is now the leader, but it is he who score 1:2 he gave a cross pass, a counterattack, a third missed ball, and there it became clear that shakhtar would not win this match. according to the numbers, yes, in fact, everything is in favor of porto, that is , porto has confirmed its status as a favorite, but i, again, if you look at xg, then it is not so directly and heavily dominated porto shakhtar, shakhtar until... created enough, i mean, at the gates of the port, and to score three goals against a team that will focus on defense is also small there, but the achievement, what missed shakhtar 5 - it's still too much, despite the fact that even if you look at the xg index, even there , port did not work for three goals, let's say this, despite the fact that they missed five, there are still five yat pulled out different ones, although again we note that there are enough mistakes in defense, as for such an experienced team as a whole, htar still happened in this match, let

's move on to the lineup, because there is such an impression in the lineup, marino pushych decided to rely on experience, because yaroslav rakitsky, who we haven't seen in the championship games for a long time, came out, here rakitsky is in the center matvienko is on the left, maybe he lost a bit with this decision? here it is, after all, the understanding of what kistyak is, around which the foundation of marina pushych and porakitskyi is built. in that these are the consequences of the fact that there is no main left defender, he has been experimenting all season shakhtar, but probably the strongest candidate is matvienko, and here too, as he sacrificed the central defender, placing him on the left. the wing, well, to a large extent, he probably did the right thing by putting matvienko in particular, because once again we see that azar is not trusted, again the miroshes - it was only the initiative of van lovan, the previous mentor, he decided on rakitsky, based on his experience bet, but they certainly didn't guess in terms of speed, because rakitsky is so positionally, probably one of the strongest

football players in the ukrainian championship at the moment, in particular in shakhtar, but in terms of speed , he was definitely inferior to all, almost all football players of the attack of the port, namely... speed and well, it was not enough somewhere in order for there, well, at least not so much to miss. also , due to yohim konopli's injury , gochleishvili came out on the right and, well, i missed yohim, because he was sharpening a lot of aport from that flank. there is also a coincidence of circumstances, that is, not only individual mistakes of gochelieshvili, although even with the artificial offside, it was he who did not finish his work somewhere. and maybe he is not so active on the attack, he such a good football player, but there is still something for him to achieve and where to develop , so definitely, well, there are moments in which we still note the lack of self-motivation, somewhere he probably also burned out, a football player who has very good data, very good prospects,

but in this match, individual errors , including those of gochelishvili, led to the fact that the miner conceded as many as five goals, and while conceding so many... to count on a general victory, i think it is simply impossible, and what do you think of this situation? when shakhtar is in gear, sikan scores, well, port played as a team of some school , i don’t know, because they always teach, we play until the whistle, they saw the raised flag of the side referee and stopped, and especially here pepe, who is older than many even the head coaches, the fact that all football players now, well, the record holder for goals scored in the champions league at just the right age, and he updated it. his record in this match, and it was he who stopped, well, judging by everything that he stopped and everyone, looking at him, the players of the port also stopped and just the miner actually scored into the empty the goal, as if not even for training, but simply when, uh, they don't even practice , the football players are just pampering themselves, and here it so happened that, in fact, it is such a child's mistake that led to a missed ball,

but it rarely happens like this , that the assistant raises the flag, and the chief does not react to it, that is, does not whistle, this is one of those unique... cases when this happened, because to a large extent now the assistant was completely wrong and those claims that were porto football players, justified claims, because if he is not sure, then didn't have the right to raise the flag, he did it, but the main one, let's give credit to the romanian referee, that he didn't stop the game, let the game continue and was absolutely right that he didn't whistle, that is, the clean ball of the donetsk miner was scored, well, that would be great it's strange, if you knew, the assistant lifts him up, the referee orients him, understands that he is 100% sure, also whistles, and then the questions about... the miner would be to the referees, that's right , they would be, and besides, no one would help the miner , because if the main one reacts laterally, then there is collective irresponsibility, because who will remember the sideman, and the head man will say, well, the sideman raised my proparections daphasis, look at the same,

bondarenko recovered, started to come out at the base, kryskiv, kryskiv was used on the left, as a left winger or as a midfielder, but we again we see this problem of dmitry, that he is constantly walking. he doesn't drink water well, maybe it wasn't the best decision to release dmitry? well, you see, now that the wise have left the team, there is pretty much no alternative, so all the experiments eventually led to the fact that kryskiv is probably the most relevant candidate for the position, that is why the focus is on kryskiv at the moment, although i am convinced that he should find a solution now in the winter, donetsk shakhtar, well, again, there are many latin american legionnaires, young ones, who are now even scoring a little bit , now in his debut match he scored a goal for shakhtar, so i think that i think that the decision will be made final and it is unlikely that kryskov will remain on the left, because he is a footballer in the center of the field, but if you choose these brazilians and even others there nationalities of young people players, maryno pushych is such a conservative coach, but they are in

