for 250 years, no one has won at sea, so it would be very important to restore order in the black sea, and about other units, if objectively, well, in poland there is an infantry division of the united states, a big big red unit, which has in its composition, which not only equipment, heavy equipment 2011, so if they joined, it does not mean that we would have them there 30 abrams leopards or something to help, they would come that's why we want those units. they would come to their vehicles for their weapons, it could be very essential, or it is possible, you know , god forbid that it should be so, i would really like to believe it, because it is not clear, everyone says that we hold the eastern flank of the whole of europe, what, and that we are only fighting ourselves, why when saddam hussein was expelled everyone fought for kivet, here only we, maybe because iraq was not a nuclear state, maybe because, well, this is the answer to the political flight. no, i

don’t argue, i don’t start, i don’t want to, i’ll lose right away, i’ll give up right away, oleksiy, that’s right, it ’s the right decision, no, well, that’s not a question, listen, it’s just not a question of politics, it’s the issue of military capability , that's why it is possible, there was, there was this artificial intelligence, there were computer games, how long did the russian federation last in the event of a full-scale attack on ukraine, it went there without the use of nuclear weapons and with the destruction of more than 90%. of the russian military-industrial complex, more than half of the russian army is sunk, all the fleets they have there are sunk, well, more than half, it’s a disaster according to the calculations of artificial intelligence , it doesn’t even take months, and not weeks, it takes hours, that is, the russians have no chance there, they understand this perfectly, everyone is talking about their nuclear triads, there is still another question, there are two questions about the nuclear triad, first of all, there have been no nuclear tests since 1991 and it is not known in what state, and the expiration date of the nuclear triad weapons for 10 years, they didn't seem to replace them, and secondly, they

have a lot of these missiles that they use to hide, they created even before the sanctions, there are a lot of microcircuits, microelectronics that were supplied by europeans, americans, japanese, well, everyone knows this phrases blackdo, black door and nefavshi 75 russian, no, with no one even disputes this, but you and i will not take responsibility for this , the americans are there with the british, somehow not everyone wants to check the serviceability of these missiles in london or new york. yes, well, they don't want to, but i'm saying that they may not fly, because when we were supplied with these parts from the united states, for example, there is a black door there - it is an opportunity to control these ee microcircuits from the outside. and tell me, i wanted to talk more specifically about maryanka, if the russians are actually there already captured the city, what does it give them from a real military point of view, newsworthy, i think that it is not much, because the research institute is american, it was just analyzing the marine.

avdiivku is a city that has a more political than a military component for russians. after analyzing what will happen on the eastern front from kupinsk to ugledar, the institute went to the institute, it was divided a lot there, they conduct scientific research, they have very powerful sources, it’s not some one person there or a tabloid and some one invented something there and wrote, they calculated that significant changes, strategic changes. it will not happen at the front , it will be a defeat, a tactical defeat, but it will not give the russians anything like that, so it is still more a political basis in these hostilities, in these places, than a military one, to gather so many people in order to achieve very some sad advantages, tactical sad advantages, not to mention the strategic one, well, i think that it is difficult to find another explanation here, except that some kind of victory is needed for the russian propagandists, so that they tell something there that they...

are moving according to plan, everything is going well and so on, well, then he already told me that de-nozification, demilitarization of ukraine, that they will move without stopping, and they need some news, that everything is happening, as putin said, well, mr. oleksiy , well, here the edition of bilt reveals to us the curtain of the new strategy of the armed forces, to kill, kill and kill russians again, to start the flywheel of the destruction of as many russian soldiers as possible, as if we had just heard. discover america. in fact, the armed forces of ukraine have been using similar tactics for quite a long time back at the beginning of the 23rd year, in this aspect , we talked about bahmud as a fortified district, which the russians once again took a settlement, but not a fortified district. can we really hope that the large number of casualties on the part of the russian military will eventually lead to that. that they will stop, doesn't

