which now looks very positional , let's say, it does not look positional , we have entered the stage of positional war, this is also a part of war, it is also necessary to survive and endure, there is an active stage of war, there is a positional stage of war, the positional stage of war is therefore different from an active one, that this is a war of logistics and provision, how much will be provided and how well it will be built correctly. contact, the positional war depends on this, here i would like to note that as a person who also took part in the reform of the ministry of defense in 15-17 years, but we did not have such a large number of soldiers then that it is very difficult and dangerous to change systems during the war, it is like during a surgical operation, one surgeon conducts the operation, then another comes, says come on after you here and something else cut off

that situation, the new team that came, and whether we will really switch to some kind of system or not, well , time will tell, but for now i can state that we are in dialogue, we communicate, we try to find a common language on some issues, we are all different , but the goal is probably the same, is to make a system that will not depend on personnel, oh, let's... with you a few words about a sore topic, why with you, because you took care of it in the same way and continue to take care of it, and this is a topic that we talked about in previous to our meeting, the medical supply of our military has changed, the commander has changed, ms. ostashchenko has actually resigned from us, yes from her position, we have a new one, i don't know if it is appropriate to talk about some initial results right now, everything i know from ms. korchynska. what's new

the commander, at least he communicates, he is ready , again, this is important, come on, kazmirchuk, anatoly petrovych, we have known him since the 14th year, he was the chief doctor of the kyiv military hospital, i know him very well, we had different situations, we also quarreled , reconciled, reconciled, quarreled, i'm sorry that andriy vyacheslavovich varba did not agree to this position, this. tarakov was the head of the medical department, he refused, but, anatoly petrovych kazmirchuk, i want to tell you that even with those misunderstandings that were, i believe that this is a good decision, he is in touch, he, we already had a meeting, he now went to the front edge to check there, there was a meeting regarding, first of all, still approving those standards, before

to medical first aid, yes , jurts, tourniquets, my lord, 10 years of war, honestly, i have such a dejvie all the time, this is the first, second, approve the evacuation stage, approve the support hospitals, approve the treatment, approve the rehabilitation, i also want to note that few people know, but on 23.08 the head of state sent a letter to the national security committee, where is he asked to be removed from the command of the medical forces for the function of support, and when in the 15-17 years it was. of defense, then the state procurement department carried out the purchase of medicine, then why, i don't know, why was the command of the medical forces given? my proposal was a bit off-putting, it concerned the fact that let's give this budget to the primos agency, what difference does it make to them what to buy, yes, that is, not that what difference does it make if they buy a million syringes, for example, for the sick.

what is the difference, they will buy 10 million syringes for the armed forces, that is, there is no difference, but here the problem is that we need to approve the standards, that is, we have a preliminary agreement with anatoly petrovych that we will meet, approve the standards, and secondly, we will start purchasing, either arsen will do it, or the medical agency will do it, and this the issue will be closed, i believe that it is right and good, well , there are already some changes in the context of providing elementary. security, it is still the same as what was purchased earlier, but i want to tell you very much, and it was lying in warehouses, sorry, but i want to say that it was very active discussion and anatoliy petrovych goes to the meeting, says let's create a working group, let's finally approve the first aid kit, which we have already approved 155 times since the 14th year, and let's live in a different way, i see a different way here optimism. i see honestly, well, well, you

see, so we see, well, i can't help but ask, the year was rich, once again i return to this thesis on the thesis on sobering up. certain, and in connection with this, some have appeared, either fatigue has accumulated, or it is some kind of desperation already at play, but they say that society begins to dissociate, this factionalism appears again, and the symptoms of this are growing more and more, and this applies even to the military-political leadership, rosnya, i'm sorry, russians, i don't know whether they are baking there or not, whether we can say that at all, what the national council will tell us, but the russians are playing on this. they no longer say the military and political leadership of ukraine, they already have a military leadership, a military leadership and a political one, and this is purely their narrative, and we really should not allow ourselves to do so, let it be so, or is this the conflict about which everyone talks so much

