i could not build relationships with individual companies for the last three years, for example, here i managed to break through this, let's say, wall, and i would like to, well, this is really good news, because it says that there is systemic interaction and there are prospects finally in the flesh specific projects that are absolutely necessary for the armed forces, and how exactly does the ministry of defense respond to this need to expand the direction of rtr, reb, are they now so... such active players who really, well, respond to those new opportunities that can provide your company for the account of the increase in orders and so on, well it was announced last month at least, there was a good event jointly organized by the ministry of defense and the ministry of strategy and industry, at which the vector for capacity building was announced, just like that, and to be honest, is n't it... the first thing i see systemicity,

a sequence that can weave into systemicity, i am very cautious with modest optimism in this case, but for now it looks like there is a certain systemic movement in the direction, and the ministry of defense is trying to build, let's say, mechanisms, how to implement capabilities of each company in order to close the glaring... needs of our armed forces within the production from within the country in the first place, that is, to support our economy, our manufacturers, to provide you and to use all the available capabilities of companies and the industrial sector to the maximum, it is very , let's say this, an innovative and interesting approach, we will see how it develops, well, that is, we are talking about the fact that now the ministry of defense is ready to purchase all high-quality or e.

active, which, which our companies can produce, or produce serially, or in the format of experimental samples, it is about this, and yes, that is, a number of measures were carried out, as for the simplification of procedures, not all of them were, well, like any activity, it is not always possible to do something without errors , let's see, and from january 1 , a completely new procedure will be in effect, we will see , i would like to ask, ask about one more project that is extremely important, technologically relevant, by this i mean the completion of work or the continuation of work on the creation of the rtr complex developments of air bases hecate, because as i understand it, it will be able to detect anything that has radiation, and why i mentioned hecate, because now the question of detection comes up. russian s300

, s400, which, relatively speaking, are now using their missiles to attack our peaceful cities, and the question arises that it is necessary to carry out such, well, active measures to search for and destroy russian air defense systems, on the basis of this, the gkt is suitable as a unique solution, which with this project now, at which stage we are, and now there is an internal trial operation. already from the prototype of the sample within the company with limited application , and for the solution of so-called practical problems, that is, we have already left the ground and , let's say, we are gaining height in this project, but as in any experimental sample , the first problems were discovered, ah, the first is the need for framing, etc., but again... i hope that in january there will be

news that will resonate pleasantly in the heart of every ukrainian regarding this project, and our industry as a whole, again related to cooperation with large companies , i.e foreign companies will enter this project, whether this project has already been confirmed or denied, when we can expect that, relatively speaking, gk'. will begin to detect russian air defense systems near our borders, even in an experimental version, can we say that it will be there in january-february , we can already search, we can already destroy them in other ways, the first results have already been obtained in this process, and the only thing we are saying now is not about a complete system, we are talking about a separate device, and there must be a certain number of them in the air at the same time, ah, but already... the first, let's say, signals have been

received, processed, and we are further building up our capabilities in order, i repeat, to resolve the entire chain from the full situational one. awareness, i.e. providing a representation of the coordinates of enemy ground stations in real time, so that it is possible to flexibly plan means of defeat. mr. yaroslav, whether the participation of powerful foreign companies, as i understand it, certainly concerns a certain unique elemental base and system supplies of this elemental base so that we can to scale production, in this the need for the participation of our foreign ones. no, we passed this stage, it was necessary about five years ago, we learned to live without these unique components and live quite well, and in principle the flight systems confirm this, here we are talking about the fact that

if we talk about that we have some developments that are already in ukraine and can be produced here, and that... it is possible to more easily obtain certain western systems that were not supplied to ukraine before, because they were under export restrictions, due to the fact , that in complex, this system is very unique, and if you throw out what is already in ukraine and install the rest, then it is possible, that's why we are talking about interesting projects that all... january. mr. yaroslav, thank you very much for the explanation, for what your company does for the state and for our armed forces. we expect that in january we will continue communication already when these announcements acquire such certain concrete signs. thank you for the inclusion, i will remind our viewers that it