the history of the confrontation show us completely the opposite? they won't stop, the fact is that even here, well, look, let's do this... two words bakhmut were placed on every 42 cm, one life of a russian soldier and there the average during the assault bakhmut, the average daily loss was 776 russian soldiers, now the average daily loss during an assault is already directly 930,931 one person, this is a large loss, and we need to add approximately two times a thousand, this is how many wounded, that is, they have a brigade approximately every day, they lose even for the russians, this is a large loss but they can to renew it in a certain way, but their technology with technology is a little worse than with people, people are still giving birth to women there, but technology women are not yet giving birth, so there is a problem there, they can to produce only 20 tanks a month and take only 50 tanks from strategic warehouses, i.e. , of the 1,500 they had in strategic

storage, they can put 3-400 into power, they have already used half of them, of three or five tanks they are building and building one and they can deliver to the front line in... 70-75 tanks, well, if it’s just about tanks, then it will be more visual, more visualization, well, more visually, and we are destroying more tanks, so this is a problem for them, yes the problem with projectiles, their industry can produce 15 million projectiles per year , of which there are approximately 4,100 shots per day, it is not enough for them, they need to shoot more, that is why they went to north korea, they went as fast as they could, and in order to supply them with at least one more million, so that it would rise to 7-8 thousand, although they need 10, that is why and about the mobilization, which putin is so excited about, how many people can be involved, by the way, about volunteers, it is very cunning, they, they people in the army was called up, that is, ordinary,

ordinary conscripts, and then directly in the barracks they are offered to whip gingerbread man, if you don't sign a contract , it will be bad for you, not very... abbreviated, but if you are a gingerbread man, you will do the same actions, only for this you will receive money, and therefore those people who were added to the army, they are already being there they sign contracts, putin then putin then tells that you see how many volunteers we have, and regarding the large mobilization, well, let's imagine 100,000 people there, well, for example, they mobilized, well, it's like with a gun, yes, these are people , who were not given weapons, kalashnikovs, they have enough machine guns, cartridges too, but for that in order for these to become military units, it is necessary... a large number of tens of thousands of junior commanders, commanders of zvodovs, commander, these are people from the freshly mobilized, you cannot put it in the fact that these people became not only with junior commanders, after all, even with junior commanders a military unit, it is necessary that there be certain services there, because any military unit is a certain structure, there must be

a weapons service, a service, a property service, a property service, a financial service, many services, an automobile service, a communication service. service, that is, people should work there who, well, you can’t put a person as the head of the decommissioning service, for example, who has just been called up, who does not understand anyone at all , what needs to be done and where to do it, so they can attract a large number of people, this will be the first they do not have enough heavy equipment, even with a decent staff breakdown , it will be light infantry in any case, it is not yet clear how they will form military units from this light infantry where so many khvikites are hired, but they are starting now, i understand that there is not enough time. thank you actually for these numbers and for explaining how it all happens in practice, because we have an understanding of a large russian federation with a large population and great ambitions to take over ukraine, it would seem that it should be easier, just take a lot of people and you throw them to the front, but obviously a certain systematic approach

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we continue our saturday political club, khrystyna yatskiv and vitaly portnikov. let's talk about the european integration of ukraine. this week is, one might say, historic, landmark. our guest is arseniy yatsenyuk, the prime minister of ukraine in 2014. the head of the kyiv security forces, congratulations, mr. arseniy, vitaliy, i congratulate you and khrystyna, i

congratulate you and your audience, of course, you signed the part of the association agreement that already put an end, one might say, to ukraine's euro expectations, after the maidan 2013-14, the very signing of this first part of the agreement showed that we are moving in this direction, but in order to get the opportunity to... negotiate with the european union, it took 10 years, is that a lot or a little? mr. vitaly, this is a lot , of course, but i will tell you briefly what happened 10 years ago, when, by the way, the association agreement was signed, because i signed the political part of the association agreement with the european union, it was just after the maidan, the government had just been formed, there was a complete lack of governance in the country, in general nothing is working yet, i am coming to the council of the european union to... hear from our european friends, so how are we going to move towards europe? and you know, in fact,

