just to understand that we are all on the same side, here is the proposal of the united states to become a member of this one nao format, the so-called nnma, nonnato media li allowed us to open access to the weapons that we really need. thank god that with the war we don't need this format, now they give it to us anyway, but it could happen that we would be limited by the impossibility of getting really advanced weapons just because we are not members of the alliance and not members of this bilateral program. ok, what about you? now expect the nato summit in washington at the end on the 24th, he will be, he can take symbolic steps, well, there are important symbolic steps, so symbolic were in vilnius, another symbolic ones, well, you know, i don't see anything wrong with the membership program, if we were given one, even in vilnius were invited to the map, it would also be the same political and beautiful step to tell the russians, you see, for 15 years we tried to get invited after the summit in bucharest, and now we have been invited, because our progress is recognized, because we...

closer to the alliance, by the way, we will build rivers and we will join nato on this program. one can , for example, honestly say that there was such a program with partnership for peace, of which we were a part, and russia, by the way, can also honestly say that the program did not allow nato to maintain peace around its territory by attracting partners. russia is not a partner, russia is an enemy, this must be recognized by everyone and told about it. these steps may seem very symbolic during the war, but believe me, believe me, what if we. received a membership action plan 15 years ago, we would already be a member of the alliance, not a single country of the world has not been on the map for such a long time, that is, at best there may be something symbolic, some other symbolic proposals, but real proposals with real terms of ukraine's accession to nato, it is unlikely that kyiv will receive it. automatic, as they say, the use of weapons, nato provides for the decision that each country

individually, or collectively in alliance with someone, responds to aggression against one of the members of the alliance. that's all, that is, if nato is attacked, the countries themselves decide individually or in a group that we will provide urgent care, may decide that we will not provide care. for example, the fifth article was once in history, in general, ever applied, which is not surprising in relation to the united states. when the attack was on the united states, these planes hit, that was enough for the allies, by the way, the ally that called for it was germany, an act of terrorism, you mean, this theoretical act was enough for nato to say that it looks like an attack on us, on everybody, on the bloc, particularly on our ally in the united states, and so a lot of things that happened after that, they were under this umbrella of nato's decision that we apply the fifth article, more in the history of the fifth the article did not apply when scrips were tripled on the territory of britain.

remember, there was an idea to apply the fifth article, but the allies said that this is not quite, this is not aggression, this is not a ship in the dock, this is not shelling of the territories, no, we will not apply the fifth article, but here you must have noticed that volodymyr zelenskyi, when he communicates about nato, he very often , addressing the governments of other countries, says that if you do not help ukraine now, sooner or later your children will fight with russia, give us money, otherwise you will have to send your soldiers, and here it is literally the day before. .. when joe biden appealed to congress to eventually vote for financial aid, he basically said a similar thing, he said that if we don't support ukraine now, we're going to have to go to war with russia, defend our allies. say it such a figure is speechless, when it comes from biden, do they really foresee that sooner or later they will have to fight with russia? i am sure that these were the correct words of president zelenskyi, i am sure that they were heard from the very beginning, it took some time. so that these words could

be relayed, when i spoke to the mass media in britain at the beginning of the aggression, each of the journalists asked me questions like this: we are happy to help you, thank god, our soldiers do not have to fight, it was just a red thread through every conversation, in every one of these conversations, i stopped the journalist and said that why do you think, why are you talking about this, now you are driving a nail for your politicians, if they have to send your armed forces to ukraine , help us, god forbid, what, it will be difficult for them to pull out this nail that no, no, this will never happen, it was perceived every time, well, it is very unpleasant, well, it is already very sensitive and painful for all nations, but this is the conversation that is needed, and that what president zelensky is saying now, what if we have you will run out of forces, run out of soldiers , run out of arms, which you are not supplying us, you will have to make a decision to help us with armed forces, and there are countries that are approaching that decision, britain alone. the first on this

