tv [untitled] December 17, 2023 11:30pm-12:01am EET
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which we very much hoped for, and accordingly, we also understand from the other side that the united states, well, maybe does not want to raise the degree of escalation, maybe certain consultations took place in third countries, maybe with the help of viktor orban, maybe with the help of chinese comrades, so well where it was said, for example, that the quick allocation of f-16 to ukraine could fundamentally change the situation. in my opinion, the biden administration is not at all... what the chinese or viktor orbán say. orbán is generally disliked in washington because what he does is obviously pro-russian. who knows what kind of corrupt connections are behind this, but he clearly does not enjoy the trust of washington. in a way, even worse for my country, what is happening is just a sophisticated political case of blackmail by the extreme wing.
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of president trump's republican party, who has, quite frankly, destroyed the political party i once loved. this is not about strategy, but about a terrible example of the internal political dysfunctionality of the united states, but i am sure that ukraine will get f-16 and missiles longer range. and it is a pity that the biden administration is delaying for so long the request of ukraine to provide these weapons. if they had secured it at the beginning, the situation on the battlefield would have been completely different, and, of course, in favor of ukraine. well, literally this thursday , putin spent several hours in a row telling his fellow russian citizens how cool he is, how he manages to implement all this, in particular, russian aggression against ukraine, and he did not give any adequate signals that he is ready, so to speak , enter different levels. at least in
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the public part did not talk about it, your vision in general of a possible big diplomatic connection. for now i don't think so, xinjin pin is trying to strengthen his partnership with president putin to weaken the united states on the world stage. and what is happening between xi jinping and putin is similar to what is happening in the united states congress with the republicans. precisely because biden wants this support for ukraine. the extreme republicans oppose it, as does xi jinping, who would gladly welcome an end to the war, wants to undermine leadership of the united states and biden's leadership in the world. that is why he is going to stay with putin. having said that, i believe sindjinpin, like erdogan here in turkey, would like the war to end, but for now he is very happy to work with putin, not under. push him to negotiate,
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instead he is willing to push ukraine to negotiate to give up its sovereign territory while weakening the united states. unfortunately, it is. anthony blinken speaks of unwavering determination, president biden speaks of resolute inflexibility. but who will pay the required amount of money into our budget. yes, we understand that it is not only about supporting ours. and in general it is about the macroeconomic stability of our country, and i see several problems, and accordingly, if a big debate begins in the united states, which could end, for example, in a decrease in funding for ukraine, then in your opinion, how actively will paris be ready to work and berlin to support us, ie at what level 100%, 120% or 60%. a debate is currently underway in the council of europe.
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as for the money for ukraine that viktor orban is blocking, it is about 51 billion euros or so. i think he will give in eventually. orbán always behaves unstrategically in relation to the transatlantic community and selfishly, i.e. only for himself, only for hungary. so he will either agree , along with other eu members, to provide financial assistance to ukraine, or he will have no choice if... individual member states decide to do so, but it is quite clear that many eu member states are going to provide aid to ukraine, regardless of what viktor orban says. as you have already mentioned, among them are germany, france, great britain, although it is not a member of the eu, but will provide assistance, as well as the countries of northern europe. president zelensky recently visited oslo. and the leaders of the northern european countries declared that they would provide ukraine with the necessary assistance. i believe.
