good evening, we are from ukraine. glory to ukraine, this is the verdict program. my name is serhiy rudenko, i greet everyone and wish everyone good health. for the next hour, we talk about ukraine, the world, the war and our victory. today in the program. movement of ukraine towards nato and the eu. meetings in the rammstein format, what are the key foreign policy results of 2023 ? the big political game, financial support from the us, when ukraine will receive another aid package, and how the delay affects the situation on the front. the russians have a stalemate, does putin really want a truce, and why is it beneficial for the kremlin dictator to negotiate with ukraine.

we will talk about this and other things for the next hour with our guest, politician, diplomat, minister of foreign affairs of ukraine in 2007-9 volodymyr mogrysk. however, before starting our big conversation, i suggest you watch the video of the aftermath of the attack by the air force of ukraine, the armed forces of ukraine, on the large amphibious ship novocherkask, in the temporarily occupied feodosia, burning and detonating until the morning. that's an explosion! sit down, quietly.

as we can see, the residents of feodosia watched this nightly fireworks with great admiration, during this one. during the past few days , there were a lot of discussions and discussions about the draft laws of the cabinet of ministers of ukraine, which they submitted to the verkhovna rada of ukraine regarding the mobilization and demobilization of ukrainians. the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine valery zaluzhnyi said that the defense forces do not need a one-time mobilization of 400 or 500 thousand people. let's listen to what zaluzhny said. in no way did i say the number 500, not 400. i'm talking about

the general need, and i have already been asked by one of the girls, i have already said that this need , of course, is divided into certain periods, of course, that is, someone will be mobilized in the month of january, someone even in december, i once said , that we are not talking about the fact that we need all this need now in order to give clothes and shoes and weapons, no, this is not true at all, friends, for those who are going now. us on youtube and facebook, please like this video and also subscribe to our pages on these platforms. in addition, in the course of this program, we are conducting a survey, today we ask you: do you support the strengthening of mobilization in ukraine? yes, no, everything is quite simple on youtube. if you are sitting in front of the tv screen, take your smartphone or phone and vote. if you support increased mobilization in ukraine. 0800 211 381, no, 0800. 11382. all calls to

these numbers are free, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote. we have our guest, a politician, a diplomat and the minister of foreign affairs, on the phone of ukraine in 2007-9 volodymyro hrysko. mr. volodymyr, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today. thank you for the invitation, mr. sergey, i congratulate you. good evening. good evening and good day, because today was really a very good day for... the forces of ukraine, meaning the destruction of the great landing ship of the black sea fleet novocherkassk, around 3 o'clock in the morning on december 26 , explosions rang out in the feodosia region of occupied crimea, a large landing ship novocherkask. british defense minister grand sheps said that the strikes by the russian fleet in the black sea show that those who believe that the war in ukraine has reached a stalemate

are wrong. they failed to notice that 20% of russia's black sea fleet was destroyed in the last four months. russia's dominance in the black sea is now in question. the maritime coalition under the leadership of great britain and norway is helping ukraine to win at sea - sheps wrote on twitter. mr. volodymyr, can what sheps said be considered the result of 2023, the west cannot afford to lose war in ukraine, and whether this is the position only officially of london and its northerners. northern european allies, you know , mr. serhiy, in such cases i always look, and what do they say, behind the barrebrik, and you know, when once again

the semi-crazy bear, who, as you know, is one of the kremlin's ringleaders, drooled on this propaganda front, regarding the fact that great britain. taki really considers very seriously the issue not only of aid, because it is really huge, a huge thank you to her for that, but also of certain security guarantees, just guarantees, not promises about anything, but security guarantees, then this shows that indeed our british partners and friends should be trusted in their assessments and in what they... say, so i think that only the very example of britain speaks of the continuity of support, well , let's be a little patient, well somewhere, well a little more than three weeks, i think we

will get good news from washington, and then from the european union, because... uh- e cannot afford the civilized world to lose the war to the moscow barbarians, that obvious things, so the support will be, uh, and there is a great hope that this support will be high-tech, for the new year, which is what general zaluzhny actually spoke about at today's press conference, which you mentioned, because the war will not go wall to wall, our wall is smaller, just physically smaller, the war will be about who will prevail technologically and who will have more modern weapons that can be used to destroy these very walls? by the way, you mentioned

