to the office of the president of ukraine, no one touches her, and no one says, listen, well, in a country that is at war, you can't do that to a general, to a combat general, and you can't do that, you can't make fun of a hard worker, how about you do you think that this kind of behavior, which looks like trolling, is actually the destruction of the military command, it is the bullying of the military command in... in the conditions of war, how do you interpret it? well, venislavsky touched her, he spoke publicly in the status of the president's representative in the verkhovna rada, and simply said about the fact that such people should be fired from this position, and it was not her who was fired, but he was fired literally on the second day, which tells me that it was not possible without the vice president, it's just...

well, the obvious, obvious thing is who can make such personnel decisions, and what's good is that we saw the statement of the minister of defense, who took a picture with the lieutenant, after the trip with the vice president, i'm talking about yarmak mockingly, washington, where you can see there were certain conversations, and then lyarov turned and said that no one is going to fire the hard worker and even took pictures. but i haven't seen the president's statement, and i haven't seen such a photo, where instead of umerov , the president would be standing with the helper and the president would say that everything is fine, there are no problems, that they are working and that's all, i don't like that saw, and this did not happen and does not happen, that is why the problem, the problem is serious, and this problem usually worries those who work. with us for victory, who,

i think today's visit, by the way, and and the deputy secretary of the united states, this will also be discussed, the importance of team unity, the importance of the non-interference policy of the military leader, and it should be mentioned that the pentagon is also sending its general here , who will be the coordinator and will work together with the general staff in order to in order to more closely coordinate military actions, then... that is, well, the world directly says that in order to achieve victory , you need to have professional power, you need to understand the risks of management, you need to understand the importance of military actions, and you need to demonstrate this unity, and not only in political relations, there is a political leadership, the military, but in general relations between political forces, because in ukraine sometimes it seems that the war is already over, that we are already starting there...

the election campaign, we we are clarifying some relations, we are fighting with the opposition there , nothing changes with freedom of speech, for some reason the marathon will not reach its end, which our western partners also openly tell us, it is good that the european union has now supported us at such a very important moment, but i imagine how many more problems we face after the start of negotiations with the european union, and for this we need... a very concerted work of the authorities, and the opposition, and civil society and the whole of ukraine. yes, actually, you have already stood up to the decision of the european union summit, the leaders of the european union about the beginning of changes in ukraine, or rather, the beginning of negotiations between the countries of the european union and ukraine, and of course, in this situation the most interesting role was the role of viktor orban, who went to the toilet somewhere or over coffee, and without him they voted by consensus. for the beginning of such

transition with ukraine, in russia, in russian media, russian propaganda all weekend just discussed this incident and they said that orban was bribed or tricked, or i don't know what was done to him there, that's what they said, it was very indicative, let's see how it was. as a result , orbán was sold in order to save budapest's face, scholz offers orbán. to leave the hall for coffee during the vote on ukraine's membership in the eu. orban leaves, the decision is taken by the remaining majority, 26 states, and hungary - twenty-seventh the country, according to the regulations, abstained due to the absence of a leader in the hall. upon his return, orban could have wiped out this decision, but he did not. now they gave this handout in the form of 10 billion, one decision was made, he went to

drink, now they will give 20 more . slightly less principled on this issue, he doesn't even hide it, he doesn't even hide it simply and... he's looking for money for his economy, well, in principle, it's hard to blame him for that. in europe is discussing orban, who was either bribed or persuaded to drink coffee while the leaders of european countries voted to start negotiations on ukraine's accession to the eu. i do not accept this explanation, i do not really understand it at all. what does it mean to vote when someone went out for a cup of coffee? that is, it turns out that there are no single rules, that is, well...

mr. oleg, we see how these are all russian nesting dolls in europe, orban and the foreign minister of austria, who did not vote for the 12th package of sanctions , and supported this 12th package of sanctions, because they removed the austrian bank, raiffeisen bank from under

sanctions. what do you think about putin, who spread his wings like that last week and said that there are guys there. in the european union , which conducts an independent policy, all the others are not leaders and politicians at all , what do you think, how will this affect orban, the fact that he actually went against putin, and austria, which has always traditionally been part of russian politics, because russians have always considered austria to be a state that was close both financially and economically. well , probably politically, they also perceived austria as part of the continuation of their imperial desires and all kinds of encroachments. this is very unexpected and very painful news for russia and its propagandists, because the fact of a formal