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that the united states will also provide it, it is simply politically impossible for the united states to stop its support for ukraine, they are delaying it because of this pointless internal political debate. about which i already mentioned, i don't want to play in a big conspiracy theory, but if there are forces in the west who want to hear, so to speak, putin's idea, to stop financing ukraine, and then, they say , the war will end, it makes me feel creepy, yes, i'm afraid that certain there are environments, and it is on them that putin broadcasts his false signals and his propaganda, if we talk about the stability of the west in the ukrainian issue in general. on the issue of russian aggression, as i said, there are extreme republicans in the united states who support trump, who support everything directed against biden, and they will never change. in addition, throughout the transatlantic family, both in the usa and in europe,
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there are unknown political figures who receive bribes from russian services in exchange for defending pro-russian positions, and we hear about such people more and more often. i'm not saying that any american politicians are taking money from putin, but it's definitely happening in europe, and maybe it's happening in the united states as well. i am trying to say that in the end it is not only the morality, correctness and strength of ukraine's struggle that lies in it survival will ultimately bring us all together in the transatlantic community to give ukraine the help it needs, but the strategic imperative will also drive us. in this direction. there are those who argue that by destroying so much of russia 's military capability, ukraine is obviously not only doing a difficult, horrific and deadly job of increasing security for us all, but also making it less likely that
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russia will go after ukraine and attack the territory nato. smart people realize this and we just need a little time to deal with this ridiculous campaign politics in the usa. what is being said in washington about general zaluzhnyi and what, for example, president zelenskyi and president biden could discuss among themselves. in my opinion, the scandal surrounding general zaluzhny's use of the term stalemate , not only in washington, but also in ukraine, fuels the debate about whether president zelenskyy is not voicing an unrealistically positive assessment of the situation on the battlefield. really good sources. information about ukrainians for the us and its allies are social networks, and it is clear that now there is no counteroffensive advances on land, although it is in the black sea. ukraine's creativity, its sea and air drones really caused a lot of damage to the russian black sea fleet, forcing
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it to relocate away from ukrainian territory to novorossiysk. this story is not loud enough, say the media. but the russians managed to dig in on land. in their defensive positions, making them much harder to dislodge. after all , we in the west are not helping ukraine properly, because we have not yet conveyed to ukraine what it has been asking for so long, namely f-16 fighter jets and longer-range missile systems, which are absolutely necessary for ukraine's success. therefore, i believe that it is important for president zelenskyi to be as honest as possible with the ukrainian people, with the united states and... our nato allies that ukraine is fighting bravely and effectively, and no nato military would even dare to do what ukraine is doing without air superiority, which means that ukraine must get f-16s and longer-range missiles. prospects of implementation
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lendlease, as a certain insurance mechanism, i hope that the american legislation has already taken all the necessary steps so that in the event of something , we can begin to lend us weapons, i think that it is possible, this is how the political situation in the usa developed a year ago, but now, as we enter the crazy circus of the us presidential race, everything becomes unpredictable and depends on negotiations like the ones we talked about, about biden changing his policy on protecting the southern border of the united states, in exchange with the consent of extreme republicans for help. ukraine. so at this point, god only knows what will happen. you remember, a few months ago we talked with you, mr. borkovsky, and i said that the fate of aid to ukraine largely depends on who will be elected as the next speaker of the house of representatives of the us congress. then it was
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about two candidates and neither of them was elected. and mike johnson, an ardent supporter of president trump, became the speaker of the house of representatives. who is determined to make biden do so politically humiliating step and change its policy on immigration to the us in exchange for support for ukraine. and the fight, unfortunately, will continue for the next few months. thank you very much, mr. ambassador bryza for this honest and extremely informative conversation on the air of the tv channel, i want to remind our tv viewers that matthew bryza, ex-adviser of the secretary of state of the united states, former director of european and eurasian affairs in us national security council. gat. glory to ukraine and heroes. glory. vasyl
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valery chaley, former extraordinary plenipotentiary ambassador of ukraine to the united states, former deputy director of the presidential administration for international cooperation, will be working on espresso tv channel. glory to ukraine. mr. ambassador, i congratulate you. glory, congratulations. we want to sum up the dry results of president zelenskyi's visit. and this story is not about our visit president, here we are talking about very specific decisions that were made or postponed by the american administration. well, first of all, which was in the request of the ukrainian side, according to the dates, it was not initially accepted by the partners, joseph biden did not have time for a meeting at this time, well, it happens, but the desire was precisely to synchronize with the implementation of the form of defense cooperation between ukraine and the united states of america , which was logical, because... the military-industrial lobby in the usa can influence, could and can influence
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the situation, because 90% of all funds of the military of the budget, what is sent to ukraine, they remain in the united states, that is , they work for the us economy, they create jobs, they go for technological rearmament, for example, as part of this rearmament, the atakams missile, those that are in service for. .. are replaced by new pirsm missiles, with a longer range and greater accuracy, and in principle , the ukrainian program contributed to this, including that, so i think ... that all these arguments, well, which did not lead to the visit at that time, they, well i don't want to associate them with approaches specifically in the military sphere, it would rather be more desirable for the administration to invite the president of ukraine for lobbying, pushing the 61.4 billion aid package, well, it's good that this visit