the security guarantees for ukraine from great britain, it was announced a week ago that it would the ten-year program, what this program may be about is the strengthening of the maritime. defense of ukraine, including air and ground capabilities, this is a story with certain security guarantees from great britain, then maybe guarantees from germany, security guarantees, other countries, world leaders, whether this in this situation saves ukraine from the fact that ukraine is not a member of the north atlantic alliance, but these are bilateral agreements. and bilateral security guarantees, well in this case security guarantees for us, or whether they give us opportunities, at least half or a third of those in the north atlantic alliance? well, mr. serhiy, it

was not by chance that i mentioned the security guarantees from britain, because this is actually, well, that's what it's about, that's what it's about. really about guarantees, not about help, but about guarantees , well, it is still too early to talk about it, but there is a feeling that britain will be, perhaps , the first country that will really provide guarantees, unlike others that will provide or continue to provide assistance, what these guarantees will be, this is a question, of course, for seven locks, you can't talk about it. this is something that will remain a big but very unpleasant surprise for muscovites, i hope, so i think this is exactly what we are talking about, whether the aid will bring us 30, 40 or 50% closer to

nato, closer in the sense that we will be compatible with the alliance as seriously and as deeply as possible, but this is not at all what is written in... the fifth article of the washington treaty, so the supply of weapons, military assistance is very good, but it is not a guarantee. today , the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine, valery zaluzhnyk. at the briefing, he talked about the plans of the armed forces of ukraine for 2024, a small excerpt of what he said , let's listen to the 24th year, it will not just be different, it must be different from the 24th year to the 23rd year, because otherwise we will have about what i wrote in the article, accordingly, we found these problems and... and found somewhere probably 90% of the solutions to these issues, which must

be solved in order to act more effectively next year and most importantly - to preserve people, we are working on it, our partners who are also interested in this issue, and i can assure you that next year it will be different, mr. volodymyr, next year will also be different because... there will be various elections in seven dozen countries, and the most important elections are in the united states of america, the election of putin in russia, i am not talking about the election of the president, the election of putin in russia, and many other parliamentary and presidential elections, which events of the 24th year, in your opinion, will have the greatest impact on world politics, and, accordingly, on the politics of of ukraine. well, i continue. the last thesis of general zaluzhnyi regarding the innovation of the 24th year, look, you, mr.

sergey, started with information that really pleased us all today, with this beautiful video, you know, they once said that you could look forever at water, on on on something else there and on fire, yes, this is exactly the fire from the burning russian troughs, this is truly a sight. which you want to look at constantly and forever, so in order for these troughs and not only troughs to burn, you need help that will differ from the present, that is, it is necessary to have those weapons that will give our army the opportunity to safely destroy everything that belongs to the enemy and force him to flee from ukrainian land, therefore its task for the 24th year is precisely to obtain. of this high-tech weaponry, which will allow us to turn

the tide of this war. regarding the elections. something now, you know, began such a wave of dispersal of another horror in quotes about what and what will happen, if what? well, democracy for the fact that it is not a dictatorship, where it is not elections are taking place. regarding putin, this is not an election. this will reassign, this is self-assignment, i would put it this way, there are no elections there, there cannot be, and although they are already talking about 30 candidates, well, this is a laugh to the chickens, sorry, these are obvious things that do not affect anything in any way , the numbers have already been drawn, the regional administrators, governors, so -called, already know how many turnouts should be given and how many voted for, so, well, this is ridiculous, relative to the democratic elections. countries yes, it really is a competition, it really is political struggle, but eh i don't think

the democratic world is so weak that it will change its foundations from mr. y being replaced by mr. y or madam or madam y, that's not really the case, even if we talk about elections in the united states of america , which for us is fundamentally, definitely important and interesting, but at the same time i ... i think that in any case, whoever wins, although there are a lot of points in this matter, and this gentleman that you have now on screen, is far from guaranteed to return to the white house, but whoever wins in america, democracy is american, its principles will remain the same. "the basis of democracy is law, it is order, it is human rights

