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chevrons approaching victory. this year , more than ever, we felt what a great force it is help. we have proven that by supporting our military, we are bringing victory closer, that there are no big or small donations, any kind of our help. but we must not stop, we must do more for our soldiers. let's become guardian angels for them in the coming year. and let's make it our duty to protect their lives, the way they fight for ours. each of us

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a sufficient temperature without spending money on the wind. let's beat the winter together. we start with such a topic. putin wants to freeze the war in ukraine and is sending signals to the west, but the hostilities must be ended on ukraine's terms and in accordance with international law. this was stated by a representative of the main intelligence department on the air of the telethon. of defense andriy yusov, he confirmed that moscow really wants a quick end to the war, and ukraine also wants it, but on its own terms. let me remind you that yusov's statement was preceded by an article in the american edition of the new york times that the russian dictator allegedly signals to the west about his desire freeze the war in ukraine and start negotiations. this is exactly where we will start our conversation with ihor chalenko, head of the center for analysis and strategies. igor, i congratulate you. congratulations. such signals, plus a bilt, should probably be mentioned, yes. front, all this, what actually in

your opinion, i understand that it is very difficult to understand, but it is happening in the kremlin, because i hear more and more opinions from western analysts that putin is not ready to wage war, for example, in 25 years, that the resources he doesn't have much, as if in the kremlin they are generally counting until the middle of the 24th year, so what further then in their plan, well, for now we can say for sure that by the end of the 24th year he still plans to fight. based on those budget changes, well, in fact, they adopted a budget of 10.8 rubles, that is, we understand that they allocated funds, this just shows that they are actually ready to fight, but regarding whether putin is sending signals to the west, and putin constantly sends different signals, but his message is actually one and the same, the capitulation of ukraine, everything that the russian federation has looted, remains with it, and exclusively. on such conditions has

the negotiation process to take place, in fact, putin and the kremlin in general did nothing to start negotiations on really fair terms. instead, ukraine is now constantly and systematically conducting negotiations in the direction of the implementation of the ukrainian peace formula of president zelenskyi, three already powerful meetings were held last in malta, the next , as the president said during his press conference, will be in davos, obviously, and then it has already been gathered accordingly the summit of the heads of state, and this just shows the real applied work that... just the creation of the framework negotiation process, the russian federation on its part did absolutely nothing, even these documents that putin personally showed about allegedly that somewhere there, ukraine, russia, agreed on something and you show all the documents,

but he does not show what is written there, but thanks to high-quality equipment, people saw that there were actually no agreed figures, how diametrically opposed... that someone disrupted something, but in fact no one disrupted anything, there was simply a platform for communication to take place, but the russian the federation then showed that they did not want it, it is interesting that the already mentioned article from the new york times reacted to the disinformation center and there they said that the journalists of this... data, who wrote the article about russia's readiness for negotiations, information agents the kremlin, i will remind you once again, is the counter-disinformation center of our nsdc, by the way, i would like to draw your attention to the fact that during the last month our main intelligence agency stated that special information

operations against ukraine were being prepared, both regarding the internal situation and the external situation, and they directly said that these would be journalists who were with the russians, including in the early stages of putin's management of the russian federation, and said that there were even well-known media, but did not name them at all. actually , and now we are actually seeing the implementation of the scenario that was announced, let 's talk about the goal then, because, for example, the center for countering disinformation just notes that this so-called signal of the russian federation can actually be done to prevent further to the military aid of the armed forces of ukraine from the west, that's right in... volumes from war, that the war will be protracted. in your opinion, can such articles in general affect the level of support for us, from the side of our allies? yes, they influence , first of all, public opinion, from the point of view that allegedly ukraine does not want change,

that ukraine does not want the end of the war, that is , such a positioning is polar, as if only the russian federation is behind it, and in order to implement this plan this scenario should go as the russian federation allegedly says, well, accordingly, it affects, including certain congressmen in the united the united states of america, on certain representatives of the leaders of the states within the european union, really have such an influence, but at the same time i am grateful, for example, for the position of great britain, which directly says that it is necessary to strengthen military support for ukraine, that is , they directly say that well... no one really stops anything, or the position of, for example, mr. borel, who also says that putin is not going to stop, that is, these people can really be trusted, these are not journalists there in certain media, these are people who are in very high positions and have specific

access to, including secret information, and this just shows that putin is really trying to knock off the military and generally financial support of ukraine. therefore , it is now very important to speak the truth and try to completely eliminate the influence of such special information operations in the columns of the western media. ihor, just give more details for our viewers about the statements you mentioned, we will give them now, in fact, because we will start with britain, the world is threatened by the era of dictators, the minister of defense of great britain grand shabs called on the west not to allow the defeat of ukraine in the war with russia, because in the event of the victory of the russian... dictator , the world will be threatened with serious consequences, he said in an interview with the sunday times. if we let putin win this war by dragging it out, and he somehow wins by wearing everyone else down, then we will suffer the consequences, and the consequences will be incredibly difficult for europe, for britain and

