thank you, mr. igor, and we still have literally one and a half to two minutes before mr. andres, i have a question, do you think there will be more scholz, how long will scholz's efforts be enough, maybe with macron or with the italians in kupa, to drink orbán with coffee, does this latest case already open the way for us to the eu, but all his words to his voters that he still... will have the opportunity to block ukraine's path to the eu, it's simple, well , i had to say something when i returned home , literally one and a half minutes, i will ask you, but in principle something will not fail there block, he can still be such a spoiler and create certain barricades for ukraine for a while, but now the main decision has already been made.

this is the decision that we had now in december of the european council, and there will be many more such decisions, they counted somewhere, there will be 70 such decisions and hungary will also have a vote there, but this is already a second order, well, a second order decision, and i can't imagine that there will be any. some big problems, in any case, it is necessary to say that here too in fact, ukraine has an association agreement, and the association agreement, well , most of the same things are already written there that ukraine must do to join the european union, this is a fundamentally different situation than in other countries that previously joined the european union, they did not have such... such a large agreement on

association as ukraine, moldova and georgia, that is, the instrument of preparation for accession has already been in place since the 14th year, and this decision, therefore these decisions, they now have only symbolic such meanings , because well prepare for admission is possible even without these negotiations. thank you, mr. andras, yes, unfortunately. we have to say goodbye andreas umland analyst at the stockholm center for eastern european studies, 10 seconds to confirm, agree or disagree, you know, totally agree, no questions, but there are always buts, and it's called doing this homework, as far as we are able to do in the conditions that to us, thank you, igor kazii was with us, well, thank you for being there, watching espresso, the marathon on our channel continues, yes, andriy and i. we say goodbye peacefully, as far as it is

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greetings, my name is khrystyna yatskiv, and espresso continues the cycle of our christmas and new year interviews, in which we kick things off. it's 2023 and we're talking about some visions at least for 2024. for many, the end of the 23rd year turned out to be so sobering, i would even say, and it's really good, because understanding the situation as it is is, you know, how recognition of the disease, that it exists in our country, these are already the first steps towards being cured, i don't know, it seems to me that now in this country i made a diagnosis for nothing, but we are not talking only about the positive. forced in the conditions of an extremely powerful war with the russian federation to talk about shortcomings, but about how ukraine continues to live, simply on the move, actually overcoming an extremely large-scale enemy, we will talk about this

with dana yarova, a volunteer, a member of the public anti-corruption council at the ministry of defense and a member of the collegiate body of style support mol. congratulations, congratulations. we have an opportunity, there are many questions, and we will start, probably with these results, almost two years of a great war, and what we have, in general, we have returned transparency and transparency in procurement for the army, almost for the first time we have on time received winter uniform, and thank god, we have more order with food and water for the military, and here without ... the role of the public, which is close and different, there were different episodes, we remember your series and so on, but cooperated with the ministry of defense managed to correct certain points, how systematically, did we manage to put these

elementary things on the wheels, and it will continue to run smoothly on the rails, such controversial issues right away. it's just that all that happened, in particular thanks to your activity, therefore, first of all, with the end of oleksiy yuriyovich's vat, i decided to stop the series... a little to give people the opportunity to enter the ministry of defense, to understand how to work, but we are on the eve of 100 days and there should be a report on the work of a new one team, so i've already allowed myself to start a new second season or third season already, sir, i do n't know, a season called the ministry of defense procurement features, i've got everything... i hope to sell it to netelex eventually, i think it will beat card records at home, what would i like to say about this year