legitimate vote on the involvement of ukraine in direct negotiations on the acquisition of membership. and this has already happened and it happened without violation, so they are jumping because of this, well, it’s not like there are cis countries, where everything is democratic, any country can veto russia’s decision there, of course it can not the union, we went through it all, we remember how it all works there, here for them they were sure that orbán would succeed and that they have more... influence, someone is talking about what they have there there are some paps in the kremlin with compromising material, well, we often hear these conversations , but here a very unpleasant situation has arisen for them, because when we already talk about the process of joining ukraine to

the european union, it practically becomes irreversible, because until the moment of receiving the application, we could at any time to get there in... it was a political decision, we got the candidacy, then it was quite difficult to pass this year, formally, with the fulfillment of the seven conditions that we need, a difficult situation, but we did it, and we did it like this that no country could, even orban formally could not come forward and block this decision, as he said that he could name 100 reasons why ukraine cannot start these negotiations, and when this process begins, it becomes clear that ukraine simply uncontrollably becomes a part of the european union, and this is actually and we stand on the same path to nato, and that is why

russia is losing us, we, they are losing us, and they see it, it is difficult to explain it to them, although they will still hope that there will be some... other obstacles, and we have every reason to say that in january we will most likely receive a positive decision from the american congress and the senate. and the european union to provide a 50-billion-dollar loan, financial assistance for the next four years, that is, ukraine is very confidently integrated into this community, and when we have a war of recognition, well here the russians are already beginning to understand that they are spending 70 times more of their own resources on this war than they are spending on... supporting ukraine, because the russians

spent 100 billion in war wages over the years of the war, we received somewhere around 80 billion in aid, but if we take the gross domestic product, then for russia it is 6%, and for europe it is 0.107 0.17 in my opinion for two years, then the west simply did not notice it there, and that is why when a political decision is made. understands that once a political decision is made, it is a political decision there is always money, well, the european union cannot vote on integration there, start negotiations and at the same time not support us financially, just as the americans cannot do this, so that it does not happen there, if it were not difficult there, and therefore such a problem, such hysteria, because they understand that in fact ukraine will never be part of it anymore, well, there are their eyes. thank you, mr. olezh, it was oleg hrybachuk, public figure, former

vice-prime minister of ukraine and former head of president yushchenko's secretariat. friends, we work live, on tv, and also on youtube. for those of you who are watching us on youtube right now , please like this video, i see we have a lot of people watching us right now and vote in our poll because we are asking you about the current system. mobilization, do you think the current system of mobilization is fair? yes no please vote if you watch us on tv you can pick up the phone and vote if yes 0800 211 381 no 0800-211382 all calls to these numbers are free. next , we will be in touch with serhiy krivonos, major general of the reserve of the armed forces of ukraine, former deputy secretary of the national security and defense council, and former... deputy commander of the special operations forces of the ukrainian armed forces. mr. general, i congratulate you and thank you for being

with us today. good evening, glory to ukraine. glory to heroes. mr. general, i cannot but ask you, it so happened that at the moment when you appeared on our air and when we invited you, there was not yet this story with the maid, you should confirm it's to our viewers that we didn't specifically invite you to this topic, but it just so happened that it became known. about the fact that in one of the premises where the commander -in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine was supposed to work, a maid was found, it was valery fedorovych himself who confirmed that in those offices where he was supposed to go at 7 in the morning, a eavesdropping device was found, the sbu has already said , that they would investigate this case, if it were not for this story with political maneuvers around zaluzhny, which we observed and which we talked about continue for several months, including with you, i would, i would not even ask you, who wanted to listen to the slave, my own or someone else's, here it would

definitely be strangers, in your opinion, what, what does this story mean and about what does it show? it shows, first of all, that general zaluzhny is very much interfering with his work, and it is not only those people who are in moscow. as for who exactly brought it in, well , i think that... the investigation will show, if it is conducted correctly, today general zaluzhnyi met with certain officials of the security service of ukraine and discussed these issues, i think they will dot the dots and sometimes i ask myself why our security service talks about how wonderful, direct and its units are fighting at the front, how they are in a deep crowd the enemy is undermined and... bosoms, but then why are they not directly engaged in their permanent work,

the fight against espionage, this is probably one of the main functions, the fight against internal enemies, this is the basis of everything, first of all, precisely those who are powerful fifth column inside our country, so just for the security service, probably the time has come when it has to find out who exactly... and how put this wiretap in the office of the servant, mr. general, have you encountered in your work that you were eavesdropped or tried to arrange an ambush. servant and you knew about it and do they still listen to you now? and those who listen now and now, and those who regularly watch my speeches, see how it is carried out directly, you know, such extinguishing, blocking of all broadcasts, and i am not talking about the fact that it's even reduced to the point that i don't have

