this is black on white, this is upside down, the other one should be ashamed , not that i am even saying, who did not let her out, who hid her own, and now she can live here not only in a russian concentration camp, because this person left , we have to introduce these conversations, and now the president, in my opinion, began to talk about it, carefully, very, very carefully, but this question about mobilization and the answer to it, it was serious, it was not like... putin's , what a mobilization, you don’t have to sit down, no, it was that the military is asking for half a million people, but for the economy, this is the first thing, two, you have to pay taxes, this was the interim period, there was an interim period, you have to pay taxes during the war, and that is very important, especially when external support may be decreasing, so these are important things for how we as a society are going to get through this war , all together.

as one society economically, humanly, and militarily, and for me the conference was about that, the press conference, let's leave it as an announcement of the next block, mr. maksym, your impressions of the president, the presidential conference, i got the feeling that this conference was about the need for ukrainian society to grow up, because there are no simple answers to complex questions, there is no need to please someone, sometimes there is not the kind of reaction that journalists can expect, because people... who answer have a little more context, to put it mildly, and an understanding of what is actually happening, and you know, i will note, perhaps, the factor that 2/3 of the questions from international journalists concerned the terms of the end of the war, and whether they are ready for some kind of negotiations, and what to do with lack of weapons, let's maybe talk about that, and talk and do you think we will lose, and look for ways to come to an agreement with russia, and the actual answers to these questions showed... that to go

straight, somehow find a detour , kill some cheat code, sorry, in order to get some goal will not work, war is a very difficult business, in it no one can see the final prediction and say that everything will definitely be fine, so you can relax, so i it seems that the key idea was that ukrainian society, and the journalistic community, and some representatives of the authorities must grow up and understand that this is a question of the survival of the country, it is an existential question for our state. the only funny question from international journalists was when boryspil will be operational and mom will arrive, but nevertheless it had a very interesting answer, not an easy one, and i hope that we will also talk about it, how it will be possible, the approaching chevorons ... victory, before we

went, we drew lots, and pretend to me every time the devil came across, and i did something, well, i don't know, i wanted to be an angel for some reason, and we also went, i was the oldest, i got together, i said, well, who will be the king, well, who, who, kolya, well, you, well, so mozar, coal. and what did you want to be? who did you want to be? a miner? come on, what are you doing, good evening, we are from ukraine, generous, generous, generous, a swallow has flown in, it has become itself, we were born. well, it's great, and your king is correct,

but no, you don't have to, we do, it's simple. rules of a warm country. household appliances. on behalf of the vacuum cleaner, thank you for allowing it to hibernate. useful for health wet cleaning and your care warms. let's beat the winter together. well, we continue our discussion. the topic we announced.

mobilization, what should it look like, how much of it can we afford, we heard the figure of 5,000 that the front is asking for, and we heard the figure, six civilians feed one. and for these 500,000 additional mobilized people, we need an additional 3 million people who pay taxes, one of you said that it was very mildly said about taxes, but the amount of 500 billion uah in addition, well, where exactly should we take it, can we somehow count on it, and can we afford not to take it, again here the question is salary 100, hryvnias, yes, but if we just count... then mathematically, if we just count only in salary , then this is 10 months of service, for these 500 thousand mobilized i don’t quite understand, i mean a monthly salary, yes, that’s easier for me, yes a monthly salary of uah 100,000, who are you at the front at zero, yes, yes, of those, who is at the front

at zero, so it is, for example, if we, i simplify like this, take five people who work, they have to pay 20,000 in taxes, and this is not pension. isv, huh, and this is the real 18%, or with fo, if they pay this 5% from the fop, i don’t know what the earnings should be, are there even those fops, so that 5% would be 20 thousand dollars, well, you understand, yes, that is, taxes will have to be paid, and this is still very mildly said that six people are needed, in today's conditions, when, for example, the salary, well, let's be honest, there are official ones, there are unofficial ones, yes, there are official ones, there are fops, there are even. cash, yes, how many real taxes are paid there from the average salary the minimum is 20,000, for example, let’s take the average, i’m just actually overestimating , yes, of 2,000, there are definitely no taxes of 2,000, and of course you understand there, if there are 3-400