, you know, i'm christina, yesterday i caught myself thinking that i don't know how to report, i don't know how to report, i just looked at the fund today, which is my fund, which deals with the children who died, how much money we raised for the year, and how many programs we made, i just realized that we need to talk about it. because you know, it 's mine, well, checkers, whether to go, i have to go, but still, we must note some moments that were changed during this year, we all know come on, well, we are talking about the ministry of defense, this is the most interesting thing, let's start with the fact that this year started with what, with the egg scandal, and just october, i had october and march, i had such and such a confrontation. although at first even there we hugged, kissed, talked with oleksiy yuriovich that we will live forever and

die in one day, because, if you remember, we had such a thing with him, i repeatedly wrote this and said that or you take me, remember, from the movie or to zaks, or i take you to the prosecutor's office, but i don't want to go to the prosecutor's office, and you don't want to go to the prosecutor's office, but from him, when we already decided to create an anti-corruption council, and... he said, okay, then we will cooperate with the public, and this, you know, was the first step after closing the ministry of defense from the public in general, it was very difficult for us to drag this anti-corruption council, you remember how i tagged the ministry of defense on facebook, everyone ran there, wrote, then ran to me, i again, well, it was like that, but it was, you know, about what about what this need, let's say so. justice in the rear, when people die on the front line, and it just became like that, well, some very,

very many people have already understood that it should not be like this, because if you ask this person, and who in this situation was the leader there , these changes, and you as an anti-corruption officer, the journalists who started to write about it, the public who voted for you, we were all together, and we are together... we managed to turn this situation around, in the month of april we had a month were not approved, but we were approved, and somehow it happened, i don't know, but oleksiy yuryovych decided to put me in the tender committee of the ministry of defense, by the way, i thought, the first thing i thought was to recuse myself, but i understood that this was a game of chess, because if i said no, oleksiy yuryovych would say, well, look, you wanted her...

to come in, i made a decision, i remember the first day when we were given the task of nutrition for the second half of the year, and i am simply horrified, just that we discussed these with you informational attacks, yes, to which i am used, which for me is already, well, okay, so that means yes, two months we basically defended the procedure, because until... that year and a half, we were just at all the meetings, the ministry of economy, the ministry of defense, we just had a terrible confrontation with oleksiy yuriyovich, because he said that it was impossible, because it was impossible, it was sensitive information and so on, but you know, we went on a transparent two months, it was very difficult, indeed, for two months there were lawsuits, there were constant statements to the prosecutor's office, our entire collegial body went there. prosecutor's office for questioning, there was a letter from reznikov to continue, to continue

food contracts for an indefinite period to the cabinet, when we published this letter, the ministry of defense withdrew it, that is, such santa barbara, that in addition, i want to say that what i wrote is there, well, 10 percent of what i knew , so that one day i will write everything that happened, yes , yes, yes, so that we don't forget that it was, and let's make it transparent, and you know, we saved 6.5 billion just for food hryvnias, and now i will tell you where they went, they went to meet the needs of the rear. in winter winter clothes for the 22nd year, and with these funds we closed fuel for the fourth half of the year with 3.5 billion, that is, if i am now preparing a report for the new, new team of the ministry of defense is preparing its report in 100 days, i, as a member of the collegial body on issues

of additional security, because now the agency must start working, will it start, will it not start , when will these contracts be picked up, when will they not be picked up, i don't know yet, it seems to me that no one knows the ministry of defense, when when, well, if honestly, and my predictions that this will be another transitional period, v why is there a problem with this, well, in fact , style support agency, well, there is a person who should manage both creation and functioning, appointed by oleksiy reznikov, if i'm not mistaken, appointed, but the idea of ​​creating such an agency belongs to reznikov. you know, it’s not, the idea of ​​creating an agency does not belong to different people, it belongs to our partners, in fact, all over the world, all over the world , the agency is engaged in the procurement of weapons and rear support, but there is one but, and this is key, but everything that, for example, the combination , we have kupipashchyna with an agency

of the united states of america, and the first agency was created. the weapons agency was created, it was created a year and a half ago, and only now, in the fourth quarter, it began to conclude the first contracts, so in a kind of quick start, if you remember, the agency promised us the supply of weapons first in august, in september, in october , in december, now it's january, we haven't started the procedures there for the first quarter of the 23rd year, what's the difference? the difference is that the statute of the agency of the united states of america states, that all contracts that are purchased on the territory of america, the commission of this agency is zero, all control contracts are foreign economic already with a commission, i will explain why, look, for example, our general staff needs corsairs, uh, tell me, please, christina,

