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the 93rd separate mechanized brigade of kholotny yar is in dire need of fivi drones. to effectively hit the enemy and increase the losses of living and non-living forces of the occupier. to get closer to the victory that all of ukraine is waiting for. glory to ukraine. glory be to the heroes. may the telekal information day be in our studio with mykhailo tsymbalyuk, people 's deputy of ukraine, first deputy chairman of the verkhovna rada committee on social policy and protection of veterans' rights, lieutenant general of the reserve militia: "glory to ukraine, christ is all roldaye". glory to heroes, let's praise christ well, let's talk about the law.
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draft, we are starting our discussion of the draft law on mobilization, so until the 25th , the government endured, so to speak, a pause, and after that the agenda, so to speak, of many ukrainian citizens changed, yes, because the draft law contained several mutual, as far as i understand the contradictory provisions, well , there was already a reaction from, for example, the ukrainian shoemaker mr. lubinets and he said that certain things will be agreed upon, as far as we understand, the draft law will still... go through the series committees, would you please share your assessment? well, in fact, the legislation on mobilization in ukraine has long been in need of updating. and the first question for the government is why now? why did the government delay this issue for so long? and the next logical question: who is the author, that is , probably in the cabinet of ministers. such issues
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should be dealt with by people who know military affairs, and they would be obliged to hold consultations with representatives of the armed forces of ukraine, the general staff, the ministry of defense and other security forces, which today involved in the defense sector, and the state authorities, which should also bear and bear responsibility for the mobilization process. due to the fact that, when such a version appeared, it immediately looked like imperfect, raw and very controversial, because of which there was such a corresponding reaction, although some politicians and experts did not dare to express it, and i believe that today we should write that legislation , which, firstly, will really
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improve the system of mobilization in the state, and secondly, it will not be so aggressive and on the verge of not only violating the constitution and laws, but real human reason. we have to start from several things. first, now, all those who are at the front, especially under berka, that is, on combat orders, some of them already soon. has not been on rotation for years, people are psychologically, morally, and physically exhausted, they need a replacement, but the replacement is high-quality and replaced by motivated people who are those who are on the front line today, because of this, this is the task of the legislation, we see that the cabinet of ministers is already starting understand that this draft law needs to be refined. and there are several
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options, by the way, i said in your thread, this is on the first day, the first is the immediate withdrawal of this draft law by the cabinet of ministers, as the author of the legislative initiative, and by january 10 it is possible to introduce another version, agreed precisely with the general staff and other interested subjects of the legislative initiative, or do everything to to be adopted in the first reading. and by the second, it should radically change. the second option is extremely difficult, because of that it is necessary that the cabinet of ministers immediately, together with the people's deputies representing the national security and defense committee, or the working a group that, unfortunately, is already being forgotten, and most of them are specialists, so that we can develop the option that will actually provide the security forces. defense is enough
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as a mobilization reserve, the second will be fair, because the law on mobilization is not about a one-day action, it is a set of measures for... in order for the state, both today and for the future, to prepare, by the way, in the project states about recruiting, that the state needs it, but it is not in one day, secondly, it is said about conscripts, and this idea in general should of conscript service to go into the past, but , for example, in exchange for the elimination of conscript service, this version proposes as many as 60 days for the process of demobilization of these conscripts, i have a question, why 60 days, as all of them, without exception, served two or three terms already deadlines, for which they should be immediately given to the cabinet of ministers within a month
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to demobilize everyone, that is, that is what is actually needed, besides, the next stage is the bodies of local authorities and self-governments. you cannot place responsibility on them, because then what are territorial picking centers for, they should not only contribute, as it is currently in the legislation, they should bear their responsibility for how the records of those who live in one or another territory are kept, this is definitely their responsibility, but not the delivery of summonses, because even more so in this version. service of subpoenas by e-mail, firstly, not everyone has an e-mail or a draftee's office or is in the military, next, it cannot legally be considered service, it is just sending a message to clarify
