a topic that will seem fair to most, that is, let me tell you abstractly, as a sociologist, we propose a certain program, we survey people, they say, yes, it is fair and we start, if there, say, 60% think it is fair, and 10 unfair, well, excuse me, these ten will have to suffer, well , make more decisions, but tell me, please, we talk so much about victory and make plans for after... victory, in general , ukrainians have a certain fixed opinion that in in their view is a victory? no, there is no, in to each his own, who, no, well, who, well, yes , there are different opinions, scattered, here public opinion is scattered, here scattered, what is the problem, why so, do you have an explanation, well there are, there are rigorists who believe that victory, that when we reach moscow and destroy putin's regime, well, there are such ideas, well , after all, these are exotic ideas.

for some it is the return of all territories, let's say crimea and donbas, but for some it is not, some believe that on the contrary, we do not need crimea and donbas, because people already live there, as there are people which cannot be integrated into our society, because they are already, well, simply decomposed by russian propaganda and never listen again, well, it sounds a little dangerous, it seems to me that there must be some definite idea. and when all this was decided, people are different, ugh, this is dangerous , if they all had the same opinion, this is a totalitarian system, we have this democracy, you know, who has to decide, the government has to decide, the government seems to have decided or not decided, the question, as if, as if decided, and as if not decided, you understand, well... it is necessary, come on, i

will tell you, for example, my opinion, tell me clearly, victory is two things, the return of all the occupied territories, february 4, we hear it very often, and we see it , that in this war ukraine is losing the best people, highly motivated, who could do a lot for ukraine. tell me, how will this affect the future and which future, in the near future, in the distant future? this is the problem in general. and the ukrainian army, because those who were really determined in principle to do so have been lost this resistance, but we are losing , of course, the potential of resistance, a lot of people died, well , people who were determined to do this, well , against everything, you see, now more granddaughters will go, well, it is clear that the first , who left voluntarily, is the most motivated, the most motivated, the most...

powerful was the force, well, i can tell you what, any war, any war, it destroys, well, the most passionate part, and the most aggressive, those who have such a potential for aggression, and it's not always bad, you know, if sometimes in peaceful life it's not bad the best, but when there is a war, this is the best quality, when people have the potential for aggression, because they realize it on... any loss of this, well, how to say it, yes, it will affect the future of ukraine, but i am sure , that this is the wrong factor that will hinder post-war reconstruction, and what will hinder post-war reconstruction, and i will tell you, the lines of division in society, how many lines of division do we have now and which ones? and

potential ones, well, some of the men are fighting, some are not fighting, some are abroad altogether, here are three, here are three categories men, now immigrants to various other regions, who will not be very well psychologically, mentally, and therefore, you know , there are already certain problems there, let's say, easterners and westerners. in the western regions, that's why they don't speak the ukrainian language there, it's a problem for everyone, it's just different cultural and mental characteristics, but can you imagine if crimea and donbas are returned, the same split will intensify? well, of course, can we hope that there will be no split? no, lines, i'm not saying, i'm not saying, a line division, division and lines of division, these are different things, so that even if there were no lines, there would definitely be, and really not... not only crimea and

donbas, yes, now meritopol will be returned, and there will be problems, even berdyansk, because people, these people will already be under the influence for some time. russian propaganda and you will not get anywhere from this, and on the one hand there will be people who will hate this, and others will think that it came from her, how to liberate it, and that will be all, all will be, these same collaborators, all it will be, we will have many lines, well, here i am i'll just tell you, throw out the dividing line, they will start looking for collaborators, and what will not happen, will happen, and who will identify the collaborator, who will start? well, these same processes already exist in kharkiv oblast, in kherson oblast they were released, and we and the one who read about it also exist, this is a serious problem for them, for these people, and when we return even more territories, it will be even more more problems, of course, a lot

of trouble, so that the lines do not turn into real divisions, here is already a big function of, well, i would say so, the state. first of all, it must clearly define everything, that is, there must be a return program, who , how, whom, to consider, who not to consider, immediately, so that people understand the rules of life in new conditions, you understand, you are returning territories, and there were the same rules, the occupiers brought them, now there are new ones rules, i would, for example, to those people who were caught, i feel terribly sorry, i understand how scared they are and. the impression that how there is, and this is true, it is also an internal conflict, and how to live, and how to live, he broke out, but he just has a terrible

