but in the case of kmis, everything is honest, everything is clean , the rating is published, it is about trust, and therefore it is absolutely logical that there is a falsehood, you now clarify to our tv viewers that this is the rating that was used in the material of the online publication ukranian pravda, it is closed closed the sociology of the rating was , i understand correctly, well, not there, by the way, not so much in the material of ukrainian truth, the first this rating was published by channels close to the president's office, there was a note that this rating was conducted by the rating, done. rating yes, but i still don't saw, by the way, i really didn’t check for two days, but i didn’t see the results of this survey on the official website of the rating, for example, with kmis the situation is simpler, they went the very right way, they made a trust rating, which is logical, since we don’t say now it's about the elections, and the numbers there are of course , well, they are indicative enough, the fact that it coincided , you know, with history, with a possible wiretapping, well , it seems to me that we can talk about certain such, you know, interesting, interesting coincidences. especially since the story,

for example, is about, again, about what it is some old maid, which was left there by the former owners and so on, was distributed not by representatives, not by representatives of law enforcement there or special bodies, but by the advisor of the president's office, mr. leshchenko, yes, he wrote that it was some old maid there, well, old maid, which was there, which remained and so on, on the other hand, the representative of the guru, mr. yusav, he said that it was most likely done by the enemies, and they will investigate in great detail. this situation, so we, you know, it doesn't even matter, no matter how strange it sounds, from where in fact, this wiretapping started, why, because today it has become a factor to some extent, well, politics, by and large our domestic politics, for some time it will still be in the public space, maybe then there will be a decline, but everything will depend on , what the inspection will establish, what conclusions will be drawn, where did that servant really come from, well actually, mr. volodymyr, i wanted to ask you everything that will happen around the servant? and all

the information that will appear in the public space, well, i don't know, because any any fact from his life, there, from his actions , from which, from his environment, will become the subject of careful attention, because, as there, a high rating of trust requires from the one who is trusted, well, in accordance with some kind, that is, that , no matter what, it will all be considered. in the context of future political activity, it is necessary, do i understand correctly? no, well, it can be considered, here everything depends on the person who is willing, if he goes into politics, then it will be exactly like this, while this is waiting, waiting, first of all, of those people who do not want to see zelensky president and want to see an alternative. today, the only possible alternative is tinned. by the way, it is very noticeable, here you are.

was quoted, i looked carefully at this information that 59, 59% of people simultaneously trust the dependent, the zalensky, and the industrious. by the way, back when this whole story was just beginning, i immediately said that this is exactly the situation, they trust at the same time, and therefore these figures cannot be contrasted, because on this, let's say, the duet's internal unity is based on this, but here is what is interesting, among those who do not trust. means in among those who there trusts zelensky, only 1% trusts only zelensky, only zelensky and there, does not trust zaluzhnyi, only 1%, yes, that is, let’s say this, a certain problem for the presidential team, zaluzhnyi, on the contrary, has a big gap, 15% respondents who do not trust zelenskyi, they trust only... zaluzhnyi do not trust zelenskyi,

only 1% of zelenskyi do not trust zaluzhnyi, but trust only zelenskyi, but in this case it is important not to contrast these figures now, but to keep their unity i am a principled opponent of this competition now, the fact that trust ratings have appeared, i agree, yes, there were none, by the way, regarding the decrease in trust ratings, i will tell you, this is a general trend that applies not only to zelensky, the only exception - armed forces of ukraine. and zaluzhnyi, because the distrust rating is low, but the attitude towards him is generally positive, because he represents the armed forces of ukraine, so if in the future , a more serious, let’s say, zaluzhnyi appearance, publication, people will see him as a real person, he will make a statement, today, by the way, he made... one

ambiguous and in my opinion contradictory statement, yes, then the attitude may change, but while the war is going on, i think that one way or another he will objectively remain a symbol of weapons. strength and a symbol of trust. thank you, mr. volodymyr. mr. viktor, who is trying to oppose zaluzhny and zelenskyi, well, that is, not the journalists from the press, there, no, not the presenter serhiy rudenko, and no, those people who are discussing this topic. that is, we have it all the time these topics are brought up, and these are people who are members of the pro-government party, the same mariyana bezugla, the same david rahamia, that is, they, they do it for that. to push or , let's say, to do everything to push , it is necessary, to push into politics, but this pushing, it always ends with the fact that the one who is pushed will definitely go even higher, so it was with yushchenko in the