, well , that means in fact many more people need or need to raise taxes. to put it mildly, if we start counting, it will not go down. does not agree, these five people with 20,000 each can provide one person with a salary of zero, but this is not the case, but not all of us pay 20,000, and our salaries are not at the same level, even if put all salaries in the white, still the average salary will be less, that is, it is actually expensive for the economy, we have the support of european partners, we have the support of the united states of america, we have many other countries, for example, australia, japan. eh, well, japan, others, they are not in the future, but the european union and the united states of america are in the future, and therefore this issue is already becoming an adult, yes, if earlier we just gave money according to the schedule, now we see how much

this issue is dragging on, even it, i am convinced that the money will be allocated, well that is, because of what i see in political conversations through acquaintances and colleagues in the world. but the delay, and the delay means that we will have to pay part of it, that's why this conversation about the military economy, about taxes, about the fact that we love talking about keynes, for example, in ukraine, yes, about the fact that monetary policy can stimulate the economy, here keynes taught, but keynes also wrote a book about how during the great second world war, that great war, great britain had to finance itself, and there is a completely different keynes, a completely different keynes, he says that imports, those pounds that they have, should only be discussed next, because this is an important topic, and

there are many questions about this, why russia has transferred its economy to military rails, and they are overwhelming us drones, and we are still collecting translations, but let's talk, look, zelensky said this. the correct thing is that the indicators articulated by the military must be substantiated with something. i once commented on weapons in one of the broadcasts, again with colleagues and with the military, and one of the military said to me: a military man will never say that he has enough weapons or ammo, well, of course, yes , because everyone is guided by logic: the more, the better, and you can understand, i think that the same logic... determines the number of military personnel , the more the better, why? because, again, quantity turns into quality, that is, it is clear that at each of the stages of mobilization, starting from registration, at the stage of mobilization, there is already direct involvement in the army at the stage

of training, at the stage of transition from training to regular units, at the stage of transition with regular units into the combat zone, there will still be a loss. someone with potential, well, the loss is not in the sense of death, the loss is just like, to put it roughly, a boy from the usa to the national football team of ukraine, yes, that is, a long way in the usa as well. many come, and only a few reach the level of a player of the national team, so it is clear that there is a desire to have as large a sample as possible in order to choose the most functional, the most prepared, or the best material for training, that is, this logic is clear and completely natural, that the military are guided by it. zelensky , in turn, understands that this process does not take place in a vacuum, as mr. tymofiy said, well , it must be reinforced also... strongly, it must be reinforced by other social processes, i always

say when i am asked this : listen, who doesn't understand what this is about, now come home, download any strategy game to your computer, you can start with the ukrainian cossacks, ugh, and just try to win any company, yes just by producing troops, and having no gold well, not having mines, not having, in short, peasants and similar things, i am very simple about it. you understand the scheme, it is clear that reality is much more complicated, because in the game you generate these cossacks, they are killed, they do not have families, they do not have children, they do not have, to put it roughly, people who need social benefits, yes, that is , it is a much simpler model than in reality, so zelensky rightly says that it is necessary to see reasonable plans on the one hand, and on the other hand to adjust these plans based on our ability to support this infrastructure. well, i don’t think zelensky’s support, did he

say exactly the same that no matter how wrong it is, that i have to find this money, i have to find these funds somewhere, which means that he will look for these funds abroad , and look, i think that mr. tymofiy can confirm this, the ukrainian economy this year showed growth of more than 5%, such a very peaceful time did not always show such growth, and why do you think? well, because actually the ukrainian economy is pumped with money, well, because actually the military personnel who receive these payments, they then spend them, well, they go, roughly speaking, to the bazaar, well , families, that is, this money creates internal demand, this internal demand is satisfied, in particular to a large extent at the expense of internal and external borrowings, this is the state , well, you understand what's going on, the state borrows, but then the state sector pays the state's salary. definitely, definitely, and i will tell you more that, in fact, the entire