during the meeting of the council of the european union , they refuse to let us sign the agreement, this is a historical fait accompli, and then i take the floor, then, by the way, merkel and cameron were there, and tusk was then, and i say, tell me, please, and then how to return to kyiv, what to return to kyiv with, and what to say to the people of ukraine, which, under the flags of the european union, which are little used in the countries themselves, of the european union, fought for our european future, and then, as a matter of fact, a political decision was made, with the understanding that if the european union does not support the signing of the agreement, then there is the question of what values ​​the european union stands on in general. yes, it was 10 years ago, and what happened now has certain parallels for me, because, well, it's like you can say that it was really led... victory primarily the european union itself, when they overcame orban's veto to

begin the negotiation process regarding ukraine's accession to the european union. i emphasize once again, 10 years have passed since we signed the association agreement, and on the other hand, you have to look at things realistically, yes, this is a historic decision for the european union and for ukraine, to bring ukraine back into the bosom. europe, but there may still be years, years, years and dozens of vetoes by orbán and others on the way to this decision, so i just ask everyone to understand correctly, that this decision is an unambiguously positive political signal, but the road to full membership of ukraine in the european union is very, very long, and here i will give another analogy, as the minister of foreign affairs in 2007... i was then signing an agreement on the simplification of the visa regime, well precisely journalists

remember this agreement, because according to this agreement the visa regime was simplified for many categories of citizens, including journalists, and since 2007, we spent 10 years to sign a visa-free regime, not a simplified visa regime, and mine the government then fulfilled 141 demands of the european union. in the 16th year, we completed the technical procedures, and only in the 17th , the visa-free regime was finally opened, that is, imagine the scale of the problems, the visa-free regime is roughly like this. and ukraine's membership in the european union, well , i don't have the breadth of my hands to say the volume of problems that will have to be solved during the negotiations with our european partners in order for ukraine to become a member of the eu, well, not to mention a lot of problems, the key problem is how will end war, i would start with this in general, so that it is ukraine that conducts these negotiations. mr.

arseniy, if i understood you correctly, there is still a big question hanging over our... prospect of membership in the eu, the result of the war with the russian federation, and the fact that negotiations are now starting about our accession does not guarantee us it at all if we do not win . khrystyna, it's a shame to admit it, but it's not that it's a shame, you have to admit the facts, you have to, you have to live in the real world, and in this real world, russia is fighting against ukraine. in to the entire real world, war criminal vladimir putin for several days. therefore, at his press conference on his reassignment , he clearly repeated all these inhuman and terrible theses in relation to ukraine, more precisely, he once again said that he wants to take over all of ukraine. and by the way, look at how this monster's tone has changed. so he sat in diapers for a year, and now after

the congress of the united states did not find the strength to vote for... a decision that primarily concerns national security of the united states of america. and the roles and places of the united states of america in the world coordinate system. these 61 billion dollars are nothing. compared to the consequences of not voting. the second is the same for the european union. i would be much more, i would say, so, well, positive about our ether with you, if, except for the political decision to start. negotiations between ukraine and the european union, a decision was made which is very clear, which, you know, concerns specific things, money today, and 50 billion euros for four years is not the same voted, and all our friends are well aware that the law of ukraine on the state budget, which has been voted, is just not a piece of paper, because there is no money as of

today, and i understand how the ministry of finance will still manage january-february. month, and it is clear that there are reserves of the central bank, which in an emergency situation will have to be burned in order to fulfill budget obligations, well, but this does not solve any problem at all, because in principle it means that ukraine is not capable of such situations to keep the economic situation, and ukraine, not receiving financial and military aid, will then correspond to the theses that i read yesterday on cnn, on cnn. they are already writing, and this, you know, bad guy , he has been walking around for a long time, about the fact that, well, you know, if the west does not help ukraine, then ukraine will lose, eureka, here, they are actually counting how long we can hold out , it's true, well, it's some kind of theater, it's not even a theater of the absurd, it's a theater of historical

