the main issue here is that we are trying to immediately go into the scalability of production, because in order to produce at least 1000 systems per month, and the needs are again 10-2000, this is a separate challenge, at the same time there must be quality and at the same time there must be independence from suppliers from china, for example, we are trying to implement all these three parameters and expect them already in january. presenting your own product, which will allow you to close this urgent need and begin to scale and mass-produce this product. you are connected with the big ones by western companies, announcements will be made in january. and can we talk about the fact that this rep will be really, let's say, selective, narrowly directed, so as not to create problems for other means of communication of our subordination there by our drone, or will it really be like this, well, it will differ from... decisions on rebu, which

are implemented on conventionally speaking, on the same chinese generators, noise-like generators? and of course we go to the extent of ensuring electromagnetic compatibility on the battlefield so that reb does not become a problem for ourselves, ah, of course we we try to concentrate the output power as much as possible on the target obstacle, our experience is in detection. and, let's say, other operations, it just comes in handy for us to form it, but since our company had no experience in radio-electronic warfare until the 22nd year, we need to build certain technologies from scratch, we don't have to build from scratch time, that is why we are going to ensure that these technologies have a dialogue with large western ones. what these technologies are

available, plus they are there, and there is a dialogue about transferring these technological capabilities for us to be able to organize the release of this equipment here in ukraine, this is a very serious step forward both for our industrial market and for closing the needs that are in the military at the moment, because without this we will either have a means that.. .totally unreasonably expensive, or inefficient, ah, and one that we can't replicate on our own production bases. now there is a complex dialogue, it started at the initiative of the ministry of strategic and technological development, ah, with several very large companies, at the moment i cannot announce what it is, but they have been for a long time and engaged in this professionally, but became interested in the problems, the challenge that we currently have on the battlefield, and everyone is trying...

to offer this, everyone who can, a solution that we can, a condition that was very important to me was , so that we can produce enough here in ukraine, at our own factories, and further adapt, because the rap changes, the communication channels of fpv drones change every day, and we have to be ready to change er our means according to challenges, that is, in fact. i will clarify for myself, that is, the role of the state the ministry of technology and industry in this process of scaling production is still significant, that is, you are not breaking through this wall of production expansion on your own, but is there such a triangle of interaction between your company, ministry of technology and foreign partners? minsstragetprom sends a rather strong signal to big business in the united states, for example, or other countries, and accordingly . a signal that

it is possible to work with certain companies, that they are nearby, they support, they will contribute to this process in every way and reduce bureaucratic overlays, a dialogue began, that is, thanks to the fact that the ministry of strategy and industry stood by, presented the need, presented its readiness, a dialogue began with a number of very large companies, which individually with them, with individual companies, i could not... build relations in the last three years, for example , here it was possible to break through this, let's say, wall, and i would like to, well, this is really good news, because they say that there is systemic interaction and there are finally prospects for three specific projects that are absolutely necessary for the armed forces, but how the ministry itself defense is responding to this need to expand rtr direction, reb, are they currently such active players? which really react to

the new opportunities that your company can provide due to the increase in orders and so on, well, it was at least stated. last month there was a good event jointly organized by the ministry of defense and the ministry of strategy and industry, at which a vector for capacity building was announced, just like that, and to be honest, this is not the first time i see systematicity, a sequence that can weave into systematicity, i am very careful with a modest optimism in this case, but for now it looks like there is a certain ... systemic movement in the direction, and the ministry of defense is trying to build, let's say, mechanisms, how to implement the capabilities of each company in order to cover the glaring needs of our armed forces

internally, production from the inside country , first of all, i.e. to support our economy, our producers, to provide and use all the available capabilities of the company and... the sector to the maximum, and this is a very, let's say, innovative and interesting approach, we will see how it develops, well, that is we are talking about the fact that now the ministry of defense is ready to purchase everything of high quality or efficiency that our companies can produce, or produce in series or in the format of experimental samples, this is what is being said, and yes, that is, a low number of defenses was carried out. what about the simplification of procedures, not all of them were, well, like any activity, it is not always possible to do something without errors, but let's see and from january 1 , a completely new procedure will be in effect, we will watch,

i would like to ask, ask about one more project , which is extremely important, technologically, relevant, i mean the completion of work or the continuation of construction work. of the rtr air-based reconnaissance hekat complex, because, as i understand it, it will be able to detect everything that has radiation, and why i mentioned about hekat, because now the question arises of detecting the russian s300, s400, which, relatively speaking, are now being used their missiles for attacks on our peaceful cities, and the question arises that it is necessary to carry out such active search and destruction measures. fits as a unique solution that with this project now, at which stage we are, and now there is an internal experimental operation already from a prototype sample inside