list, can you elaborate, what does it mean , britain is ready to send its soldiers to ukraine? no one will ever admit, especially politicians, every time they are asked, they will say no, no, we, we, well i... well where, well and here, we would rather give anything, but in fact the calculations about the fact that, god forbid, we will have to use the armed forces are conducted by the military, for this the military exists, and diplomats in order to plan for the future, the political leadership of the state must accept decision, is this plan normal or abnormal, but it is ours, our duty, for this you keep us, to plan for the worst, the worst applications for these countries, the use of their expeditionary forces on the territory of ukraine, under what conditions can this happen? catastrophic development of the war, occupation, continuation of occupation, public opinion of great britain is ready for this? no, no democratic state is ready to be used, so that putin does not tell that they are sitting somewhere in mi-6 or military intelligence

of britain, planning to attack the kremlin, no, to democratic states that depend on the cycle of re-elections, that depend on their voters , who are forced to explain 100 times in order to take the first step, it is very difficult for them to do this... so-called values ​​were invented for this, so-called were invented for this alliances, which stipulate that in the event of an attack , very interesting changes have taken place recently, for example, nato has recognized that the cyber sphere is also a sphere of war, it may sound very theoretical, but it means that an attack on a computer, in a military a nato computer is the same as an attack on a tank or a ship, you can imagine what we are talking about, the fifth sphere of responsibility is called space, that is, nato is thinking about it, and these are the signals that putin... also understands , and sooner or later, if we ourselves do not manage and will be sent expeditionary forces, you also need to be aware of this and putin knows it, why is it britain, there is no need for britain, and no one wants the death of even one of their sons or daughters, there are simply things that you do not understand,

what biden translated so well it is clear to everyone, there are such things, for example, that the order thanks to which we exist , thanks to which we can develop, is international law, violated by the fact that... russia attacked an independent state, violated its sovereignty, and so on and so forth further, because these changes will not allow states to develop in such a way as they wish, they will not allow, relatively speaking, to keep the trade routes open. why did the british ship pass the crimean coast? because the british had to demonstrate that the sea lanes were open to all. by the way, few people know, but it was followed by another nato ship, but it turned away, and only the british ship passed through the waters, which the russians promised to bombard there, something was fired there. but a british ship, a powerful, powerful ship, new, modern, passed through it and calmly joined the group of ships waiting for him in the mediterranean, and the whole group went to china, and by this step they demonstrated to china, who had been watching the passage of the british ship very carefully, that britain

was serious about its performance and its own, and would do what it thought according to international law is necessary. if it passes here, it means it will pass near china. china understood this signal very clearly. international law is already destroyed, isn't it. it is destroyed, but there are limits, the limits of destruction, well, unfortunately, i understand that for the ukrainians who are dying and which are being bombarded, it is difficult to understand, well, what can be the limit, well , they are already killing, they have already killed so much, so much that they still do not have enough to send marines and tanks and all we need is the task of the leader of the state, this is the task of diplomacy, this is the task of the military, and i apologize for what i will say now, but they help the winner, that's sympathy, help is for the victim. and we are a victim, and everyone sympathizes, everyone helps, but the aid is running out, the shelves are running out of aid, we need to invest, and to invest is to invest in the winner of the future, in a successful project, what we are fighting for, we have demonstrated that we are a very serious contender for victory in this war, they believed in us, they started investing in us, the

more, the more powerful we will be, we will concentrate all our efforts, we will fight, such armies will help such people, but the number is a stubborn thing, and in fact very much. provides the amount of aid for ukraine, here are the latest data from the kiel institute of the world economy, which monitors how the dynamics of support change, and they state that with from august to october this year, the value of new packages from partners is only estimated at 2 billion 11 million euros, this is the lowest figure since january 22, and this is almost a 90% drop, this sounds very sad, well if we want to say that we we did not know with you how the stocks on the shelves would run out, this is not true, we realized that if someone says that he did not expect that sooner or later the popularity of ukraine will fall, well, this only shows the short-sightedness, the short-sightedness of someone, of ukraine, the one who will say, who thinks that it is not there will be something like this, a tragedy in the world

