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wanted to listen to zaluzhnyi, what is wrong with the mobilization in ukraine and why the people deputies make up their mandates en masse. my name is vlasta lazur. let's start. the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine, valery zaluzhny, confirmed the information about the discovered servant in his office. the device was found in the premises where zaluzhny was supposed to move this morning, that is until now. today, zaluzhnyi did not work in this office, he told about this in the comments of rbc. he added that the investigation will determine the circumstances of the incident. the day before, the rbc edition, citing the words of a source in military circles, reported that they had been discovered devices for reading information, allegedly made of elements of an unknown sample, which does not allow to identify the person who installed them. whether it is really impossible to establish, we will now talk about it in detail, as well as about who it is beneficial to listen to. by the way

, but first, direct speech for luzhny: this is the room that i had to use today, in it yesterday during the inspection, that is, it is not your permanent one, and we understand it that way, there are simply several cities where i work and in one of them it is it turns out, i haven't been there for a long time, but they checked it, and this maybe it's not only me, it's there, i'm sorry, but it could mean that in the general staff itself, that is, there must have been someone, who? from the bottom of our hearts, we haven't been working for a long time, yes, how do you consider it, and not at all, like a war, that is, it is one of the aspects of waging war, cool, anything can happen, the investigation will prove that it was the office where you were supposed to move today and at 7 o'clock in the morning i had to go there, well, of course i did, well, after that i did, and before that the premises had not been used for a long time, that is, could such information, which is a state secret, be voiced there, well, i...

i don’t think that, well, these premises had been used before, well, such an interruption was quite significant, so it just happened before me, and after a listening device was found in the office of the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of the ukrainian armed forces valery zaluzhny, the security service violated a criminal the case under the article on the illegal acquisition of sales or use of special technical means, the sbu also stated that they did not discover any and all means of accumulating information or means of remote transmission of information, and that the device itself was in a non-working condition, allegedly. according to sources of ukrainian truth in the special service, the device was found on the eve of december 17 during an inspection of the office, to which, as valery zaluzhny himself said, he was going to move. sources of the publication also reported that listening devices were found in several of the subordinates of the employee. at the same time, former deputy minister of defense of ukraine, hanna mal'. commenting on

the wiretapping report, she stated that she did not see the point in it, i.e. the point in being a maid, because when communicating, the military allegedly always takes into account the possibility of information leakage. joining our broadcast is viktor yagun, reserve major general of the security service of ukraine. good evening. good evening. did it come as a surprise to you that during the full-scale war of the ukrainian head of state , someone was listening or intended to listen. to speak, intended, that's one thing, and secondly, a device that could possibly listen, because as far as i know, there were no means, not only of recording, but also of power cells, that is, it was an imitation of a device that could possibly was laid for some other actions, not for recording, i don't know, there for provocation. for

provocations, and who is profitable then to provoke the industrious in this way? well, for some reason it seems to me that this is one of those elements, to listen to some thing or. to get some secret information while they are sitting there is impossible a priori, why, because there is special equipment that blocks any recording and video devices in the room where people of this level work, this is one, secondly, you you yourself understand that a check is carried out before any meeting and they found this device actually before he came in, that is, so that someone planted the device, he came and held some kind of meeting, well, this is impossible, this, this is a violation of protocol, that is, what, what was this person or persons hoping for did, i don’t really understand, eh , who understands how it is carried out,

it is definitely either a dilettante who does not understand what is really happening there, which i do not believe, or people who understood why they it is necessary, and it is necessary for vice. provocation is very simple, sometime after some time will try to throw out some audio recordings made with the help of artificial intelligence with a voice similar to a tinkerer, which will once again raise the same topic, stir up this dull topic regarding the confrontation between the military and civilian authorities in ukraine, who benefits, well, i don’t know, probably the enemy, let let him figure it out... okay, let's suppose , for example, that indeed, as you say, a provocation or an attempt at provocation could have taken place, well, then it means that someone, somewhere in the sbu or in the special services, got access to the office the head of the future cabinet, and was able

to turn around this provocation, and who has such access in the country, i don’t know, this morning i spoke with former and current secret service agents, they say that in principle it is possible to... perform similar work there to conduct wiretapping or whether perhaps, as you say, provocations, such powers and opportunities, tools are exclusive to the security services of ukraine, or at least to people who were previously connected to this service or are now connected, what do you say, who is behind this could physically stand? look, any technique that is used in the security service, it is normal, and it is recorded for that employee and for that unit. who uses it in the same period , that is, if the investigation is carried out now and it turns out that this is special equipment, which, by the way, is manufactured in a special institute, and not bought somewhere on express or on aliexpress, even if some elements

