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attempts, in addition to this robot, these are the neighborhoods that have already been liberated, they are constantly under enemy fire, at the moment, if you look at the photos and videos from there, you can to see that this is such a burned-out land, almost nothing is left of this village, unfortunately, and if we talk about the situation at the front in general, not only around the workers, but in general in zaporizhzhia, as the situation looks now, in principle on the whole. front that borders yours region, what can you tell us in general, has the number of shellings increased and has the nature of these shellings changed, if so, what exactly do they look like? well, in fact, the number of shellings in zaporizhzhia, it is usually large, stable in the zaporizhzhia region, today there were more than 100 shellings per day, fortunately there were no casualties, in general, it was the whole last week... er, somewhere from 100 to

150 shellings , there were even days when there were less than 100 shellings. as for the situation at the front itself, our military they report that the russian troops are currently advancing, they are trying to restore their positions, they are building new lines of defense in the occupied territories, they don’t even have a number anymore, if earlier they said there were the first and second lines of defense, now even theirs is not called well, taking into account the fact that we have such cold weather now, the fighters say that, in principle, it is becoming more difficult at the front, of course, that it is much more difficult for them to fight in the cold season, well, this is what the military reports, of course, some details more competently, this can probably be told by the military or military experts themselves, i 'm just saying that this is what our official armed forces tell us and in informal communication our vii... officials are familiar with.

ms. aliso, well, if we talk, for example, about the enemy's attempts to attack on the zaporozhye front, perhaps there are certain areas, so to speak, that are less talked about now. we understand that the work of recruiters is on everyone's lips. but it is possible that there are some additional areas where the enemy has become more active, using aviation and massive missiles shelling perhaps they are preparing one or another offensive action. well, unfortunately, there is no such information, that's all. we hear that mostly the information space revolves around robotic and willpower, and as for the nature of the shelling, it is still mostly artillery shelling, there are usually more of them than anything else. ms. aliso, there is also information about the fact that in zaporizhzhia they detained an adjuster who was passing on data to the russian fsb about the consequences of enemy rockets hitting a high-rise building in the city, but it was still on october 18, and here i have a question to you, what about zaporizhzhia in general now with

the work of correctional officers who work for the enemy, all kinds of collaborators and the like, is there any kind of activation of them now? of their work and is anything actually known about the work of preventing their, let's say, harm to us? unfortunately, during the entire time of the full-scale invasion in zaporizhzhia, these traitors and collaborators are constantly exposed, you know , it is not known here, either there were so many of them in zaporizhzhia, or our security service works so well, in any case, unfortunately, the one in zaporizhzhia there are also... dunas of russian peace, there are those who want to make money from the occupiers, unfortunately, this is a generally proven fact, you know, even if you type such bright news, when an adjuster was found, you can see that locally we still have such there are also people who may

be waiting for the russians, here, for example, this week we broke plaques, memorial plaques to fallen soldiers, just vandals, well, how do we understand that this is for some ideological reasons. well, we hope that they will be exposed in the future, unfortunately, quite often there were cases that these swindlers and these adjusters were in the highest branches, for example, you know that among the management of motor-sich, among the leading specialists, there were such people, that is, who have, well, you can say, a high social position , that these are not ordinary people, mrs. aliso, melitopol, right? there was information that it was possible to carry out an extremely productive sabotage there, so in particular it is said that the railroad tracks were blown up and a freight train of the intervenors boarded, what do you hear, maybe there is some additional news? well indeed

we were informed that this was a very brilliant operation, because this train, in general , this section of the railway itself, it was quite... for the russian occupiers, they used it to bring equipment and ammunition to melitopol, and from here they took it out, including and looted, and our resources, and in general reported that this is already the 11th such successful operation specifically on the railways, the first full-scale invasion, well, one can only marvel at the courage of our armed forces and these professionally prepared operations, moreover , he said.. .that after spending such a close operation, usually in the occupied territories repressions intensify, and you know, one would expect that the resistance movement would reduce its activity a little, but no, today we literally saw that they did not conduct such a powerful action in