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the data, that is, there are many things, i no longer i'm talking about blocking those who didn't show up on time, blocking their bank accounts, taking away... the right to drive a car, the right to dispose of property, even social benefits, yes, the mass media write that ukrainian men rushed to notaries en masse because of the new draft law and began to transfer property to wives, mothers, or even ex-lovers, it is a moving and immovable war, about this, well, this information was made public by our colleague yehor checherinda, yes, who is fulfilling his constitutional duty to protect. our states in the ranks of the respective military structures, this is one of the aspects of the reckless reckless preparation of the draft law or certain aspects, all this must be clearly calculated, discussed, and i
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am not for the fact that everything must even be brought out publicly, some things, and none of us should forget , that we are living or going through a period. special regime of martial law, it must all agree with the military. the main thing is those leaders, military commanders who make decisions. but, people's deputies, of course, we do the same as the entire ukrainian people all in order for the military today to perform their work professionally. including there should be the position of the ministry of finance and other things. now in this. the upper version proposes to partially oblige employers, that is, employers are responsible for how their employee will appear as a conscript at the tsc, including the delivery of summonses, we have to approach it
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differently, and i agree with the president here by the way , who said at the press conference that one soldier is supported by six employees, including paid employees taxes that is, here you need to really look at who to give reservations through the cabinet of ministers, these are those who today not only provide the defense sector, who simply work and are tax payers, and now the discussion has already started that let's not mobilize those who earn on average there they call the sums of uah 36, 56,00, this is probably also unfair, here we have to go out, consult with the military, people whose specialties are more needed, that is, i also... emphasize, on the one hand, such a discussion should have taken place with the military, and the cabinet of ministers , it seems to me that he did not do it professionally, or did not do it at all, and of course, at least with the national security and defense committee and this working group, which for so long worked out
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various draft laws, here znenadska came up with exactly such a version from the cabinet of ministers, ignoring the body of deputies , now i feel like that, they... are looking for ways to put out the fire that they themselves lit, so we will stop there, put three dots, let's say this, let's go now for... a pause and add a lid to our container one more speaker, but online we will discuss in particular such psychological, psychopathic moods of society, in particular regarding the new bill on mobilization, well, also about other social moods, so stay with us for a few minutes and we will be back. attention, an incredible novelty, unpack the tv, super warm and very comfortable alaska style boots, perfect fit. water-repellent material and a feeling of warmth even in 30-degree frost. alaska stayle boots have a universal
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veterans, a lieutenant general of the militia in reserve, and now we are adding oleksiy harany to our marathon. director of the fund democratic initiative named after ilko kucheriv, professor of the political science department of the kyiv-mohyla academy. we are talking both about the law on mobilization and about certain sentiments in society, but mr. mykhailo tsimbalyuk asked you to complete your conclusion on the draft law submitted on behalf of the cabinet to the verkhovna rada, yes, well, there, in particular, it is about certain constitutional inconsistencies, yes, as the commissioner emphasized. council on human rights, mr. lubinets. well, he meant precisely this limitation of rights and movement and use of social services provided for by this draft law. by the way, there is something there that concerns deferment, employees, teachers of higher educational institutions, as well as vocational schools, then, by the way,
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it is necessary to make corrections there, if such a version passes, we will be clear. it should be ruled, because in relation to higher educational institutions, the postponement applies only to teachers who have academic degrees, that is, it is wrong, because it turns out that all other teachers who do not have academic degrees, they are according to this version are subject to mobilization, all those who work full-time, everything else is canceled, that is... the draft law needs very careful, thorough revision, but i return to what i started with, it is extremely necessary, important, and it must be adopted immediately, and in the verkhovna rada, and it is important not to delay. we are adding mr. oleksiy to our conversation. mr. oleksiy, we would like to discuss with you
