and i had to conduct an interview as a chairperson, i can say that olga stanislavivna pishchanska knows english and as it should, and quite, quite frankly answered all the questions we asked, and our group will vote for and support olga stanislavivna in the future as. thank you. thank you. dear colleagues, please take your seats. dear colleagues, please take your seats. i, using the right of the chairman, guided by article 28 of the regulations of the verkhovna rada of ukraine, ask now to hold a signal voting on the final, article 28 of the regulations. dear colleagues, please take your time. places, dear colleagues, i am putting

a signal vote on the decision on the appointment of a member, on the appointment of a member of the accounting chamber to the post of chairman. i ask the people's deputies to hold a signal vote. i am asking for a signal vote, for the 232. factions, show me, please,

dear colleagues, dear colleagues, unfortunately, we did not have time to vote. all items on the agenda, thank you all for your fruitful work, i now announce a break in our plenary session, about the time and place of its continuation will be notified to you in advance, we continue to work for victory, glory to ukraine, it was loud and bright in feodosia, temporarily occupied crimea, where the ukrainian armed forces destroyed a russian landing ship. novocherkassk flames from

the explosion could be seen hundreds of meters from the epicenter. locals from the windows of their own apartments watched a spectacle that they had never seen before. air force commander mykola lyschuk confirmed the attack of the armed forces on an enemy ship, writing on social networks. and the fleet in russia is getting smaller and smaller. this time, following the flagship the large amphibious ship novocherkask is headed by the cruiser moskva of the russian black sea fleet. it is known in advance that it was this ship that the invaders took. were taking out attack drones, with which the occupiers attack ukrainian cities, after the explosion that was observed in the port of feodosia, it is extremely difficult for the ship to survive, this is how the spokesman of the air force of the armed forces of ukraine, yuriy ignat, commented on the event. the armed forces of ukraine tried to attack novocherkassk for the first time last year in march in the port of the temporarily occupied berdyansk. even this information which we combined from the statements of yuriy ignat and mykola olyshchuk, is worth commenting on. you are worth analyzing in

the studio with oleksiy hetman, a military observer, a participant in the russian-ukrainian war, a reserve major. mr. oleksiy, i congratulate you. good day. look at the moments, i still want to get involved. in the russian public, they say that something was damaged a little on the shore. tell me, please, you have experience, you see the height of this flame, a completely damaged ship. shall we wait and also compile from what the russian public says, even though they are not are they telling the truth? what consequences could this have? well, such an explosion is a significant damage, it means that something detonated there, either a fuel bridge or some explosives, well, such an explosion from the rocket's rise, well, we miss the fact that it was attacked by our missiles, such an explosion, the combat part of the missile, which is attacking there, well, scalptorm , what did we attack there with, or neptune, well, who knows, it couldn’t, it couldn’t be like that... what a powerful explosion,

it’s a detonation, if there was a detonation directly in the ship, a large russian amphibious ship, they, well it's been almost a year how they started to convert into... transport ships in order to bring something, well it itself has a large, large size, and there you can load a lot of it and transport it as a transport, like a barge, well such an explosion, it's ditanas or fuel bridges, bridges, bridges , or explosives, most likely, most likely, the explosions detonated, that is, it is not a part of the shore that is definitely damaged, i am deliberately ironic, but it is obvious even to not very certified people, experienced, if there was a smaller explosion then... think that something hit the shore, next to the ship, and there would simply be an explosion, well, how we often see videos when shelling, artillery shelling, other shelling of various places there, including our positions, are shown, and we see what kind of explosions, and such explosions, well, it means

that there was a detonation, it’s there, please tell oleksiy, how was the ship in principle fodosi, if we know that they led them, once again fearing our children, our... fearing shelling , trying to save the ships, they took them to novorossiysk, where the ship ends up feodosia , could it be only the unloading of those shakets that we are passing through, yes, they took away the rocket carriers, the ships that carry can carry, well, these very hummingbirds, they took them away, because they are afraid that they will be hit and this will damage their ability to attacks on our territories, he was there in a cargo ship, that's why he was a cargo ship there, he brought something, loaded something, or took it away, or transported it, he is no longer here. destination, but that's all, and there is no ship, what do you suppose, that's all , there is no ship, yes, but they have corvettes, they now they are trying to introduce some program there, to develop a system of corvettes, tucha, there are others, er, that is, this system, it can replace such cargo ships, if