the company with limited application to solve, let's call it so practical problems, that is, we have already taken off the ground. and , let's say, we are gaining height in this project, and as in any experimental samples, the first problems were discovered, ah, the first need for refinement, etc., but, well, again, i hope there will be news in january , which are pleasant, will resonate in the heart of every ukrainian, regarding this project and in general of our industry, again, is connected with cooperation with large companies, that is, foreign companies will enter this project, whether this project is already anyone can confirm or deny, and when can we expect that, conditionally speaking, hekta will begin to detect russian

sams near our borders, even in an experimental version, can we say that it will be there in january-february , we can already search, destroy by other means, i will already get the first results. in this process, and the only thing we are saying now is not about the complete system, we are talking about separately, about a separate device, and there must be a certain number of them in the air at the same time, ah, but already the first, let's say, signals have been received, processed, and we continue to build up capabilities in order to, i repeat, solve the entire chain from full situational awareness. i.e. providing a representation of the coordinates of enemy ground stations in real time, and in order to be able to flexibly plan the means of defeat, mr. yaroslav, and whether the participation of powerful foreign companies, as they understand, this surely concerns a

certain unique elemental base and system supplies of this elemental base in order for us to be able to scale production, in this the need for the participation of our foreign partners? no. we passed this stage, it was necessary about five years ago, we learned to live without these unique components and live quite well. and in principle, flight systems confirm this. here we are talking about the fact that, if we say that we, ah, have some developments that are already in ukraine and can be produced here, ah, then, ah, it is possible to more easily acquire certain systems, western, which before were not supplied to ukraine, because they were subject to export restrictions. because of that. that as a whole, this system is very unique, and if you throw out what is already in ukraine and

install the rest, well, it is possible, so we are talking about interesting projects that everyone announced in january, mr. yaroslav, thank you very much for the explanation , for what your company does for the state, for our armed forces, we expect that in january we will continue communication already when these announcements acquire such certain concrete... signs, thank you for the inclusion, to our viewers let me remind you that it was yaroslav kalinin, the director of the company noko production center of information protection, which has sufficient and, we see , considerable experience for powerful american and european companies to see information protection as such a reliable system partner for the creation of new types of weapons for the needs of the armed forces of ukraine. and then we will talk about another direction of development of our defense and industrial capabilities. let's talk about protection technologies for our soldiers, how to make sure that our soldiers are

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we will talk about this topic now with our next guest, we are joined by serhiy minnyaluk, the founder and head of the well-known of the khmelnytskyi company wellmet, which produces personal protective equipment , which is in demand and respected by our military, mr. serhiy, i congratulate you, i am glad to see and hear from each other, first of all, i want to convey words of thanks to the military, boys and girls who give us the opportunity to you now speak and promise that we will continue to help them, develop and try to make those products that will better save their lives and health. well, this is an absolutely correct remark, because due to the fact that we are in the rear, everyone does what is necessary for the front, but still, it is much more difficult on the front line, all the risks are concentrated there, and each of us must remember this. and i would like to ask you, as a professional, whether our war with the russian aggressor is so

unique that it forms some new requirements and features for means and... are there any unique things that affect the formation new requirements? look, everything that was in the world before that, well, let's take the last decades, yes, that is, the threats that we have in this war in the world plus or minus are not was, because all the standards, even if we will implement them conditionally there... the usa, from europe, must understand that their armies did not take part in an armed conflict of such a level, of such instinct with such threats, with such a large amount of use of artillery and other means of defeat, well, even to the example of the same resets, which were not there, were not applied before, that is, in my opinion

, everything that was before this needed to be adapted to what we have now, so that it would be effective, well, that is ... in fact, we have now to form requirements for means of protection , which are quite unique and not equal to those used in the armies of other countries, and then i have a question that, it seems, in the summer of this year, the ministry of defense announced that it had adopted new body armor and helmets, and as i understand it, on the basis of new requirements for... uh , protective equipment, when these requirements for body armor were developed in ukraine, what was taken as a basis there, following the best examples of foreign developers, technological limitations, the cost of body armor, what indicators were the basis for the requirements according to which the ministry of defense is now purchasing body armor there? look, well, i will be

