guests and extremely warm conversations. december 24: celebrating christmas with espresso. 11:30 on the clock we are back, thank you for watching espresso, thank you for being with us and for donating to the meetings we are organizing, in the meantime we will include olga stefanyshina, people's deputy of ukraine , in the conversation , and let's talk about a very important matter in fact. ms. olga, welcome to our airwaves. good day. well, they made a decision, because of which they quarreled, quarreled, in fact, for a very long time, have legalized medical cannabis, and on the one hand, we can, as if some of our viewers do not know, cannabis is marijuana, on the other hand, it is medical, yes, it is essentially a medical drug that is needed by those who, due to certain diseases, have. terrible pains, and in fact this

substance can alleviate suffering, we argued for a long time and we should be happy now, but there are nuances, and actually we ask you to tell us about them, about those nuances that were not finalized , that were not taken into account when adopting this law? well, yes, i would like, first of all, to tell and congratulate everyone on this important, big one step by step, we really... fought a lot for this, the first draft of the law was registered in this convocation of the verkhovna rada three years ago, and there was really a lot of debate regarding medical cannabis, a lot of political manipulations, which are not really true, but today we can say that ukraine is moving towards the civilized world, many countries of the world, more than 50 have in their...

in their countries, this medical cannabis is already legalized, it is a treatment, for many patients, it is a salvation, and finally ukraine is joining the civilized world, that is why it very important. regarding the text itself, to be honest, it was a big disappointment for me that the european solidarity faction did not vote on it yesterday, in my opinion, the draft law is finalized, we worked on it for almost 3 months, and took into account more than 200 amendments by people 's deputies, by the way, i am very grateful to everyone who submitted amendments, and we made this bill better in several aspects: the first is supervision, observation, we detailed the possibilities for the state to control the process from... the moment when

the grain falls into the ground, and until the moment when the pill reaches the patient, that is, this whole process will take place under the supervision of the state, the national police of ukraine, the ministry of health, er, such plants will be grown in a strict regime, in greenhouses , it will be a closed ground, it will make it possible to control this activity, 24-hour video surveillance and access are also provided. for the national police if necessary, in addition, each pile will have a special unique barcode with which you can will actually understand these points , we talked about them on our broadcasts too, that this is important, and in fact, without it, it is really impossible to adopt such a law, but for example , we read iryna gerashchenko and she explains some more points that we wanted , to be taken into account and not taken into account, accordingly there are certain risks, for example, that... this cannabis can

be used for non-medical purposes, and mass industrial production, cultivation of hemp in ukraine will begin, in particular due to the fact that the costs of the electronic accounting system, accordingly , they cannot launch it on time, it will not work if there is no such accounting system, the law will not work as it should, and here we have production actually for sale, i want everyone to... understand that the faction european solidarity had full access to all the information about this draft law, the minister of health personally came to this faction on the eve of the vote, answered all the questions, including this one, and they know the answer very well, that the funds cannot be foreseen in budget when the law has not yet been passed, now it has been passed, and the minister of health personally promised iryna herashchenko and her colleagues that... there are

international funds within the framework of international projects, in which they already know how they will redistribute the funds in order to create such a register, that's why it actually exists, well, it's not from... what ms. iryna writes is true, i don't know why it's done, but it's true, huh, and i 'll tell you about another proud faction, i'm currently in their page, now the official party site, and here it is written, we now we can even show, yulia tymoshenko, the motherland will challenge the law on the legalization of marijuana in the constitutional court, that's how, that is, yulia volodymyrivna said the day before that there are only... two genders, the entire lgbt and genders they will abolish when they come to power, well and this law on the legalization of medical marijuana, they will appeal to the constitutional court, what will come of it,

moreover, they will block this law with regulations, then it will go to the constitutional court, well, but actually i think that... uh, we complied as much as possible of all norms, at the voting of the draft law did not violate the legislation of the constitution of ukraine, therefore, of course, it is their right as people's deputies to go and appeal, but i still hope that healthy flus will also win in the constitutional court, and this issue will not be slowed down in this way. look, we will carefully monitor this dialogue, we will be interested in what the lgbt will answer to yulia volodymyrivna, but this is different and... i have a question for you, and why did we go specifically for the legalization of medical cannabis, and not go the way, well, for example, canada or some states, about simple legalization, because what is sung about in ukrainian folklore is that she planted

hemp, and accordingly medical cannabis, this is a much more interesting case than the usual hard drugs that are already running around us, gol, tobacco, in principle, cannabis is the whole world culture of consumption, where ligalas was made, it is an incredible, incredible donation to the budgets of these states or individual countries, why didn't we go this way? and you know, i think that first of all ukraine should move step by step, and for us medical cannabis is already a huge step forward, so i as a person. who cheers for the medical field, for people who have serious illnesses and suffer a lot because they do not have access to normal pain relief, it was important for me to persuade our parliament to vote

