it is for us to understand, er, who communicates, what communicates, how they communicate, and so that the actual communication is as effective as possible, and it seems to me that actually, i would just like to respond to the issue of mobilization, hardly anyone has greater expertise in in terms of the need for mobilization than the military, and now there are several factors that we do not talk about very often, we will never catch up with russia in terms of the number of mobilized people, we have cephisis. it is impossible, and the only option to even out the situation is either better weapons, and this is effective work by the west, and here it is very it is important to note that a lot of work is being done, but here too it can be better, or else everyone will really fight, and all representatives of the government should honestly say this, but not hiding their eyes, not revealing some pitfalls and the like, that's why. .. if

we do not have other parities, there is a clear formula worked out by nato, the more technological weapons, the less manpower you need to deter a larger opponent, but we have technological weapons, unfortunately, at the moment, the only source of them is our western partners, that's why we critically need consolidation of power, both military and civilian, in communications, mutual support. no matter how difficult it may be, no matter how they throw in the ratings, which are measured there very often, not even the format of the rating as a rating, but the trust there or the perception, that's all bullshit, which in fact, as the president said today, should not have time, so in this case it is very important that we approach this process constructively, and i, as a citizen, have a lot of questions for... this government with

society, as the head of a specialized committee, i will do my best to resolve these issues to the best of our ability. thank you, we must put an end to our conversation. yaroslav yurchyshyn, victoria syumar, elizaveta yasko were guests of our program today. ladies and gentlemen, thank you for participating in the program. during our program, we conducted surveys, we asked you about trust. do you trust volodymyr zelenskyi? so let's look at the results of the telephone survey, this is a survey. we spent on television, those who watched our program in tv broadcasts, so 31% yes and 69% no, on the youtube channel i watch the current broadcast yes, 19%, 71% no, these are the results of the votes of our tv viewers and viewers on the youtube channel. that's it, friends, i'm putting an end to it, it was a program, the verdict was brought by serhiy rudenko, i'll say goodbye to you until tomorrow, take care and. their relatives, goodbye,

this is a question of money, quite a lot of money, and a significant part of the money that russia received, well, almost in cash, since the money there was received from some african... countries through various fake structures and then came to the russian federation, therefore, in this context, this is quite a serious blow to the general economic processes that are taking place in russia today. on the other hand, this package is valuable, including a large, large number of additional restrictions that close the loopholes previously used by the russian federation, including for the military-industrial complex, and in principle, this is another signal to some countries. who, on the one hand, did not officially

support the sanctions, but on the other hand, in essence allow russia to bypass these sanctions. the european union once again, as before, by the way, the united states of america, and great britain did it separately, they basically tell these countries that, well, you have to define yourself one way or another, engage in parallel imports, you simply don't have other things will work and in general, you know, after this package, from tomorrow, in fact, preparation for the next one, which will be cleaned, should begin. the new cracks that russia will create is, unfortunately, such an endless process, but this is a process, it is effective, no matter how we feel about the sanctions, it is clear that we want more, but they must be permanent, this is the main demand for today, let's hope that the difference in time between the 11th and the 12th m package will be naba, well, it will be the maximum, and the difference between 12 and 13, well, will not be as big as between the previous ones, because this difference was six months. yes, yes, and and and this

difference allows russia to prepare, yes to those sanctions that will be introduced, but nevertheless, you see, you say, eh, diamonds are it is important, there are gaps, look, the kremlin has already... stated, well, it is true with reference to the press secretary of the president of russia, dmitry piskov, that they will bypass the sanctions imposed by the european union on russian diamonds, that is , they already know how to do it, how important it is this time, what are you saying to quickly pass sanctions, quickly close loopholes, and what is preventing it from being done quickly, oh what is preventing, that is an even better question, yes, well, you know, in general, we don’t have to wait that long there 13- th package of sanctions, and you have to wait there, for example, 12.1, 12.2, 12.3, and then the 13th, and the 12.1 eyes should just close the slits. here, the efficiency must be high, and it can, in principle, sometimes be in the format of literally weeks there, well , a maximum of a month there, since this is not a