the championship, they play with heather there, he still releases the basis, and these players are few, we haven't even seen them in the last two months. for pužič, the result is very important now, so far we don't know anything about pužič's football, because he is just starting his work as a head coach in principle, because we don't take the lower dutch divisions there now, where he happened to work as a head coach, so now it's it is his football, his work that we will evaluate at the end of the season, for now, these are the consequences of how the club works, that shakhtar has now left the third place, has now entered the europa league, by the way, this is a record, a record that no one will beat, because the league. champions will be played in a different format, since 25 years of the champions league, 11 times shakhtar has left third place in the europa league, moving from tournament to tournament, and no one will beat this record, ajax and olympia are there. there are nine exits each, so according to pushich, here, of course, for him now the emphasis is on the result, the miner needs to win the championship, because this team is a clear

favorite, and of course now to wait for the opponent, and it is important to pass at least this stage of the competition in the europa league. then let's see this tournament table, where shakhtaryu claimed until the last round, scored nine points, which is also very good for the odds tables and for the miner himself, nine points in the champions league is not often a miner. beat, and you know, i remember the year 2008 in the champions league in shakhtar in the barcelona group, there was the portuguese sporting and basel, also nine points, third place, you do you remember how it all ended, well, that is, you are not hinting anymore, you are directly convinced that shakhtar is playing in the europa league, that is, you do not even doubt it, i understand, there are no doubts, but you remember, just like that was, then the last uefa cup is also the last champions league in this format, because there will be overtime, well, in a different way. will win next season, who do you know, are there any such analogies? well, something like that, with analogies, something

can actually be mentioned there now, and i would definitely like shakhtar to win the trophy now, taking into account that , after all, the composition of shakhtar donetsk is not as powerful as it was under mirchyluchevskii during that season, and during the last cup of the uefa season, so we hope that shakhtar will be able to pass at least one round now. we already know potential rivals. shakhtar and, in principle , each of them is a miner in order to reach the 1/8 finals. well, there are such, you know, incomprehensibility regarding the composition of the miner, because there in the same year 2009, the composition there was really very good, and many players then went to top championships to play in good clubs, in top clubs, then in the same way we remember there five years ago, when marlos tyson, they could come up with a goal on the same spot there, some aggravation, but in this miner, well, only this such hard work... it is noticeable and it is difficult to distinguish something like that, now we

saw on the screen that shakhtar is moving to one of the 16 leagues of europe and such potential opponents are freiburg, german, marseille, france, sparta, czech republic, sporting, portugal, toulouse, french rennes, also italian roma and karabakh, azerbaijan, here are all the potential opponents, tomorrow there will be a draw and we will find out who will be for sure, write the audience, in your opinion, who ... more optimal, who is possible less, it is clear that the majority think that for sure karabakh, so that karabakh is similar to us, the season will not be in rozpala, well , they will not play in the championship at all then, so it is possible that according to the conditions, according to yemeni and karabakh , in fact, such an opponent is more desirable, and it is also interesting that shakhtar is in official matches with karabakh did not cross in the eurocups, v friendlies have already been played with karabakh several times, but here it would be interesting to see exactly the opponent... with whom shakhtar has not yet played, it's just karabakh or freiburg, i 'm waiting for one of them, because shakhtar has already met with others in one or another tournament . so

let's move on to shakhtar's handwriting, danylo sekan really needs to be praised, because he scored four goals in the group stage, he even scored almost five, because this own goal is his merit, and well, something else sudakov is there, he spends half the match well, and then he makes some bad decisions best of all, because of what shakhtar can... play at the same level there in the champions league and in the same european league. well, you see, here, first of all , there is a club philosophy, that the club has been working for many years, stable, powerful work, and this is what led to the fact that shakhtar, even when changing the coach, one no-name came to another no-name , and at the same time, shakhtar still leaves the group, even if it is in the europa league, but we still talk about the fact that there is a structural system work of donetsk shakhtar, which brings benefits, brings its results, well in terms of staffing , this is definitely a top team for the current ukrainian championship, there are still