for medical channels, maybe someday ukraine er, and will go the way of full recreation, but from what we have seen now... it was even medically difficult for us to legalize, but maybe, i say, step by step, ukraine will come to such decisions, for now, i think , this is already a big victory, well, after the declarations were postponed, now it is difficult to legalize even a purchased cabin with a swimming pool in a finished sleep, you understand, we are such a country in which everything is difficult to legalize, and we are still waiting for determined politicians who finally make smart decisions will press on despite the resistance of the dumb. materials, then in principle we should congratulate you on this adoption of this law, or sympathize, so purely humanly, how would you say? i think we should all understand that this is a great victory, a step forward, good news for people, and i personally will monitor how this

law will be implemented, so that patients receive their medicines as soon as possible. and has it already been determined, yes, or at least somewhere on the sidelines there are conversations about who will... supervise this huge project, who will control it, and where will all the threads converge? well, of course, the relevant ministry that should supervise this is the ministry of health, first of all, but of course, here we are also talking about law enforcement agencies, such as the national police, where control needs to be implemented, the ministry of health will usually involve a state doctor. service, which will become one of those bodies that, from a medical point of view, will keep records, surveillance, licensing, etc. yes, and i mean some, i don't know, specific person, specific enterprise, someone who will start this cultivation, this production, because

it is clear that the ministry of health has to watch out in the end, but they won't in the ministry or in hospitals , cannabis can be grown, of course, of course, and... any medical cannabis can be grown a company that will get a license from the state, and in order to get that license, that company has to... comply with a number of regulations, they are quite strict, as i said at the beginning, so i don't think that any which companies , individuals and so on, that is, it will be , well, probably some large companies that will decide to invest in such a business in ukraine, and which will then be implemented, and accordingly, pharmaceutical companies will be able to produce already from grown plants. olga, look, we often have good things

legislative field, but a very bad practice, now this abstract formula of translation in the history of ukraine for the last 30 years, well , for example, those who are supposed to fight against illegal drug trafficking are crushing it, there were many stories when mints were members of drug-dealing networks, when. .. it will be clearly written on paper who should grow and how, this will never prevent the appearance of dealers who will forge permits, documents and actually try to wedge themselves into this process by producing it illegally, we have the example of the story with the monopoly, pam you catch alcohol, when a bunch of artifact alcohol started to appear and companies that got to state excise stamps and sold almost... it as legal alcohol, that's the reality, that is, where are the safeguards in your law to prevent

this from happening, that things like this are going to start crushing cannabis on an industrial scale, and look , i think we all really understand, and actually, we know, now, yeah, and actually people now who suffer from pain, and from neurological diseases, they are already illegally imported into ukraine. medical cannabis it use or buy cannabis on the black market and try to numb the pain in this way. our task was precisely to turn the black market into a white market, to show how many people we have who need it and so that they can legally and absolutely transparently buy their medicines, knowing their quality, and not understanding what they bought there, or on on the black market, or as imported abroad, so this is the goal of... when we have clear rules, it is much easier to control them, because now there are no rules, and accordingly there are abuses, we

we want to remove these abuses, well, actually, you went the way that is called legalization, only in a separate case, because as soon as you legalized the sale of cannabis in those places, the market for illegal sales simply stupidly disappeared, because why, if you can go to there is some corner shop and you will be offered 30 types of cultivated plants with a certificate and controlled quality, well , the logic is clear, let's see how it will actually work in practice, it is very important that in practice it corresponds to everything that you lay down in the legislative initiative thank you for the explanation, ms. maria, olga stefanyshyn, people's deputy of ukraine, was like that, we have already started talking, because we have many guests today. and we will move on, we will continue to talk about matters that concern

not only ukraine, but also moldova, because the day before ukraine and moldova agreed that they would make crossing our common border a little easier, signed certain documents, now it will be a little easier, at least in those areas where we have a common border, because it is very close. contact us. sholar minister of defense of moldova in the future in the 15th and 16th years in the past. maybe in the future. mr. anatoly, we congratulate you. glory to ukraine. mrs. anatolia, the first thing i wanted to ask you and yesterday i read, critics. they criticize those who draw models that after the ukrainian-russian war there will be a military strike on the countries. nato, namely on the baltic countries, on the contrary, they wrote, the next strike

will be on moldova, there is a whole scenario, i will not recount in detail how much, as the minister of defense of moldova in the past, as you you are considering such a scenario that moldova will sadly join ukraine as a country attacked by russia, the russian fascist army, the republic. thanks to the ukrainian people of the ukrainian army , they withstood and pushed back the russian army from half of the occupied territories, and the republic of moldova was saved. after that, they moved on to the second plan, destabilization within the country, about the financing of pro-moscow parties, they wanted to cause popular

discontent, overthrow the legitimate government and by means of early elections in... establish in the moldavian pro-moscow government, but it didn’t work either, because the western special services and the ukrainian special services helped the moldovan special services, many of these putschists were arrested, a huge amount of money was confiscated, and we must not forget that they invested 50 million euros in just one hour in destabilization of the situation in moldova, and i... am sure that this business will continue, but so far they have not succeeded, they released this energy crisis, they wanted to cause huge popular dissatisfaction with the leadership of moldova, they blamed everything on them sins, and russia, we see that it does not abandon its plans to occupy moldova, russia has plans for many years