kyivan, how they lived during the german occupation here, i still i remember the 50s, when the word german was a swear word. they were called germans, well, well, it was synonymous with some such insult, this is how the attitude will be towards russians and everything, there will be a lot, so the state must define the rules, this is its task, laws, directives, everything, mass media and generally everyone responsible for the dissemination of mass information. to be responsible and under no circumstances contribute, must not contribute, to confrontation in society, i.e. they must always invent ways to mitigate all potential conflicts, but

the task of the intellectual elite is clear, first of all we are going to europe to instill simple and promote european values. life, among which there is tolerance, mutual help , regardless, opportunity, freedom of speech, the possibility of self-realization of each person and so on, that is, if we will promote such values, everyone, and not instill hatred, well then i think the situation will be, maybe not to split by staying only on... those lines, that's always going to be a potential problem, but it depends on us, only on us, how it will develop in the future. i also want to discuss one piece of sociology with you, recently kmis also published that the vast majority of ukrainians,

72%, would have a negative attitude to the resignation of the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine valery zaluzhny, well, this is against the background of this possible possible conflict between zaluzhny and zelensky, ska and what the secret of such insane popularity of zaluzhnyi, given that there are questions about the army, someone there complains that the army has a scoop, someone complains about mobilization, on the vlk, but there is absolute unconditional trust in the hard-working, as in the head of the army, why so? well, i don’t know, maybe i’m something like that , i’m just not going to be an example for you, i ’ll explain to you as a psychologist, hard work is associated with the victories of ukraine, you know, there is such a thing, and zelensky, well , zelensky, of course, but... on the field boju and luzhnyk, come on, let's go, by the way, zelensky also still supports him at 62%, he is much smaller than he was there, well, in terms of percentage, he was 18 there in 2022, so i will tell you what is luzhnyk, just in case you i wonder why this is so, ukrainians treat

duzhba, there is such a phenomenon of psychology, it is called imprinting, what does it consist of, well, let me take an example, if a chicken hatches from an egg, then... anyone who passes by him, and as a rule, it is a chicken, he perceives her as his mother, this, although it perceives him, this... who is the first shadow that he saw for a long time, and she still goes for it, until the end will go, here is the zaluzh, the first victories of ukraine and everywhere sounded the zaluzh, we resisted, we are from the north, we are from charson, and it was like that everywhere, we resisted everything, and hard-working everywhere, this, this, this is the first experience of victories, he is associated with... ukrainians as hard-working, so this figure became for them, well , like the mother of that, and you know, if mim, as you

said, that it was winning under the command , well, some conventional petrenko, then it would be petrenko, ukrainians know about zaluzha , so you tell me, that’s the way to think, they don’t know much, well, the chick doesn’t know who mom, mom come, who passed, so that’s who you are you are the same cops, put some toy in there, and it will be there, it will be a lot for, that is, for them zaluzhny is everything, this, this is an association for more ukrainians with victories, that's all, now it will be difficult, you just won't change the situation, and it will be very difficult for the same delensk to believe that zaluzhny is there for some reason, well nav' to change the opinion of the population that the hardworking one there is not so outstanding. the boss, everything, this, this, and this, well, the war, well , well, this is the personification of victories, that is, if

i don’t know now, hypothetically some election races have started there, and they don’t do anything, would a diligent person be able to win , i do not know, and i don't know, but here you are, here you are not quite right, yes, it is not necessary, and it is not necessarily extrapolated to, yes, it is a very interesting phenomenon, on the one hand, the phenomenon of the hero. and on the other hand, the phenomenon of the leader of the state, not every hero should be the leader of the state, etc. some have doubts whether a military man can be, perhaps, because, because, you understand, the life of a country is much more complicated than events on the battlefield, and so not everyone will think that a heroic military man should be the president, say, or... there's the prime minister or whoever, were examples, yes, in america

eisenhower was elected, for example, such was an example, a heroic general of the second world war, yes , he was president twice, such was the experience, but many of the generals lost elections, to heroic generals, and such was the case, so that it is not necessary, well, someone was elected president, well, that is, it is possible, but i could cite a lot. for example, when such genergic generals were not elected, well, it depends on how people will decide whether he is only a military man, or he is really in he can be a leader in all directions, it is necessary , and for this he must be considered, well, a sociologist would start a study of how he is perceived and so on, but now it does not make any sense, because you are a military man, you understand, acting, well, we know , that political sociology is not published at all, but from time to time. it is being done by some, some sociology has already appeared on the pages of the media, where we see that

