uh, there won't be such a decision, that's why i think that despite the fact that many people are afraid of trump, how about a person who very often makes , well, let's say, unexpected, let's say, delicate decisions, one way or another, if we we are talking about the american system, it will be balanced at the expense of the position of the congress, at the expense of... the same two-party position, because, uh, there is no need to paint the republicans as some exclusively trumpists of some such, you know, uh, well, too radical group, there are already adequate ones, and at the same time, they are superior the majority of politicians, politicians who understand very well that it is necessary to help ukraine, that it is necessary to defeat russia, because otherwise russia will defeat the united states of america, therefore.

i would not take the position, you know, of such an alarmist type, that even if trump comes to power, then this is the end of everything, we are without help and so on, i think not, i think that what, by the way, even before the elections in the usa will take place in ukraine on the battlefield, it will very seriously affect the position of any president without... actually to what his last name will be. well, what is happening now in the congress of the united states of america with a vote or not to vote for aid to ukraine will also affect the battlefield in 2024. 61 billion dollars the us congress has to vote already next year, and the european union must also give the go-ahead for 50 billion. ukraine,

the lack of these decisions in your opinion, mr. volodymyr, and the united states of america and the european union, after all, a crackdown, that is, they will do it in order to have this money, because i think that both in washington and in brussels understands exactly what this money means at this stage of the war, especially in 2024 for ukraine. well, mr. serhiy, i think that the middle of january will be very positive for ukraine in this regard, i hope that the congress has allocated this money, and the european union will find tools on how to quickly help ukraine, everyone perfectly understands why and why. in addition, let's not forget that, well, now, thank god, talks about...

the confiscation of russian sovereign assets on west, and this is not 60 billion, this is 50 billion for four years, and this is more than 300 billion, and if finally this decision, a political decision will be made first at the level of seven, and then it will definitely go, so to speak, and cover all civilized countries, then this is the reservoir of money that will help us to... very, very seriously, you know, hitting the russian army with russian money, in my opinion, this is the highest diplomatic aerobatics, i really hope that with the joint efforts of both ukraine and the west we will demonstrate what we can do and such outstanding diplomatic things, well, this arrest of 300 billion or there is more than 300 billion, what will this mean for russia? and for its assets

not only those arrested in these countries, because we are talking about european countries, we are talking about the united states of america, will it be painful and painful for the putin regime, because we see that 12 packages of sanctions from the european union, we see large sanctions against the russian federation by the united states of america, great. well, that is, we see how large organizations work, large states against russia, and russia still finds opportunities to sell its oil, its gas, it still finds opportunities to exchange goods or import these goods from third countries, fourth countries, which will solve all its issues related to industrial production, if russia is selected. .. these assets and obviously

the next logical step would be a complete embargo on the supply of energy carriers from russia , could this in principle finish off russia or not? well , absolutely, and you know, mr. sergey, i'm just following the reaction in moscow to only the appearance of these conversations that in the west they are already almost agreeing on the nationalization of these assets, and this is hysteria, hysteria, starting with nabiulina, who is considered the savior of the russian economy under these circumstances, and she really is, as economists say, i trust their opinion. so far, she has more or less skilfully guided the russian economic machine along these very difficult reefs, which have been instructed, but she already says that we need to prepare for very unpleasant times for her, that is

, she also understands that in the case of the nationalization of these assets russia will suffer, that is, the russian economy will lose... an extraordinary amount, and let's not forget that now there are positive changes in the context of sanctions, look, the americans, er, well, they just recently introduced sanctions against, oil, additional sanctions against the fact that oil is not traded for oil, above this very $60, and it's around that uh... well, let's say there, the companies that are engaged in the gray transportation of this oil are narrowing. and let's not forget that now the americans have begun to press the subject of liquefied gas, which russia still uses and uses very well. so you know,

the economic boa constrictor, it exists. the only question is how to use it so as not to harm the world. er , oil and gas prices so that they do not jump when russia simply stops supplying the world market with its products, this would also be wrong, so this is a step-by-step well-thought-out logic and policy, and it seems to me that they are simply giving russia another signal, a little more, and it can be quite bad, so think, dear russians, whether you need it or not anyway, you will crawl back and you will make sure that finally this adventure ends more or less normally for you, otherwise there will be a collapse, but what lukashenko said about ukraine, i think, should

be directed at russia with absolute one hundred percent confidence, a little more, and while sanctions will be strengthened, holes will be patched where they can be circumvented. russia, russian money will be confiscated, and aid will be provided, but then this non-dominated state, i think, has very, very bad prospects, well, i think that so it will happen, on this optimistic note, mr. volodymyr, we will end our broadcast, thank you for being with us this year and working with us on the air, see you in 2024, it was volodymyr ogrysko, politician, diplomat, minister of foreign affairs of ukraine in 2007-9. friends, during our broadcast we conducted a survey, we asked you about the following: do you support the strengthening of mobilization in ukraine? yes, no, so now let's look at the results of the survey that we conducted on tv, 76% of our tv viewers