are bought , then they are still processed, stitched and numbered, according to the requirements of the laws, that is, i just serve without... security, well, i don't know if someone will take some kind of extraordinary responsibility, but the security service is investigating, this is the competence of the security service , according to the criminal procedure code, it is both a prerogative, and indeed the security service has the exclusive right to carry out such measures in ukraine, that is why it carries out such, well , investigates, if there is a violation, so i think it should be understood that access to such premises has an extremely limited circle of persons, and among persons who are surrounded by her the commander-in-chief, there are security service officers who are officially put in there to communicate between the security service and

the commander-in-chief, because there is a war and you need to coordinate your actions, these are officials, and i don't think they will take over responsibility, there is something else under the hood... undercover, eavesdropping, so i think, most likely, that these are outsiders who may be walking in a circle around those persons who have access to this room, but i emphasize once again, this the circle is very, very limited, and it is recording of those who can enter and leave there, there is a protocol for checking such premises, that is, it is possible to understand in what period it was there, well, this equipment ended up there, so the investigation. i think it should come out if there is an unbiased investigation, i think that it will be up to the investigators to determine whose it is, whose technique it is , or its origin, whether it is just an imitation technique, but let me quote that writes rbc, they

refer to an unnamed source in military circles, and this source told them that devices for reading information were discovered supposedly made of elements from the unknown. sample and it does not allow to identify the person who installed them, are there really such devices that do not allow to identify the person who installed them, well, if they were bought on aliexpress, then how are they? you can install them, they are quite common, you can buy them, this is prohibited by our legislation, but if you set yourself the goal of bringing such things, then why can’t you bring them, they are not not very , not very compact, well, they are compact, not very big, so you can order somewhere abroad and lead, as a rule, by this, well, at one time, even before active hostilities, all kinds of so-called detectives sinned. there are security firms, which actually came into the field of view of the security services, for their illegal

activities on on on this, well, against this background, so we have to see what, we don't know what kind of equipment, we, we, we don't do anything we know, we hope that there will be an investigation, you, by the way, how long do you think this investigation can last, well, the examinations are underway, the examinations will take at least a month, so we need to gather patience, so simple fast. no one will say anything, uh, eh, but allow me, i will generalize , summarize, if i understood you correctly, that this wiretapping could have been established either by a person who is in the closest circle of the headmaster , who has access to these premises, or simply these people, and maybe the representatives of the security service, who are supposed to monitor the security itself, did not take care of something and someone could be an outsider there, not long ago there were several versions of other other outsiders, i am very concerned about outsiders in general

i doubt it, because the limited circle, you understand, from the commander-in-chief to the technical staff who clean the premises, this circle does not exceed 10 people, so it is so easy to say that there is a passage yard, i deeply doubt it, listen, well, to some extent, is it not a sentence to the state and the special services, to a state that is in a state of full-scale war and... the head of the army of this state, he has some kind of listening device in his office, well, this is to some extent a sentence to the special services, or am i wrong, or is it too much loud? listen, the verdict is if the information gets to the enemy and we hear about it, and there are significant consequences for the state, and if in the process of carrying out their professional actions the device is discovered before it could be used, then there is nothing extraordinary , on the contrary now ... they will conduct an investigation , improve the security system, that

is, nothing extraordinary happened, you know, it is the same system, when they ask me, it is a failure, if the agent was found in the security service , it is on the contrary a plus, because they found this agent, they didn't let him work there were not allowed to use their capabilities to harm ukraine, this is the same system as how to determine the effectiveness of the special services. countries on the territory of the state, which is very simple, we do not have large-scale sabotage, i don’t know, undermining enterprises, derailment of trains in contrast to russia, by the way, so the effectiveness of the activities of the special services is very difficult to determine, but including in because they do something and discover something, there is also such a question that i see exists in the information space. actually, who could be behind it by eavesdropping, or by provocation , and such a version is possible, that is, either someone from

russia is there, or, relatively speaking, people in russia who hope to get some information about the war plan, or there is such a version, and whether they could, it could not happen against the background of conflict , non-conflict, misunderstanding, i don't know how to call it, what the media writes about between zelensky and zaluzhny, because it's no secret that one way or another, the sbu is politically dependent. and whether the sbu could simply carry out, for example, someone's political mandate and listen head, do you allow such a thing, i don’t allow it, it’s nonsense , to come out, come out during the investigation on your own, well, you understand, if they, if someone is guarding you, then you can do everything so that no one will find you, and if they do , well somehow yes, well, a little bit not this one, it doesn't match. if, if someone wanted to listen, he would have listened a long time ago, but he definitely wouldn't have caught it. ugh. in the interests