you analyze the class of the ship , well, cargo ships, well, cargo ships , with other ships, well, in theory , you can replace them, you can even replace them with ordinary, pleasure boats, well, it’s just that it won’t be the same type of war, yes, not all times, it’s the number, yes, the number, no, a cargo ship, they, they have long been planning to use these ships, how they are, why they are they began to prepare these ships for landing ships, like cargo ships, because they understood that sooner or later we would destroy the kerch bridge, and then in order to be able to deliver something for grouping in the crimea, it was necessary to somehow... take it out, because from the mainland of russia without the kerch bridge there is a very long way to go, they wanted it that way, then they refused it, because we began to build our fleet without crewless boats, and they saw that we could destroy these ships, and they

as far as is known, this idea was abandoned, but it still remained, well, at least there remained the ship that would occasionally transport something, here it is, i am sure that it is, well, we definitely... knew when it was going , whether it was loaded or not, well , there is no point in shooting like that, where was it expected, when it was fully loaded, then i already did this and that was it, it was natural, we will not reveal the cards now, well, there is no need, probably to do this in order to assume in what way who works, but this is the work of the security services and intelligence, i ask this question with the hope that there is a certain underground working certain people in the crimea, do not believe in this? i believe that there is an underground, they work, and they help a lot, they apply routes to our cruise missiles, but it took upon itself, well, not the responsibility, but you can say the responsibility of the air force, which is precisely thanks to this kind of troops

this attack was carried out, well, if it's the air force, then it was a plane with, well, with those cruise missiles that we use, it's either a stormshed or a scalp, and how was he able to shoot at... such a distance, well, here, here, here one is superimposed on the other, first we destroyed their air defense equipment, we all remember the triumph, how the s400 was destroyed, then we destroyed their planes, well, not necessarily in that place, but just around them, they understand that to go up to intercept our planes is already extremely dangerous, because you can get the fact that five planes were destroyed in a matter of three days in a big way, just what is five, what is four. five planes, that is 1345 - this is approximately an annual opportunity for the production of these planes, they are the maximum that the russians can produce 10 planes , well, that’s right, if they strain very much, it’s they who say that they strain, they work three shifts, trade

centers have been turned into factories and for assembly , it’s clear that for planes and drones it’s a different system, these bombers are first of all su 34 they are expensive, they cost 50 million, and secondly, they can, well, they collected five or six per year, now they, that is, we destroyed the annual production of these, the production of these aircraft in three days. now they, well, again, that's it, they themselves say that they can increase to 10 planes a year, that is, less than one plane a month, that is, this is a significant loss for them, yes, they still have more than a hundred of these planes left there, but if it is 3-4% every week, then yes, but this is a trend that just started, we can't say if it will be maintained by our air force, yes, i think it will be maintained, well, the trend, you know, they can be destroyed, no question if, if they can't use them for their intended purpose , well, let

them have them, then they will hand them over to the museum, that is, here they carried the danger that they they dropped these glider bombs, well, guided bombs, and this is a certain danger, because there are powerful f-15s, there are f500s, that is, they are powerful powerful bombs and they seriously destroy if. that they have such planes, but they cannot fly up to where they can deliver these strikes, the main thing is that we do not give the opportunity to use these weapons, and whether they will have them or not, well, until they fly up to us, they will , fly up, we will destroy, that is, everything here is everything, everything is very simple, i have a number of questions at once, sir oleksiy, but let's stay in the sea for now, so let's talk about the sea and, in particular , about the successful operations against the russian invaders, our military manages to conduct them thanks to surface ships. maritime drone, it is a development of the ukrainian security service, and their sbu, the sbu has several mamai drones,

let's remind you, it is currently the fastest object in the black sea and can accelerate up to 100 km/h, and it is directly equipped with a satellite antenna and a surveillance camera, and it was he who attacked in august, the russian amphibious assault ship was attacked with him in august olinehorsky fine. everyone knows about the achievements of the strike drone. more of it was used for attacks on the crimean bridge and enemy ships in the sevastopol bay. now let's try to finish with the sea and move further into the sky, because you have already moved into it. on the sea, directly. drones are a program that is only being developed in ukraine. the ministry of defense is talking about it, the ministry of strategy and industry is talking about it. they are buzzing, such incredible numbers. they are for you as for a person with experience. close to reality, so completely, well, look, we, we had to make a brigade, a separate brigade in these unmanned