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precisely the mood of ukrainian society and, in fact, trust or distrust of our high-ranking officials. let's get down to discussing this a study that shows that 58% of ukrainians believe that ukraine will win this war in the short term. active and as of the end of the 23rd year, ukrainians trust president zelenskyi , the head of the mykolayiv ova, vitaly kim, and the minister of foreign affairs, dmytro kuleba, the most. i would like to ask you, mr. oleksiy, to comment on these results? well , look, let's give the picture for completeness, i will say that 88% of ukrainians believe in victory, just a part,
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the number you announced is correct, a part, another 15%, they talk about... that and maybe within three to five years, yes, in general 88% believe in our victory, and only 5% either do not believe, or rather do not believe, that is , i think this is a very good indicator for the second year of the war, an exhausting war, now you show us the breakdown by different regions, there are small differences, but in the south , let's say, there is a little more, up to 10% do not believe in victory, but in general, we see that in all regions the majority of ukrainians believe, believe in victory, there are still positive numbers: 63%, 63% participate in volunteering,
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here i see the numbers: ukrainians trust the president and believe in victory, let's correct it, shall we? that they believe in victory unequivocally, regarding the trust in the president, they trust the president, it is true, and i think this is good, because the president is the supreme commander, if we take, if we take the institutions as a whole, we ask who, which institutions you trust the most, then power structures, the army and power structures come first here, and the level of trust. to a-a, to the balance, oh, it is you who shows that the balance of trust and distrust, yes precisely, it is a balance of trust and distrust, you see that in the first place... the armed forces of ukraine, volunteers, the national guard, and the ministry of defense are 53%, once again it is a balance of trust and distrust, that is, it is from those who
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trust, minus those who do not trust, here the president has, say, 42%, if we take the absolute numbers, then 68% trust the president, and if we take and subtract those who do not trust. it turns out just such a number, well , you know, i think it's a good number, it's a good number, i think that such numbers on any western president or prime minister would also, also breeds, whom ukrainians do not trust , who has a minus sign, well, this is not news either, so, unfortunately, the lowest is in the political parties, the courts, the prosecutor's office, the verkhovna rada, balance of trust and distrust, minus. 38.5, the government of ukraine -32%, well, in principle, this is a fairly standard situation for ukraine, we have such a situation that
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the institutions of the president are more trusted than the parliament and the government, which is a pity, a pity, because in fact in we are a parliamentary presidential republic, yes, but we know that not everything works as written. in our constitution , and now also, about which you said that zelenskyi kim goes first, they have first, second place, and then minister kuleba goes, it was we who asked for trust in politicians, officials and public figures, i think that it is better to show, you know, the next table, where the balance of trust and distrust, so that our viewers do not make up these... pluses, minuses, oh, here it is, this is the balance of trust and distrust, well, first, second place, kim and zelenskyy, kuleba, jumped out from the distance, but i would have
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taken a more critical attitude towards him, then i leaned in, leaders, you see, malyuk and danila are also positive, they have a smaller balance, but they are the leaders of law enforcement agencies, come on, it's interesting that we have a minus sign there. because here we see a lot already in shmyhal -4, klitschko -5, hetmantsev -13, stefanchuk -13, tatariv -24, a gift for andrii borisovich -24, in rahamia, minus, minus almost minus 40, and that made me happy , this is what aristovych has -74%. this made me very happy, i must say, i am certainly not an evil person, but you know, when they started to include aristovych there in the list
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of future potential candidates, so be it our survey and the survey that ikmis conducted, by the way, it showed that he has a huge negative rating, but still, i would correct what your editors write. i would write, ukrainians trust the army and the president, so i would, so i think it would be more correct, yes, because we see that our security forces actually have a much higher level of trust, so what do we need to draw appropriate conclusions from, yes , mr. professor, please stay in touch with us in our studio, people's deputy mykhailo tsimbalyuk, and there is also an extremely hot question, and by the way, this is about sociological trust and distrust, because while the war is going on, ukrainians have not yet felt any economic shocks, but yesterday there was a statement by yulia sveredenko, the first vice-prime minister, who