what should be done, how it is necessary to monitor the market, how to choose the best price... position, so what should be done in this situation? well, it seems elementary to me, when we understand that we are talking about a completely specific weapon with a specific name, we understand who produces it, that is, it is one call, yes one a call and that's all, but when, for example, the situation we had was literally november and december, now we're trying to get out of this situation, we have all the power at our disposal. a new class of armor protection was adopted , it was adopted in may and until now the manufacturers are adapting to it, and we did not have the number of bulletproof vests placed, all capacities are already occupied, in this case we go to the agency and say that look, these are the technical conditions, these are the funds, go around the world, look for where to order, where

contract, where to check the quality, where to deliver to the territory... go through customs clearance, take it to the ministry of defense warehouse, shoot it, hand it over to the warehouse, then it is clear what they will receive a commission for. to date , a 0.4% commission on all purchases has been set in the agency of potlium purchases, purchases. this year, it's not a secret, and next year's budget is not a secret. this year , it was 100 billion uah. next year, it will be more. well, count how much the agency will receive, besides, i believe, what high salaries in the agency, they are unacceptable in the conditions of war, these are not such risky, let's say, actions to receive such funds, maybe someone will argue with me, and maybe someone will not, sorry, and

this is us, we are talking about history, in which we recently talked about... according to which, in fact, our producers do not have the right to have even some profit, i still do not understand what will come of this, to be honest, it seems to me that very few people at all understand what will come of this , we will see, but if we take analog by analogy agency that was created a year and a half ago by weapons, by and large, i say it started working only in the fourth quarter of 2023, and one more remark: in my opinion, and in principle, it is the same in america, in america there is one agency, one agency which works with foreign economic contracts, and ... the situation is completely clear, we have two agencies, we double administrative expenses, we double personnel expenses, we double absolutely everything, uh, what is the idea

behind and i don’t know, i don’t know, i i don't know any country in which there are sections like that, maybe there is one, me i just don't know about it, i know that in america there is one agency that works with foreign economic contracts, uh, if you ask me, what has changed so radically in the ministry of defense, yes, nothing, well, just nothing, this year it was a year of breakthrough, we came out transparently, it really was a year of breakthrough, i withstood more than one informational attack, you know, they ask me how you were able to do it in the first place, and when everyone, even solovyov, a group of russian propaganda, wrote that this it's just terrible if yarova enters the ministry defense, i want to tell you that i insisted on the fact that i understood that i was doing everything correctly, i just understood it, and we really showed very... very good results in terms of the number of procedures carried out, in terms of the number of procedures that have taken place, regarding price reduction, savings and

everything else, i don't know what will happen next, because there are already changes to resolution 1275, i don't want to announce them yet, because we are still in the process of negotiations, which i, for example, , while they don't like it, maybe we will come to some kind of consensus, then i will say my opinion. your opinion until it's approved, and while we're still in the working group, until i comment on it. tell me, please, well, in general, the ministry of defense is a place where discussions are permissible, where you can achieve a result with a good argument and defend your position, are we already, you know, approaching the party said, we, we, we do this , no , you know, that's what i want... you know, i'm like a listener, what i see, that's what i sing about, yes, i see good, i say good, i see bad, i say bad, actually i see from the side of the top

management the ministry of defense still wishes to listen, to listen, to involve, maybe it's not a desire, it's an understanding that there can be public control, maybe they don't want to see me there, but they're forced to, yes, but still, we're having some negotiations, we're having some. .. an exchange of arguments, sometimes it is more calm, sometimes it is not very calm, but we are trying to find a consensus, it is true, but here with communication, by the way, there were no such differences, it was very deaf there, and now with the change of the minister defense, i'm from communication with all zamas, that's the truth, well it's true, they really do listen , they accept something, they don't accept something, they accept something after a month what was said, that... not at all, and somewhere i can say that listen, and what you offer is better , what i thought, that is, we are currently undergoing some kind of transformation process, but to say