sea cutters, because there are quite a large number of them, and for them to be attached to some other, to other units, well, it is possible, but it has already become technically inconvenient to use them, to plan certain combat actions, that's why they are now a separate brigade, which is being joined and which is independent. independently, we understand that all actions are generally planned, but the responsibility for them, the tactical responsibility, lies with this brigade, which uses these surface, well, drones, as we use them we call it unmanned kotor, and how they work, we have seen, well, many have seen the video, the video is already open, how a drone attacked the kerch bridge, how people gave birth there, how it looks, well, people were preparing and well... by the way, they thanked, it was so nice, they thanked the russian tourists who

took this bridge from below and showed where the words are, so they calculated, well, such an operation, it is being prepared for weeks, it can be prepared for more than a month, that is, it is serious, we need to calculate all the possibilities, and so far we are successful in such operations successfully, er, our partners, well, from the nato bloc, they say that... there have never been such cases in history when an army or a country, by and large, not having its own navy, can drive away the enemy's fleet, well, far from the places of deployment where he was located, that is, we, well, called our navy a mosquito fleet, that is, a small fleet, but as a result, their missile carriers went to novorossiysk, its landing ships are lowered, well, and many things, many things. not only missile attacks, and naval attacks, well, me i am sure that they will be involved

in the destruction of the kerch bridge, because there is a lot of talk about it, mr. bohdanov said about it, malyuk said about it that it is an illegal temporary structure, as they say , well, we will slowly demolish it, well, the most important thing is even and even if it is not completely destroyed , the railway must be destroyed there, because the russians use the railway as the main main logistical source for... transportation, well, not jily, the main logistical component for the transportation of a large amount, well, of military cargo, they have two of these, two such logistics way, it is the railway. from the russian federation through volnovakha tekmak and to dzhankoy and other - this is already through the kerch bridge. up to 90% of the military equipment and other equipment needed for the crimean grouping of the russians, and also for this kherson grouping of the dnieper, which the russians called it, is brought along these two railways, so if it is possible

to destroy these two railways, then there he will stand. it is difficult in the region, they will not have enough of those logistical possibilities, there 10% remains on e-e sea via sea transportation, but we see that they are not doing very well, not road transportation, so we are waiting for good news, but we are waiting for good news, i understand it will be a combination of the work of the air force and the naval force, but that's it, that is, it's not there can be something either from below or from above, let's just say no, it can be at the same time in order to entangle, well, this is... this is a tactic, i am sure that it has already been worked out and is just now being talked about, the details are being prescribed, so that, well , so that it would be effective, of course, to attack directly with sea drones, it may not work, only rockets may not work either, but if we compile surface and air attacks, then also partisans,

if the underground joins in, which truck with explosives will be able to pass through the checkpoint there, and they are there in the same place just can our to find the people who are on duty there and to negotiate with them, to offer them something there, and then, we liked that first experience directly with the truck, mr. oleksiy, please explain, if we say that we are experiencing now, essentially the largest in stories of bombing with precision weapons, we we are talking about controlled cabs, we are talking about foot-mounted upmks, and it is clear that we will be happy that drying, you said 3% knocked down, this can become a trend. when we talk about what we resist, we talk about air defense. and here the question arises , again, returning to novocherkassk, if russia has more batteries, if russia has more radars, it is clear that you can laugh and remember the cases of how they intercepted the storm shadow over kerch over sevastopol, how they intercepted the neptunes under the sakas, but why

quantity does not become quality. in rls, about it say our military, who say, you have to respect. the enemy, they have a strong radio-electronic struggle, you talked about this, why then and neptune, and stormshedov, and now novocherkassk were not intercepted, did not resist, the guys they use, these are not radar stations, this is what interferes with our means, well, with a disembodied aircraft, missiles, well, they are the means of radio combat, they create obstacles, this is not related to their capabilities of radar stations. to intercept our goals - these are different things, to set n opportunities radar stations, do they not have them, yes, they have stations like ours, which we consider old, these are the bukov complexes, this is the s-300, this is the s-400 triumph, but he showed that it is not as powerful as they talked about him themselves, well, they have redelegation stations, but they are worse than our recension