melitopol and berdyansk, they hung a lot of yellow ribbons, and they burned russian newspapers on camera, so we see that they really live there... our unbroken people, ukrainians, are waiting there for the armed forces. mrs. aliso, and we would also like to ask you which one now the situation around the zaporizhia nuclear power plant, how complicated it is now , we understand that it has been complicated all this time, yes, but there is something to hear from there now, and i would also like to clarify with you about the passporting of forced workers of this nuclear power plant, what about it known, also please inform. well, indeed, we are informed that the situation at the zaporizhzhya nuclear power plant... it does not change much, it is still such a powerful military facility of the russians, because personnel are stationed there, and military equipment, and constantly shelling marganets and nikopol from the territory of the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, and as for passporting, there were

really troubling news from the energodar itself, because currently those who work in management positions are people who, in principle, already ... did russian passports and concluded agreements with rosat, but there remained employees who did not want to do this, and now, you know, they are starting to tighten these nuts even more there, because they announced that they passport 100% of all until the end of december, and unfortunately , repression continues there, and even we are informed that there are workers of the nuclear power plant, whose whereabouts are still unknown, are still at the beginning of a full-scale... invasion precisely because of their reluctance to receive a russian passport and conclude contracts, they were taken to the basement, where they are now, unfortunately, is unknown. in general, the occupiers report that as of january , all those who have not received a russian passport will be declared foreigners, and of course, even elementary, it is not that

they stay in their homes, they are not will be able to receive medical assistance, they will not be able to receive any social assistance, they are even threatened with... if they do not receive this passport and do not become so-called citizens of the russian federation on ukrainian soil. thank you, alisa sysoeva, journalist and deputy. the zaporizhia district council was in touch with us, we thank her for the quick inclusion in our broadcast and the story about what is happening in zaporizhzhia, there will be a few minutes of break now and wait, now we will add something so interesting expert in our studio, so be with us. the story of the rise of the legendary nba team. in

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the information day of the espresso tv channel continues. roman kostenko. contact us. people's deputy of ukraine, secretary of the verkhovna rada committee on national security, defense and intelligence, colonel of the security service of ukraine. glory to ukraine, mr. colonel. glory to heroes. your versions, listening around, i'm not saying in the office, in one of the rooms that could be used by the head of zaluzhnye. but there is a bug. criminal case. moved , well, accordingly, who is so daring , you understand, who could scatter the relevant devices in violation of ukrainian legislation, how is this possible in general, so we understand what a powerful signal this is, well... and the key story in your opinion, is there in general , the chances of finding, arresting and specifically punishing unauthorized wiretapping during martial law? well, you need to know the nuances first of all, how it was there, where it was, and there many nuances, who had access, who had the right to those offices directly, which are there, what was planned there, when it was planned there,

of course, what is happening on the territory of the general staff, on the headquarters of the commander-in-chief, the counter-intelligence protection provides the security service of ukraine, which has to deal with this directly, so this is a bell that says that we need to be more careful and the services should also pay, let's say, more attention to counterintelligence protection itself. the highest military person of the state in order to one or another piece of information could not come out of these large offices, where, among other things , a decision is planned regarding the future further actions of our defense forces, well, yes, we agree with you, but the key story, so to speak, is how quickly it will be possible to conduct

an investigation of the appropriate level, well, because it is a scandal, i think that it is not only a scandal in... ukraine, i can just imagine how something like that could be read in london or in berlin or in the united states, well, on the other hand, there is some guesses are not bad maybe the enemy is picking up and is able to plant one or another of its radio devices, for example, i don’t know, one or another russian agent could somehow sneak in there and using one or another operative game, so to speak, could expose one or another device, well it will need to leave. the security service of ukraine, look, in our country, who can install these devices, and according to a court decision, the security service of ukraine can install it itself, according to a criminal case or some counter-intelligence cases, there is naboo or the police , also according to the court decision, that is if there are

any grounds for it, then who else could it be, it could be... some people including e from the environment, now we are just theorizing from the environment , who can, or have some task, or want to know something, having access, some information, and the third is really - the agency of the enemy, really, i don't know what's there, some personnel officer of the gur or the fsb will not do it , because he does not have access there, but all special services work through... their recruited agents in some or other bodies, do we have them in the ministry of defense, in the general staff , in the same security service, as well as recruited agents, well, i am sure that yes, that we did not clear all of them, or it was her, well, that it is necessary to clarify the security services , in general, look, it is not enough to say that it is super difficult there, i think that where