irresponsibility in general, well, you can draw parallels, certain parallels, for example, in the united states of america in the year 48 the marshall plan was just as difficult, extremely difficult, and by the way, the paradox is that the same republicans, 20 republicans, precisely in the united states senate, voted against the marshall plan at the time, who were also selling the same messages word for word, regarding the inexpediency of supporting a free europe, just as individual hungarian republicans are now selling messages regarding the inexpediency of support. country, but as a result, a decision was made, and as a result of this decision , the world one was actually recorded order, which is now broken, after the second world war, and it is clear that when the three of us and your audience talk about it, we will not solve these problems, but at least our task is to say about how these problems

should be solved and in general , what is on the agenda for ukraine today? therefore, the issue of the war is key, i will tell you as frankly that what worries me most of all now and why i applaud the most is the decision to grant ukraine, not just prospects, but ukraine's membership in nato. and now i always listen very carefully to vitaliy, and i have a problem with vitaliy that i cannot argue with him, because i agree with him on all issues, but i wanted to have one such discussion with him, perhaps on this ether , one discussion about the fact that vitaly, you always say that negotiations as such are unrealistic as of today, and here i agree with you. that negotiations with putin as of today are unrealistic, because he does not see these negotiations, did not understand what to talk about, it is difficult for me to imagine negotiations where ukraine and russia talks about the fact that russia also agrees,

you withdraw from ukrainian territories , pay reparations, ukraine becomes a member of nato, ukraine becomes, becomes a member of the european union, putin goes to a military tribunal, that is, i do not see this situation, but i wanted to ask you about the second model, and why, if our western nato allies. and the member states of the european union did not play the same game, it may be incorrect to say the game, but they would not go the right way, uh, turning to russia, saying, look, we made a political decision, ukraine will nato member, period, we are not discussing this decision with you, but as part of this decision, we suggest that you sign, for example, a new agreement between russia and nato member countries, first, second, a new agreement on the control of conventional weapons in europe, third, start a new agreement, this is the limitation of strategic nuclear weapons, fourth, a new agreement

has been passed, well, that is, cyber security, then we are proposing a mechanism for reparation of damages in ukraine, that is 300 billion of yours there, so they will be... during there 15 or 20 years, the funds that come from this 300 billion go to pay ukraine, after ukraine receives full compensation, so then maybe we will consider the return of your funds, i can moderate for a long time, but i am interested in vitaly's position on this questions, i just want, i have only one question, and why should russia agree to this, and i can tell you for sure that she will not agree under any circumstances, well, they offered her, she did not agree, what to do next ? and i will tell you what to do next, after all putin did almost the same thing when he proposed the so-called nato agreement, where there is no nato expansion, that is, i would

do it in the place of the free world, understanding that putin will not agree, but you are publicists in the world publicist, we say what we are about wanted a break with russia, that's right. we wanted to listen to russia's position, we offered them what we can offer them, and russia refused it, so we reaffirm our political decision regarding the need for ukraine's membership in nato, if russia ever wants to return to this issue, well please, we are ready to sit down at the transition table, i can explain to you what is the difference between the russian and western approach, russia, when planning, proposed this... approach is completely unrealistic, as no russian former the soviet republics cannot be members of nato, that it is necessary to withdraw

armed forces from the territory, she said: if you do not agree to this, we will be forced to carry out measures of a military and technical nature, that is, such proposals make sense if you are then ready to fight, here is putin demonstrated that he is ready to fight if his proposals are not... accepted, he knew that the west would not accept them, and he was just preparing them as a foundation for war, what will the west do, well, the west will say, we will accept ukraine into nato , we will do everything, if the west is not ready to fight alone, then these proposals do not make sense, that is why, vitaliy, i want that if the west theoretically agreed to such a model, the west would thereby approve, we are ready to fight for a new member of nato, who is ukraine, well, they are not... this is what we are talking about, that is whether i am ready, whether it is possible