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said that if we do not receive financial assistance at the beginning of the year, there may be delays in the payment of salaries and pensions for almost 12 million people, and here i have a question for you, mr. mykhailo, how did you react to this when you found out, yes and what, in principle, should be expected, what is the point people to prepare, well... for the sake of justice, yulia sveredenko corrected, uh, her statement, which was given in an interview with one of the publications, she said that this is not a short-term perspective, that it is possible, but as a last resort, that is, she has already practically denied that since january, and everything was indicated there and that's right, today the minister of social policy, ms. zholnovich, i'm still with her after that. i have not communicated this statement, i will definitely communicate tomorrow, it seems to me that this is, well, if in the state, who, even during martial law, someone
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will begin... to limit the payment of social benefits in the coming months, then such a government should immediately resign, headed by the prime minister, because this is unacceptable, i am not a great expert in economics, but talking to people in the know, $37 billion is a currency state reserve, excuse me, we need 3 billion additional monthly for social and other payments related to this sector. then they should close it painlessly until at least the first half of the year, and it is impossible in this period, when people are barely surviving, to do such statements, because it was the government that led to such a situation, but where is their plan, they said plan b, plan c. by the way, marchenko is silent on this topic so far, the fact that i did not communicate officially with representatives of the ministry of finance, then there is no such
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critical situation, and they... it is clearly the one who declares, then either it is not professional, or they do it in order to show to the outside what is necessary for ukraine, it is necessary to deal with this issue systematically, this government has already been working, excuse me, for more than one year, and they should have included such force majeure circumstances, i am sure that at least the first there should not be a quarter of delays with social benefits, if there are, then those ministers. already have to resign and give the opportunity to specialists to work in this field, thank you, thank you, mr. mykhailo, mr. professor, we would like to ask you how public sentiment can be affected by possible delays, or, for example, an increase in inflation, so we understand that sentiment in society are quite, quite difficult, to put it mildly , look, well, first of all, what i want to say, well , let's be honest, that is, without western economic and financial assistance, we
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would not have been exhibited. and we would not be able to pay everything that is needed by state employees and pensioners and so on. so, from what it looks like, we still receive the necessary economic and financial assistance, in particular from the european union, so let's hope, let's hope for the best. how do ukrainians assess this situation? well, listen, ukrainians, of course, they say that the situation is difficult for them. and here you don't need to be a sociologist, yes, it's enough to go to the stores, look at the prices there and compare with what we have in our pockets, yes, but i would, let's say, if you give these numbers, how ukrainians think, you know, about the economic situation, that is, if we talk about short-term assessments by ukrainians, they are a little more pessimistic, although the majority
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of ukrainians... believe that the economic situation will not change neither there nor here , but if we, and if we talk about the economic situation for 2-3 years, then the optimists prevail over the pessimists, that is , 35% will change for the better, 22%, which will change for the worse, and the rest that will not change, and when we ask ukrainians whether ukraine is capable... to overcome difficulties, only 7% say that they are not able to. excuse me, we have to stop you, because we have to finish our ether already, but it is very good that we ended on this optimistic note, that in fact there are not many ukrainians who think pessimistically in this direction. we thank you, oleksiy garan, scientific director of the democratic initiative foundation named after ilko kucheriv, professor of the political science department of the kyiv-mohyla academy. well
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, mykhailo tsymbal was also with us in the studio. people's deputy of ukraine, first deputy chairman of the verkhovna rada committee on social policy and protection of veterans' rights, general, police lieutenant. we are talking to you today with ankin borkovsky. goodbye, our colleagues continue their work, that's all for today. so. greetings to everyone who is with us, this is news, i am anyevamelnik, and i will start this issue with the following: law enforcement officers exposed the director of one of the branches of the state enterprise forests of ukraine, for bribery and...
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