that will overshadow the problem in ukraine, it could have been a volcano eruption, not a war in israel, but something will still happen if someone did not understand how media laws work, that sooner or later ukraine will fall later, and we will have to look for a new option to find this support, this is also short-sighted, that is, it is all predictable, in particular, the fall in aid, we need to obviously invest in ourselves and... demonstrate to all our partners what is with you, or without you we will fight, you or join us and we fight together, or we fight alone, well we fight, but it seems that after all, most of the partner countries of the united states, well, for great britain, you will be responsible now, they do not have a strategy to defeat russia, which is this peace for ukraine? a very simple primitive explanation, peace is a situation better than before war, that is , if you and i achieve a situation that will be better than before war, that is... for us peace, that is victory for us, that is, if we, as the state can develop as you and i

think, if we don't have a bomb falling on ours head, that is, this situation is better , so we have to go for it, and in the process we have to explain to our partners that yes, now the territory is occupied, we need weapons, we need political support, we need the economy, economic support so that we can develop, so that we as a state do not collapse, so that we do not turn into one of those , i don't want to name the states, i don't want to offend anyone, who cannot get out of... this, you know, poverty trap, but if everything is in the complex, we continue we build our struggle, like conditional israel, yes, here they are bombs are constantly falling on their heads, unfortunately, they are constantly fighting, but this is one of the most developed countries, so is south korea, they still patrol the streets of seoul in civilian clothes with assault rifles, because the war will not end, there is not even signed a cease-fire agreement, but this is one of the most developed countries in the world, it is possible, and we will get there. i also want to ask you. about the elections in ukraine, there is a lot of talk about it, although volodymyr zelensky denies that he wants

elections, but we see, we see, and polls conducted by sociologists show that ukraine is preparing for the elections to one degree or another, whenever they are there, and in this context we often hear that it is the partners who are allegedly pressuring ukraine or hinting at it to hold elections, or do you know anything about is it, do you know that, for example, in the great... great britain , they are interested in holding elections and, so to speak, in the authorities confirming their legitimacy. only in the kremlin do they believe that ukraine is governed from the apcom of washington or from the buckingham palace. in fact, there is no such thing, and no one has ever poked me in direct conversations and said: look, the list is like this, the next one, so the election after that, no, it does not happen like that, believe me, there is a conversation about what... a critical process - this is the basis of how we differ from dictators, from iran,

russia, i don't know, china and so on, it is obvious, at the same time, it is your full national sovereign right to do as you see fit and be responsible for it, from the purely technical point of view, we can say that i once had the honor of helping our foreign institutions, they also hold elections together with the cec, and we are responsible for those who are abroad, i remember, 35 people from ours came to one site. it was a nightmare and a complete failure to organize the process. thousands of people in a diplomatic institution that is not designed to hold elections is a disaster. what to do with eight million people who are abroad, purely technically? well, there is no solution in the current legislation. and do the partners question democracy in ukraine? well, for example, you saw that vitaliy klitschko gave a very high-profile interview to the german and swiss media, he said that... they say the country is moving towards authoritarianism, it is very strong here, even his supporters criticized it, but do

they see, let's say, any signs of that in the west, that democracy in ukraine is under threat, there is no such specific measure, again, this is a noncommittee in washington, the west is a very complex network of analysts, of course i am asking about your subjective experience and maybe, that feeling, i definitely rocking head they lick their tongues, cite examples and say that here a bit of this, something doesn't look very good, what exactly, something is, maybe something is happening, and something should be done about it, relatively speaking, or well, you can't do it either, well, with what specifically, what? every event that takes place in ukraine is analyzed, you and i are on the radar, as diplomats and air defense fighters say, on the radar of the interests of great britain and other countries of the world, they know everything, everything... is analyzed and very often in friendly conversations he says that well, it does not help,

relatively speaking, or this event is not perceived partners, it looks like russia in miniature, something needs to be done about it, and this list is quite further, but, well, for example, it can be during a closed discussion, that is, countries try not to climb and wet our heads when we are at war , they are aware of the situation in which we are, and i am very aware that we are going through an extremely difficult traumatic period, and everyone's nerves are on edge, you know, i have arrived... courts , i feel how much ukrainians perceive emotionally, how little it is remains ignited, this grenade immediately explodes, this applies to ordinary domestic relations, but not primarily to politics. everyone competes with everyone, everyone expresses something, everyone constantly declares something, everyone is an information bomb, you need to calm down, this is kipkal, as they write, as the british say, remember, this is the logo that hung on all the walls, enkerion and continues, i.e. shut up and keep fighting, that's the rule we need to take from the british, well, just in the background of the war in israel, when there was looming over the country