stations, which i just, but the quantity here cannot turn into quality, if it is old and if it is just praised, but if there is a lot of it. can it not become qualitative? no, well, in quality, well, well, somehow, it is in quality again grows, because there are many complexes and , in order not to spy on these three or four complexes, well, one passed, the others passed, the third can intercept, it can happen like that, we don’t have such means, er, which, well, which they don't see their radar station, that is, they see them, but they see them too late, they see them, they can't... intercept them, because these missiles stand there, they create obstacles, there are certain maneuvers, well, that is already the tactics of air battles , they see, they, they try, i am sure that they can, they can do something and shoot down, because it can't be that we shot down 90 there, almost 100% of their cruise missiles, and they never once hit our

cruise missiles, well, i don't believe it much, we don't provide such information so that the mood is not... . intercepted, it's very good for them, i think less, i think one out of three at best, one out of three at best in the event that we talk about air defense, and when we launch... sea drones in their direction, mother, then there should be air defense, and they have such means that calculate, it's different, it's other means that calculated uh, there are acoustic devices, there are a lot of them, well, that’s completely different , as far as this story, this system is developed, well, judging by the fact that as far as we can, well, you know, it’s necessary here, they

also learn very quickly , they see that they cannot intercept it, they could not yet, so they will, will to improve, there are different, well, mainly , well, electromagnetic waves, how a radio station sees an airplane, well, it is difficult to see a drone , so what is floating, because the water reflects it, that is, it is almost invisible, but there are acoustic means, well, usually, well, for example , submarines, well, i think that the surface boats that we use, they are calculated solely on acoustics, that is, i think that these acoustic devices, they will improve them and they will intercept some number of these drones, but this consumables, i.e. what we once again did to...

if the ship is going to sink, then you know it here, well , it’s like a bullet in a machine gun, well, not every one hits, but every single one that has reached it, it will already do what it needs to do, the same with these drones, it’s the same with big ships , for big goals and... well, you know, to be sad that they intercepted something there, sank some of our drones, well, they didn't sink them, it's a waste, once again, it's like disembodied flying machines, they don't all reach their goal, they are also partially destroyed, but listen, not all shells hit, well, here this this this this, this situationally normal, but the main thing is that they cannot fully defend themselves, this is very important, and both our shuttles and missiles, they intercept something, but we can see. and there is no point in directly destroying the su-34 planes. oleksiy hetman has already reminded that they cost 50 million

dollars, the russians can produce no more than 10 planes per year, although they used to produce five, and on christmas, the air defense of ukraine immediately destroyed them, let me remind you, two enemy fighters, su-34 and su-30 bombers. the first became known on the eve of the destruction the second stated the general staff of the armed forces of ukraine on the morning of december 25. we will remind you that the su-34 is one of the newest and most expensive russian combat aircraft. it is worth more than 50 million dollars. it is the su-34s that are dropped on ukrainian settlements, guided aerial bombs, which leads to large-scale destruction and casualties among the civilian population. su-30 is a plane of conquest, superiority in the air. russia has been using them since the first day of the full-scale invasion to cover its strike aircraft and strike at... ground targets, and a few days earlier ukrainian soldiers managed to shoot down as many as three russian su-34 fighter-bombers, and if you consider oleksya that russia

dropped 1,200 drones on ukraine in november alone, then i think how events will develop further, drones can be dropped from airplanes, they can be dropped using satellite guidance for 50-60 km, not further, yes. no further, they can now use this system simply actively, will this reset system not give the opportunity to reset 1200 cabs in the same way, because it is easier from planes, well, look, we say, well, let it it will be 60 km, yes, it is 60 km directly to the front line, that is, they have to fly up, well , at least 40-50 km, so of course we cannot deploy our anti-aircraft missile systems. directly where their artillery can hit, of course, we have to place them further, but there are certain tricks that we use, well, first of all, the patriot sees