to conduct negotiations, theoretically, of course, it is possible, but the conditions of these negotiations, the so-called negotiations, i do not even know, i do not even know whether it is correct to call it negotiations, perhaps it would be correct to call it, if in the west there was political will, the establishment of a new world order, well, let's raise the bar, here we are with... we understand that now some secret negotiations at the level of the special services there, at the level of someone else, are actually being held between the west and russia, we do not know this, but we understand what they can talk about there, some che some some there, remember how in the times of the cold war, of course there is some back channel there, some red phones are working there, and objectively, at the level of development, at the level of the military leadership, this is happening, what they are talking about, well, vitaliy, i don't do conspiracy theories. i don't advise anyone to engage in conspiracy theories, i think that as of today they were talking about not having a nuclear strike, they were talking about some kind of cheap

de-escalation, about... warning each other about the probability of this nuclear attack, and with regard to ukraine, i think that there are no specific negotiations now, i would like to ask you then about viktor orban, we already talked about him, well, you worked with him, you generally understand how to work with viktor orbán, what is the point of all these conversations with viktor orbán, look, it's true, i worked and met with them, first of all, what i see, it's not a win for the european right now, postponing the decision, it's not solution. problems and orban clearly showed himself dozens of times, and he proved himself in the most difficult issue, apart from the political, financial, economic issue, it is about 50 billion, he will continue to play, and i think that his game will be aimed at only one thing: to prevent ukraine from becoming a member of the european union, full stop, and i have no doubts, unlike fico, with whom i also worked, this is the prime minister of slovakia, and that's

when fi'. became prime minister, then there were a lot of exclusively negative articles about him, now i am not going to whitewash him in anything, i i will say only one thing, that when it was necessary, then we managed with his government to start a reverse flow of gas, despite the fact that, well, in fact, it was against russia, despite the fact that it was not directly in the interests of slovakia itself , but then with our american friends, we managed to do it, and now, in principle, fizo became a prince... he led by tacit consent and he at least did not go anywhere, so i emphasize once again, going back to orbán, i do not see his other game as games to raise rates for yourself and lower rates for of ukraine, and what is the difference between the positions of fico and orban, they have different economic interests, like when you persuaded fico, what could you hope for, well, you know, when they slandered fico, i was not the only one who slandered them, but they slandered

together with... ... our american partners, i think that the level of ties and dependence of both fico and orban are somewhat different in relation to russia in the first place. ugh. finally, please, mr. arseniy, there are still battles in the united states over aid for ukraine, israel, and taiwan. the senate continues negotiations on the additional request of the white house in the amount of 106 billion. and chakum, the leader of the majority in the senate. of the democrats says that the senators still aim to come back to this topic in general, literally next week, does that mean that there is finally some kind of internal consensus solution, no, look, they can vote, there's just one small problem, the senate doesn't decide this is a question, the lower house must vote, and the lower house will not be able to do it tomorrow, or the day after tomorrow, or next

week, so... to remove all procedural moments, what do i think? i think the united states of america is going to make a bipartisan decision to support ukraine, i do, well, i ca n't say i'm sure, yeah, but my feeling that that 61 billion will be voted, my feeling is that the level of support will go down . and that the election race in the united states will significantly affect the level of support for ukraine. my feeling is that if another president is elected, it will probably be from the republican side, it will be trump, and not just like that, the senate in its decision, what they voted just a few days ago, they approved the defense budget of the united states. think about it, for the first time the senate, in its decision to approve the defense budget of the united states of america, forbade

the president. withdraw from nato, which means that the united states senate is theoretically preparing for the fact that, for example, trump may become president and may decide to withdraw from nato. therefore, in summary, both the european union and the united states of america are highly likely to accept these financial assistance packages, this is the first, second, all other financial aid packages. will be ten times more difficult than they are going today, thirdly, it will be seriously affected by the level, the general level of support among the american people and among europeans, because the phrase about the so-called fatigue from war, well, it is simply the psychological state of every person, when people begin to focus more on their own problems than on other people's, as they believe,