threat, the so-called unity government was already very quickly formed there, which also included representatives of these forces, and i will say this that in the political fringes and there at closed meetings, very often i have to hear such conversations that they say, could something ukraine to do something similar, yes, they cannot hold elections, because, because and because, but they can, let's say, form a government, where, where representatives of the opposition will enter, and that would, well, so to speak , would immediately increase the legitimacy of the government and remove all questions about usurpation, authoritarianism, and... and other things that klitschko talks about in particular, a good idea, a little fantastic, but great, well, this is about the same conversation that started from the very beginning, let's gather professionals, back in the early days , president zelenskyi, to whom we are not far from, conditionally speaking, let's call the ambassador to nato and offer him to be the minister of foreign affairs, let's

hire another professional, put him as minister of something else and so on and so forth, well that's over how many 6 months am i you can see i remember that there were six months of this work, and the project was closed at that point, the political component is not canceled, personal sympathies are not canceled even during the war. you mentioned cherchel in our conversation today. does volodymyr zelensky look like churchill? churchill once said that if you can achieve anything in politics, if you are willing to share the political success. no one has ever said these words. i quote: isn't volodymyr zelenskyy ready to share political success? we elect our leaders because we have 700-50 years in britain democracies, hundreds of rotations. people have long understood that opposition is not a life sentence, it is just another form of power. you 're still the government, you know what it's called, they 're called her majesty's opposition, that is, it's

not even britain, it's her majesty's, there 's her majesty's government, there's her majesty's opposition , there's also a proclamation for them. exactly a share of our people, more or less does not matter, these are the same representatives of the government, they just mirror, and tomorrow they will change, because we have never had political relations with you parties in the normal sense and they haven't changed, they think every time that this is the end of the world, but if i'm not in power, that's all, they just need to understand that you have to respect the opposition, because it will change soon, and you will be respected, or will not respect, as is happening here, such friendly advice, i would say from what kind of friendly british advice from the ambassador. staika, thank you very much, thank you, wow, i went for a walk, water, there is not enough ordinary water here, drink reo, i am saving myself, reo. you are ready, dear, ready, took reo. reo - water for special medical purposes.

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congratulations, nothing inspires russian propaganda more than the idea that ukraine can be left one-on-one with russia, and , of course, any delays or perceived delays with the financing of weapons still... cause russian propagandists to be euphoric, and just in order to talk about exactly how and, well, where, where are the successes

of russian propaganda, where are the effects of some other factors on the supply of weapons, on the financing of ukraine, let's talk with yehor chernev, people's deputy of ukraine from the servant of the people, head of the permanent delegation of ukraine in the parliamentary assembly. nato. greetings, mr. yehor. good evening. good evening. so, egor, somewhere, if i'm not mistaken, in november, you said quite optimistically that next year , american aid will definitely be there. tell me, do you still maintain such optimism, and to what extent were these delays in the vote caused by russian influence or everything? after all, it is something else, well, i am confident that the vote will be taken, and i and she are based on the fact that the question of assistance

ukraine for the next year, it does not stand in the congress or the senate of the united states or in the white house, that is, the absolute majority agrees on what needs to be helped, and even the numbers that were proposed by the white house in... in principle were not reviewed when we came to the senate, and we became, unfortunately, hostages of domestic political issues, rather sensitive domestic political issues, because ukraine votes together in a package together with the border, and also israel and taiwan, and the border is, well, conditionally, conditionally you can call the border, yes, strengthening the border, but in reality it is about a change in approaches to migration policy, what did trump go into the presidential term with, what policies did he implement, and in principle, what are the democrats against, and even now on the eve of the presidential election of the united