further and can be outside the zone of impact of the russian artillery, because we will intercept the missiles there, but maybe to shoot down planes that fly up there 30-40 km to the line of desolation, well, there is another way of fighting - it radar stations that go almost to... to zero, it's dangerous, but they don't turn on and until it emits electromagnetic waves, it can't be seen, only it turns on, of course you can immediately calculate where the coordinates are exactly, where it is is located, well, it’s obvious, that is, it will radiate, that is, according to the point of radiation and that’s all, and the coordinates are already there, but how does it do it, well, it’s not some kind of secret information, to attack ambushes - it means that... the station is somewhere and on the way of the possible passage of their planes, which are approaching planes trying to drop bombs, well, as mr. danylo said, we

hunted for those planes for a long time. that is, they do not fly on the same route, that is, we had to calculate where they will be. this, this is an assumption, again , this is an assumption, this is one of the tactics of fighting, and here such a station is standing, it is not standing, silently, we have means of long-range radiation reconnaissance, we are helped by avaktions, american planes with such a puck on top , this is a flying radiation station, it can see 600-700 km, and any movement in the air, what, anything, immediately we, we are immediately in the center... we see it, and simply put, we see that this group of planes is moving, well, dropping bombs, and there, well, guessed it, didn’t guess an ambush, they don’t always come to ambushes, and if they already entered the impression zone of ours, well , for example, the third complex or the bukovo complex entered the impression zone, we know what his impression zone is, but he stands silently, and then he is told by the battery commander that the planes are in your impression zone, the station turns on for a maximum of

one minute. it turns on, it's instant captures the target, there is nowhere for him to run, because by the time he takes off, our rocket will kill him, the launch is being made quickly, the kubukovsky or the third, even our old complexes, not to mention the patriot, and they launched missiles, the missiles have not yet arrived, they turned off and left, everything was a blow , yes, an artillery strike is possible in that city at the coordinates where this station was located, well , it was there after the start-up , well... two minutes, they won't have time to set up and fire, but leave , this does not mean that you have to run far away, you can drive away for a kilometer and that 's it, that's it, well, it's conditional, well, i drove away for 2-3 km to close the topic, actually we have a few minutes left with you until the end, close the topic of air defense and close the topic of rap, petro kuzyk, commander of the svoboda battalion, said recently, we talked with him, and he said, you know,

they learned to use fp from us. but now they have already spent all their years in this, and they are already engaged in the improvement of the rebbe, and we have not yet reached this, he speaks as a person who is directly on front, i understand that we are also making certain advances in the reb, but what does it mean to hear these words from the military that it should be larger, quantitative, more diverse, or when we talk about the reb, that we need to work on it, what is it about , mr. oleksiy , first of all, we have slaves, just in small numbers, secondly, we just need them... a large number there is diverse, why is it diverse, well, that is, it is precisely about the number , but it is about the number, because what is the task, if some target does not fly according to the inertial control system, i.e pre-written by the program , no reb will do anything here, it is written internally and you cannot interfere with it from the outside in any way, but if it is controlled from the outside in any way, it is controlled from the outside by the operator or there through glanas they have navigation

there. then you can send your signal on the same wave on which it is controlled, or on those waves, just the same, on the same waves, which will jam this signal, and to him, as they say, the heads of the self-guidance are bad, it will obey more strong signal, here you can even intercept the control, of course, it won't be if it's on the same frequency, well, there will be two signals for the second wave, and it will move to listen, let's say, more powerfully, but it works, in a different way. can’t work , that’s why it’s important to blind them to the task, it’s a lot, i know, well, there are certain questions, oh, my friends there take part in the development of such systems, and there’s just a lot of things missing, you have to, but you don’t know this , ending on a positive note, you have to give when people ask you to give somewhere, it is necessary to donate, because these donations go, among other things, to the purchase of components from which

the same slaves can be made, because even then, people are made by my people who are not, let’s say, oligarchs, yes, that is, such as we are with you, well, a person says, i already have everything that i could, everything that i had, i already have everything, i just have, i don't have, i have, i work there, i have i'm there, well, i can't do everything, but i have to buy, he understands how to move it and understands how to improve it, and understands how to collect from what. support those engineers, who you know, who applies directly to you, who you follow, determine your focus. mr. oleksiy, i thank you very much for this thorough conversation, oleksiy gedman, a military observer, a participant in the russian-ukrainian war, a reserve major, was now in our studio, we are moving on.