big problem, because the information is collected quickly enough, but there is one very important thing that stands in the way of this, what is the advantage of democracy, but for russia it is in principle a beneficial advantage. the decision is made after discussions, after fully studying the issue from the point of view compliance with the laws, and russia in principle manipulates this, it understands that while the next package will be developed for six months so that everything is perfect, it can earn some additional money, and this is, in principle , a big problem that must be quickly dealt with and to do everything so that this efficiency, well, it was maximal, and then russia will really suffer even more from... those sanctions that are introduced against this country, they are actually essential for it, no matter how much they boast and they said that they, well, they somehow figured out how to bypass them, and they don’t affect them much, in fact, they deal a very, very serious blow to them, they just can’t admit it, and they will look for

opportunities to kill them as much as possible, of course , thank you, one more issue that we want to discuss with you, the prime minister of hungary was called a trojan horse by the minister of european affairs of the czech republic, martin dvoře. this is reported by the publication euroactive, because he, i quote: destroys european unity. let's listen. today , orbán is the trojan horse that intensively and, unfortunately, increasingly effectively destroys this unity and tries to show that we should ignore ukraine. i think the real name of what he does is blackmail. i think that the real name of this abuse of the right of veto is not... to protect the national interests of hungary, but to protect the interests of russia. so, sir, mr. igor, what the minister of european affairs of a neighboring country calls the prime minister of hungary a trojan horse, doesn't this mean that

the process of simply neutralizing it begins in europe, as martin said, quoting dvořák, a blackmailer, you know, several unnamed european bureaucrats before the summit where ukraine received, well, an invitation to start negotiations, not on camera, said in general that orbán got everyone, and he didn't even get that much position on ukraine, this is a very important moment, but including the fact that it undermines the more important principles and values ​​on which the european union is based, so there is an understanding of this in europe today, and this will be fought in principle, and fought politically, what we saw under the time of the start vote win with ukraine, and fight bureaucratically, make changes, for example, in the decision-making procedure that undermines hungary's ability, essentially discredit the european union and prevent it from making , well, in a democratic way, decisions regarding the support of certain countries. and another very important point, you know, such a position,

especially of hungary's neighboring countries, is due to the fact that the hungarian prime minister, minister lives in a different reality, in which he has territorial claims, including historical ones. character to their neighbors, that is absolutely unacceptable in the modern civilized world, and even more so in the european union, which is precisely based on the recognition of borders and on the recognition of the fact that we have already removed all claims, and we would live with a clean slate, and everyone communicates normally with each other, therefore, judging by everything, in the 24th year, especially after the elections to the european parliament, the system of voting and decision-making will be changed, and orbán will no longer be able to manipulate like this and, most importantly, to use the rights that hungary currently has . by the way, he i understand this very well, i think that his activation is connected with the fact that he is simply trying at the end, well, at the most , to somehow bargain for himself and with that, well, then move on to new decision-making procedures, which will not be so successful and convenient

for the same hungary mr. igor, but every country in the european union probably defends its interests, we saw it on the example of austria, yes, why was the previous one detained. package of sanctions, then who else, apart from orbán and apart from hungary, can resist, for example, next year, our negotiation with the european union. you see, in principle, i think , except for hungary, no one will speak about ukraine's accession to the european union, but at the level of each individual country, we may have certain disputes, absolutely, by the way, of an adequate socio-economic, to a lesser extent, political nature , because we must not forget that we are starting negotiations with, well, not just the european union, we will talk with each individual country, and therefore we need to... prepare for the fact that some additional facts, well, factors, they will arise in the process

of these negotiations, but i do not think that anyone else will take exactly such a principled position and categorically oppose the accession of ukraine. in the end, we saw it, for example, 26 countries were in favor, on february 1, believe me, they will vote for the allocation of funds to ukraine, even if hungary opposes it, which , by the way, is not a fact, and in the future something like this will just start, you know, well he, well... well, from a bureaucratic point of view, but a process of coordinating interests with each individual country is necessary, and everything will depend on our ability to conduct these negotiations quickly and effectively, of course, thank you, and we have one more topic to discuss, and there is this information from sociologists: the armed forces of ukraine and volunteers enjoy the greatest trust of the population. this is evidenced by research data published by the kyiv international institute of sociology. on their website, the trust of ukrainians in the president is in third place, but

