to talk about the rotation of the active cabinet of prime ministers and blocs related to economic policy, a certain rotation of changing surnames, but a significant rewriting of the cabinet of ministers as a technocratic government, not a monomajority, not pro-government, not directly related to loyalty and with and with political support. servants of the people and the majority that votes, namely the technocratic one that would really be empowered, at the moment, at least for the next quarter, there is no question either, i do not exclude that including our western partners, and the situation in the country, this strategic confusion, which i mentioned earlier, they will influence the president, they will push him to nevertheless form such a ... government of national unity or

a technocratic government, which would be more autonomous in its decisions from the centers making decisions on banking, so that decisions are still formed in the cabinet of ministers, as a collective body, and policy is formed by ministries and the heads of these ministries did not descend from the pechersk hills, therefore... yes, i think that the president can do this ripen and indirect mediated messages, there are signals indicating that this idea welcomes both the banking and the cabinet of ministers, and from time to time even certain constructions of a possible government, those of a technocratic government, are called by one or another surname at the head of this cabinet, that is, the situation is changing, maybe the president will come to this, regarding the elections, but... obviously, there is a memorandum, there is

a consolidated position of political forces regarding the impossibility of holding elections in the 24th year, at the moment this is the dominant position, there is the position of society is expressed in the results of many sociological studies , we see it, and not because it is, you can't hold elections, because there is a war, but i still trust more, for example, such figures, which were announced by the rumkov center that 56 % of surveyed citizens of ukraine do not support the holding of elections, because, attention, during the war in the conditions of concentration of resources in the hands of the ruling power, it is impossible to ensure pluralism, effective competition or positions of different political forces. well, in fact, this competitiveness has already disappeared, because we see we see how a single telethon simply forms. a unified policy, we see how different

political forces are trying to gain access to the mass media, but despite this, well , we see that the rating of trust in zaluzhno, for example, is increasing, and here the rating of trust in zaluzhno, apparently, is the rating of trust in the armed forces, it is not easy, that is why the rating of the hard worker is growing, it also raises certain questions, it is certain that the team... but mr. vitaly, what do you think, the president, he wants to be, well , the only president who will win, and is his behavior actually dictated by this, or why is he afraid of some political co-responsibility of other forces? it is not about co-responsibility, but more about whether he will be able to provide effective governance, as he imagines it, because... that

a technocratic government means delegating certain decisions to the government, a certain autonomy of this government, it is an opportunity to communicate with western partners directly, without expecting any clear directives from the bank, this is interaction with the verkhovna rada, respectively, for the adoption of certain decisions, the formation of coalitions based on specific voting results, this means greater independence. from the cabinet of ministers and in the parliamentary-presidential republic this is normal, even during martial law, martial law, but the banks believe that they cannot let go of this river management of economic and socio-economic political processes, that the executive power must be concentrated, and on at the moment they have all the political leverage to ensure... this

concentration, to delegate to partners, if it's a coalition government, that's one story, that enter into some agreement, but then there is danger. that the coalition government will lead to a new round of electoral logic, that is, those political forces that will enter the coalition government will consider their participation in it as a platform, as platforms for promoting their own political programs and their own pr, because this is the only objection against the coalition government , and it is valid, to be honest, but with regard to the technocratic government, well, we are talking about a program, there is a program that must be implemented, here is how... implementation of this program, there are obligations to our western partners, there are obligations to integrate the european union, the government must take such and such steps, there is a plan independent of the president, which must be implemented by the government,

a technocratic government, and the same is engaged in ensuring the transition of the economy or the functioning of the economy in a military regime, this is normal, thank you mr. vitaly, sir. andrei, when we talk about the fact that war and martial law require the maximum concentration of all political forces and maximum unity, already about israel and about this government of national unity, which was established on october 7, 23, after the attack of hamas on israel, has already been said and done as an example of how our entire system should work. it seems to me that in ukrainian politics, with the exception of perhaps a few groups there, there are no people who would be against or did not see the victory of ukraine over russia there, and this is the goal, this is the most important thing, because without this victory there will be no politics ,

if there is no victory, there will be no ukrainian politics, there will be nothing to divide, there will be no cabinets of ministers, there will be no verkhovna rada, there will be some revenge councils there if the russians win. why don't we make quick decisions about how i, how this big state machine should be managed, or whether it is advisable during martial law, the concentration of power exclusively in one hand, although this concentration began in the 19th year, actually after the parliamentary and presidential elections. well, if we compare ukraine and israel, then, well, unfortunately, we must... understand that the democratization of our elites is not at the same level as the democratization of our elites, it is not at the same level as, for example, in israel, we are still balancing somewhere there, although ukrainian society, in principle, it is much more mature than most of our