such presidential measures are being taken by the wealthy, maybe i am not very interested in this, because now it is not relevant, because now it cannot be about, and this is the majority of the population of ukraine, according to those surveyed, are against any presidential elections, if we are talking about elections in general, well, we are probably talking about parliamentary elections, i have a question about pro-russian parties in general. do they have a chance, and if so, under what conditions and circumstances can pro-russian parties enter the electoral field again? pro-russian no, but if they are not pro-russian, but so veiled for the russian language, nothing against russian culture, well, and so on, well, yes, there will be a certain electoral potential here, if they condemn russia, if propaganda it will be like this, we are against russia, but we do not think that... that there is a russian national minority in ukraine, and many russian-speaking people, and their rights must also

be ensured, now it is not a war and so on, but here they can already recruit, well, it is difficult to assess, but there is potential, there is potential, and the mayor of kyiv, vitaliy klitschko, recently made a rather loud statement, he told foreign media that ukraine is moving towards authoritarianism, some laughed at it, some condemned it, er... some said , that the mayor is just playing politics, here you are, as a sociologist, you you see signs that ukraine is moving towards authoritarianism, which means that it is moving towards authoritarianism, we have martial law, in general, and in us. his his in general, i wonder how much of this authoritarianism, yes there are, compared to a peaceful life, there are features, well, i understand, but what is authoritarianism, er, it is the concentration of power in the hands of one person, that’s how i understand it, i don’t i know how klitschko understands, but i'll tell you, i don't know how, come on,

i, he's not a political scientist, he said, ukraine is moving towards authoritarianism and can stop differ. from russia, where everything depends on the whim of one person, well, then he understands correctly, authoritarianism is power concentrated in one hand, it is true, in war conditions there is a commander-in-chief, there is the chief and so on, power is also concentrated in him, to things , and it should be, and in general, life becomes less free than in peacetime, but what klitschko said, well, it has nothing to do with ukraine, if only because he can say that, i will remain mayor of kyiv, i told you, i just won't die, he said said, yes, and nothing to him, and he died, if it was in russia, tomorrow, i would fly there in some plane and so on, you can also say there, but you will not last long there, either

physically or politically, that is , you see, it's, well, it's still more speculative. a statement that we have such authoritarianism as in russia , well, it is not even comparable, you mentioned today that there are almost 10 million ukrainian refugees abroad, well, the official figure is nine, but the official figure seems to be 6, 5, these are un data, these are those who have received protection, temporary protection, so you understand that not all of them, and then we have many of our citizens in russia, do you have at least... no idea how many of these people can return, and there is, is there such an option , that no one will return at all, so what i want to say is that when they polled in the 22nd year, well , the first poll there was somewhere on may 22nd, then 90%, then, in may 22nd year, 90% believed that they will return, that they will return, yes, a year later it was 70%, but

now i don't even know, i don't see them. in these surveys the last, but the further, the fewer people will appear sensibly, well, they will adapt, well, what do you want, well , this is absolutely understandable, a family came there with children, a woman, she already works there, the children are at school, they have already learned the language, well , they adapted, but what should be done in ukraine, who should replace these people, why should they be replaced, no need, no, it is necessary that there should be some labor force, the economy. no, that's right, well , look, if ukraine had a population of 40 million, yes, before the war, yes, then we needed infrastructure for 40 million, if in ukraine there will be 30 million, we will need infrastructure for 30 million. and those who, those 30, they will restore the country, but i

will still return, according to my forecasts, if there is a war, and i think so. that the war , well, a few more years, maybe a few years, well, this is a maximum, there is a minimum that is not foreseen, in general , maybe it will end in a few months, who knows, and this is possible, if there is no source of this, if simply, well if savuran, saverin's eye closes, that's it, there is no war, and no one in russia needs this war, it's ridiculous, believe me. that's it there they say that the russians are imperials, yes they are imperials, but not at the cost of losing their great losses, their standard of living, there is no ideology now, and maybe in a few months, something like that will happen, but you don’t have to count on it, it’s possible , but