military bloc, in fact, is going from there, that is, the ukrainian economy is not actually able to bear such a burden right now, well that is, it's a harsh truth of life , but that doesn't mean that we should just accept it as a given, you know, fold our paws, in short, and wait, well, okay, in short, what, well, yes, i like your optimism, so no, yes my optimism is precisely based on the fact that this is what we say. or there is self-sufficiency, the question is how in the current conditions, zelensky, by the way, also said this, and our partners are now talking, they are saying, we must now contribute to ukraine becoming more capable of self-sufficiency do, they've matured, you know, to at a certain stage, put it another way, can we afford not to raise that 500 00 and not fund it, no, we can't, we can't, because then everybody else... uh , you know, if you are not able to protect your mines, yes in this strategic game, your mines will be captured by your

opponent and these mines will work for him, so the problem is that we like it, we don't like it, the priority will be to solve military and the satisfaction of military objectives, and i surrender i already mentioned, my grandfather, who went to the second world war, he always told me, i understand that he was a product of that system, but he always said that the best chances of survival in the conditions of war are military personnel. why, because military personnel are the only thing that has the greatest value in the conditions of war, the value of all others is determined by the extent to which, no, no, well, this is a soviet thesis, this is even a soviet thesis, that is, well, i say that this is my child , i didn't say i'm sharing, i'm just saying, i'm just taking it to the point, no i completely agree with the position, and i don’t completely agree either, but i just repeat that if someone thinks that today we can sacrifice and... the interests of the military, for the sake of those who sit in the veranda on the dnieper, smoking hookah, for

them to be comfortable, then this will not be the case, most likely the state will be inclined and doomed to sacrifice the interests of all those who are tired of the war and do not want to fulfill their civic duties in favor of those who fulfill these duties or are ready to fulfill them, that's why i i am leading, it is not a question, you know , whether you like it or not, there is a logic of forced decisions, and the logic of forced decisions will push us to the fact that the priority will still be the provision of the national security and defense sector, in particular in that part which... concerns personnel potential, period, they should be a priority, everything else, well, determine their value by the extent to which they contribute to the achievement of this goal, sorry, including me and my colleagues, mr. maksym, to you as a question for a political scientist , you know, there's more, well, what what makes this problem so painful is

the number of scandals it is accompanied by, yesterday or the day before yesterday we had this story about the odesa military commissar, which does not hurt mobiles. there they fucked some dude, and there today this story has some kind of strange distribution, it just opened, well, again the news, the information about the serving of summons to the players of fc obolon is not true, the statement of the club, that is, in order to settle this whole story in such a calm, emotional level in order to develop the only rules of the game, we are waiting for that law , which we have been called so much already, which is called the law on mobilization, some call it the law on demobilization, and the law of the rules of the game, the legislation is... an important moment, because we still have many norms left, even registered in the soviet union , the legislation was also transferred to us, and you know, in this context, i am more concerned that for some reason it seems that the representatives of the military commissariat there and the delivery of a summons are the biggest punishment for people, very often they are intimidated by it, there sometimes employees the police stop people somewhere on the street who walk there after the curfew

and scare them by saying that you will receive a summons or people who have committed a crime are also told that you will. maxim, there are real patrols of some sort that check documents, and then there are smugglers running around, that 's what the policemen are trying to stop you, they don't approach the car, they approach, there are procedural violations, that is, the policeman cannot stop, and at the same time issue a summons or give documents to another person , which does it instead, that is, there is procedural problems, and there are problems with the way this system works now, i beg your pardon, what are those who say that not everything is unfair, everything is unfair, actually hitting on?