this year it is lower than in 2022. let's listen. 96% of respondents trust the armed forces of ukraine. it was the same in corresponding period of 2022. in second place, ukrainians trust volunteers. this was the answer of 84% of respondents. this is the same number as in... december 2022, 62% trust the president, which is 22% less than last year. as for other authorities, the government is now trusted by 26% of respondents, compared to 52% in 2015. at the same time , 15% of respondents expressed trust in the verkhovna rada. in december 2022, they were 35%. instead, law enforcement agencies, in particular the security service of ukraine. do not trust 58% of respondents, this is only 5% less than in

last year. the national police is trusted by 41% of respondents, compared to 58 last year . trust in the church has also decreased, this year 38% of respondents trust these institutions, compared to 44% last year. the level of trust in the ukrainian media has almost halved from 57% last year to 29% in 2000. the 23rd lowest surveyed part of the population trusts justice, only 12% of respondents confirmed their trust in the courts this year, last year 25% of respondents said so, prosecutors are now trusted only 9% of respondents, while last year there were 21 of them . well, thank you igor, if we do not take into account the armed forces of ukraine and volunteers, where there is growth in all other positions, trust, some kind of just total despair, how would you assess why people stopped trusting

state institutions and other institutions as well, and the church, by the way, as well, look, well, on the one hand on the one hand, this is an absolutely objective process that is characteristic of any democratic state and even one that is in a state of full-scale war, people always want more, citizens want more, they sometimes react more harshly to certain scandals that arise there. and it affects directly on the trust in certain state institutions, on the other hand, if we look even at the dynamics, well, changes of this trust, we do not have any big drop in key institutions, i would say even more, if we take for comparison, for example, the level trust in the current american congress, well, in the parliament, then the level of trust in the verkhovna rada is several times higher, because, well, in the congress there is generally less than 10% today in this context. i don't see a super big one yet problems or total disappointment , on the other hand, these data are a very, well, you

know, a good and correct signal to these or other institutions that they need to think about their activities and what they are doing, if they do not draw the conclusions that we see, for example, according to the cabinet of ministers, well, then the situation will continue to get worse, who draws conclusions , the situation will be better there, of course, thank you very much, ihor reiterovych, candidate of political sciences, head of political and legal programs of the ukrainian center for social development was as a guest of our broadcast, they talked about the topics of international and domestic politics. chevrons approaching victory. an athlete is by nature a strong and steadfast person, but for more than a year, ukrainian athletes have been going to the start with sorrow, each of

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of today. pain lurks, pain begets pain, children are filled with what surrounds them, we can hear you, dial 1547 and help break the cycle of violence. mobilization of additional 450, 500 thousand people. will cost ukraine 500 billion uah. this was announced by president volodymyr zelensky at the final press conference. let's listen. it is fair that this is a question of our military, the central committee, the general staff, they addressed the issue of mobilization at the level of our rate. they proposed to mobilize an additional 450-500

thousand people. this is a very serious number. if we talk about additional forces. mobilization, we must find demobilization processes, and this will have to be done objectively, with specifics and with great respect for the soldiers, that's why i asked for a lot of answers, which also concerns business trips there, there should be questions about vacations, there should be questions about moving from one place to another. the possibilities are different, as far as finances are concerned, between us, mobilization in this format will cost ukraine an additional 500 billion hryvnias. and then we will talk about the issue of mobilization and demobilization on our broadcast with yevhen dyky, a military analyst, a veteran of the ato, ex-commander of the

aidar battalion in 2014. mr. yevgeny, from... congratulations i will live with you on the air of the marathon, so the announced plan to mobilize 450-500 thousand people , how realistic it is, how long it takes to mobilize such a number, these are really two different questions, whether it is even real, here for me the answer is absolutely unambiguous, yes it is absolutely realistically, it's not something, i'd say it's enough actually. an application from the army command, the fact is that in order to understand this figure, it is enough even, well, for example, i do not possess any secret information of the general staff, just like you and i do not possess it together and we should not, but we all possess sufficient information about how our enemies mobilize, and there is a certain,