of the state, do you think it would be worth making the results of the investigation public or not? you know, i was generally shocked about such things, about her, about this situation it became known so quickly, and therefore he immediately said that, most likely, due to the fact that it became known, this is an element of preparation for some kind of provocation. because, if everything is done correctly, then no one should have known anything about such things, and now our enemy is actively using all this, you know, there, relishing the details, telling how everything is bad in us, that is, everything... you have to look at it with under the prism of who benefits from it, first of all, at this stage, perhaps there are such beneficiaries of this benefit in ukraine as well, but in the vast majority so far this was used in russia. thank you very much for your comment. viktor yagun, reserve major general of the security service of ukraine, was on radio liberty,

we were talking about listening devices that were found in the office where valery zaluzhny was supposed to move to work. thank you. ukraine faces difficult decisions regarding mobilization, writes zaeconomist. russia is suffering heavy losses at the front, but its mobilization resources are many times higher than ukraine's - the publication notes. meanwhile, ukraine is facing problems recruiting new recruits to the ranks of the vzu desperately trying to close their front line against new russian attacks. the military leadership, striving for... places in the army , resort to raids in gyms, shopping centers, the publication states, and kiev has difficult decisions ahead, predicts for the economist and adds: aware of this problem, the ministry of defense of ukraine has started work on a new mobilization strategy , well, i will remind you that this strategy includes recruiting, with the help of which ukrainians will be able to perform work and use

civilian experience in the interests of the army. just today, valery zaluch also spoke on this topic. he stated that it is still too early to evaluate the new recruitment project for the armed forces of ukraine, in matters of mobilization it is necessary to return, i will quote literally, the existing framework. well, it's still a little early to evaluate recruiting, a little early. and as for mobilization issues, well, it is not something that needs to be strengthened, but returned to those limits, to the framework of how they worked before, because now it is , let's say this, those guys who are fighting on the front line, their someone should replace them someone has to help, and they are now, well, over time he remains on his own, which is completely wrong, so he simply needs to be returned to the framework in which it was, in which it worked before, to the question of how the release of the regional military committees affected on the effectiveness of mobilization, the head noted

that they were supposedly professionals, they knew how to do it, i would say that this is a somewhat resonant statement in... bearing in mind that the president ordered the dismissal of military commissars at one time against the background of numerous corruption scandals, does this mean , that the head does not agree with the decision of the president, the question, and we will talk about it in detail now, here is what taras sechmut, the chairman of the board of the come back alive fund, said about the mobilization in ukraine, we recorded a long interview with him, listen, and then we will discuss what about mobilization in ukraine, i am talking about whether it should be reformed at the root or in the current conditions the existing mechanism of mobilization can be acceptable, well, if the one that is currently working, then there would be no problem if we we talk about it as a problem, then something is going on not so, accordingly, something needs to be changed, and certainly not just changing the names

of officials, as has already been done several times, this is a very big challenge for the state, and to some extent whether we cope with this challenge depends on will we win this war why do you think that ukrainians now need to be convinced of the need for mobilization, and we will never see the queues again, under the military uniforms that we saw in february, never say never, never agree, let's see what will happen in the spring, summer, there are many different reasons, here there is no simple answer here... reality, it is what it is, there is a problem, obviously, everyone knows about it , something must be done about them, the state is trying to do something, good, bad, as it turns out, and sometimes to implement some changes, no matter how cool they are, no matter how they are created, it all breaks down into the harsh reality

of performers, some regulations, by-laws, regulators, democracy including... and so on and so forth, and as a result good initiatives may not be implemented, well , it's just that the state system of the country is such that it is makes something impossible, in general, the system is always trained to return to some state of equilibrium, and when you start to shake it, it resists with all possible means and tries to go back, so we now see... very, very qualitatively this is in the field of military education, where we are trying to transform it to an adequate and real one together with the military training institute. needs, through the school of captains, through other courses, and we see the total resistance of the state, individual officials, the system as such to this, and this despite the fact that now on

in the west, they are talking about the need to ukrainize nato, i.e. more modernized training for the military, well, this is a bit of a completely different matter, we are talking about the fact that we have a big war that requires a massive number of people, well... fast and a lot, that is there is a mobilization that began on february 24, it continues there, tens, hundreds of thousands of people, in a short period of time, they need to be trained, different from a soldier-sailor to the commander of a detachment, a platoon of a battalion company, an increase in the number of units, positions, the transformation of equipment, tactics, it all requires, well, speed and massiveness, and... if earlier you trained there 10,000 people a month, well, not a month, let it be there, i don’t know, in how much time, now you need 100,000, and the quality

drops, you need to increase the quality, on the contrary, you cannot prepare for a year, because you do not have that time, you have to prepare essentially, but you have to prepare enough so that a person can complete the task and save his life, because his life for their lives are many times more valuable to ukrainians than to russians, because it is simple for them. is who change, we simply have no one to change, if we scatter people like them, and in some places it happens, then unfortunately, we will simply mathematically end. you can watch the full interview with taras chmut on radio liberty's youtube channel. well, just now oleksiy hetman, military analyst, veteran of the russian-ukrainian war, is joining our broadcast. good evening, oleksiy. good evening. you see, we are raising this topic again, but it is important and always relevant, but zaluzhnyi says that mobilization should be returned to those the framework, as it was before, maybe i, a person