, is he sincere or is he still more inspired, well, i think that there is no smoke without fire, it seems to me so, it is the first, the second, i have probably been talking about one thing that i would very much like, that i would very much like the military political leadership to give us a sign, yes, it doesn't matter to me, a photo, a video, some kind of joint statement, give us a sign that everything is fine with them and that in they have a complete understanding, and as a citizen of the country it worries me, i would like to understand that we are going in the same direction, why i miss, i really miss that unity. which was in the first months of the war, when everyone understood that there are universal human values, the value of life, yours, your child's, parents and such, people, in general, animals, yes, that is, the value of life, now, well, i don't know how you , i am already observing political games, i

am observing some kind of redeployment, everyone is already starting there, something for themselves, some, let's say , some positions. mother, regarding fatigue, christina, everyone is tired, everyone is tired, let's say this, not only tired, exhausted, and children ours, and we, and we no longer react to a lot of things that we reacted to in the first days, it is difficult, it is difficult, it seems to me that we will have a lot of problems after the end of the war, but we still have to live until it ends , you... can make more mistakes than a person who is full of strength, this is also the case, and for myself i just eh, well, i made a kind of promise to myself that i would try not to judge, i try to really understand

the position, maybe it's not the same as mine, but understand, the only thing that's unacceptable, i just can't come to terms with what i'm going to fight with, and about i know that. the military leadership of our state , including the political leadership, these are corrupt actions during the war. let's be honest, the budget of the ministry of defense is now the budget of our state, those who do not believe, can open the budget of the 24th year and see the expenditures for the ministry of defense. that's what i will never treat calmly, this is corruption in the rear when people give their lives, because i would like to remind our leaders. who is involved in some corruption scandals, that it is a historical fact, when they buried alexander the great, who for his age, conquered the whole world at that time, in his will was that his graves should be buried in a coffin with open hands, so that

it could be seen that a person who conquered the whole world goes to the next world empty-handed, and therefore this request for justice in the rear, it is very high now and... i will not close my eyes to this, there is no understanding, no professionalism for everything else, if people learn, okay, okay, okay, but, if i see, that starts again, sorry, to whom is the war, and to whom is 20, 50, 100%, yes, i will not close my eyes to this, attempts to compromise the military, what to do with it, i am not talking now about our leadership, the military itself. planes, i'm talking about a trend that may have already started, and in society in general and maybe even, you , look, it's not only the military, it's also volunteers, yes, that is, it's such a trend

, yes, a trend in all circles, which touch , relate to the war, yes, yes, these are the narratives, they are one and the same, by the way, recently i even wrote a post that it was not you, well, don't look. on it as a game, with your consciousness just doing experiments, if you heard such a narrative once, twice, you said, this, this is all wrong, and then at some point you realize that what you were told. hall, it got into your head, you won't even understand it, but it will get into your head , and let's say this, yes, i see some kind of demonization in general, yes, there is a kind of demonization of the armed forces and some, let's say this, the military should not do it like that, the military let them fight, yes, but we have our own godfathers here and there, here and there our godfathers, we have our own affairs here, well, i would like to remind our to the political leadership, that if the military leadership had not pulled out... our country, which the western partners gave 2-3 days, and had not pulled it out until today, when

you and i are sitting in a more or less calm kyiv, and we can conduct broadcasts, then the political leadership would not be able to do anything now, yes, the entire military leadership dragged it out, so as far as i am concerned, this is a misunderstanding, i really want to believe that this is just some kind of situational misunderstanding. some kind of sign would be enough, well , defense minister umyerov, recently responding to questions to the magazine journalists, said that we are even joking with the head, who is going to fire you this time or something like that, well, that is, he said that horses can actually be changed at the crossing if there is some insanely urgent need for this, but now about that 's not the case at all, mrs. christina, i'm very glad that he said that, it's good, then... that's what we're standing on, but we're carefully watching our hands, absolutely sure, and you already mentioned

volunteers, at the end of the year, many of people engaged in this activity, have actually given up, and say that those circles of hell, which were invented for them by additional , let's say, procedures that concern both the border and the activity in general, simply reflect not the same thing as a desire, because for these people it is no longer a desire, it is simply the way of life to live, to help the army, and to help those who are suffering from the war, but they, they really don't know how to get out of these complications that have been created, that's basically what their voice looks like now, the volunteer voice, well come on, first , the problem exists, secondly, they have been trying to count volunteers since the 14th year. i have already experienced that no power, no power was able to count us and