unfortunately very simple, iron-and-concrete one called the logic of war, which consists... in because in order to fight with much smaller forces than the enemy, you need to have a generational, roughly speaking, technological advantage, well, i think, for all of us, well, roughly speaking, like the united states had against the mujahideen, and we think we all perfectly understand that we are at war with the russians within the limits of the same technological level , plus or minus, something is better in us, something is better in them, but it is not about a difference exactly by an order of magnitude, accordingly, unfortunately, we must... understand that we must put on the front a comparable to them the number of fighters, this is a harsh reality from which we cannot escape, and therefore i would say that this figure is 5,000, half a million replenishment of the armed forces. this is actually, i would say that this is the stated minimum need. then there is the question of the bandwidth of our mobilization system. how much we can miss at the same time. i think this one

capacity is currently less than the specified number. but here we have a huge experience of how to help the army overcome this barrier with the help of society itself, with the help of the civilian part of our society. if our enemies have a mobilization system. this is exclusively a state apparatus, then we can get involved, we can help at all levels, when actually, well, because yes, these are also material problems, this is a problem of provision, this is a problem of where to concentrate, and we do not forget that concentrating a lot in one place, we just can't afford it allow, that is, we will have to mobilize more than half a million people, while not concentrating them somewhere in one place, but with the active support of the civilian population. part of society, this is an absolutely real task, i would say that if we are able to recruit these half a million people during the winter to the spring, then in this case we can completely change

the situation at the front, we can create an advantage over the enemy and not learn, i'm sorry, but the pass ability, that means you have to clothe a person, give him weapons, teach him to fight, that's how you talk about it, exactly that, the ability to pass is about the fact that a person who received a summons and a soldier at... the front, there is a big distance between them, and this distance includes clothing, feeding, arming and most importantly teaching something and forming units and coordinating these units, this is a process , which takes a minimum of 3-4 months, this is very strict, ideally it would take six months, well, i would say that we need to look for something in the middle between these numbers, and well , i still think again that these half a million one-time actually. mobilization not for a month, but for the winter, for example, this is absolutely a real task, if, first of all, the whole society now supports it, that is, if there is already an understanding that this is actually the lesser evil of all

possible ones, no one is ever happy about large mobilizations, this is normal, but we must understand that all other scenarios for us are much worse, and if we do not mobilize these half a million people now, then in the end we will lose more of our people, just in some time, and the second one, that is... the society and the very tough decisions of the legislative power, of these two decisions from these solutions i would them at all there can be a whole package, a whole complex, but i personally consider two to be key: first, the establishment of a maximum term of service, even in wartime, a person should not buy a one-way ticket, a person should not go and what if you win through you were lucky for a year, and if the war lasts for 10 years, well , you are simply unlucky, and the rest is behind you, but there is no such thing. to be, unfortunately, this is the case for now, for now you can demobilize only through the cemetery or through amputation, sorry for the directness, and the second side is less

pleasant for civilians, but we have now there is a huge hole in the legislation, we do not have criminal liability for evading registration, if you have already allowed yourself to be mobilized, then if you run away, you are a deserter, and this is a serious crime, but if you simply do not register. city women, if you simply refuse to receive summonses and send the military commissar to all security guards, then this is an administrative offense, fine 1400 hryvnias. sorry, but in a great war , survival is a luxury you can't afford. but i believe that by one law these two questions must be resolved: what choice does a person have now, either wear a pixel and go to the front, it is not known how much the option is for life, or pay a fine of 1,400 hryvnias, and the choice should be: "you go to fight for two or three years, but you know that later you will be replaced, and the one who lived this time behind your back will come to replace you, no matter how long this war lasts, or the alternative: you go to prison for the same three

years, and he goes to prison for five , it will be a completely different choice for the average person, huh, mr. yevgeny, here you are they talked about the promotion of civil society in the mobilization process, and they said that they need to be armed, but here i have z'. let's say the doubts that we have delays in arming our army, yes, i mean, are we able to arm half a million people, because, well, volunteers can help you buy some mavik, uniforms, equipment, but weapons, yes the same tanks, planes and everything else, the question is absolutely correct, very correct, but come on, after all... the basic equipment of an infantryman is still not a tank for everyone, but what, what, excuse me, old oars, that is, the same kalash rifles with a wooden butt, with which i once

