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ivanna klympush-tsintsadze, the former vice-prime minister and now the people's deputy and head of the committee on ukraine's integration into the eu, will solve all these riddles for us. mrs. ivanna, we congratulate you. glory to ukraine. glory to heroes. let's start with what one has, agent of influence of the russian federation, there were 79 ways to stop the euro integration. of ukraine, this is orban's statement against the background of his speech that he is not given 20 billion euros in addition to 10 billion, so he will block everything right and left, what about this, he will block not only because he wants to receive money that blocked for hungary , will block, probably for several reasons, but because of his dependence on the russian federation, because he wants to...

have his power in hungary for an incredible number of years, well, actually, because he has already stated that he does not want to leave brussels, this is a direct quote, but wants to take over brussels, that is, he wants to propose his rules of the game, which have nothing to do with democratic european values ​​and the foundations on which the european union was built in order to this european union has now begun to act on... yes, let's say, on new approaches, autocratic and not at all democratic, these are the reasons why orbán behaves today exactly as we see, and in relation to ukraine, we must understand, that he will block if today, if today for other countries of the european union it is a matter of principle to help ukraine, then he will block this issue, if tomorrow it is a question of, say, the security of europe, he will block that issue, and therefore... this problem

needs a systemic solution, not a systemic solution , ms. ivanna, there is a document from 2007, there is a clause in it, when it is possible to deprive hungary of the right to vote with such undemocratic procedures, or simply scholz will have to take orbán out for coffee and to the toilet 75 times, or will they still apply this point, the european union is based on... always finding a common solution as much as possible, and that's why i think that european leaders will try to the last to use all the possibilities of persuasion, pressure, if you like, on orbán, in order to in order not to apply this seventh article of the lisbon treaty, which provides for a complicated procedure, but provides for the possibility of depriving one or another country of its rights. veto, well, actually their voting

rights in the european council, and allows exactly that due to the fact that this or that country. violates , first of all, the rule of law, this is what hungary violates within the european union, and that is why the money, well, that we are talking about with you, 30 billion, which were euros, which were blocked and 10, well, recently unfrozen for hungary, this it is precisely because of these grounds that they were frozen for hungary, but we have to understand with you that if the european union resorts to... this, the use of this seventh article of the lisbon, lisbon agreement, then after all the european union must be convinced that none of the other 26 countries will block this decision to deprive

hungary of the right to vote, and here, too, it is a question of how other countries see for themselves, well, this right and... to what extent they decide to fit in or not fit in with this blackmailer and the autocrat of europe. mrs. ivanna, well , orban by orban, and in fact , it will be necessary not only to kiev to solve orban's case, but above all to brussels , the main european leaders will also deal with it, but in our country, in the meantime, we cannot just sit and wait until orban will agree on what to do with orban, we have a huge homework, i analyzed in general. i looked at what happened in the issues of ukrainian european integration over the past 20 years, and mostly everything that happened was during crisis situations in ukraine, and these were such steps on the part of the eu in support, this is how the maidan began,

certain processes began, there was one agreement, now, if it wasn't for the war, if it wasn't for the full-scale invasion, we don't know, actually, whether these processes, the accession process, would have started, whether it would have started with... now or 100 years from now, then, probably, it would not be very logical to wait for some other acute moments, and you have to do this homework yourself , preferably not to stretch it for 50 years. so, do we have an action plan in our country , this plan, what to implement, in what terms, with what schedule? at the moment, this plan does not exist yet, we are waiting for the government to submit it to the verkhovna rada of ukraine for consideration, but before that... accordingly, having made a decision at a government meeting, this is the direct responsibility of the cabinet of ministers of ukraine, always in every country, namely the executive power, she is responsible, was responsible and will continue to be responsible for, well, the preparation of such an action plan, so

we expect that in the near future the government will still be able to present such a priority plan of steps that we should proceed with, it is obvious that it will be refined in... in view of how the assessment by the european commission of our compliance with our legislation will go in terms of, well , how it is combined with european legislation, and these are the things on the basis of which this government plan will be refined accordingly then, which i hope, also well we we can discuss and agree. to adopt also at the level of the parliament of ukraine. and you're right when you say that we have a lot of homework, actually, well, there 's not much to look forward to, because even if we take the 150 pages of text, the european