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took place, i knew it and they knew it in washington, but in plain text everyone said no. in this regard, the visit of volodymyr zelenskyi will not affect from the point of view of the congress, because in the congress everything is already clear to everyone, there is good news, there is bad news, the bad news is known to everyone, there are elections in america, and it is not only presidential elections , is a congressional election, i mean the full house of representatives and 1/3 of the senate, and you look at the rhetoric of the traditional republicans, they switched to rhetoric just like margi'. a group that was marginal and now becomes mainstream, it 's a small group, as they said, a magician, about the trumpists or the freedom caucus, no, now this is the main narrative of the republicans before the election, unfortunately, because in this narrative, in addition to procrastination with the help of ukraine, let 's be honest, there was a moment when
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ukraine was not given help, and unfortunately, the situation developed precisely in such a plan, therefore... the main task of the president of ukraine was to influence the white house, president biden, in order to, well, thank them for the help that is available and agree on a plan for the next year. and this plan should consist of three things. first, and i am sure that this was discussed, although i do not have insider information from their meetings between the presidents, but from what was publicly heard at the press conference and actually from my own experience, they discussed the vision. whether there will be success next year in military terms, in terms of war, this is the first thing, it depended on this the decision of joseph biden, the second thing that needs to be done for this success is the supply of weapons, and it is clear that this success requires a completely different approach, it requires 300 missiles at least atakams, it requires several dozen planes at once f-16 platforms, permission,
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well, permission isn't the usa's denial of strikes on the airfields from which... these are strikes on us, this is also russian territory, this is rostovdon, this is the part closer to us, this is approval of this, otherwise nothing will work, that is, a change in philosophy is needed , joint and strategy, tactics, joint countermeasures against russian aggression, let's say, the de-occupation of ukrainian territories, and the third is the institutional capacity of ukraine, to what extent the ukrainian state and ukrainian society can withstand the issues. on the war, the ability of the social sphere to work in the regime of that regime, that is, the mood of the population and the mood, that is the result, i will tell you first, the press conference, despite the phrase of president biden, in my opinion, it was said, well, for the first time in my memory, that we
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will work for ukraine's victory, not as much as necessary, for victory. country phrase was good, there were other phrases, well, nato was a very, in my opinion, unsuccessful reaction, a successful reaction of president zelensky, who forwarded this question to president biden, and from president biden's answer, we understood that the question is about a political one, a political question about the accession of ukraine or the invitation to next year's washington summit is currently not considered by the white house administration, but to ask the question that only... after the war, when ukraine defends itself, you know, because, well, these are talks for the poor, after all, we are the poor in the current situation, so because we understand what our budget tells us, that is, if there is no money from the european union and the united states, then there will be, so to speak, but it is not about money , i want to finish and explain , it 's about much more, we've been looking
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at money in recent months, it's not about money, it's about the position of the us, now. will it be the same as it was before, or will it change radically, according to the body language, what happened at the press conference, i really did not like the mood of joseph biden, what caused it, i can judge from previous meetings with him personally from what i saw before that the mood was not optimistic, why this happened, i cannot say, so my conclusion is the following: two scenarios now, there are no different options . there are two scenarios , the first scenario, it is not very optimistic for us , it is that by now accusing the republicans of the fact that they did not provide aid to ukraine, the democrats and... for the fact that ukraine is not got what it takes and
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thus will show that in these conditions they are unfortunately unable to achieve what could be a victory, what jose bel said is the first option and he unfortunately i his i don't write it off, it's still, well , it's not a very good scenario, what does this mean, it means that somewhere... a few months, well, by the summer, maybe next year, ukraine will have the means to conduct further intensive hostilities, and then there will be no such means of such an intensity of war, in the conditions when putin and russia on the contrary, now they see it and want to increase the intensity, and the second scenario, it is also now, i would still hope for it, this is something that the white house has an understanding of how they can push. package of financing to ukraine, and thus, after hearing convincing arguments from the president of ukraine, go to the correction
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of the strategy, that is, what i said, after all , next year, maybe not until the summer, maybe later, but to force putin to negotiate. well, that's all, two scenarios, everything else is additional elements, so here are some factors will appear in the following days, will manifest. where will this pendulum swing, and unfortunately, i see that the decision has not yet been made, and that is good, because it can be as positive as possible, and it is bad that in these conditions there is still no final vision, well, who is about what, and i am about money in this case, and not only about american money, about european money, and in general about the so-called big game and possibly coordination secretly, not advertised in brussels, berlin and washington, this is what it is about in particular , that is... we received extremely a strong geopolitical signal from the european union, it is about the beginning of changes and so on, and we received a minus, in particular, when we talk about the macro-finance,