states, this is a sensitive issue for both sides, and that is why they are so difficult to agree on this issue, and we are actually hostages of this issue and this package, which includes ukraine, so my optimism is that it will still be voted on, and there is no question whether it is necessary ... there is no need to help others to help, but unfortunately we are losing time and we really live for the time being on the budget of 2023, well, on those appropriations that were in the budget of the united states for ukraine in 2023, and they are ending, unfortunately, they are ending, as far as i am concerned i know, somewhere around the end of november, a parliamentary delegation of a servant of the people went to the united states to the districts, as far as i know... i also understand the republicans, in order to communicate there not only with the american politicians themselves, but also with the voters, what are your impressions

of these trips, what new did you hear? with regard to them, well, maybe motivations, why did it become necessary to go specifically to the districts, to communicate in such a format, well , first of all, it was not only a delegation of servants of the people, there were representatives of the voice, and... if i am not mistaken, some extra-factional representatives, deputies, that is, it was such a parliamentary delegation after all, and it was in different states, and it was caused, first of all, by the request of the congressmen themselves, with whom they communicated several times and heard from them several times that the boys and girls, you don't need us to convince, you need to go to the states and talk to our voters, because the voters, unfortunately, very quickly... pay attention, yes, a year ago, when ukraine was in focus, there were no questions about whether we need to help, now it is not the same , so that the question is whether it is necessary to help, but

more arguments are needed, like this... it happens, that there is control over what we provide you, that it is not cosmic money, which is there, i don't know, 2-3-4% of of the federal budget, which is simply not compared to what we are helped, yes, it is less than a percentage, what we are doing well, but about the fact that this is not charity, after all, including an investment in the security of american citizens, because in the event that... ukraine loses, it will be a signal , including to china in taiwan, in the pacific region, and it is possible, and further this war, or putin or the kremlin may go to the baltic countries or poland, which means that money will no longer be sent, but your soldiers and military will be sent, and we actually traveled with these messages and and talked, and indeed we encountered when we talked with the average

americans and then this was their rhetoric, like, why should we continue to help you, because they have such a feeling that this is a good country or a good country, the united states, helps another good country, ukraine , simply because they there , well, they are so so so cool, who have the opportunity to help, when you explain that it is not just about... charity, but about investments in yours, including security, then everything becomes clear, and they agree in principle , but again, this is more of a level of ordinary americans, and not everywhere, in the majority we saw that there is support, and support is definitely at the level of local, local government, state government, that is, here they are open and

ready. to cooperate, well , you know, you say that this is the rhetoric of ordinary americans, but i just looked, you know, something has changed, well, not that it has changed, there are such strange arguments that some senators also make, i will not to talk about those senators, yes, who are candidates there and sometimes carry such things that it does not come to their heads at all and go on their own these election trips together with russian propagandists. from the russia channel one, then one story, but here, for example, senator ron johnson decided to tell the wisconsin workshop that they still cannot understand what exactly they are paying for and how, well, let's listen, uh, protecting the american border is imperative national security priority for america, from the point of view of events in ukraine, we are in the 22nd month of the war, and it seems to me that it is already a dead

end, it is a foul game. ukraine really cannot do what would be necessary to to defeat russia, so the only way to end this war is through a negotiated settlement. again, it is very difficult to say exactly what they need. we have heard different things. we heard how zelenskyi's advisor who was present said that they are stealing unheard of. we heard about pretty good funding for ukraine over the winter, and suddenly in december, zelensky is here again. therefore, unfortunately, we cannot. trust this administration, i'd like to get the truth out of them, but i don't know if that's even possible, and you know, it's really, well, we can say whatever ron is johnson, yes, but unfortunately, this is a set of literally such theses, which , including russian propagandists, actively promoted that this is all , literally, everyone is stuck and nothing gives

any result. but i am even more worried about what you and i talked about at the beginning of this year, a year ago, and then there were no doubts at all, moreover, the question of control over what goes where in ukraine was completely absent, because everyone everything was transparent, clear, no one asked any questions, why the eyes suddenly changed so dramatically all ideas brought up the topic of corruption again. these stories about some terrible corruption in ukraine and related to weapons and the supply of weapons and aid to the usa, i mean, there was no such topic, and the second, actually, well, how did it happen that we are at the same stage again , as if we are dealing with what has already happened, well , let's start with the fact that there really is a part of the trumpists.