was yaroslav kalinin, the director of the company no. production center of information protection, which has sufficient and we see significant experience in order for powerful americans... european companies saw in information protection such a reliable system partner for creating new types of weapons for the needs of the armed forces of ukraine. and then we will talk about another direction of development of our defense and industrial capabilities, we will talk about protection technologies for our fighters, how to make sure that our soldiers are provided with the best body armor, but this is after the advertising and information block. attention - an incredible novelty from rozpak. super warm and very comfortable alaska stayle boots. perfect fit, water-repellent material and a feeling of warmth even in 30-degree frost. alaska style boots have a universal design and practical black color. therefore

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changes in their design and construction, their production in ukraine, and whether it is possible to make sure that our soldiers have the best body armor in general, where is the line between the best , normal and bad body armor, and we will now talk about this topic with our next guest, serhiy minnyaluk joins us, he is the founder and head of the well-known khmelnytskyi company welmet, which manufactures tools. of defense, who are in demand and respected by our military, mr. serhiy, i congratulate you, i am glad to see and hear, in turn, first of all, i want to convey words of thanks to the military, boys and girls, who give you and i the opportunity to talk now and, well, promise that we will continue to help them, develop and try to make those products that will better save their lives and health, well, this is an absolutely correct remark, because due to the fact that we... in the rear, everyone does what is needed for the front, but still on the line the front is much

more difficult, all the risks are concentrated there, and each of us should remember that. and i would like to ask you, as a professional, whether this is our war with the russian aggressor, whether it is so unique that it creates some new requirements and features for personal protective equipment, be it bulletproof vests or helmets, are there any... unique things that affect the formation of new requirements, look, everything that was in the world before this, well , let's take the last decade, yes, that is , the threats that we have in this war, in there was no plus-minus in the world, because all standards, even if we will implement them conditionally from the usa, from europe, it must be understood that their armies did not participate. in an armed conflict of such a level, of such intensity, with such threats, with so much

use of artillery and other means damage, well, even to the example of the same resets that did not exist, were not applied before, that is, in my opinion, everything that was before this needs to be adapted to what we have now in order for it to be effective, well , that is, in fact, we we now have to formulate requirements for... means of protection that are quite unique and not comparable to those used in the armies of other countries, and then i have a question that it seems that in the summer of this year the ministry of defense announced that it had adopted new bulletproof vests and helmets and, as i understand it, on the basis of new requirements for protective equipment, when ukraine was developing... these requirements for bulletproof vests, what was taken as a basis there, following the best

examples of foreign developers, technological limitations, the cost of a bulletproof vest, what indicators were included in the basis for the requirements according to which now, well, the ministry of defense there purchases body armor, look, well, i will be moderate in my criticism here in order not to stir up any bad emotions, i will simply say that in my opinion that document is not not completely... professional, and it is not based on the technological capabilities of manufacturers in ukraine, nor on the availability of raw materials, nor on the analysis of challenges and threats that were, that is, well, uh, this work, you know, it would have be done differently, it had to be based on the mobilization fund, they had to understand who will use it, who will use that armor, under what conditions, well, and... the main thing is that it should provide real protection, i will give a simple story, i am very strong criticized that

document and i did not take part in the experimental reproductions of it the product that was mentioned in that document was not at the meeting in the ministry of defense and tried to convey those thoughts, but unfortunately without success, let's just take a simple story, we have a conditional product for size m, for example, a guy like me, who the body armor itself will weigh there. 13.5 kg, we add another helmet and a half, we add another weapon, we add a bull, we add something else, we get 37 kg, and here is a conditionally mobilized person without physical training. there for several years we take, put on 37 kg and try, to set a task for her to perform, and in my opinion, it will be very difficult for an unprepared person to perform any task in and with such a weight, accordingly , we did not fulfill the goal that we set before ourselves when developing the document, such as providing protection for a serviceman, fulfilled it only in terms of the fact that we can visit upstairs and say: we