ahead, i do not know if russia will not disappear before it comes to fruition. other countries have had this in their dreams for a long time, in their plans, they are threatening the whole world until it succeeds, but even real actions are already being carried out, a few days ago putin signed a decree that simplifies the acquisition of russian citizenship for residents of several countries, among them moldova, and actually you don't have

to live in russia for 5 years, you don't have to... there, i don’t know, prove your knowledge of the russian language, it’s not even a simplification, there the option is that those who live in spheres of influence, that is, read in the soviet union, we will give them passports of the russian federation, and in fact the secretary of the nsdc of ukraine believes that this and the declaration of almost war, that is, that our oleksiy danilov, the secretary of the national security and defense council, said that kazakhstan and moldova have in fact already been declared war by such hybrid actions, how do you perceive it? in that the inhabitants of the left bank of the dniester, the so- called transnistria, they had long ago access to russian citizenship, they were hired in the border contingent of the russian army in transnistria and even the fifth column from the republic of moldova, they had access to obtaining this citizenship, for them it was not a problem who wanted to get it, they

got it so far, but now they lure them to russia. because they need cannon fodder, they don't want to conscript residents of moscow and big cities into the army, so as not to cause discontent, these useful idiots from the border countries of russia, it is possible to sacrifice them for the sake of putin's ideas, so those who wanted to go from moldova to russia, especially mostly russian-speaking ones, then... they have already left a long time ago, but this speaks of the problems that putin is facing now in implementing recruitment into the army, and moldova , i even suggested to ours to take off, to buy suitcases for them, who wants, please, russia is a big country, we can even help them with transport, so that they can go forever to their

native lands, we will not regret it for a long time, we promise that we will not be sad either ... you know, we thought so too and hoped that everyone who wanted to went, but now it turned out that there are many different types of canned goods, zhduns, those who do not mind the russian mir coming to ukraine or moldova, considering the ukrainian bitter. in fact, experience, some actions are already being taken in the direction of identifying, neutralizing, in order to protect ourselves from

a scenario similar to the ukrainian one, well, these are two different categories of people, those who are ready to make sacrifices, and those who only comment, those who they are waiting for the russian army, they are there, they are in ukraine, there are in moldova, there are even in the west european these countries are full of idiots , you can't do anything, nature is such that sometimes such mistakes of nature, such biowaste appear, they exist, but they are not ready to sacrifice for putin's sake, they call on others to sacrifice their lives for the sake of their ambitions, they exist, our service is safe everyone knows, many were brought to criminal responsibility, we passed a law on separatism this year. but so far they have not arrested anyone under this law, probably they are only conducting investigations and those who are called to supporting the war, all of them were taken into account,

probably gradually, gradually, so as not to cause such a big resonance, all of them will be brought to justice, because our government still has a lot of methods in reserve, we have. we are just running out of ethereal time for a moment, but i wanted to ask you, during these one and a half years, when the heated phase of the russian-ukrainian war is going on, have the moods in the gagauz changed from the point of view, they were always there for both the communists and the russians, how much did they get stronger there? weakened, because it was a rather important factor in moldovan internal politics. goguuz region, it was the most russified region, although compared to other nationalities that live on the territory

of moldova, they suffered the most from stalin's repressions, but they were russified, but recently many people began to understand that they were simply deceived and that they want to use them, now there are such stormy processes in the hogous region, when - even the people's elected officials, they rose up against the head of the region, against the chairman of their people's assembly, yesterday they conducted a search of this chairman, and the head of gguz is by law a member of the government, but he has not been approved yet, and the president of moldova said that we will not talk to a representative of a criminal group, so there is about. .. there will be very serious changes in the near future and the european union has warned them that you will not receive any help, any projects, absolutely nothing

will happen, and they did not receive from russia, even though they were promised an airport there, they were promised so many, so many of these to be built everywhere in gagauz, but so far nothing has been built, the people are now beginning to understand, but we need to work with the people slowly, confidently, every day. but always yes, we agree, thank you, mr. anatol, anatol sholaro, the former minister of defense of moldova was on our airwaves, and on this, roman and i will also say goodbye, we remind you once again about our collection, because we are collecting information for an important cause, join us , look for a peaceful and safe day on our page, take care of yourself and be sure to stay with espresso, and we'll be back tomorrow morning at 7. attention - an incredible new product from rozpak tv: super

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let's summarize the information. in the morning in ukraine , the news is on the air, khrystyna parobiy works in the studio. the new minister of foreign affairs of poland arrived in ukraine. radoslav sikorsky posted a photo on his social network showing mykhailo square in the center of kyiv. this is his first visit abroad after being elected to the post. the details are being kept secret for security reasons, writes the polish press. it is known that sikorskyi will meet with his ukrainian colleague dmytro kuleba and will also lay flowers.