moderate here in criticism in order not to disperse any bad emotions. i will simply say that in my opinion that document is not entirely professional and it is not based on the technological capabilities of manufacturers in ukraine, nor on the availability of raw materials, nor on the analysis of challenges and threats that were, that is, well, this work, you know, it should have been done differently, it should have been based on the mobilization fund, they had to understand who would use it, who... wear that armor under what conditions, and the main thing is that it should provide real protection, i will tell a simple story, i criticized that document very strongly and i did not participate in experimental reproduction of that product, which was mentioned in that document, was not at the meeting at the ministry of defense and tried to convey those thoughts, but

unfortunately without success, let's take a simple story, we have a product of conditional size m. this is, for example, a guy like me, which the body armor itself will weigh 13.5 kg, we add another helmet and a half, we add another weapon, add a bull, add something else, we get 37 kg, and here is a conditionally mobilized person without physical training there for several years we take, dress 37 kg and we are trying to set a task for her to perform, and in my opinion, it will be very difficult for an untrained person to perform any task with such a weight, accordingly... the goal we set before ourselves when developing the document, such as providing protection for a military serviceman, we did not fulfill it, fulfilled it only in terms of the fact that we can visit upstairs and say: we purchased, we developed, we can say about it. no more than that , but there is no effectiveness, well, the effectiveness of using this task, because in fact we have given protection to a person that will not help him, accordingly, we have exposed him to

danger, and in my opinion this is a crime, that is, it is a crime, because it directly affects the defense capability of the country, we wrote letters to the national security council, to zaluzhny, to the president, throughout this history we wrote that there is a critical problem, please pay attention, well, let's say so, a little unsuccessfully. but it is necessary to talk about it, it is necessary to change it, because it precisely affects the achievement of victory and its price, if we do not try to use some other, well, introduce innovations, introduce bypassing our enemy not on a direct path, where, let's put it this way, we won't use the resource, but in some other ways, so the price of victory will be very high for us, and it will be. i'm confused, i'm just trying to calculate the mass of the bulletproof vest, roughly speaking, somewhere within 12 kg of body armor, a helmet, about 2 kg, 37 kg

, where does it come from, look, we have weapons, we have the number of bulls, we have grenades, well, that is, you have to carry with you other means of other damage and that's all rps, well, there’s also an unloading system, that’s all. well, in principle , i’m talking about this whole story... i calculate that it will be in the type with a fully loaded backpack, some kind of property, that is, we’re talking about moving to a position, we’re talking about some marching stories, that is there will be this weight gained, that is, we even provided a letter to ee sent a letter to the center for the development of escorts of the ministry of defense from military units, where the military themselves wrote from the experience of combat operations that it will be very difficult for us to carry out combat tasks and it is written there: in this letter, by the way, uh, where is it recruited from this weight, it will be very difficult for us to use, to perform these combat tasks, we need the weight of the body armor to be a maximum of 8 kg,

that is, that is why these 4 kg are actually important, that is, if you take the weight of ee, well , for cartridges, there is one spare magazine , i definitely i don't remember, let it be 300 g, well, imagine how many cartridges you can take with you to save on armor, even if it's constructive. looks to see if all the elements and the whole design, which adds weight and adds value, really works, that is, the document is incomplete in my opinion, and now another document has appeared, the bulletproof vest is modular and differs from non-modular, but lighter, it differs from bulletproof vest modular only in that it has no protrusions, which i criticized under the armor plate, everything else remained the same, and the same in my opinion he would not have the right to live in these conditions, which is basically the structure itself, if we do not reform and change it, it... will not lead to anything good, that is , i think that the lack of staffing, the lack of professional people, well, in any direction, that

is, let’s take a transparent analysis of the latest procurements, what is happening and the technical requirements that are written there, it just chills the back, that is, the lack of personnel in the people who make decisions and a plus in the system of people who make decisions, even about system is the main thing lack of responsibility for these decisions, that is, you can make any decisions without any responsibility. and to consider any means of protection appropriate, but it has consequences, it has consequences in a healthy life, that is, serhiy, as i understand it, we should strive for our body armor to weigh within 8 kg, as the best american body armor weighs there, for this, we need to switch to ceramic plates, which weigh less, provide a higher level of protection efficiency, and prepare bulletproof vests under... the peculiarities of use in certain types and types of troops, taking into account all these nuances, this is how it looks, well, in principle, yes,