it is unlikely, yes, well, a few years, then, then a few years, when real understanding will begin in russia. the fact that the country has been brought to a dead end, and internal problems will begin there, and this will greatly contribute to our victory, you see, so, if this happens, then she will return there in a few years, if will have to live here, about half of those who, in my opinion, 50% will return in any case of those who left, that is, if otto left. 9 million, well, the truth is from russia , i'm already afraid that it will be there, although you can come back, they won't start if everything starts to fall there. somewhere 4 million can return four and a half there four there between four n, that is, and it is already clear that

you already see, already 30% do not want to return, in words, but this is what i was asked, here i was giving an interview to someone, and it is it it is some european media, they are to me they asked, and you, as ukrainians... will they return or not, and i say, it depends on you, if you stop giving them help, only 47% of those who left are now employed, and if others, what they will do, they will go to ukraine and everything, and what will they do if you do not give them help, and it depends on you, if you want, you will give, they will leave, but it looks like the countries of europe are interested , so that ukrainians remain in them, those who work, and those who work... so those who work, those who work, yes, yes, yes, well, well, well, yes, they are interested , they are, there are, there are programs to prevent adaptation, i would

say so, because they are already developing, it means that they are interested, promotion of adaptation, well those who yes , they can potentially strengthen it economically, but what they are guilty of is their right, to add conditions, and ukrainians appreciate, i tell you, that ukrainian eh... women appreciate western social assistance better than what they had before the war, what are you going to do here, well, there are higher standards there, people are treated there, well, from other positions, i have you the last question, please tell me, against the background of a full-scale war, more people became interested in politics in our country, yes, there are such data, yes, in one of our surveys, i will even remember now, we had such a thing in our monitoring institute of sociology . there was always such a question , are you interested in politics, that's right, we always had few people interested, somewhere the maximum was

17%, and now almost a third, well, it was in our monitoring in 2022, in december 22 , we do not include regs in this, we do, that is, that is, doubled, doubled. well a third, let's say the population is now interested in politics, it is still a minority, but then in different years it was 14%, and 12, the maximum was 17, how many people, what percentage of people should be interested in politics for the healthy development of society and the country, it is not so important , no, it is not so important, you know, what is more important is their participation, that is, i said so, interest. it is still, well, a declarative thing, well, i would say that it does not cost me anything, i am interested

, i am not interested, but participation must be taken, participation, political participation, and we are not interested, there is many european countries, where they are also not very interested, but the participation in them is much higher, and this, you know, and it is not just only participation in the parties there. although participation in the parties is higher in them, in ours the parties are nominal . it's nominal, it's not, but it's real participation, when people gather, but now it's the same, you understand how there are, i know in america, what battles are going on. and among republicans, old and these trumpists , there already, there is war, war, they just hate, well there, but there are many of them, but now

there will be primaries, there are many of them who participate in every town, there they really have a struggle, this is important for the development of political democracy, what people will say there is not worth anything, but no, i will not say so, it is worth something, after all, it is important that we have two. the level has increased, it still starts with the mental, and then it turns into participation, this is correct, but the most important thing participation, and that's what we lacked, thank god that now people are gradually starting to understand that if you are not interested in politics, then it will be very interested in you. i thank you very much for this conversation, i encourage our viewers to subscribe to radio liberty 's youtube page and like this broadcast, in this way you support our work and independent journalists. in general, try fla'. pink

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let's go somewhere, give me a chair! christ was born, dear brothers and sisters, this year the orthodox church of ukraine, together with the majority of local churches, for the first time fully celebrates the holidays according to the new julian calendar, but the meeting of christ and the epiphany is unchanged. the son of god becomes a man for our sake and our salvation. christmas calls

for a rethinking of life views. and reminds us of eternal christian values: faith, love, truth, these are the guides of stability and the foundation of our struggle. i wish so that the spiritual meaning of the holidays inspires everyone to continue working tirelessly for the sake of approaching victory, and the driving force in this is love for neighbors and trust in our defenders. let the christmas carol sound for everyone, and especially for our soldiers, enveloping christmas with warmth, warming the soul. and physically, i wish you, your family and friends, christmas joy and a blessed and victorious new year. christ was born, let's praise him.