drive us into some conditions, if you remember , when the president changed, we had a generally authorized volunteer case, i only saw it there two weeks ago for the first time, i perceive all these things very well, with some irony, because i say that for 10 years i have seen how they try to count volunteers, but it does not work, volunteering is very anarchic. movement actually because volunteering is passion, yes, and passion in general , let’s put it this way, somehow to line up , to count, to say who will do what, it is very difficult, i have not seen bigger, i have repeatedly said, bigger things than volunteering anywhere, and this is the first , this is this is the second , now the third, i would like to address those volunteers who gave up, my camera is here, yes, dear volunteers who, let's say, joined our movement for two years during

a full-scale invasion, believe us a lot, and with such actions, it already happened repeatedly, and give up, let 's make an analogy regarding the military: in that year, in december, it seems like months to me, if not, correct me, khrystyna, a law was passed on increasing responsibility during surrender. positions by our military in connection with the fact that our military is not always equipped as they should have been equipped, of course they leave their positions, this can be understood when you are being attacked by tanks and you have a kalashnikov assault rifle, then this is not war, it is shooting gallery. uh, i didn't see anyone who would lower his hands from the side military, so i have a wish for everyone, please sleep, eat, watch tv, one day. you can't do it anymore , get up and start doing things, all the questions that the cabinet has asked us now, i

think that in a month or two we will return again to that movement, which was anarchic in a healthy sense, absolutely, okay, eh, but here kristina, it must be noted, there is a very fine line, if you ask me whether it is necessary to keep accounting, of course it is necessary, yes, if you ask me whether it was necessary to register volunteer cards, well, of course it is necessary, there is ukrainian legislation, if... you receive income, you must pay 19.5%. if you tell me, given that you are in accounting, i have 14 years of accounting, well, as a person who has led the country in business for 20 years, i know that... and you can’t gamble, it’s all necessary to do, but the system that the ministry of social affairs offered us, i said, if you show me how to do it, you can repeat it on camera, i will do it for you, well, until no one dares to show me how to do it, so i am not going to hands down i think they will surrender first, we, we hope for

some rationalization of what we are currently leaning on. and this is not only about volunteerism, in general the end of the 23rd year was marked by uh, certain such tension, yes, we have a history with instability and not understanding what will happen to our funding, in particular for our war from our most powerful partners, we have a huge the number of problems on the border with our neighbors that do not miss what we need now for war or for the elimination of the consequences of war, in particular. and also volunteers, if they also say that their work has become very difficult, and we are now at such a point of the sinusoid, probably somewhere lower, and we only hope that there will be evil, you know, i can say that when i now walk around the poet, i generally tell a certain one, maybe 3%

of what i know, because... what's it like to understand what kind of precipice we're on, i know, we 're on the precipice in a global sense, well, of course, if they don't give us funding, then we're not let's drag out the war, if ours, you, you understand, it's already clear to us in the month of september gave a road map and said that guys, we will finance you in case you do the first, the fifth... conventionally speaking, have we fulfilled it, well in my opinion no, will it not be about military gains now , there was, there was pure corruption, especially the ministry of defense, there in general there were very clear and very specific demands, does our leadership realize that

for a year and a half we have been dragged completely, sorry, and even in our country without... unprecedented there have been direct infusions since the vietnam war into the budget every month from the united states of america, you know, it's relaxing, you think it will be like this forever. i have always said that we need to raise our economy and raise it, we are in such a very interesting historical situation, i want to recall the whole analogy, the great depression in america in 1939, 29-39, which led to from... the great depression america, the beginning of the second world war ii. we have a unique opportunity now. i am very happy that our military-industrial the complex is simply developing at some kind of superhuman pace, because, for example , if they told me on february 24, 22, that i would participate in the creation of an army

of drones, yes, is this for everyone , this is already a clear story when i bought them in october in the 22nd year, few people still know about it, and when we switch to the tactics of non-contact combat, plus we learn how to launch drones, we master rebs, we start making artillery, we start making cartridges, listen, yes, we can become such an exporter later high-tech goods from the additional cost is that we will extract the entire economy simply on ourselves, but at this moment there is no stage to go out my friend. friend allasalaeva, we are not touching the first friend today, the second friend allasalaeva, who goes around the enterprises of the military-industrial complex and says that the profit of state-owned enterprises, yes, for a second , of the military-industrial complex is equal to the losses of the state, if this continues , well then we will not achieve anything, because to the first manufacturer of fire engines,