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greetings, you are on espresso, my name is khrystyna yatskiv, and i am very grateful to my colleagues who help us organize a series of interviews, which i hope you will be able to watch with interest in the near future. sometimes we are writing this conversation in december 2023, and i am happy to welcome a guest of our updated studio, this is tetyana chornovol, journalist, politician, military, currently, tanya, congratulations, i am very happy to see you, congratulations, and i am so happy to be here, because i i remembered, the last time i was here was before the war, i made my last broadcast, i was with i actually wanted to start it, because it is a very revealing story about who... who said what, who thought how, who was ready. february 5, 2023 is your last author's

program on espresso, which was about the tank columns that will go to kyiv. yes yes yes. i was already in military uniform then, and they laughed at me, although in fact, i was already then preparing positions for the battle near kiev. that is, when i was making this program, i was driving right in the direction of ivankov and was looking for a place where i would place the sugna. that is, there were two, two, two birds with one stone shot so, consider that today we have not an investigation, but intelligence. i will start by saying that the west has been warning the ukrainian authorities for a long time that it is necessary to be ready for putin's attack on kyiv. after all, what putin needs is not so much a lightning attack, but a lightning victory. russian troops cannot be knocked out of the suburbs of kyiv without civilian casualties, which means that on the territory of vyzhgorod or vodysia forest, the kremlin can induce the ukrainian authorities to capitulate in all matters. only risk. shame can stop the kremlin leader. it's no longer a secret that the russian federation is transferring

troops to belarus. drops all the way from the far east. a platform with a hurricane got into the frame. along with hurricanes in richica, we can also see russian t-80 tanks. if there is a lightning breakthrough, enemy tanks will be the first to go. putin's plans for a blitzkrieg here along the nearest road from the belarusian border to kyiv are unlikely. successors for putin, there is every chance to get stuck in the ukrainian defense, but putin is playing and preparing right here. russian tanks and systems have already arrived in mozar salvo fire. i do not know. how do you generally feel about the fulfilled journalistic and already military duty in connection with this program? do you know that feeling that you have reached out or vice versa? you know, in fact, it was very difficult to make this program then , why was it difficult, because i was convinced at the time that we were not ready for the defense of kyiv at all, absolutely not ready, but i could not put it in the program, that is, imagine, yes, i am obvious , i was

simply convinced that the tanks would go that way to kyiv, they would just go, to say that... there was, i saw that nothing is being done for defense, which means that everyone will just give up, and that's why, to be honest, it was very difficult for me to prepare that program, i tried to find at least some advantages, i somehow pulled them out there, at least some, yes , but, but you said that you said that some fortifications there are minimal and defense lines are still being prepared, no, no, no, i didn’t even say that, i remember, and that’s exactly what we weren’t talking about, about that was not the point, i was trying to say that the ukrainians will defend, huh. in principle still thanks, i'll tell you the 72nd brigade, it 's just so lucky that at that moment, it was basically a very big mistake, there were two mistakes of putin made at the beginning of the war, yes, he was preparing this blitzkrieg, and he basically, well , when i went there, then i was preparing the broadcast, i saw that it was absolutely real, this

blitzkrieg, the attack on kyiv, through the chernobyl zone, but putin made the following two mistakes: first, he mobilized the ukrainian army. that is, starting the war in the 14th year, it started in the 14th year, let it not be like that intensively, as in the last almost two years, but gradually the ukrainian army was built up, a whole galaxy of elite soldiers fell in love with us, who in the 14th year had just graduated from military schools and since the 14th year had nothing but war in their lives, yes, we lived a peaceful life here in kyiv, and since the 14th year, these graduates of military schools were in the ato, and by the time of the 22nd year, they were already such rexes, in fact very... very, very great professionals, oh the ukrainian army was deployed, and it was they who protected kyiv, yes teroborona, and the rise of the whole society , but it should be noted that kyiv 72 brigade , they are the heroes, the defenders of kyiv, well, they are the ones i remember, the very unique thing is that after all, well , putin understood that they were not to protect they can, why, but because not far to the south, the white