the opportunity to talk to my own mother, because all the time... what reasons do you think there could be for the internal forces to listen to zaluzhny, well, he is the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine, he commands the army, on him responsibility for the results of the work at the front , the results of the work with the army, he never talked about politics, he never demonstrated his presidential ambitions, that is, what... what can you listen to, well, what you talk to your mother, that is, well you can say that zelenskyi is yermak wrong there, or is yermak wrong , well, what can be gleaned from these conversations, especially since you, being in such high positions, i think you know exactly what you are saying and what you are not saying, and what is a secret, what is not is not a secret, well, at certain moments,

the wild desire of certain people to get dirty, their dirty laundry becomes over the fact that logic and decency are somehow left behind, so they, listening to the industrious, first of all, if we talk about internal opponents of the hard-working, they just want at least something to find and at least something later to use as possible compromising material in his political activities, as they consider it, although at the moment the task of the diligent, he clearly... understands what he is constantly engaged in, this is waging war with the russian federation, why did someone that his rating is much higher than the rating of the president, well, apparently, he performs his duties much more professionally than the president, that's all, and that's normal, when during a war the head of the armed forces has a high rating, support

from the side of one's own people, it means everything is good, and it was easy to envy it... you know, it's kind of funny and silly, to which, mr. general, these misunderstandings that we observe can lead, and because what happened with the opportunity or an attempt to eavesdrop on general zaluzhny, this is a crime, of course, but how can the misunderstanding between the civilian leadership and the military end and how does it affect the emotional and psychological state of those people who are now... at the front, those who are fighting. well, it annoys people, and i do i constantly talk to my comrades at the front, and they do not understand at all why they do this and why they get involved in military affairs, why they do such dirty things. and as for that, it would probably be better for the civilian leadership to deal with those issues during the war for

which they are responsible, and to remind that the law on mobilization and mobilization training primarily concerns civilians. leadership, and it is they who must deal with the preparation of the mobilization process and the provision of the armed forces with trained and trained personnel composed of citizens of ukraine and high-quality equipment. unfortunately, this is not the case. there is now a rather important problem, the problem of mobilizing the further mobilization of men to the armed forces of ukraine, general zaluzhnyi. believes that it is still too early to evaluate the new project of recruiting for the armed forces of ukraine, because there are two draft laws that are in the verkhovna rada of ukraine, in matters of mobilization , it is necessary to return the existing framework, that is , the framework that existed before this mass dismissal of the heads of territorial military recruitment centers. let's listen to what zaluzhny said.

it is still a little early to evaluate recruiting, a little early. and as for mobilization , well, it is not something that needs to be strengthened, but to be returned to those limits, within the framework of how they worked before, because now it is, let's say, the problem of those guys who are fighting on the front line, someone has to replace them, they someone has to help, and now, well, over time , they are left on their own, which is completely wrong, so it is simply necessary to return it to the framework in which they, in which they worked before. mr. general, here is a massive change of leaders the tsc, well, military commissars, how did it affect mobilization, and in this case, was it not

such a hasty decision, because there were military commissars against whom law enforcement agencies had complaints, all the others were simply released, as once in soviet times, everyone, yes everyone , simply well, this is one of the examples when green populism ran ahead of miski. and when it happened, i was also categorically opposed to not engaging in such, you know, general fooling and generalizing people and accusing them of something that has not yet been proven, those who were guilty had to be punished, and others also had to work, what we got , we got that the mobilization process was disrupted thanks to that populism, which everyone, many, some clapped their hands, said everything was cool, cool, but at... now the mobilization process, well, if i may say, slowed down , this is practically nothing, we ask what is so bad, no , not bad, very bad, mr. general,

but what is fair in the current conditions , what is fair mobilization, what should it be, and why are they now trying to adopt additional measures in the verkhovna rada some legislative acts in order to form certain ones position and what does it have to do with? you know, there is still a big problem here: at one time , if the people's representatives, especially the men who are currently in the verkhovna rada, would have served in the armed forces or in other power structures, i think that the situation would have been perception of the situation concerning the defense of ukraine. would be viewed in a completely different way, and if the lion's share of these boys, who are in the verkhovna rada, did not serve, and are still proud of it, then what do we have, what do we have