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we cannot draw up the budget and endure the next year without clear help from the european union, and here i wanted to ask you, was orbán's individual game now, what we saw, all of his , you know, the grasshoppers that he was throwing out, was he doing exactly what he was allowed to do, yes, well maybe... orbán is now acting as a part trumpists-republicans, yes, which in a certain way, so to speak, do what they are allowed to do. first of all, this is a very good decision and a timely political decision, and i congratulate, first of all, the europeans for finding the strength to look strategically. it is not often that europe looks strategically, now they played the right way and made a political decision to start negotiations with ukraine. this is the first. a signal in the kremlin and putin, you remember that he blackmailed both ukraine and the eu until the 14th year of european integration, and this became the cause of the euromaidan, the stoppage of european integration,
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that is, it is a good political signal. second, it is a clear reform plan for ukraine. you can now actually forget about all government innovation strategies for seven years, economic development for 10 years, everything will now develop in the negotiated process with the eu, and this is independent of the ukrainian authorities. this will be a process, the ukrainian people will not allow it to change, and each ukrainian president, the next one, will adapt to these requirements in the reform program, that is, this is a good thing, the third, which is very important, they found a way around blocking by an individual country, well orban in particular, now you ask how coordinated it was, so it goes, from different points, yes, i think that moscow had such a desire. and it seems to me that orban , in fact, due to the fact that he was given what he demanded, well, he is, you know, a trader from
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geopolitics, he squeezed 10 billion from the european union, and this i will tell you, the first such tranche of 10 billion, blocked so far, and there is a program of 30 billion. hungary receives more from brussels by 4.5 billion every year, and he actually abandoned putin. in this situation, he dumped putin, this is a victory, and we must thank german chancellor scholz and president macron, first of all these two leaders, and this is a good sign, which means that germany and france see ukrainian development further and see that ukraine will be part of the european space, therefore i most likely respond negatively to this story, because orban spoiled it, the fact that they wanted to play this way, to block the completeness... in the states, to block it in europe, the game is not over yet, because orban's political advisor just announced orban's last name , stated that
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they will continue to block finances, that is what you... that is, the game is political, well, okay, we failed here and they would have blocked our money, but then we will block everything related to finances, but there is a solution, actually , after the political decision of the eu, financial solutions can be found at the bilateral level, it is a little more difficult, but the bans are longer, more difficult, yes, and this will affect the intensity of our, well, let's say this, the capacity of our defense, because defense. now she seems to be at the front even more, but next year it will be somewhat different war, it will not only be a physical front on land or there in the black sea or in the air, it will also be the capacity of the country, institutions, and society to measure the counteraction, the confrontation of two systems, and this will be a serious challenge that we have not seen
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in recent months in principle yes. clearly , and therefore, money matters, absolutely, and here a lot of efforts will now be made, to block both in the states and in europe, and wherever possible, and putin is counting on this very much, he is saying it directly now, he is counting on that aid will decrease both financially and with weapons, and this will lead to the loss of ukraine's opportunities to the maximum... well , to restore the asymmetry, let's say, to overcome it with russia, because he threw in all the resources. in fact, i believe that the situation in russia is not much better than ours in this regard, and they threw all resources and opportunities for the 24th year, however, they calculated somewhere until the month of november, before the elections in the usa, and for us, well europe and the usa still have to accept this challenge, and europe has to show europe.
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the us example shows that support should be continued. let's now try to analyze how we should act correctly, intelligently, so that we can. perhaps there are still some prospects for helping our democrat friends, influencing the trumpists, so that the money will still go and there will be a correct decision made in our favor, and here the key story is how americans see the formula for their success, so in support of ukraine. unlikely. we will be interesting here in the plan, if we say that our situation is getting worse, complicated, in fact it is not such as to expect changes, we have already seen difficult situations when russia was actively advancing, and then there were successful actions and not only at the front, but i think that the republicans are now pushing the white house
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and joseph biden to where he did not want to go. and it is meant to make the issue in ukraine or the issue of countering russia, the issue in their part of their election campaign, they actually do it, they had a choice, they could criticize the opponents, the democrats and joseph biden for not helping ukraine enough, they chose something else, on unfortunately for us they generally, frankly, i see mike johnson leading to not providing aid to ukraine, not providing, and the fact that they all started talking about migration policy. again, all of a sudden, in connection with helping ukraine, this is a bad sign, a very bad sign, because it is possible to explain 50 times that this is how it is done in america, that this is the approach in the congress, it is true, they, they trade issues, by the way , a very wrong approach and very so strange for european politicians, in america, they consider it normal to trade in congress various issues, including
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us national security, this is america's prize... leads will lead in a very bad direction in my opinion, this has happened, especially in the last 10 years or so, this approach, so it seems to me that not everything is decided if joseph biden accepts this challenge and makes ukrainian success an issue of his election campaign in part, because the main internal issues, this is a good sign for us, and the father is the pressure of the republicans and their full, well , even opposition to aid to ukraine, i consider that opposition. was until recently the dilemma between the traditional republicans and this fringe group, now that the traditional republicans have given up, they are capitulating, look at what lancey graham, who came to ukraine, met with zelensky, said that lancey graham, who has done so much mccain's associate, look , what he said, i don't want to sit in washington for another week, i'm going to my district, this is a disaster, i have such words from...
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