commission's assessment of the enlargement package that it released this fall, then you and i will understand what is there in black and white... well, not in the form of points 1 2 3 4 5, but in the form of tasks and problems, outlines of problems, there is already a huge number of clear messages, and what exactly what needs to be done in ukraine, and it seems to me that it is time, well, for our colleagues, in particular from the monomajority, to carefully read these 150 pages, i have already repeatedly appealed to them with this request, so that they... i believe that only that , which, you know , is singled out in points 1, 2, 3, 4, that's exactly what requires our focus, actually, it's not true, yes, it's urgent, let's say, things, but all the other things are also pretty clear, and first of all we

need to focus on the basics, on the foundations, on the rule of law, on the foundations of democracy, freedoms and rights that are key. for any member country of the european union, especially when the countries of the european union see how those who have already entered and who are already there are quite yes... but like hungary they are beginning to abuse the opportunities that the european union gives them, so in the future they will blow on the cold, we have to understand that this is the decision of the european council, it was, in my opinion , the last political advance for ukraine on its way to european, to membership in the european union. actually, ms. ivano, yes you emphasized this very well, because... er, nine years is the average number, how long it takes a country from the beginning of this

process of joining the eu, to the very entry, some experts say that with ukraine it can be faster , because we don't have easy conditions, but on the other hand, we understand that if we don't tighten the legislation here, if we don't tighten all these things that are needed as part of the homework, then they won't be happy to see us and not only hungary will block it. our accession to the eu. your predictions as long as possible take all this? well, according to my calculations, the average time for the advancement of countries between candidate status and the acquisition of full membership is still seven years, and i would very much like ukraine not to fail during this period of time in its, in its advancement, but really there will be a lot depend on how much... we really have a political consensus, how much we really have the political will to move, and let's not

try to, you know, deceive ourselves, as it happened, for example, even with the implementation of these seven conditions of the european union, when, say, a decision on a law that would change the rules of selection of judges to the constitutional court, well, colleagues from the majority... tried to sell it as fulfilled, although it was clearly understood that it did not correspond to the original to our version of the recommendations of the venice commission, the main thing for us is not to fool ourselves and not to try to go somewhere between the dots, when we will perform this or that task, it is in our interests, it is in our interests that the rules and the procedures that we will pass have started to work because... it's not just about passing legislation, you can pass beautiful legislation as we can see and

even get a tick from the european union for passing it, like with the media law, but to see that the law on media in no way ensures media freedom and freedom of speech in ukraine, these are the things that the european commission will obviously check now, not only laws, not only that. as prescribed rules, namely, how these rules already work in ukrainian reality, and this the things for which i think ukraine is not quite ready yet, and these are the things that we will have to master, huh, mrs. ivano, but you know my weakness for democratic european fascists, so i want to return to this topic again , just look at her. through bulgarian eyes, the morning in the bulgarian media began with the fact that

hungary imposes a veto on bulgaria for schengen, if there are taxes for the transit of russian gas, that is , it is not only in us, it turns out that orban and his democrats from fidesz vetoed it, and also imposed it on bulgaria for the fact that the bulgarians have a duty on the transit of russian gas through its territory is unique. the regime in budapest, which broke democracy, spat on all the rules of the european union and has both territorial and pro-russian claims to all neighbors, and we will not be able to do anything with their syarts, fidesz, because they are such yobs that, well, what are they like yes, even that party cannot enter, because that's how they act, how can we communicate with brussels? "we won't force them to apply this veto disqualification procedure for the first time, what should we do? but

look, it seems to me that this is just confirms what we just talked about, i said that orbán will look for things that are important for other countries and will blackmail and will block with those other issues as well, it will not only concern ukraine, and how about me. .." such behavior in relation to the blocking of entry into the schengen area by bulgaria and hungary is another reason for the fact that... european countries should return to systematically solving this issue, but, let me emphasize, it requires work with all 26 countries, if not to get a veto on that, on the potential deprivation of the right to vote by hungary, and here it is obvious that some people there are expressing