church, and there is an attack from the north, when there are more other brigades around kyiv. by the way , there was nothing that i could not say about in my broadcast, but i already knew about it, because all the other brigades that were there were based around kyiv, including the well-known zhytomyr, novograd-volynska, they were in the ato at that time, and even the most interesting thing is that during the invasion itself, the national guard, which was in the chernobyl zone , was sent to srilan, which is very interesting, yes, that is, there were no military personnel around kyiv at that time, no actually professional military units, there was only the 72nd brigade in the white church, but it... managed, it managed to occupy the front line along irpin, yes, it managed, because putin did not expect such an arrival, because it actually was, it was mad march of speed has been carried out, yes, and i note putin's second mistake is that he stopped, that is, he could have gone to kyiv on the first day, but i think it was probably because of the instability of the russian army, probably

because of numerous mistakes, probably because of what they really had, they were not used to doing such marches, they... spent the night under the so-called sofa beds, only then decided to move on, and this was their big mistake. well, what exactly will the tank columns be, because , let's recall, in one of his interviews, leader gorbudanov said that these columns were actually a diversionary maneuver, the main thing should have happened precisely at the airfields where russian troops were supposed to land and disembark, the russian landing party even had, no, what about tank columns - it was the main strike force that had to enter. parade in kyiv. i will tell you, my friend stugnist, he shot an armored column with a podharkov, when he came to see who they were fighting there, it turned out that it was omon with shields and

dobinets, they did not even have weapons, that is, so that you understand, they went to kyiv, well , actually, to kyiv, then to kharkiv, and somewhere else there for the parade. but at that moment, after all , tank columns were the main psychological influence on ukraine simply capitulating to the east. as for the landing, the landing forces here rather played the role of disorganization, and they, by the way, fulfilled their role, the role, not even because some number of landing forces landed there, which were opposed there at this same gostomil airport, but because we all looked everywhere for this landing party, remember? by the way, when i first heard about all this, i was like, oh, this is about to start, and by the way,

well, as it turned out, she was right again, i understood that this information was purely for psychological effect, made so that the ukrainians would start fighting each other, because , believe me, there were much less of these landing groups than the information about them, well, it’s just a hundred times less, huh , and you emphasized in the same program how important it is now... to build up our defense, to pull up all the tails, you emphasized that if we are talking about anti-tank, about anti-tank weapons, about the same thighs, then it is necessary, so that the launchers correspond in number to the missiles which done, and many, many other points , there was a little more than two weeks left before a large-scale war, i don't ask if they made it in time or if they heard you, but two years of a large-scale invasion and a lot of new challenges ... manifested very differently technologies that we didn't bet on, or didn't bet enough on before the invasion , did, but unfortunately two years of those

technologies being buried, uh, played a very bad joke on us, and again, for eight years to a large-scale invasion, fighting in the ato operations of the united forces, we were building both the army and our own defense in parallel, as it turned out like this... it turned out, surely more could have been done, but the combat force was created, can we say that similar processes are taking place now , that yes, the war has become very intense, but we are still ready to reformat and respond promptly to a little earlier, i will recall the previous periods a little, because for me it all hurts a lot, i worked in the security and defense committee, i am with you absolutely i declare under my responsibility that at the time of the 22nd year. we would have a divisional ptuniv, the aggression of the russian federation would simply not have happened, it simply would not have happened, because, because the black sea, let’s say it like this, putin’s plans

were to surround the capital, first of all, yes, please pay attention, from the south the russian troops never moved, why didn’t they move, well, because by some miracle, some activists managed to save the neptune missiles, and they fired their first few shots at the beginning of the war, which we practically do not know about, but they were, they stopped by the way. such an amphibious assault, because the russians, the russians did not know at the time how many neptunes we had, when they saw these shots, they were scared, although, although they were all our neptunes, yes, then they saved from the warehouses and completed that neptune, which fried the cruiser moscow, yes, that is, in fact , even with those few missiles, there were not even ten of them, so you understand, neptune missiles, which by some miracle the enthusiasts actually did, because the state buried this missile program for two years after the victory of the green authorities, with these dozens of neptunes... we actually stopped the encirclement, the encirclement of kyiv, yes, that is, the landing of troops in the odesa area, and i want to note this, yes, i want to note that there were other programs, air defense programs, which

were covered, it was always believed, it is not important to us, now, now i am convinced, the whole society of ukraine believes that there is nothing more important than air defense, at the moment, by the way, in the 22nd year we should already have our own air defense in cooperation with turkey, because such an agreement on joint air defense, produce of public air defense was signed in the 19th year, but then that's all covered up, turkey made an air defense without our participation, but was interested in our participation, because we had the pavorgat chemical plant and rocket fuel, so i made a small retreat. further on the development of weapons. i understand that you wanted to say that the nature of war is changing and in some types of weapons that are extremely relevant, russia is beginning to overtake us, yes, that means drones, that means kamikaze drones, that means that they always... we were overtaken by all kinds of installations rep. yes, there is a very big problem with this. in fact, we are holding on now only because