questions for the european cups, and if it were not for a coincidence of circumstances or a victory over antwerp, despite the fact that in the first match it is absolutely there, it a strong-willed victory, but it became completely illogical, because again, it was not just two different halves, but polar halves, which led to the victory of the miner, faith in the miner, and further on the momentum, shakhtar actually went to the next round of the competition, having won this one.. ... victory over antwerp, she became key, but in terms of the composition, well, it is very difficult to say anything here now, because we do not understand what vector the club will choose now, taking into account the fact that a new coach has arrived there, with new assistants, so we hope that shakhtar will continue to be to strengthen, because if we count on some further progress in the eurocups, then it is necessary to add a couple of experienced football players to the team now, and to strengthen those positions that are currently achilles' heel. donetsk miner. well, also, you just need to say some respect, the right steps, that's what

shakhtar is playing in portugal, the season is already ending, but they agreed. fly to japan in advance and play a charity match there, well, a charity match is already good, and it's just as good that they go to a big intrigue in tokyo, there will be a game tomorrow at 12:00, and let's put it this way, that's why our other clubs are there they don't do that, the same dynamo, which has a huge base, i also have a question, why is the ukrainian national team playing some kind of closed match with lehia gdansk there, if they could have played a match with some national team, well, let's say, almost top, this is again an indicator, this is... the growth of how powerfully the club works both in the popularization of ukrainian football and in a commercial nature, that's why we say, we note again how powerful, the strongest is definitely, in this respect, in terms of development , in the development plan of ukrainian football, there is shakhtar donetsk, and again, we know that shakhtar was there in almost all continents, in all countries, and in the united states, he also played and trained, and held charity matches, now it japan,

tokyo, yes, before that ukrainian clubs and so on. were not in these asian countries , there will also be arab countries, about which the general director of the donetsk miner serhiy palkin has already stated, including the prospects of the miner and the development of ukrainian football, so we are waiting for these, the miner and our other clubs, fans there write in the comments that it just so happened that taras stepanenko is the captain of the team, they say he is even now squirming like a japanese. already learned that he is perceived there almost for its own, well, before in general , well, japan was never a football country, after they began to popularize japanese football, and european clubs began to buy japanese football players, then finally the world cup took place, including in japan, there in two countries it is

korea, in japan, well, even now japan is perceived as absolutely competitive. a football country, because japan has never been identified with football before, at the moment everything looks absolutely logical if already talked about taras stepanenko , this is his story, that at the moment there are no negotiations at all about the extension of his contract, the contract will expire in six months, well , at the moment it is not even clear who can replace taras, because there nazarina is released there for some penny minutes , well, potentially nazarina, maybe there bondarenko can play like that... taras stepanenko is still in this position, but the fact that the contract with taras is not renewed, and he speaks about it publicly, it even looks strange somewhere, so that now the focus is on sudakov, but as for sudakov , well, again, i think that he is still raw for the top championship, the fact that now his peer-managers are working there and now they are telling that, again, his value is up to a billion there the transfer company is now valued by a miner,

it’s just those insiders who are currently working, let’s say... yes, in the ukrainian media market, it’s their opinion and it’s their opportunity and opportunity to raise the price for sudakov, so i think it’s still necessary focus on the leaders, but taras stepanenko for today, perhaps the strongest ukrainian football players in our championship, then let's go to the champions league , the europa league, shakhtar still continues its struggle for the coefficients of ukraine, and zorya luhansk, let's say, slammed the door loudly, they played against the icelandic team 4:0, well, a good result, that's all, but again... i look at the stands, 250 tickets were sold for the match in lublin, again, our clubs are not able to work now , unlike the donetsk miner, who gathers full houses, other clubs for some reason can't to integrate under current realities, well now everything is developing so intensively, so mobile, that is why it is understandable, and despite the fact that there was practice in previous seasons,

it is not the first time that we are playing outside of ukraine, that is why zarya is so passive about this ? one wonders why zarya is not developing, why zarya is not developing ukrainian football, it still remains a question, and well, to a large extent, zarya has a strange fate this season, at first lovat was still appointed there, then kryvyntsov was replaced there by koval for the time being, because now happens in the dawn, it is very difficult to understand there, it is not such a public team, not such an open team as shakhtar donetsk, so we can only guess there, insiders do not want to listen to it, because insiders, as a rule, on the contrary, mislead us all there. .. perhaps we should draw some conclusions ourselves, let's say, after this conclusion of the group tournament, which to a large extent, well , it will be remembered that the first and the last, well , the last one will be remembered now 4:0 over blaydablik after all, zarya finished the group tournament of the conference league very decently, well, let's see this tournament table, where even before the group stage, the majority of fans still gave