not familiar with the army, did not understand his words, how to understand it, to return it to the framework, as it was before, maybe you can translate for us, well, it is also difficult, just like the wounds, like before , well, you know, it's very voluminous, like before, when... before, when 24.02.22 in the first days of mobilization, when there were a lot of volunteers, uh, you know, sometimes a person, when he says some kind, expresses some thesis, he understands in what context he has it, that is, he has a rosary in his head, and he says, and we can't help but grasp this thread and not understand exactly what he meant, well, in any case, if he says that it must be returned to ... before, well, it means that something from mobilization is not happening as it should be, and something needs to be changed, most likely, it is about the fact that

the quality of mobilization needs to be changed, there should be more people, people should be mobilized, well , there was even such an assumption by one people's deputy , that there is a need to mobilize 20 thousand every month, this information has not been confirmed by anyone, but yes... it was officially said, judging by everything, if this is it, if the commander says so, most likely this is the number that he needs, i am not talking now about 20 thousand directly, which means that something must, must be changed, we know that now there must be a law, at least a law on mobilization, which will prescribe the already clearly prescribed powers of the military committees, let's say so that they are remembered, well , better understood, who they are, what rights they have, what they have, well, duties we understand how to deal with people who want to evade

the draft, that is, it should be, it should be on at the legislative level, because there are many initiatives, it can be understood that people, especially those who have already gone through the war and now work in these centers, that they understand how much they need a replacement. people who are currently serving in the military, so they can, well, from the point of view of correctness, take some actions, but these actions may not be within the limits of the legislation, so you just need to set certain legislative frameworks and then people will have clear , clear functions, clear actions. but let's talk about oleksiy about the military committees, well, today zaluzhnyi was asked how to get rid of him these regional provincial committees were influenced by... i

am interpreting his answer incorrectly, because before that there were also such statements in the media that they said that these people were corrupt, well , not all of them, but some of them, but at least they knew how to do this, but now they were released and now the mobilization is, so to speak, not fulfilling the plan, well, luzhny said about it, or i don’t understand, well, you can hope so, you know, joint responsibility is not supposed to work here, it’s not very well, because i am sure that among... these people, except for this military commissar from odessa, who is vila in spain, he has a lot of cars there, well, a lot of interesting things about him, they found, that is, there are some very crazy amounts, it is even difficult to understand how he managed to accumulate so much, there are millions of dollars, well, our colleagues, our colleagues in in odesa, they say that white tickets cost about 500 dollars per ticket, so maybe this is the answer to your question, well then, if... that's

what the odesa journalists we talked to say, well then i don't know, well, it should be so complicated 300-400 people, half a thousand people, well, i don't understand how many there are in general, there may not be so many people there to be involved in this, well, maybe you know, well, this is it, investigative actions are underway, i think that this person will be responsible... as it pleases, and those things that are confiscated from him, they will go to the needs of the armed forces. 100% that among all the military commissars there were people who professionally performed , let's put it, let's think about how people saw it, those military commissars, those groups that worked there, we understand that a military commissar is not in itself, it has certain certain subordinates, that is, it is a certain, well, team, let's say, you can say that clearly

performed all legal actions and there were no punctures in this mobilization, and here he is released for once, because in odesa, people are operational, you know, disappearances, i was, listen, i was a company commander for many years in the national guard, and we had, i am sure that there were line commanders in other units who... committed some crimes, so i should also be fired or reprimanded for everything there, so that someone in another unit from another in another part of ukraine did something offense, let's all commanders like to say, well, that's not how it's done , i think it was a desire, it was a good desire to do everything to improve mobilization, but let's not judge by, you know, how the song measures the work, so it

happened, right? not by what the actions were, but by whether they were good or not, what the results were, as they say, the score on the scoreboard, now the number of mobilized people after such a decision, it did not increase, well, this is the official statistics, it decreased, that is, it did not go to the benefit , and by the way, oleksiy, how do you feel about such forms of mobilization, which we see it on screens, in night clubs, in restaurants, in gyms. to shopping centers , i think it will be, after the law is passed, it will be a law, a law on mobilization, which will prescribe all, all possibilities, military committees together with the police, or to take certain actions independently, i think that such actions are their movements, they will become legal, because if a person, for example, goes to the gym and trains, if it is not cardio, some indicators, he goes there to undergo some rehabilitation, he does it to himself. beautiful figure

there he pulls iron and he can serve in the army , but for some reason he does not serve, because he can issue a summons, well, this is childish talk, i did not see a summons, well, as far as i have heard about how the law will be adopted, these are summonses that people they attach, well, to detain, for sure, that it is impossible not to have people in...