fought and with which we actually... repelled the first first attack in the 22nd year, everything is western , it arrived much later, and kyiv was defended , for example, with those old kalash boots, generally from police depots, so these same old oars are generally enough for a million and 2 million people, and secondly, let’s not forget one thing, we say it as if half a million should be exactly the same at the same time at the front, and that’s not true, we don’t make our figures public, but there is a public figure... for the american army, for one soldier at zero , how many soldiers do you think, well, in general, military personnel of all levels, who ensure his work, how much do you think i don't know, 11, 11, so that one certain john rambo somewhere in the mountains crushes the majahez, 11 other military personnel provide all the wheels of this huge machine called the army, the fighter at zero

is the tip of the iceberg. it is clear to us that we are not we can afford 11 to one during the war, our numbers are clearly smaller, but also , to put it mildly, not one to one, conditionally three, five, let's not go crazy, i heard the figure that five of those who work in the body provide for one soldier in ukraine, i heard such a figure, no, no, it is about different things, he is talking about finances, the president said about six civilians, the taxes that provide for the payment of one soldier, and i will now say that it is already within army for one. the fighter actually needs several to zero, which provide the warehouses, logistics, hospitals, that is all this huge machine that has to work, that's why it doesn't really mean that we have to arm 500,000 people at the same time exactly to zero, that is , pack them completely with armor, a helmet and a machine gun, a little less, thank you for this explanation , but since the topic of shortages has already been touched upon, well, how to provide people with weapons, and the commander

of the operational-strategic group, tavriy oleksandr tarnavskyi, reported that the armed forces of ukraine faced a shortage of artillery shells and canceled some military operations, and he also noted that that the state of affairs on the battlefield is affected by the fact that foreign aid is cut, what do you say about this, how critical is the shortage of artillery shells at zero now. unfortunately, there is a problem, it is not fixed yet. fictitious at all , but this is already a real problem, in general, we actually had problems one after the other, while we had them in the summer, but in the summer , they finally poured enough shells, mines, etc., but until it arrived, during this time in our began to run out of people, to be honest, it was just painful to hear such things, from my brothers who are now fighting there, some near avdiivka, some on the left bank of the dnieper, when i

was there two months ago... i often heard such things as: finally, for the first time, they have laid enough mines for us, we are carrying the ork support , no one can go to him, or, for example, our snipers and anti-tankers are transferred to ordinary infantry, because there is no one to hold positions, and now the situation has become worse with bc, but we had a moment when it was precisely the lack of personnel that became critical. that is, in other words, when the army was let down by you and i, the ukrainian rear society, which did not put enough people into... the army, so far the republicans have hit us, but actually what the republicans will create now in the us congress is actually what hamas is doing, which is taking women and holding children hostage continues to make political demands, but the republicans did just that: they took us hostage in order to squeeze out of biden a solution to their purely domestic political problems, and because of this we now have a delay in the supply of ammunition, because the aid that still remains with a budget

in the 23rd year, they are trying... to break it down into small portions, because it is not known how long this process will have to be dragged out, and unfortunately, the austerity regime has already been introduced, precisely the austerity regime, we are not talking about the fact that we have a disaster, but simply, if in the summer we finally allowed ourselves to shoot as much as we needed, now we are counting shells again, unfortunately, let's hope that it will only be until january, let's hope that in january, after all, the us congress will agree, but on the future is further, this is a very strong incentive for us, nevertheless. now in his own production, so that, even if next year everything will be in order with help, i really hope for it, after all, but not much will happen after that, maybe this is a dream of the russians, and the americans will suddenly choose how they so gently they call it a trump card, anything can happen , we have to prepare for the worst option, so we will have a whole year to learn how to produce at least a sufficient amount of bc ourselves, and then we will be much less interested in who

the americans choose there, huh. we will be saved, mr. evgeny, because we have one more piece of information.