that we are not heard, i cannot say that, okay, this, in fact, it already gives hope for some perspective, look, now at the ukrainian level parliament is working on initiatives regarding mobilization, demobilization, and all these related processes, there is an understanding, that we need to harness for a long time, there is an understanding that we will still need a large human resource in order to at least withstand this struggle, and at the same time, returning again to the question of how to provide for these people, do we have an understanding that now that's all gets on wheels and it will really move along the rails, or will you have to fight for each, excuse me, form every time? for every purchase related to water or the supply of the same fuel, we will have to fight, that is , we want to understand whether we manage to systematically

change or patch holes on the go? well now about the bad, to date , nothing has been systematically changed, unfortunately, but the process is dynamic, i say again, sometimes it goes in the wrong direction, sometimes it goes in the right direction, sometimes, i'm wrong, i like it. that it will be better, now the process is changing dynamically , very dynamically, because to me, well, we are already joking, yes, today we run in one direction, tomorrow in another direction, but still , i would like to emphasize that the what is happening now, and these attempts to find compromise solutions, yes, even if they are there are discussed in raised tones, but still the opponents hear each other, it doesn't matter. they went home, slept, calmed down, came, the next day, talked, there is no system yet, the system is not working, everything is in manual

mode. everything in manual mode just happens, they did it here, they didn’t pay attention here, but there is a desire, a real desire, i see this desire, to create a system, and it deserves to be, i can’t say that i am directly in the team , yes, i can say that i, as a person, bought through alpha, there are funds, sorry, no, not 17 hryvnias, eggs , there, sorry, wow , there would be enough for this year's budget, i'm really sorry, kristina, that these questions, they left later, after he was fired, they left then, and they are not addressed to that team right now, and this is a problem for us, as a civil society, that we have so little memory of the guppies, yes, yes, but, at the same time, in terms of rear

support, often with you and ... we talk and continue to talk and will continue to talk, but when we touch on the issue of weapons, here we are we have to be very careful, because i understand that there are things that you can't cover , i can't, but i'm in cooperation, let's say, constant cooperation with law enforcement agencies, and you know, on some issues , i was quick about it, i even think , that we will be able to move some questions from their place, huh. in his article, golovkom zaluzhny noted that it is a technological breakthrough that can shake the situation at the front, which now looks very positional, let's say, it does not look positional, we have entered the stage of a positional war, this is also part of the war, it you also have to survive and you have to endure, there is an active stage of war, there is a positional stage of war, the positional stage of war

differs from the active stage in that it is war. just logistics and support, to what extent logistics will be provided and how well they will be built , the positional war depends on this, here i would like to point out that as a person who also took part in the reform of the ministry of defense in the 15-17 years, but in our then there was not such a large number of troops that it is very difficult and dangerous to change systems during the war, this as during surgery. one surgeon conducts an operation, then another comes and says: come on, after you, i will cut something here, the main principle is do no harm, that is , it is impossible to stop the current purchases of the ministry of defense, if you want to change something, you need to change on some pilot project, then draw conclusions and implement on the territory of ukraine, there must be a transition period, so these are some quick, sharp steps that we saw

over... three 3 months, yes, when the agency told us, from august, from september, from october, i repeatedly proved to the leadership of the top management of the ministry of defense that this is a path to nowhere, you must make a transition period , you must change the regulatory framework, because we purchase within the framework of the regulatory framework, you must prepare for this, well, now in december i can state , that they probably heard me, and they started more cautiously. to some processes, whether the situation will change, the new team that has arrived, and whether we will really switch to some kind of system or not, well , time will tell, but for now i can state that we are in dialogue, we communicate, we try to find a common language on some issues, we are all different, but the goal is probably the same, which is to make a system that will not depend on personnel.

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