this is a large engineering, economy. finists they know how much investment needs to be made, how many jobs need to be created, what equipment needs to be installed, how the enterprise needs to be developed in such a way as to assemble a fire truck from scratch, and on the territory of ukraine. they opened the first criminal case, before i pushed the resolution through the verkhovna rada, and they are haunted by it to this day. i have a meeting, shall we say, with my girlfriend, i have it today. i will go now, and it seems to me that after all, it is necessary to listen to common sense, to get out of this situation, well, i'm sorry, listen, i'm probably already talking about it, no, i'm probably already. a child could be born, and if this continues, then when they say to me, dano , do you think that after the war, investments will go here, with this attitude, no, they will not go,

because, excuse me, spit on the country's constitution, where it is written that whatever - what entrepreneurial activity is created with the aim of making a profit, and proving that the act of alla basel is higher than the constitution of ukraine, well , i'm sorry, i'm not ready to fight with this, and whatever you want to point to this... this fir this is big the enterprise that we talked about, about which the sbi opened criminal proceedings, i had a direct meeting with its owner, and on 1+1, by the way, i do not know at all how we were allowed there with such a topic, but a person in eter said, i wanted to open a second production in the territory of ukraine, i went to poland and i decided to open it there, well, that is, everyone understands that these are taxes, jobs. capacity, gdp and everything else, it 's not related to security, absolutely not, he said that well, well listen, well people have been stopped in general, the enterprise has stopped, the debt is sitting there, but does this mean that we still haven’t

decided, so at the end of the year we finally got the understanding that our negotiations with the european union on joining the european union are starting, yes, but we are still not internally decided, we are still soviet, well, maybe as a last resort. a post-soviet country, are we a country with a developed market economy, democratically and so on, you know, i just can't imagine that such a situation as the core of the audit service happened in the west, well, i just can't imagine that is, there is the rule of law, there is the right to property, that is what is supported there always and by everyone, that is, you know it, a constant, even during the war, of course, and for now, well, listen to kristina. if , let's say, according to the law, war does not replace the law, if the decision of the national security council made a decision that the entire economy of the country was transferred to the military rails, that

the 1% company would arrive, uh, period, yes, without question, you transferred the country to military rivers, no, you have a valid 363 resolution, which says 1% services, 30% production and 3% imports, this is weapons, really, what we are talking about, and actually, the transfer of the country to military rails, i would like it to happen after all, it happened in the minds, in the heads, to a greater extent, and in the mentality, because you rightly pointed out, now we are not talking about a sprint, now we are talking about a marathon, we are forced to learn to live in war conditions, none of us has experience of living in war conditions. to work in conditions of war, to raise children in conditions of war, to give birth to them in conditions of war. we are all, let's say, already psychologically broken, and

in this context, i am ready to forgive a lot, a lot, to be honest, because i understand what it is like to receive these psychological injuries, and you know, i would like to emphasize, very much such an observation, people who were involved in the war process of the 14th rock they bear it much easier now, because for them it is already a passed stage, the people who got involved, i have no complaints, to anyone, yes, the people for whom the war became relevant only there at the beginning of the full-scale invasion, they are now going through the that i passed there in in the 16th year, i just want to hug you and say that it won't always be like this, it will get easier for you someday, so i call on everyone and everyone, on the eve of the holidays, we are one country, we have nothing to do. electorally, democratic elections must be held, elections must be held that will confirm the entire civilized world, because if this does not happen, then we

have nothing to fight for, we become, excuse me, a country, a kind of small concentration camp, like the neighbor next door, and therefore i call for understanding, understanding of political forces, military. forces military and political, volunteers, businesses , and everyone else, we are all ukrainians, we all have to be united, we all have to understand that the enemy is behind the railing, yes, and what i would like to emphasize, we, as adults, and you , and i, for myself, made, let's say, such decisions were made that we will stay in this country, right? and for myself, i set the main goal - this is the way out, to raise children in such a way as to break their psyche the least, so i urge

every mother to think first. as in an airplane, put the mask on yourself first, stabilize myself, and then on the children, and everything will be fine with us, for sure, i found out, everything will be fine, thank you dana, dana yarova, volunteer, member of the public anti-corruption council under the ministry of defense, member of the collegial body of style support of the ministry of defense, and a person, which also deals with the needs of our ukrainian children, the dream of the children of ukraine, the public association is doing an extremely important thing, thank you. data for this conversation, thank you to all our viewers and listeners who joined this conversation, and we will definitely see you in our next ones conversations with the following guests, be with espresso.

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