you can express your opinion on the evil of the day with the help of a telephone survey, turn on and turn on, verdict with serhiy rudenko, every weekday from 20 to 22 on espresso. greetings to everyone on the espresso tv channel, my name is lesya vakulyuk. and today i will be talking to my polish colleague, journalist nataliya waloh, she works in one of the most famous and influential polish newspapers, the election newspaper, as well as in a magazine called high heels, in ukrainian this name is translated as high heels, actually this the magazine is published by the electoral newspaper, it is for women and about women, but not about how to choose the right lipstick color, but about what problems modern people face. women and

i was inspired to record this conversation by one comment under my other interview with another polish journalist colleague, slawomir sirakowski. this comment sounded something like this: is it so important to talk about abortion in poland that the journalist, that is, me, dedicates a separate question to it. i understood that ukrainian men or women, i don't know who wrote this comment, or a viewer, no longer i remember do not fully understand the realities in which polish women live, but i would like them to understand, because it was the polish women who were the ones, the polish men too, but the women were the driving force that at the beginning of the full-scale invasion, if you remember, they rushed to help to ukrainian women, at least this beautiful action, and what became known in ukraine, when poles left baby carriages at train stations for ukrainian women who

were escaping from the war, fleeing from this war with their children. actually, who are these poles? women, what they live for, who they are, and why the issue of abortion is so important in poland that it is even discussed by polish politicians during the formation of a coalition, all this will be discussed with natalya valoh, greetings natalya, have a good day, congratulations, have a good day. congratulations, you know that you understand the ukrainian language a little, so you probably guessed what i was talking about, i also know that a lot was written about the war, about ukraine and ukrainian women, but today our conversation with you will be about the poles. so, who are modern polkas, how does polka from warsaw differ from polkas, for example, from underground or from polkas from gdańsk from gdańsk. but that rifle is oil.

there are no kindergartens, no crèches, very high prices, the issue of access to education and health care looks very bad, but actually education is weak, and also the basic rights of women are related to pregnancy, childbirth and abortion, these are the topics , which unite poland. and again, poles from big cities can cope more easily, with access to kindergartens, nurseries, and there is a better choice of doctors, and in smaller cities.

because, for example, last year it was about the same in november, a women's congress took place in brussels, dedicated to ukrainian women, ukraine and the war, as well as ukrainian feminism and the situation of ukrainian women. what i see is that both ukrainian and polish women

constantly have a problem with patriarchy in the family, or with the male worldview, and you are now dealing with it perfectly, you are breaking all this very powerfully. now that there are many women in the ukrainian army, this is something that absolutely astounds the world, and i am convinced that this is something that will have a huge impact on ukrainian women for a long, long time after the war. nevertheless, the patriarchy both in ukraine and in poland is still very strong, and i think that polish men and ukrainian women also have in common the fact that we cannot rest and just live,

that many young women do not want to go vote, it was about women from 18 to 29-30 years old, and about half of those youngest polish women said that they would not go, or did not know if they would go, in any case did not show a desire to go. that is why there was such a broad process and such a huge campaign to get women to vote, and of course that campaign was directed not only on... and this was very important, because first of all, we know from research that women in poland are much more progressive than men. if anyone wants to preserve the old patriarchal system, it is men,

especially young people. women, on the other hand, are much more progressive. so it was known that if more women went to vote, then the power that was supposed to overthrow the government that had been destroying our country for so many years. polish women have a lot of problems, namely, that the country does not deal with our affairs at all, the affairs of women broadly understood, and in poland we already know that if women do not vote, but also if women do not go to the diet and the senate, then they will not be in power, and no one will deal with those matters, and now...

in the first place, and were alternately with men, women had very good positions, they were often on , that is, the following method of compiling the list was used: woman-man, woman-man, and of course half of the party is women. sometimes in those lists where women received worse places, there were fewer of them, in connection with this, if we were to create a certain program now , which the polish women, different milieu of activists have, this is a pressure to ensure that in the next elections, women will necessarily get good places on the lists, because this will affect the representation in the parliament, the place in the parliament.

instead, their the results of the elections were a terrible defeat, and this is the work of women, it simply means that women said a firm no to them and did not vote for them, so the poles are more centrist.

that is, women's affairs do not exist for them at all, that is, women's problems are not perceived at all as something important, women's rights, or again, so that women can combine motherhood with robo?

the town does not have a nursery school , and it is difficult to take a child somewhere, or the kindergarten is private and expensive, so she does not return to work, so by force of circumstances she is assigned the role of a housewife , mother and wife, when she does not always want it, because women who want it, can always live like this, unlike women who would like to live differently, in the most extreme version, as those

parties do with us, they behave. poland ended with the fact that poles are simple started dying, this is how we are treated: poles started dying in the maternity wards, and this is a direct result of the law that the ruling party put in place, and all this self-determination...

no, they had a lot of fantastic ideas for so that more children are born , for example, such an allowance of 500 plus, where you get 500 zlotys for having a child, which is actually a good idea, and i personally support it, but the truth is that children are born when people feel safe. in poland, people lack finances in order to to buy a house, they have nowhere to live, if a woman knows that when she is on...

and now there is not all that provision, if poles read that it is impossible to see a doctor, if poles read that dental treatment for children costs thousands of zlotys, if we know that women consistently earn much less than men in poland, even though polish women are often much better educated than poles. twice as many women graduated from universities as men. we have 18% of men with higher education, and 36% of women, so

simply smart women under such conditions are not will give birth to children, because a responsible woman is a responsible mother. there must be conditions for raising children. and the ban on her having an abortion has absolutely no effect on that, and all the activist organizations that help. recently, poland has had the fewest number of children born since the second world war, and now the demographic situation in poland is catastrophic.

could they get an abortion permit in poland, what procedure did they have to go through? i wrote about this last year, i am very ashamed of my country. it is unspeakably unfortunate that my country behaved like this with them. no polish left-wing mps in poland, if the pregnancy is after abortion, it can be legally terminated, but it must be confirmed by the prosecutor that there was a crime. if we were talking about ukraine, it was about ensuring that there is no set time in poland, to confirm,

in our support for ukraine, that poles, poles constantly see what is happening in your country, because we are aware that this war is also our business, that we we cannot leave ukrainians and ukraine. thank you very much for this support, it is important even at the beginning of a full-scale war, and especially now, because the war is still going on, so i am grateful to you and your colleagues for constantly monitoring the situation in ukraine, i will tell our viewers that it was nataliya valoh, a journalist of the election newspaper and high heels, high heels or high heels, like it is translated into ukrainian, with whom we spoke.