, so no matter who is the president in the usa, these principles will be preserved, for this there are enough big tools and powerful tools so that no one can usurp power there, unlike from such countries as, say , russia, china or something like that, so of course we will follow these events with great interest." the one thing we should never do, here's the word never, it seems to me that it is quite acceptable to bet on someone. it is up to the americans to choose their government, and we must accept the one they choose, but i assure you, i am convinced that this will in no way affect the aid to ukraine, because it is in the interests of the democratic event. by the way, about the democratic measure and about the perception or acceptance of the results of this or that election,

we know that in march of the 24th year , putin's election will be held, because as you say, putin's re-appointment, and the election or pseudo-election will be take place in that including on the territories of the ukrainian state, which the russian federation declared its own and wrote into the constitution. precinct commissions have already been formed, and there are already relevant circulars for the election centers of the russian federation. can the world, based on the results of the elections in these occupied territories, not recognize the legitimacy. the president of the russian federation putin, after his victory, as it was in 2020 with the then president of belarus, and now the so-called president of belarus, when the whole world calls him the so-called president belarus or the self-proclaimed president of belarus, you see, mr. serhiy, if we

set the 14th year and the seizure of crimea and part of donbas, then later. after the elections were held there, the ukrainian side also insisted on recognizing the elections in russia as illegitimate. at that time, the west was not ready for this and said: yes, we recognize them as illegitimate in the occupied territories, but everything else, well, we have to accept. the situation changed radically after that, we now have a completely different position of the west in relation to russia. federation, and it would be logical that, taking into account the fact that the elections will be held in illegally occupied territories, taking into account that there was no democracy in russia, and there is no such thing, and that this is really not an election but a reappointment, then it would certainly be logical

to make a political decision about recognizing someone as a legitimate leader under such circumstances. well, this is just a complete political absurdity, will it happen, well, for now , unfortunately, the question is open, although such a discussion has already begun in many european capitals and not only in europe, but also in america there are at least talks about whether to recognize or not to recognize, this is already good, that is, there is still a little time for it to be possible to come to an absolutely obvious conclusion that... to recognize putin as the legitimately elected president is to give him another opportunity to tell the whole world , and i am absolutely not interested in your opinion, i am doing what i did, and i will not pay attention to all your concerns, so this is a matter of political

will, i really hope that the west will finally move forward in this regard, and what ? mr. volodymyr, it would mean if the world didn't recognized the legitimacy of president putin , that is, what consequences does this have for him, well , taking into account the fact that he already has a warrant from the international criminal court, and this also happened in 2023, that he received this warrant, what is changing, that is, does it affect the environment with which he communicates is the countries of central asia and asian countries, countries. who does it come from or does it have only exclusively , well, this is a lesson from the example of the year of the world year, well , you see, mr. sergey, you are absolutely right, that is , even those countries where he still goes, well, that’s already you know the creation of such a toxic

toxic atmosphere when, well, you are still accepted, so you are still there somehow, somewhere, something? you seem like a mine, a good mine with a bad game, as they say, but still you are already, well, you are not like that anymore, you are already noticed by the fact that you are not recognized, this is how he is recognized in china, he is recognized in north korea, he is recognized there several odious regimes in africa or somewhere else, but you understand this, this is already a real stigma, but first he got gas from the criminal court, and then this... he will to spread, well actually all over the world, that's how lukashenko also flies to china, well he flies, there or there he meets some, excuse me, international scumbags. meet, but who from the civilian civilized world will give him a hand, but no one, that is, it is already obvious, and plus here there

is also an internally russian moment, this is a signal to his environment as well, although, no matter how we say it, it is slavish, it is true, it depends on him one hundred percent, but when... the end of this isolation narrows, even the most frightened environment still has the question is, well, how much is possible, how long , can this still be the time when the process of ending all this absurdity and this disaster that is flying towards russia should be started, so you know, apart from purely such an... emotional moment, it also has, it seems to me, a serious influence on the internal russian political situation on the layout around

putin, which may ultimately, well , become another additional moment that will incline this environment to some more concrete actions. mr. volodymyr, at the end of 2023 , a lot of publications appeared in the world the press that putin wants a change, putin is looking for opportunities to conduct such talks, of course, on his terms, the world media write that kyiv is not ready yet, or kyiv has its own conditions, although we understand that russia has also their own conditions in order to recognize the so-called new territorial reality, and this was announced in the 22nd year about this new territorial reality. just a few days ago, the new york times also wrote that putin is ready for the negotiation process, representatives of the ukrainian authorities and analytical