, that currently the deputies, who themselves did not pass, they didn't pull the strap, they didn't rub their feet in their boots once and they didn't sweat on the obstacle course, they are currently telling ukrainians how to defend ukraine, it's just ridiculous. in the army, as in ukrainian society, the phrase "do as i say" is not perceived, but do as i do, so the word "do as i" cannot be used by the majority, because there are very few citizens who are elected by the people , served in the armed forces. mr. general, the new minister of defense of ukraine, ruslem umyerov , says that local authorities have more to contribute to mobilization work, because it is local self-government. significantly increase the involvement of, as he said, specialists in the defense forces through the recruiting project, i don’t quite understand, well, the head of the village council should go

around the yards, handing out these summonses, then it will turn out that the head of the village council will be like the head of the tsk from odessa, in what will the land be like, new houses will appear there, that is, is this system that existed before necessary? now we have to make it hybrid, when local authorities will be involved in it, and not only this one the vertical that existed, the vertical of tsk. you see, mr. serhiy, the problem is precisely that you perceive changing the work of certain officials of arms in the state for real work. so, if we take and open the law on mobilization and article 17, which clearly defines. the powers and duties of the local self-government bodies, and it is written there that they are responsible for entering the records and supplying the mobilization

resource to the territorial recruitment centers, read it openly, and then we will understand that it is not the military commissars that must be driven in, as we see this disgrace, on certain channels, and it is precisely these organs of the government that must be responsible for... providing the armed forces with the required number of quality personnel who are ready to serve the weapons in the armed forces, the authorities removed themselves from this, the military realizing that this their need, they were engaged in it, and for some reason everyone accepted that this is how it should be, if only half an hour had been devoted to the study of the law during the trainings held in truskavets for young politicians of the monomajority. about mobilization, mobilization training, i i think there would be much fewer questions, but illiteracy, complete illiteracy regarding the performance of one's functional duties

leads to the fact that we perceive the rules. mobilizations are purely military problems, on the contrary, the military are consumers , let's call it conditionally rude, and they must accept both people and equipment prepared by the civilian leadership of the country, that is, what umer says, it is absolutely logical, and it that's how it should be, that's right, i'm glad that the minister of defense heard my speeches in the past weeks, read the law on mobilization. and clearly formulated how local authorities must perform functional duties under this law. mr. general, i also wanted to ask you about what biden said two weeks ago, then repeated by stoltenberg, that if russia does not help ukraine, russia will simply go further to europe and fight with nato countries. vladimir putin called the statement of the president of the united

states of america joseph as nonsense. biden that russia may attack nato. let's hear what putin said. this is complete nonsense, i think that even president biden understands this, it is just a figure of speech in order to justify his erroneous policy in the russian direction. it is wrong, because i do not think that the united states, today, considering the perspective of world development, is as interested as they thought there 20 years ago. in inflicting and how they publicly declare the strategic defeat of russia, i do not think that this is in the national interests of the united states itself, in russia there are no reasons, no interest, no geopolitical interest, no economic, no political, no military, to fight with nato countries, we have no territorial claims against each other, no desire to spoil relations with them. by

the way, german defense minister pistorius says that putin is increasing the production of weapons, and the west has 5-8 years to prepare. of course, putin always lies, and he lied when he was not going to attack, or go to war with ukraine, i remember these statements in january and february of 2022. how do you, mr. general, assess this situation, or whether this russian insanity can simply throw them and... including nato countries, well, not trusting putin is the same as, let's remember the ukrainian proverb, let it be so possible and it sounds brutal, but the pig of the anthem vowed not to eat it, so this is how we will perceive it, the idea of ​​a sequel lies there, everyone has eaten, so it is precisely in this sense that putin said on the eve of february 24 that no one is planning to attack anywhere and everything will be fine , therefore... to believe

it is better for putin to shoot himself in the foot, the most important thing for us is to understand that we are in such a difficult situation, but it is not hopeless, and the situation is under control , and the fact is that we must revise our views not only on conducting mobilization, but mobilization, everyone perceives that it only concerns people, and mobilization, which concerns the economy, which concerns the supply of products for the armed forces at the expense of our own economy, this is probably the most important mobilization, and we must understand clearly enough what is ahead of us times are still difficult, but we can solve them if we correctly perform our functional duties, according to those documents that have long been worked out and tested by time. this is about the desire of the russians to attack nato countries.

well, everything starts small, and their desire, first of all, is the baltic countries, it is georgia, and perhaps they have developed certain appetites for finland, it is easier with finland, the most important thing, if they climb on finland, then that there such a powerful winter, as historical experience shows, finland skillfully fights on its own territory and knows how to pack russian troops in the swamps and in the cold. and is counted in tens of thousands, by the way, putin is already threatening finland, he says that the country's entry into nato only pushes russia there, regarding the deployment of troops and the creation of the leningrad military district, although it was this military district when the soviet union existed, let's listen , what putin said about finland: they took, dragged finland into nato, did we

have anything with finland? disputes, all disputes are in that.