with a useful well, the poachers caught the criminals , remove this emotional layer, how to make the rules of the game clear, i believe that the emotional layer will be in any case, no matter how much we want it, because this is a matter of war, but not every day and not every society is faced with similar problems, there should simply be rules of the game, which will be clearly spelled out and in addition to those spelled out are carried out in real life, according to specific rules, when people are not afraid to go out there, but know that they can receive a summons, they must go to the... territorial collection center and at least verify their information, this is important a component of that, to level the situation, i will say more, but it seems to me that now the new recruiting campaign, which was started by the ministry of defense, together with individual companies, is very productive and progressive, why? because she explains war from a slightly different point of view, not necessarily after receiving a summons and actually being called

to military units before hostilities, a person will really sit with a machine gun in a trench. and shoot at the enemy, there are many other specialties that are critically needed today for the ukrainian army, these are people who work and repair cars, these are people who solder fp buckets, sorry, these are people who are needed today like no other sometimes, so that the lack of resources is huge, the need for hands is serious, and at the same time there is a feeling the fact that the summons is a punishment, you need to hide and the person who leaves must die, isn't it, but these are two parallel tracks that operate? at the same time, these summonses and some kind of punitive system, well, it just smells dirty, i’m not against the fact that people have to defend their state, they really do, but this story with those who are caught, it really just looks very bad, and the recruiting system is that, and someone of the military i

think said that the recruiting system will not cover all mobilization needs, that budano said this week that... recruiting is ok, but the numbers that are needed , it's unrealistic, i think he has enough, well, a lot of facts and data to back it up, so not everyone wants to fight, everyone, not everyone, not everyone is not afraid, i was recently in the military committee, there are people sitting there who received summonses, and they are very sad, ugh, that's it... and yes, i agree that there are many professions, but there is also a need to be in the trenches, that's what, and i think , that we... as a society, we will become militarized, uh, both during the war and after the war, and the better we are, well, i have an acquaintance there, she teaches, and she

is learning to be in the military, and she came up to me the other day and asked me to use the admin resource to get her into the military, uh, i realize that's not the majority of people, but it's definitely not true that there aren't... people , who today are not preparing for the army and are not ready, they don’t want to, i have many acquaintances, but you can ask such a question, we see how the occupier works, yes, they just pour money into the system, their country, they constantly raise this monetary support , and they really have, there are queues, maybe small ones, thank god, but they have enough people who want to fight for this money, how realistic is it for ukraine to raise the money supply? for an artilleryman of a complex modern system for a leopard driver, well, i am not talking about pilots, this method can solve or increase

the scale of recruitment, i will say, as budanov said, it will partially help, but fundamentally it will not cover all the need, but it definitely will not, but , that to us, well, psychology tells us that it is better for a person to accept the risk. if she knows something about him, imagine you sit down in car, drive it in the center of kyiv city, if you don't have a clue, it's very scary, ugh, very scary, and you will most likely get into an accident quite quickly, and either someone will shout at you, and it will be psychological trauma, but if you will take the courses, prepare, then you will be able to travel around kyiv, and human psychology is also in this, i am afraid, as a person... i am afraid as a civilian, but i learn to shoot a little there, i talk to people who show me , like where is safety, where is danger, what mistakes to make, i drove a little, looked closer

to the front, to some units, and i don’t feel so scared, i understand that it doesn’t matter, i spoke with a military man today, when he told his experience, how they got into the first battle, huh, he says it’s scary, yes, and many people died, and until you have that experience, you won't be able to... that's why i think we have not only a question of money, not only a question of rules, by the way, rules are very important, because there is a question of justice, everyone understands, that war, but the question is whether there is someone for whom the rules are a little more correct, and for whom the rules are less. in fact, there are rumors there are scandals, yes, there are somewhere, maybe