elites, most of our politicians, and this was demonstrated by the war, the full-scale invasion , but the elites, the ruling classes , the so-called, yes... the politicians, the powerful, especially the pro-powerful politicians, they demonstrate that , unfortunately, they are very often unable to change and unable to respond, in fact, with the necessary actions to the challenges of the present time , when we talk about the government there of national unity, whether you don't like this name, a technocratic government or a government of specialists there, who... will not have a direct relationship with one or another political forces, you can look at it in different ways, but even such, in fact, from such a prism the authorities, unfortunately, for some reason do not consider why , because already my colleague absolutely rightly said, they, they are afraid, they do not, they do not

understand how to manage all these processes in this way, relatively speaking, how to influence these processes , and the main thing is that of those people which can participate in the actual. in the formation of this government , new, new politicians or politicians of a new quality may then appear, arise, grow up, who will know how and will know when and how to react actually to what is happening in our state, and most importantly, on unfortunately, we are still observing, even during the war , the majority of our pro-government figures, they are thinking about what and what the elections will be like, for... to ask there, relatively speaking, every people's deputy, or even there, well, representatives of the government, whatever - which, they think about the elections, and it doesn't matter, these elections will be there today, tomorrow, the day after tomorrow, conditionally there, even in a year, in two, in three, but

they are already trying to lay this foundation, how they can continue their stay in power further, in the same time, if we compare with that... with the same israel, they do not set themselves such a goal, they do not know when the elections will be held, and they absolutely do not set before themselves the goals of the election process and re'. may be in this election process, because if we assume, the same natanyahu would like to get all the laurels for himself, of course, he would not agree to the formation of a government of national unity, but the society will not understand this, here in ukraine there is such a person who is completely opposite or the opposite side, exactly to what is in israel, in israel , by the way, the same, let's talk, in principle. there is pluralism in the media, in israel there is no linguistic single marathon, yes in israel, in israel there are

pro-government opposition media, so they do not cross certain red lines, so they understand that now victory is above all else, but these anti-democratic frameworks, well, you can call them differently, they do not exist, because both society and the ruling elites, they understand and have them. own vision of victory and a vision of what a democratic society should look like, even in wartime, and so we have to sort through all these things of what a democratic society should be like in wartime, because if we have an authoritarian society, what's the point we will then lead to what we will reach, anyway one way or another we must build a democratic society even now in the rear, at least in the rear. and this is a democratic society, it starts from where? it begins with

politics, with society, with these socio-political processes, media processes, processes of power formation, that is, it lays the foundations for further development, including the development of the state. we have to meet these challenges, otherwise, well, otherwise we will have what we very often have, thank you, and i will say one last thing, here. those ratings, those sociological polls, which we saw on the decline of trust in many authorities, including the government, the parliament, they are the result that we do not have, unfortunately, this government of technocrats or the power of national unity, otherwise we would have seen different results. thank you, mr. andriy, after a short break we will return to the studio, continue our conversation, do not switch.

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mrs. victoria, i don’t really like that... everyone is trying to put ratings of trust or distrust, or political to open up some perspective for the meritocracy, some consciously, some unconsciously , how do you feel about what is meritorious, well, over the past two months, they have been quite actively trying to push it into ukrainian politics, well, i do, it seems to me that way, at least what i watch what the team does. yes, zelenskyi and what zelenskyi said yesterday about valera and maryana, well, it also somehow looked not quite correct, regarding the head of the armed forces of ukraine, how do you feel about the fact that now we have moved into the category of ratings, sociology, closed sociology, open sociology, well, first of all,

i believe that there really are those who consciously. all the polls are completely wrong, and there are those who unknowingly and also actually play along with this military-political conflict, i would say so, yes at the level military and political leadership. i think you know the full point in this story, the president should have put it a long time ago, as soon as his interview in the halftime and the interview of the hard worker in the economy came out, and when... well, this is the interview, you remember, this was actually a reaction to the fact that the society and citizens of ukraine needed an honest dialogue with them, and we needed honest forecasts about what's next, where we're going, how it's developing, how we'll achieve victory and what's happening in our counterattack, and