reservations, or in this context in some way it will become. ally for orbán is the prime minister of slovakia fico, or will someone else become a potential ally who will pull him out of this abyss for the time being. it seems to me that there are again two parallel tracks, one is that it is the european union that has to solve this problem, and that, unfortunately, ukraine has no influence, cannot have influence on this until it is not within the european union, but the other thing is precisely that ukraine should at the same time very qualitatively focus on doing its homework, so that all 26 countries, they saw that the credit of trust that

they provided, in that including at the expense of their politicians, their political capital. ukraine, it is used as efficiently as possible by ukraine, ukraine, well, fulfills the expectations placed on it. mrs. ivanna, thank you, currently they have more allies, for example, in the form of a bank or nehamera, you never know where it is torn, but bulgaria has the right of veto imposed on hungary and cannot join schengen, such is the european world despite the war, but what about us? there are still candidates for european integration, these are our brothers georgia, we received good positive news together with us last week and we will talk about all this with khatia dekanoidze, a georgian politician, literally in a second, ms. khatia is already in touch with us , have already joined the conversation, we congratulate you, ms.

khatiya, congratulations, congratulations, congratulations, well, first of all, we we congratulate you, yes, because the status of a candidate... and for membership in the european union is also an important step for georgia, and we want to ask right away what is changing for the country itself, what are the next steps, is there already an action plan? well, first of all, i also want to say that i congratulate ukraine, the important thing is that... they have opened, that is, the stage of negotiations has already been opened, and i really, really respect, that is, the approach of the european union, a unified approach, despite , that hungary blocked very strongly, you know, very very long, it was a serious problem, we very were worried, i was also very worried, but i think that it is because of ukraine, because

of the fact that you are such a saying in our country, that is , we... georgians, that is, we have such a saying, no, it's not a saying, that is, we are discussing it, because of ukraine, the time has come that we have been waiting for, georgia has been waiting for a long time, for a long time, you know that 75%, 80% of georgians are pro-european and that ukraine defended its freedom, that's why it became clear that georgia also received candidate status, you know that last year we did not receive

loan agents, so i think that the stage has come when it is necessary to think about changing the government of georgia, you know that we have elections in 2024, that is, in october, and i do not think that the dream is how would we have a chance to open negotiations, that is , this stage, which is very important, and i think that the very first such test will be free and free elections. officially the european union granted the status of a candidate for a member of the european union for georgia, did they consider the future in this case

the accession of georgia to the european union with the entire territory, or without the territories occupied by muscovites? it is also important for us, because we also want to understand how we are viewed within the borders of the country, whether minus the occupied territories, how about the georgian occupiers... что похишают тоже наших продукты, the european union, because they are killing our people, you know, nato, our partners the united states , that is, the germans, i don't know, the french, they very

clearly said several times that yes, that georgia is occupied and that we have territorial integrity, of course, this is for us it is very important that georgians, georgia be united, so i think that there is no question about it, but the most important thing, you know, for us.

i think that now it is important for georgia, it is important for georgia, that in 2004 we have a pro-western coalition, that is, a new government that will be a pro-western coalition, which will be very... did not support, you refused to join the energy sanctions of the european union about the russian federation? why last week's good news, but you don't want to support the eu. you have 30 seconds, please, quickly. no, no, look, the new ones, that is, the reforms

that we must make, these are nine reforms, the first one is that the priorities of the georgian foreign policy coincide with the priorities of the georgian foreign policy, with the priorities of the european union's foreign policy, this is very important, and i think that if this issue will not be considered, then of course we will open negotiations. a georgian politician was with us, and it was you who mentioned the fact that bosnia, herzegovina, serbia, well, only russian-wooled states in russia, well, together with orban, are stepping towards the light european future, well, this is what we have managed to tell you today, but our colleagues will continue, our colleagues will continue, stay with espresso, roman and i wish you well. have a peaceful, safe day, take care, see you tomorrow. attention, incredible

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