the head is located, the number of people is still limited there, there are not thousands of them, and what... so that, let's say , to narrow the circle, you need to understand who had access there, what was planned there, which people, what information was there could take possession of it, whatever kind of premises it was, regime, non-regime, therefore, in principle, the circle of persons can be narrowed down and it is possible, in principle, to calculate who it was and what did it, well, i hope that it is not someone there, you know, but i forgot one more direction, maybe it’s some there, there might be some political orders, but i’m not there... what is there specifically there at the central committee, and what can happen in our country in general is there, someone is listening to someone including, or someone out there is trying to listen, i don't i'm talking about the senior management executives there now , but there are a lot of nuances that can also, it's in general, if we take, who might be interested in it. mr. roman, there was

information that the employees actually started checking on the lie detector. and i would like to ask you, do you think it is okay to pass through a lie detector at all, even if you pass through there, for example, this part of the employees, and in principle, if you pass through a lie detector all the employees of our special services who are responsible for the security of our states, this is some kind of, you know, a win-win situation and a kind of panacea to check whether there are no tricks left at times, so what is your position regarding lie detectors in such cases, my... i have a positive position, i myself was in special services and i can say that the lie detector is not a proof there, it is not, as you correctly say, a panacea, but it often answers many questions when the right questions are asked, after all, it does not depend on the lie detector itself, directly from the polygraph examiner, if a good polygraph examiner will make the right questions, if you ask

questions, for example, about cooperation with foreign special services or specifically with enemy special services, there at least you can outline the circle of people who have nothing to do with this and, for example, remove suspicion from someone, because well, i will say , it is very difficult, there are several types of polygraphy , it is very difficult to learn how to bypass all of them, i think that all of them are impossible, you can have some one type, and if you are duplicated by the second one, then you, in principle, i think it is unlikely that you will be able to do it, so this is very good such a step, and me so that all the special services, let's say , checked, as well as here is a very correct step, those who are now what i said, a narrowed circle of persons, so that they are all driven through the detector. and in general, those people who , even in the security service, are now appointed to serious positions there from the head of the department, from the head of the department and above, they pass

a polygraph, i think it is correct, and this is an issue that makes it impossible to get into positions there, let's say people who mm support, who are there moles including, but, but there is one, but, er, lie detector, he is applied, as a rule, for example, if we are talking about some special service there, it is applied to the personnel decision before signing and they say, look, you are appointing him now, but he has such and such answers, and this lie detector, he is not, let's say, the reason for not appointing a person somewhere is given at the decision of the commander there or the chief, and very often we have had cases when, even with a negative polygraph test, such commanders took ... their own risks and appointed these people, we we understand that, so more is needed here to approach this seriously , it is possible to write something in the legislation

so that such people cannot be appointed, but here the question is different, that the lie detector itself is not so evident, let’s say something that could 100% say yes or no, so answering, yes i'm sure this can answer some questions, well, the same question about... but security circles, we understand, if god forbid, of course, but the enemy gained access in order to install one or another of his eavesdropping devices technique, can try to install certain radio beacons and so on, well, accordingly, i would like to ask you, mr. colonel, what prospects it is possible to revise, tighten certain security protocols, because the war is ongoing, we understand how insidious and cynical the enemy is, who will not shy away from any , god forbid, of course, but bad methods? you know, we usually talk about it on such a large scale, about this wiretapping, i would like to see in general what kind of wiretapping there is, at my age, let's say, working in

the special services, i saw things from quite primitive, which were quite deletant there, i don't know installed there for different methods, and some remained after there then, and to the super professional, which is practically impossible, here you can consider many questions, whether how it was installed, whether it was specially installed so that it was discovered, was it powered, there is information that it was not connected, maybe someone threw something in order to create a resonance, but now we are just, let’s say, making it up, there is no information for 100%, i just came from the south to the capital and want to meet there by some people, to find out what the situation is, because now we can develop the situation with you, and when you saw the other thing... you'll just understand that it doesn't even fit our conversation here on the air, so in general, in in general, we should not only push back from what is happening now, in general, counterintelligence work should be established all the time, and in