zaluzhny very honestly conducted such a dialogue with society, and it seems to me that there are no questions, but... what happened next, you and i all watched, and in fact, it seems to me that the fact that the war is not only shaked , missiles, and it is also a hybrid , well, it is obvious, and the russian federation will use this conflict as well and try to convince our international partners that we have a military leadership, the political leadership does not like it, we do not need to provide assistance, support and so on. and we don't have any further everything else, but even if this did not happen, it seems to me that there was not enough either on the international arena or for ukrainians. such a joint briefing by zelensky and zaluzhny, and the results of which would make it clear that everything is in order, we have unity, and everyone knows where they

are going, what the plan of action is and so on and so forth, even if there is no such plan of action on paper, but it seems to me that in my head, well, i have no reservations, i absolutely trust the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine and understand that it is obvious in his the chairman has this plan, and thank god, and i don't... need someone to voice it, but if it didn't happen earlier, i think, yesterday, it was also a great moment, the final conference of the president, and it was well, the last question, actually, where could you put this point, but this familiarity and the fact that zelensky for some reason equated zaluzhny with, well, some deputy, please excuse me, even who holds the post of the chairman of the committee on national security and defense with all due respect, but it seems to me that it is absolutely unequal characters and it is absolutely impossible to equate them, but for me

, you know, this is such a message that simply showed that in fact maryana bezugla wrote these posts and asked these questions and, including , initiated, tried to throw this idea out there about the resignation of the servant not independently, it was not her own. idea, because if it had acted independently, yesterday, i think, the president would have very sharply distanced himself from such actions and explained who is who, especially since this is the person who represents him the team, elected from the people's servant and has a position in the committee on national security and defense, but such a reaction, she once again convinced me as another proof that, unfortunately, the hands of maryana bezuvloi are controlled by someone who is on the street. it is an extreme pity that zelenskyi does not react to this and does not intervene, because well, this can simply lead to very catastrophic consequences, including in terms of

international support, we literally have one and a half minutes from you, vitaly, what do you think of about that, well, this whole sociological one rating drama, we also recently presented a study of active groups and... in particular, we saw the positions of citizens in evaluating the activities of the hard-working president, and in particular , we also have a high assessment of zaluzhnyi himself, not support for his possible resignation, so it is obvious that the president will not risk going to such an unpopular step as the resignation of the commander-in-chief. yes, i support the idea of ​​a joint speech by the president there and it is necessary to show them how this unity between the military and politically is related to society. management exists and it manifests itself, this adult behavior would be about the questions asked by the bezula, well, as for me, i am

a consistent critic, and apparently what we publish on our telegram channel, if it scolds her enough, we will not get it and the censors, do not censor what, but, in my opinion, some. they are loyal to the military leadership, and i do not agree that mr. zaluzhnyi communicates effectively with society, for some reason he chooses the economist, not a ukrainian publication, to communicate with ukrainian society, because i have problems with communication that the military-political of the leadership, that of the military leadership, as well as the political leadership, thank you, vitaliy, andriy, at the expense of sociology, here is everything that i said... in fact, in my previous conversation, what is actually appearing recently more and more sociology, moreover

, this sociology is politicized, that is , it already looks from the point of view that someone there is planning or sees elections in some future, this is wrong, because we see how the situation is now in the country and on at the front and in the international arena, it gets complicated and... the actual throwing of custom sociology in there, both hidden and public, is now nothing good for the country, as they say, no, no, no, no, no, it does not smell, because people, people on in fact, we see quarrels, society is disunited, we see how sociology is being manipulated by some, some individuals there, so of course there is nothing good in this, demonstrating... sociology can be, but really bring it to it is not quite as absurd as we have now logically. i will say the last thing about bezugla,

i really agree with the fact that if ... bezugla really did this exclusively on her own, i think she would no longer be the deputy chairman of the committee on security and defense, that's the first thing, i don't understand why she is kept there, and secondly, i think that she would no longer be a member of the servant of the people party, she is a member, unfortunately, of the monomajority, and for some reason there are still no questions for her, she is basically now relaying thoughts according to her status, in fact , from your party and from your committee, how is that? maybe here too i have to put it because time is running out, sorry , i have a schedule, andrii smolii, viktoriya ptashnyk and vitaliy kulyk were guests of our program today, andrii, once again i congratulate you on your birthday, and i would like to remind you that during our broadcast we conducted a survey, we you friends asked about whether peace with russia is possible, so the poll results are 10% yes, 90% no, on youtube 14% yes,

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