purchased, we developed, we can say about it, no more than that, but effectiveness, well, effectiveness of reprimand. there is no question of this task, because in fact we gave protection to a person who will not help him, accordingly, we exposed him to danger, and in my opinion, this is a crime, that is, it is a crime, because it directly affects the defense capability of the country, we wrote letters to the national security council, to the industrious, to the president, throughout this history they wrote that there is a critical problem, please pay attention, well, let's say so, a little unsuccessfully, but it is necessary to talk about it, it is necessary to... change, because it affects the achievement of victory and its price , if we do not try to use some, well, introduce innovations, implement bypassing our enemy not on a direct road, where, let's say, we won't pull out on the resource, but by some other ways there, well, that means

the price of victory will be very high for us and sergey, i'm melting, i'm just trying to calculate the mass of the bulletproof vest. say, somewhere in the range of 12 kg body armor, a helmet somewhere 2 kg, 37 kg, where does it come from, look, we have weapons, we have the number of bulls, we have grenades, so you have to carry with you other means of defeat , and that's all rps, well, like the unloading system, that's all well in principle, i am calculating this whole story, it will be in the type with full downloads. yes, some kind of property , that is, we are talking about moving to a position, we are conducting some marching stories, that is , this weight will be gained there, that is, we even provided a letter to her provided a letter to the center for the development of escorts of the ministry of defense from military units, where the military themselves wrote from from the experience of combat operations, that it will be very difficult for us to carry out combat tasks and it

is written there in this letter, by the way, where does this weight come from, it will be very difficult for us. to use to perform these combat tasks , we need the maximum weight of the body armor to be 8 kg, that is, that is why these 4 kg actually are, well, they matter, that is, if you take the weight, well, for cartridges, there is one spare magazine, i don’t remember exactly, let it be 300 g, well, imagine how many cartridges you can take with you to save money on the harrow, although you have to look at the design whether all the elements and the whole structure, which adds weight and adds value, really work, that is... the document is still imperfect in my opinion by the way another document appeared, modular and different from non-modular and lightened , it differs from armored modular only in that it does not have protrusions that i criticized under the armored plate, everything else remained the same and also in my opinion it would not quite have the right to life in these conditions, what is in principle the structure itself, if we

do not reform it and change it, it will not lead to anything good, that is, i think that the lack of personnel hunger is due to the presence of professional people in any direction, that is, to analyze purchases on a transparent basis, what is going on and the technical requirements that are written there, it just chills the back, that is , the lack of personnel in the people who make decisions and the plus in the system of people who make decisions, even about this very vest and most importantly, the lack of responsibility for these decisions, that is i am not responsible, no, you can make any decision to consider any means of protection appropriate, but it... has consequences, it has consequences in a healthy life, serhiy, as i understand it, we should strive for the bulletproof vest to weigh us within the limits there, 8 kg, which is the weight of the best american body armor there, for this we need to switch to ceramic plates, which weigh less, provide a higher level of protection efficiency and prepare body armor

for the specifics of use in certain types and types of troops. taking into account all these nuances, this is how it looks, well, in principle, yes , but now you understand, right now there is no such clear division there, that is , special forces, not special forces, all the intensity of hostilities, the conditions in which they are used, they are plus or minus equals this one, well, that is , there are no such special, even special requirements for means of protection, it is clear that if a person is going to stand somewhere tentatively in the rear at a checkpoint, then there may be another... protection, if we are talking specifically about combat operations, then it is important weight is very important and convenience is also important, because weight gives mobility, with the intensity of shelling you can be armored. ban the whole thing from the bottom to the head, we have, by the way, such suits where you can ban a person completely, that is, up to 97% of the body, but he loses mobility, that is, he becomes, well, that is, when