the office of the president there are special departments that provide counterintelligence work both in the general directorate of security and defense, and in the ministry of defense, there are special subdivision which are clearly responsible for counterintelligence protection, if they allowed what happened ... they have to take responsibility for it and they have to do everything they can to prevent it from happening again. mr. roman, allow me to talk with you about the mobilization, chief zaluzhny called the dismissed regional military personnel professionals and commented on the mobilization that is currently underway in ukraine. therefore, valery zaluzhnyi said that he considers the dismissed regional military personnel to be professionals who knew how to do it, that is, to mobilize people, but they are not. and zaluzhnyi also said that it should be returned the process of mobilization for the framework in which it works. i mentioned earlier, because currently the guys who are fighting on the front lines have to be replaced by someone, and the other day the head of the gur kyrylo budanov also stated that the needs of the armed forces in terms of personnel cannot be covered

at the expense of... recruiting, actually recruiting is one of the let's say, the proposals in the new law, which is currently being developed within the framework of a fundamentally different approach to mobilization, what can you say about it, what do you think, can recruiting still or replace or supplement the mobilization process? well, i've already said all about it, including on your channel, about how they both said it, and it was so quite resonant. first of all, i am talking about the mobilization itself, i said that it was failed after the dismissal of the military commissars, i am not evaluating their professionals, whether they are professionals or not, i simply said that it was failed, which means that after them came those who could not even keep the mobilization at the level it was, for me this is a politically incorrect decision, i am about i have already expressed this, and i can say it again, political decisions sometimes have a very negative impact when they are ill-considered when in...

let's say, the military gets mixed up. as for recruiting, i also said that it can be one of the parts that can complement the general mobilization, there can be more professional people there who don't want to go now, and we will attract them and give them a specific direction, let's say, which they would like where they wanted to work, but with the number here really, i was talking about it, that the general mobilization will still remain the main thing. the main way of equipping our units. mr. colonel, well , i can't help asking you about the news from your wonderful strategic committee, so fedir venislavskyi is no longer the president's representative in the verkhovna rada, maryana bezugla, so to speak, received a slight, so to speak, verbal warning, yes, as far as we understand that people's deputies' appeals regarding certain rotations in your committee related to her person do not take place, maybe i'm wrong, share, be kind, some news from

this direction. i will say that after all these , let's say, statements, her statements, we didn't just have a committee yet, and there are statements or resolutions of our committee members, they have not yet been considered offline, there was online, we considered one of bills, but there has been nothing yet, many colleagues are outraged by what is happening, but i think that there will be some discussions in the nearest... committees, if there are any, and then i will be able to tell you something more specific, ugh, they heard and 30 seconds, literally , again, about the narcissist, she wrote on her facebook that she proposes to provide for the conscription of women to serve not only in the armed forces, but also in defense enterprises, you have 30 seconds, well, 40 seconds to react, well, everyone takes it so seriously, well, we have 4,950 deputies and everyone can offer something of their own to the committee of such

proposals. no, there is one person who suggests it, i don't suggest it, and there are 19 of my colleagues who don't suggest it either, 450 maybe something else, someone suggests praying, someone over there, i don't know, suggests giving up, that's why you need to approach here, these are her statements , ask her what she wants to call someone there, and why is she so active, we read facebook endlessly, why is she so actively focused on the person of the head committee, well , because you are reading, that is why she and emphasizes don't read it, she won't emphasize, they heard roman kosenko, people's deputy of ukraine, secretary of the verkhovna rada committee on national security, defense and intelligence, colonel of the armed sbu, sorry, he was in touch with us, but antin and i are already talking today see you tomorrow in this one we will see each other in the studio, and we will pass the baton of the information marathon to our colleagues, so wait for them and tomorrow antin and i will be in this studio at the same time, we will have

new guests, interesting topics, so... stay with us and all the best for today we say goodbye to you. greetings to all viewers. the press is with you, annaeva melnyk and the news team are ready to talk about the most relevant events at the moment. the russian army is putting more and more pressure on avdiivka. the enemy is trying to surround the city from all sides, using more directions for assaults. this was reported by the head of the city's military administration, vitaliy barabash. he added that there are hundreds of shellings per day on the front line nearby, about 50 masks in avdiivka itself.