ukraine, although delayed with the production of fpv drones, we have far fewer of them than in russia, but we have no less professional pilots, because again the enthusiasts pulled themselves together, each drone was for them prepared specifically for a tank, but they didn't fly just like that. now we have the picture that the russians are throwing drones against one infantryman, for example, one drone, although ours still regret it, it’s for a tank, and it’s for an infantry fighting vehicle, it’s so that it’s not less for the infantry, so that there are at least 10 personnel, they just throw in the number right away, the only thing i say that saves us is the low level of professionalism, i myself squeezed more than once, drones, explosives do not explode, drones do not hit, yes , that is, there are a lot of these drones, but in principle this is... plus on our side, there are no pilots there, thank god, how could they afford their weapons, but all this gives

us such an impression only time, well, that is, they, they... study and time, time, the point is that it is always necessary to move new technologies, for example, i personally now switched to drones, and i was already late, unfortunately, i clearly understood that i needed to master this technology, but in the summer we got a little confused, we had two installations working, i only had only there were 10 soldiers to serve them, and it was constantly postponed, postponed, postponed , by the way, now i have mastered this direction, and i see that... i have already missed the moment, that is , the goals, for example, in the direction where now i'm fighting, we've already gone 15 km, 15 km, to me, so, they appear only for work, i.e. the tank leaves to shoot, it does not shoot at such ranges, i.e. it drives in, fires back and hides 15 km away, i.e. now i need to get the targets already on fpv own intelligence 24x7, i faced the following problem, that is, yes, i put the work on fpi, by the way, then i had a problem with bc, i did not have a blast.

no kamikaze drugs exploded during the first release, i already do bc myself, okay, i have already mastered it, and now it has appeared, my god, and now i still need my intelligence, and, i say, to 24 by 7, there are problems with this, there is a common problem that the one who implements new technologies must always win, the one who is behind loses, yes, because all new, new challenges are constantly opening up, i of course in communication with a lot of groups, i won't tell you, but well... the old-fashioned way doesn't work, yes, you always have to be ahead, always ahead, although again it's a swing, so i say 5 km, yes, now 15 can fly in half-wing, it would seem to be an advantage, yes, but stugna is not afraid of reb, yes, he is afraid in beer reb, what does this mean, and it means that with some more time, some more time, and the enemy will put powerful rebs, for example, on the same tanks, which will feel completely protected by dpvs, they will again come to my front, and i will wait for them with

a bang, that is, to these swings. you always have to be ready for these swings, as for stugna, ah, i have such a great consolation, for now, thank the ministry of defense, enough stugna missiles have been ordered for next year, and i will tell you, well, this number is really enough, because in this current this year was a disaster, it was just a disaster, it was one rocket a month on one hip, one a month, yes, yes, yes, and you understand, again? so let fpv seize the initiative now, but at the beginning of the year they haven't yet , huh, and you can't imagine how i missed these missiles when eight units of armor were attacking, and that's by the way, well, it's rare that you get hit moments like that, it ’s true, the stud only shoots what it sees, and then i come under attack, eight units of armor go, i have two rockets, i take off from another stud standing on position, and it is far away , it took only two hours to get

there, they drive there to my position, they have a rocket from the position, they give me a lift, i have in the direction where the lag has become a grain, let's say, another armor is approaching , i will shoot another one with this missile, further range, it is not a problem to make, for example, these missiles at 6 km, now they are five, yes at six, it is not a problem, these are the same installations, the missiles just need more warheads , it will be a little harder, what's the difference, anyway they are too heavy, too heavy to be with them just run around the field. they still pick up, you see, and that’s how these 6 km were needed, how many roads i observed, which i just couldn’t reach, on which we just drove there in piles, for example arta, yes, take it and shoot, and there are 6 km, i just don’t get one more kilometer on time, again, now that time has passed, yes, that is, when i was on these roads, on which they drove with visibility for 6 km of the mouth, now they have already been knocked out by fp from these roads, time has passed, i don't really need this 6 km rocket anymore, that is, we have to

always be mobile, yes, when we are now fulfilling last year's orders, this year it will no longer work as efficiently, so of course there is a problem in this, in this, but that's all, you know, i will tell you as a person who is constantly on on the front, i was on the 23rd, by the way, not far from here in solomyansk , the military signed a contract , just a block away from you, yes, i left, i left, and in principle i don’t, well, i don’t actually get out of the front and now, in principle, we don't even have a problem with weapons, we have a problem in the fact that we do not value personnel, this is now the biggest problem of the ukrainian army, in one of your interviews you said how important it is to specialize, you said it in the context of women in war, but it seems to me that this appropriately for anyone who mobilizes, it is very important to have some kind of weapon, yes, the more weapons, the more...