in 2000, that was the case with zelensky, when he was not there either, well, he was only in the ratings, and he was simply rated by everyone they thought, well, probably... they were looking for a new macron , well, yes, if it’s more correct to say, but they found holobodok, that is, anyway, someone is already taking and pushing him, who is it, i proceed from the fact that in my analysis from the fact that the environment of president zelensky very much wants to retain power in the future, and they build their policy absolutely based on... only this paradigm, that is, retention, multiplication of power and , most importantly, its continuation in time, for some period, preferably for a long time, yes, that is why we and you once they talked about the fact that if president zelensky gets a second term, then later they will make a parliamentary republic,

parliamentary so that he, as prime minister, can rule the country there for another 100-500 years, and from this point of view, look for who benefits. who wants to collect incriminating information on zaluzhnyi, who pushes such torpedoes as maryana without an angle to the conflict, who wants to spread it, and actually who uses a variety of methods, but the main method, the method of managing them, is the method of managing through zelensky's management, which is absolutely, well, classic. a chrystomatic narcissist who needs to be told only that he likes it, but now they will say , look, volodymyr oleksandrovich, 88% and 64, this is already the end, the beginning of the end, so the hard-working people need to do something, that's why they need

to listen, see what he breathes, if only, but this is patriotic , this is so that our generals, so that we know that our generals are at the right combat post and on the right path, somewhere... everything happens in such realities, yes, and from this, from this we have, well, at least i recoil from it, yes, when i analyze what is happening up there, yes, in kyiv, there is an office of the president who wants to continue in power, for this he needs to make a quarrel between zelenskyi and zelensky, and for this he needs them, well, they are a union. those who speak in principle, well , you won’t get anywhere anyway, you will give us weapons, and therefore i am absolutely sure that the closer the victory is, the greater the probability that the valiant will be removed, and thus they will push him into politics, that is why what are they, i'd say their

instinct for self-preservation is now lower than their instinct for preserving their power, well… it is clear that president zelensky himself at one time wanted to be the president of peace, he spoke about the fact that i want to end the war in donbas , and with this slogan he went to the presidential elections. then he became the president of the war because he simply had no other way out. february 24, 22, how to become a war president. now it is obvious that president zelensky wants to become the president of victory, and this is a completely normal phenomenon for the leader of the state, who is at war, who heads the state. mr. igor. in your opinion, this is a misunderstanding, this issue is so political around the military, how will it affect the situation in the armed forces in general, because people who are at the front are already watching this, and western partners are watching it, and obviously tomorrow or

the day after tomorrow, all the leading media of the world will write about these bugs that have been found, that there are certain misunderstandings, we know that this wave has already been. now we are returning to this wave again, because there is an informational excuse, well, it has a very negative effect, we already have publications in the western media today, which pay attention to it. confrontation, and recent publications precisely through the prism of servicemen of our armed forces, that they do not like this story at all, they are disappointed, they do not understand what is happening, they feel a lack of trust and the support that they, in principle, previously counted on, and it is understandable , that all this internal torture and these games in politics, well , they are absolutely unnecessary today, that is, by and large, you should be engaged in completely different things, and not think about... any political prospects, or to be measured by ratings there, you understand, we do not know how we will get through the whole winter, winter

has just begun, and what will be the situation there with the energy infrastructure and so on, so it may be that after the winter the ratings of many politicians in general will leave something to be desired better, but this is not a reason to start making some excuses to your hypothetical opponents, or to try to knock them out of the future politically. activity, here, by the way, there is such an interesting feature, you know, we talk a lot about some political prospects of a person working there, but it must be understood that if he now even hints at the possibility of going into politics there or engaging in some political affairs, then he seems to me to be at the start of his hypothetical political career and will immediately bury it, because in reality ukrainians now they expect something completely different from him, by the way, they also expect something completely different from the president of ukraine, the attitude has... changed, the requests have changed, and this is clearly visible from this trust rating, and i would like

to believe that, by the way, tomorrow during the press conference the president will be asked real questions that concern ukrainians, and he will give detailed and detailed answers to them, because today was basically as strange as it was for me or yesterday, well, i am today i just read the statement of mr. podalyak, who admitted in fact, well, not a failure, but major shortcomings of the government's information policy and in principle. he admitted that something should be done about it, but the president will have a great opportunity to fix everything tomorrow, well, let's see what exactly he will say, how exactly he will will speak, if he starts talking about generals playing politics again, well, then we regretfully have to state that we are in a very difficult situation, since the greater danger for us will be not so much the external enemy as these internal disputes, which will not lead to good, they cannot be, you know, some kind of radical, but they should not be like that either, because the general background. which is being formed, well, it clearly does not contribute to the moral stability