it cannot hide from a projectile hit conditionally at a long distance, that is , not only the design itself is needed, the weight must be convenient, the weight must be to ensure mobility, this will increase the survivability of the personnel , it will reduce losses, well, plus , you need to have a system analysis, that is i will now ask... i will ask the following question, i wonder if there is such a document that would compile statistics of injuries or deaths of servicemen for the beginning of a full-scale invasion, this is the main document that should have lead to the appearance of other documents in the form of technical conditions for the withdrawal of bulletproof vests or something else, that is, a close connection with military personnel, those who perform combat tasks, because we have a big gap between the kyiv cabinet and conditionally, i say the previous time, conditionally military service at the khmelnytskyi garrison or in any other, that is, and it should not be this one, what the guys say, what they need, they should be given it, and then they will have the first thing, and the opportunity

to effectively perform a combat mission, well and the second will be no less possible, there will be an understanding that they are cared for and heard, i.e., what if a boy with an injured back from the 14th year receives a body armor weighing 13 kg and he understands that there is no weight in it, he cannot perform combat tasks , put it in the closet and the salary goes... guys like me have what he needs, well, or other guys there, it's also an emotional component, well, a person thinks, well, that's it it turns out, and now i have to go for it , it shouldn't be like that, that is, we have it like this, i just i know that your people are really in demand among the military, and they want to buy your body armor because they are lighter, they provide the necessary level of protection, but the ministry of defense has not approved your body armor for some time. precisely because of the fact that it is, they do not meet the new requirements introduced by the standards of the ministry of defense, is this how it looks? no, it looks like, in fact, the ministry

of defense never purchased my body armor, i have 32 products of my own, which we handed over, developed the technical conditions and presented to the ministry of defense, they were for special operations forces, everything that is available on the website of the ministry of defense, almost all that is written like this is a type of special property, there is a type of equipment, system unloading. we donated these clothes for the ministry of defense , just for the special operations forces, and besides the fact that it was donated, it was almost never, well, it was never purchased on a large scale, massively by the ministry of defense, due to the fact that at some points we did not did not want to participate in all these stories bureaucratic, it was incomprehensible to me and, well, in principle, i will probably never take part in it in the future, and everything that is purchased from me, it is purchased by guys at the expense of... or somewhere with charitable organizations, or somewhere in rare cases military units, when the commander understands that this is exactly what he needs, and he has the opportunity to quickly carry out this procurement there, i will tell you, the question is not that

there are any moments in the ministry of defense itself, the main question is that this elevator is missing, for example, i developed something effective, for example , there is an armored element that will critically help us in this war, but i just don’t have it... the mechanism to put it on the market and for the state to buy it for the boys so that they don’t buy it with their own money this mechanism does not exist at the moment, maybe it will appear later, there is a bureau of public procurement, there is another story, or an office, i don't know, everything will be there, everything is declared ok there, but at the moment, for example, in i have a very good armored element, but it could save someone's life and health, but not me i can, but i can't even imagine what the mechanism would be. transparent, on speaking, transparent , so that i can come, offer, and when you communicate with someone, so that she does not look at you, as my late grandmother used to say, like a ram to a new gate, and for you to speak, to say, this is really

necessary, this is such a weight, this is such a story , well, i don’t have such a mechanism at the moment , it’s not just me, not all manufacturers, i think that there are no manufacturers, such a mechanism of drone manufacturers, there is no such mechanism of manufacturers of other equipment, it’s all if well, we still live with some... delivery moments and we have an enemy on the side, also with delivery moments, but we now critically need to develop a system where all these initiatives, if it is really useful, can really help them find their implementation, because in fact we will work for victory, create something new that will speed up this victory and reduce losses, reduce its price, mr. sergey, in fact, i still have a lot of questions left for the next conversations with you, i will remind our viewers that this was... the manager of the well-known company velmet, which supplies our military with high-quality and competitive body armor, we hope that...

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news time on the espresso tv channel, in the studio of iryna koval, greetings to everyone. one person died, five more were injured as a result of enemy shelling in donetsk region. this is reported by the regional prosecutor's office. at noon , the russians dropped guided aerial bombs on the city of toretsk and the village of katerynivka. artillery was used in the pokrovsky district. residential buildings were destroyed as a result of shelling.