institutions say that these are commissioned texts from the russian federation, which appear in the international press in order to remind that putin is not against negotiations, or whether a negotiation process as such is possible at all, even if it will take place. in different countries and with the participation of different countries, representatives of different countries , it is not just volodymyr zelenskyy sitting opposite vladimir putin, but, let's say, the ukrainian delegation in geneva sits with the delegations of certain european countries, and putin sits with the delegations of others there are asian or middle eastern countries, and they are mediators in order to end the war in ukraine, is it possible to imagine such a structure and such a negotiating group that would work in two different places, but the result would be some agreements there ? well, mr. sergey, i

can't even hypothetically imagine such a situation, because what it means is that we are negotiating with russia, it means that we put, so to speak, or an ultimatum demand that you get out of... of land, pay compensations, issue military allowances criminals led by putin himself, and then we will talk about something, or putin says, complete demilitarization of ukraine, complete neutral status without any talks, the return of the russian language, the return of opzzhists or something similar, that is, the fifth column, russian the church and all these... things about which he constantly talks, and then the question is, what are we talking about at all, is there even a hint that

it would be possible to agree on something, the positions of the parties are so opposite and mutually exceptional, what to think about well, some chance for negotiations, well, i honestly don't know, but the fact that moscow uses... its agents of influence in the west, well, you don't need to go to vorozha here, these are obvious things, and you see, these are whole special operations, these are waves, suddenly articles about the negotiations appear in several leading american and european publications, but it does not happen that for some reason, at the same time, at the same moment, the same idea occurs to different authors. well, it doesn't happen, it means that it's all prepared, it's all prepared carefully, again, chosen a special topic for putin now. for one

reason or another, it is needed, and he starts it, unfortunately, he uses the same democracy in the west, which is a sacred cow there and allows the appearance, including such paid ones, i think, this is without any doubt, materials in order to create a certain atmosphere around the war, so this... you have to treat it calmly, but at the same time understand that the ideological war is no less acute than any other, and putin uses it quite well, you have to to note, because, unfortunately, the canned goods he left in the west are actually very, very many, well, not only in the west, but also in the east, if you take the statement of the self-proclaimed

president of belarus. that zelensky began to understand that , as he said, there is only one political way to resolve the conflict in ukraine, lukashenko stated this during a visit to moscow, where a meeting of the eurasian economic union or cooperation, a summit was held, and what lukashenko said, let's listen, i think that's the best chance, we'll work more closely with them in order to they understood that... this is the only chance, if they don't take advantage of it, there will be a total collapse of the military or, military or political decisions, now it has reached the politicians, the military suppresses, as i always said, the military sees what is happening, the pressure is very strong, you probably already noticed at zelensky's press conference that he is beginning to understand, well , excuse me, the name of his political string is simply

putin. and this political shoelace, he has been making statements for the past two years and he is a fellow student of putin's aggression against of ukraine, his country was the site from which russian troops entered on february 24, 2022, and now the 23rd year is passing, i still have the same question, why are we still in diplomatic relations with belarus, no, i don't have an answer to these questions. perhaps you, mr. volodymyr, will somehow clearly outline the role of lukashenka during this war and some kind of attitude of ukraine that is so warm to the official minsk, because in the conditions of the war, it seems to me that there should be a full stop to all issues, and in particular, the question, who and what is belarus in this war? you see

, mr. serhii... uh, why is lukashenko behaving like this, well, because, well, he perfectly understands how important it is for him to cling to putin, because the end of putin, political or physical, is equal to the end of lukashenko, politically or physically, it is a direct dependence, that is , it is something that he already understood, i think, a long , long time ago, and because of this he will lick putin and repeat his delusions as much as necessary, he simply has no other way out, this is the connection that is saving for lukashenka, as long as there is putin, as long as there is as long as there is lukashenka, in relation to belarus, you know, i think that we

should not... erase the future of belarusians because they, unfortunately , for so many years under the yoke of their kolkhoz so-called president, belarusian europeans, belarusians, a european people with traditions and culture of european origin, they will definitely return to europe after it collapses. in muscovy in its current form, therefore break relations with belarusians, with belarusian people, well, it would be completely unfair and wrong, we are probably the closest people to belarusians that exist on this earth, ethnically, geographically, historically, because we...