of society in general, there are some polls, which are held, including by individual people 's deputies, they do not contribute to the moral stability of society, especially since in our country votes are really important, and the same law on mobilization, it is new in itself, can become a very serious trigger, and it is necessary approach him in unity, not divided, and when everyone is thinking about their future political career, you are right, mr. igor, because... people expect victory from zaluzhny and zelensky, and that is the most important thing, that is, success at the front and the victories of ukraine, and whether this one will be the victory and in what perspective depends on the political prospects of both zaluzhny and zelenskyi. mr. volodymyr, if you were to advise zelenskyi in this situation, what would you tell him, how could he explain or say that there is no conflict with the tyrant, that there is none. no questions that, well, absolutely what we are all waiting for, when he says

that valery fedorovich and i are one team, and we are going to victory together. no, well, i think that they are waiting for this, and i think that they are waiting for the appearance of them together, common photo, at least, the first step was taken recently, when umerov, the minister of defense, appeared together with zaluzhny and syrsky, and there was a joint photo. to which their unity was demonstrated and umirov's statement that the issue of zaluzhnyi's release is not under consideration, it was the right step, and i think that the next step should be, yes, maybe, i would even possibly advise a joint press conference of president zaluzhnyi , yes, why not, yes, especially in matters of mobilization, because there cannot be opposition here, and i, by the way, do not a supporter of... the idealization of the soviet system of military commanders and former military personnel,

but we really need it, and i completely agree with igor, now there should be unity in matters of mobilization, effective mobilization, and both zelensky and zaluzhny should advocate for a new model of mobilization at the same time, regarding concrete actions, i think that now it is necessary to open up more, i am reading now a publication has appeared in politika, we need a government of people's trust, a broad coalition government, i, by the way, am an opponent, we need a non- political, technocratic government, because if there will be politicians, by the way, do you know who has the highest ratings? confidence in the parliamentary leaders of the opposition, in all of them, yes , boyko and yulia tymoshenko are in the first places , petro oleksiiovych is a little behind, but also more than 70% of distrust, so it will not give anything such a broad coalition government trust, cooperation with civil society is more

openness , removing toxic figures from power, this is important. yes, and an unconditional demonstration of joint work with zaluzhny, with the cabinet of ministers, by the way, there are a number of serious powerful figures who actively worked on the european integration of ukraine, thank you, mr. volodymyr, gentlemen, we have to go to a small commercial, after a minute we will return to the studio, a feeling of tingling and crawling. arise spontaneously and disturb you. the doolgit antineuralgia complex helps to normalize the functioning of the nervous system. dolgit antineuralgia helps to return to usual activities without tingling and numbness in the limbs. capsules dolgit antineuralgia - help to your nervous system. try flebodia 600. pink french pills for acute hemorrhoids.

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youtube and facebook platforms. for those who are currently watching us on these platforms, please do. like this video, don't be stingy, support our content to promote it on youtube and facebook, and also participate in our vote, today we ask you this, do you think the current system of mobilization is fair? yes, no, if you think the current mobilization system is fair, call 0800 211 3801, if not, 0800 211 382, ​​all calls to these numbers are free. at the end of the program, we will sum up the results of this vote. ihor reiterovych, volodymyr fisenko and viktor boberenko are in our virtual studio today. we also talk about the situation surrounding the bugs that were found under the table in the office where

valery zaluzhnyi was supposed to work as the head of the armed forces of ukraine, but we will also talk very briefly about our movement towards the european union and... the movement of the european union towards ukraine, because today was the 12th package of eu sanctions was finally adopted, austria was against 14-15 when the summit of the leaders of the european union took place, and after that, ukraine itself took raifizen bank, a bank owned by austrian investors, from the list of those enterprises against which there were sanctions. after that, this 12th package of sanctions against russia was adopted. what kind of package is this, these are restrictions that include a ban on the import of russian diamonds, the transit of goods or. through the russian federation and the export of components that can contribute to the technological improvement of the defense of the russian federation. mr. igor, we see how the european union technically, actually adopted it

the decision to start negotiations with ukraine. orban technically played along in this situation as the leader of the european union, and it was understandable. there is complete hysteria in russia, what happened to orban, why was he bought, or something. it happened to him, why did he leave when it was voted on. how do you assess our current start of the negotiation process, considering the fact that we will have to hold negotiations with the leaders, or with the countries, with 207 countries of the european union. well, in any case, it will be a long enough process, we must understand it, and now, except for this one of the political part, which will begin in march , when we will complete some more reforms, in particular , we will adopt the law on lobbying and advocacy, which will now be considered by the verkhovna rada, a document will be formed, according to which we will start the process of this integration, we will have to create , as it once was in