it is not systemic, but this problem is there, someone can solve something, maybe an acquaintance, it is isolated, not episodic, but it is there, and it is necessary that such a thing does not happen, here, but in addition to this , i think that everyone should be adults, sincere to themselves and prepare to fight, at least be able to. some basic tactical medicine, to be able to shoot, to be able to understand there, how to behave in certain situations, this is what every citizen of ukraine should know today, i also wanted to say about financial support, increasing it, will it affect somehow the situation, the fact is that a lot of people communicate with the military, even those who stand at zero receive 100 hryvnias, this is manna from heaven, as someone says, what do you get there, in fact, small money for such a risk to life and health, yes these people... spend the lion's share of this money in order to buy ammunition, weapons, cars, fill it with fuel, buy cartridges in ukraine and then fight, that is, these are

the people who sometimes come to nothing, because they do not have the ability to pay for all one's needs or receive them from the state, and that's it in this context, the question of the self-sufficiency of the ukrainian state in general in the context of the war is very important. actually, if we follow what different internationals are doing now. aid projects in ukraine , they try to strengthen the capacity of individual communities so that they can generate resources, open businesses, attract investments, they try to create social enterprises that can also cover the needs of a certain segment of the population, individual people, in order for the ukrainian state to be capable close your needs independently, and actually in the context weapons production, the situation is exactly the same , maksym, thank you for bringing us to this topic, we promised to talk about the economy of war, the economy of the military... a whirlwind, we hear a lot of criticism that this has not been done, that , that ukraine lives in pre-war economic realities, the fact that, if we switch to military rails,

drones will still be lying at us at every corner, at least the issue of shells, maybe on the 155th shell, and there are smaller ones, yes, less rare , we can definitely close what this concept means the economy of the war, which should radically change, okay, there are at least three barriers, the first is what is called time to market, the moment, that is, there are many teams that do it essentially in garages, well, in the classical sense. in the garage they came up with a super cool drone, well, it’s not exactly a garage , it could be a hangar, yes, listen, we had a fighter of the third assault unit here, who talked about the guys that they barely knelt down there and they protested there, here they say yes, most are done by volunteers, okay, that's all okay, the question is how to help such teams to produce not three a day, but 30 a day, and for it to be a lot, and at that time... a real

problem, if it is to set up a production line, well, where near kyiv or uzhgorod, yes, then it will be bombed, huh, that is, there are such logistical operational challenges, and yes, there are certain underground rooms left from the soviet union, but they are not endless, and not all the infrastructure is there, there is electricity, for example, logistics, yes, that is where you can make a rocket, huh. long, it is not a tiny drone fvi, but here is where you can make a mass-produced rocket to ballistics did not fly there tomorrow , that is, there are challenges, the government is working on them, but here it is more difficult for us than in russia, because they are building a plant somewhere in tatarstan, a gigafactory, we have no weapons and our allies do not want, you know, in in quotation marks, to escalate, and they built it where

we cannot... we can get to them and they build these lancets and kill and kill simply at the front, everything is carried out with lancets, and if we build such a gigafactory, it will be blown up with the same lancets , if it is close to the front, problem number, problem number two, this is a state order, during the war , a military economy, war rails, this means that the market economy does not quite work, price signals are not given, there is no arms market.

it is overloaded, it solves the problems that are needed for yesterday, it does not have the capacity, well, there are people who think, but it is not there, these are three problems, i would say, financing, logistical problems and problems of technology, planning, they of course limit us , compared to the russians, where they take one. a project into which public money is poured, they are building it for siberia, conditionally, yes, for yes , for the urals, do what you want, it turned out well, it didn't work out, do something else, yes, and we simply have a more difficult situation, because there is less country, less funding, well, objectively less, and these problems are solved, the government is working on them, i would also like to know, people have a misunderstanding, they think that the war economy is like

now where... the plan, uh, and they closed all the cafes, yes, absolutely there is an idea, well, well, well, imagine a state that will decide for you coffee, ugh, well, you understand, yes, that is, there is today's mechanism is when the state decides exactly what is needed for defense, well, for the army, everything else is a private market, the only thing that really is these verandas, this is consumption, which, well, in principle is inappropriate. the high consumption of the rich during the war must be gradually reduced because they...