but now you understand, at the same time there is no such clear distribution there, that is, special forces, not special forces, all the intensity of hostilities, the conditions in which they are used, plus or minus equal to this, well, that is, such special, very special requirements for means of protection. no, it is clear that if a person will stand somewhere tentatively in the rear at a roadblock, then he can be there and other protection, if we are talking specifically about combat operations, then weight is very important and comfort is also important, because weight gives mobility under intense fire, you can be fully armored from the bottom to the head, armored, we have, by the way, such suits, where you can armor completely , i.e. a person up to 97% of the body, but it loses mobility, i.e. it becomes, well, i.e. when a projectile hits in... conditionally at a long distance, it cannot take cover, i.e. not only the structure itself, weight, must be convenience, weight to provide mobility, it will increase the survivability

of the personnel, it will reduce in... well, plus, you need to have a system analysis, so i will ask this question now, i wonder if there is such a document that would compile statistics of injuries or deaths of servicemen for the beginning of a full-scale invasion, this was the main document that should have led to the appearance of other documents in the form of technical conditions for the withdrawal of body armor or something else, that is, a close connection with military personnel, those who perform combat tasks, because we have... a gulf between the kyiv cabinet and, conditionally, i say the previous time, conditionally, military personnel at the khmelnytskyi garrison or in any other, that is, and she should not have this pretense, so what the guys say, what they need , they need to be given it, and then they will have the first, and the opportunity to effectively perform a combat mission, and the second will be no less possible, there will be an understanding that they are cared for and heard, that is, what if the boy, a boy with an injured back from the 14th year receives a bulletproof vest there 13

kg, he understands that there is nothing in him, he cannot perform combat tasks, he puts it in the closet and the salary goes out, he buys what he needs from guys like me, or from other guys there, then, well, he himself emotional component, well, a person thinks, well, this is how it works, and now i have to go for it , it shouldn’t be like this, that is, we have it like this, i’m just sergey, i know that your bronzes are really in demand among the military and they tend to buy your bournes because they are lighter, they provide the necessary protection level. but the ministry of defense has not been purchasing your life vests for some time precisely because, probably, they do not meet the new requirements introduced by the standards of the ministry of defense, is this how it looks? no, it looks like, in fact , the ministry of defense never purchased my body armor, i have 32 products of my own, which we handed over, worked out the technical conditions and presented to the ministry of defense, they were for special operations forces , that's all on the website of the ministry of defense, almost

all those on... it is written like this is special property there, such as equipment , system unloading, clothes, we gave it to the ministry of defense just for the special operations forces, and besides the fact that it was a gift, it was almost never, well, it was never purchased by and large by the ministry of defense, here due to the fact that at some points we did not want to take part in this, all the stories are bureaucratic, it was incomprehensible to me and, in principle, i will probably never take part in it in the future. and all that is procured, from me, it is procured by guys at their own expense, or somewhere with charitable organizations, or somewhere in rare cases by military units, when the commander understands that this is exactly what he needs, and he has the opportunity to carry out this procurement quickly there, i i will say, the issue is not that there are any moments in the ministry of defense itself, the main issue is that this elevator is missing, for example, i developed something effective, for example, there is some

armor. an element that will help us critically in this war, yes, i just don’t have a mechanism to put it on the flow and for the state to buy it for the guys so that they don’t buy with their own money, this mechanism is not there at the moment, maybe it will appear later, there is a bureau there public procurement, there is still some story or office, i don't know how everything will be there, everything is declared ok there, but at the moment, for example, i have a very good armored element, but it could save me. life and health, but i can't, i can't even imagine for myself what it would be the mechanism was transparent, i say, transparent , so that i could come, offer, and when you communicate with someone, so that you are not looked at, as my late grandmother used to say, like a ram to a new gate, and that you speak, said, this is really necessary , this is such a weight, this is such a story, well , i don't have such a mechanism now, not only i don't have it, not all manufacturers, i think that there are no manufacturers, such a mechanism of drone manufacturers, there is no such mechanism

of other manufacturers. it's all as if, well, we still live in some moving moments, and on the side, we also have an enemy with half-herd moments, but we now critically need to develop a system where all these initiatives, if it is really useful, can really help them find their implementation, because in fact we will work for victory, create something a new one that will speed up this victory and reduce losses, reduce its price, mr. serhii, in fact , i still have a lot of questions left for... the next conversations with you, i will remind our viewers that it was serhiy minnyaluk, the founder and leader of the well-known company velmet, which supplies our military with high-quality and competitive body armor, we hope that about the problems he mentioned, the presence of such an elevator to promote training, which really help soldiers on the battlefield, such elevators will be created at the expense of, well, changes in approaches .