poland, that is, take, for example, the experience of poland or some other country that has integrated into the european union, a very large, very powerful group of professional negotiators, lobbyists, if you can say so, of ukraine, which will communicate with individual countries, communicate in parallel with the ministry. there, the ukrainian departments should do everything so that we can, well, have sufficient arguments for, well, each individual country, so that this country does not then directly oppose the european integration of ukraine, because you understand, this phrase of orban about 75 opportunities to block the european integration of ukraine, it well, it has a certain basis, that is, really hungary, like any other country, can do it, they can find it possible. in order to to block our further european integration aspirations, that is why we need to work very actively here and understand that this is a very tedious, very bureaucratic, complex, but necessary

business, and in this case, by the way, we mentioned when we were there about the government of technocrats or about the government of national unity, these negotiators should be people who have relevant experience, we should not look at their political preferences or their party affiliation, they should be people who have relevant connections. in to some or other countries that can represent ukraine very well there, that's why we are only at the beginning of the long road, let 's hope that this road will not, you know, be overshadowed to some extent by some of our internal disputes, and the adoption of important european integration decisions, which , unfortunately, were often accepted by tradition , for example, not in such a format as it was required, and then it was necessary to re-vote, we cannot afford this today, why, because the price of a mistake will be. .. very high and attention to in fact, the chain is very serious. thank you, mr. viktor, does this mean that the european union's decision to start negotiations with ukraine means that

, in principle, the european union made it clear to putin that ukraine is a part of the european space, and not a part of the post-soviet space, which putin is counting on and which putin is counting on considers its territory, to which it spreads. well, let's say this, influence, is it clearly understood already and is it clearly understood? of course, this is a signal to putin as well, it may also be a signal somewhere to the united states, it is a signal to ukraine, yes, what ukraine is part of europe, but this is also a signal to themselves, i think that their elites are already beginning to realize, including because of the fear that trump may come there. support from the usa will decrease, well, i personally believe that this is not the case, but nevertheless such fears are widespread in the societies of various countries, and yes, the european union primarily

says for itself that ukraine is for its own establishment, let's say about united for its peoples, nations, he says ukraine is part of europe, why, because if this is not will be of this umbrella from the united states in the form of nato and, well, in general, such a village as the united states, that trump can deviate from politics there, that the united states protects europe, then europe remains alone against russia, and without ukraine, as without the army , which can actually fight with the russian army, they are afraid, and that is why for them i think that it is an argument an argument, that is, this message was sent to all sides, but most of all probably to themselves, and as for communication, then yes. we have

a big problem with communications, starting with the fact that we have people who are used to the fact that some people go to diplomatic events in suits, and the kuleba walks the hell in jeans and sneakers, well, okay, zelensky already has such an image and image there, but so that everyone comes in sneakers and walks, well, i think that it starts with this, it is so , very very briefly, in general, i think that it is necessary not to go there... yes, it is necessary that the kobolivs go there, and lana zerkal there, if they do not i would like poroshenko to go, but most of all i think that it is necessary for e shklyar, zhadan, zabushko to go, cockatoo, so that writers , poets, cultural figures would travel, and most importantly, why , so that vitaliy klitschko would go there , speak to the germans, and most importantly, that community leaders would go, someone from our youth group,

would go to the polish commune and there... told why europeans should love ukraine, and told about our cases, about everything, and only then this shuttle diplomacy, it will be worth more than the diplomacy of diplomats, thank you, mr. volodymyr, well, i there 's a lot to argue about, cultural figures are traveling, zhadan is actively working in europe, and i think that it is necessary to work, but these are not negotiations with the european union, negotiations with the european union should... be conducted by competent people, by the way, the office of the vice prime minister for of european integration, a huge amount of work, and they continue to do this work, some professional associations are already doing such work, our agrarians, in particular, opened an office there, i agree with igor that yes, it is a large bureaucratic amount of work, there are a lot of conflicting interests in us, now we see we are with the poles both in the agricultural market and

in the transport market, and... there are still contradictions in the metallurgical market, there in the field of poultry farming, and in many areas, yes, they fear us as competitors, and therefore a professional approach is needed, communicators must be , but communicators for conducting negotiations with the european union is one thing, and promoting our political, communicative interests is another, regarding vitaliy klitschko, he did a bad job with his interview, i know this simply from personal communication on... with foreign , in particular with german ones journalists, yes, and now these problems have to be corrected, that is why i think that we should speak with one voice abroad, and not argue among ourselves abroad and write complaints about each other abroad, thank you, gentlemen, we should finish our conversation, thank you thank you for the conversation, ihor reitarovych, volodymyr fisenko and viktor boberenko were guests of our program today, thank you, and let me remind you that during

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