for the world. the reason i say that is because we know what happens when dictators march across europe. on the map put the existence of the european union, dictator. putin will continue the war until the final victory, the high representative of the european union for foreign affairs and security policy, joseph borel, said in an interview with the guardian. he noted that if the eu does not change its course. quickly and does not mobilize its capabilities, it will allow the dictator to win the war with ukraine, and then the entire european continent will be under threat. putin will not give up the war, especially before the american elections, which could give him a much more favorable one scenario. therefore, we must prepare for a high-intensity conflict over a long period of time. russia was never capable of becoming a nation. it has always been an empire with a tsar, with the ussr, and now with putin. this is constanta. russia, its political identity, as a result, is a threat to its neighbors, and especially to us. we are joining oleksiy

boryachenko, candidate of political sciences, head of the international association of small communities. mr. oleksiy, congratulations. yes, i congratulate you. of course, we would like such a thesis and such positions to be followed, as just now voiced by josep borel and british defense secretary grant shabbs, whose quotes we quoted so that the whole of europe would think so, but alas... there is an exception, why do you think there are still russian sympathizers who believe that it is necessary to negotiate with russians , well, or to look for good russians, well, again, this is from one of the other series, what you just spoke with mr. igor, yes, emissaries who went not only to the united states, who also work, are working very hard including in the european union, work with european ones experts. analytical centers , mass media, and this is not

news to anyone, our special services, including the national security and defense council, have repeatedly said that the kremlin will always try to play on the divide, even within the united states, accordingly, so the european union, will play on political sentiments, will play. in the elections that are due to take place in the european union next year, and in fact there are a lot of these sentiments, the right is now coming to power in a number of countries, even in the netherlands there is such a threat, moreover, well, nobody likes to pay money, yes, their taxpayers to help ukraine, yes, everyone understands that... the country has already entered the path of the european union,

an appropriate political decision has been made, but the money out of your own pockets you have to spend now, it's very pragmatic, it's very very so the politics of easy solutions, so to speak, yes, but it 's taken quite seriously in the same united states, especially in red red states. republicans, so-called there, yes, deep-seated americans, from whom the policy of targeting is so attractive, and somewhere to pay taxpayers' money to ukraine, which is somewhere far away, even more so in a period of such political turbulence, well , of course there will be those politicians who are on this, on this position will play as soon as... such politicians or parties appear, sponsors from the russian federation immediately appear, they spend

huge amounts of money to promote their agenda, and you and mr. igor were just saying that so to speak, yes, they are many they speak through that the very new york times about the negotiations on their terms, and here everything is very simple, in fact, they say, look, you will not spend ... funds, and we will not go further in ukraine, yes, that's it, is that it is it true, is it true, of course, no, it does not answer, oleksiy, this, it is not true, it is true, but there have already been cases in history, let's now also include mr. igor, the question then is for both of you, it was 2008 year, georgia, 2013-14 - ukraine, it is necessary... for the year 2022 to happen, full-scale aggression, and it seems already then

the west realized that it was necessary to oppose the russian federation, because before that they turned a blind eye to such actions, i am already silent in general about transnistria, so the problem that actually stems from the collapse of the soviet union, is there already political will, if we use ukrainian terminology, for to show russia that this is not the way to act with our neighbors, well, so far at this stage we... see that everything is fine, but if we take, for example, the 14th year, the emphasis was on economic sanctions, then we remember we know that even then and from the west there were signals that it was not must be active. to fight and, by the way, putin took advantage of this when he ignited the donbass, because the west thought that everything would stop with the annexation of crimea, but then the war began in the donbass and putin tried to interrupt the emphasis, accordingly, and some european countries still fulfilled the previous contracts despite the sanctions providing, equipping to russian weapons absolutely, but again, the 22nd year was different

buchi, all the crimes that were, they showed that it is impossible to somehow feed putin so that he is satisfied, and this desire to do business, as well as previously with the russian federation, it did not lead to anything, because everyone saw that putin was destabilizing the situation in the european part of the world, much more even than, sorry, adolf hitler, it was before the second world war, and everyone remembers the second world war, so the world, he was horrified in the 22nd year, but again... the world was not only horrified, the world was surprised at the heroism of the ukrainian people, at the fact that the ukrainian authorities, for example, were told to go into exile, leave, the ukrainian authorities remained, they told them to work there partisan struggle there, what did they give for, what for they gave, well, they really gave before the partisan

war, the ukrainians said, no, we will defend our land, and the world had to rebuild, and that is why for... now the world , including the russian threat, is beginning to come to an end, and in it is finally coming to nato countries precisely through the prism of ukrainian heroism. oleksiy, your opinion is interesting, because has the democratic world seen that it is impossible to come to an agreement with putin, at least by appeasing him or giving him what he wants. yes, we saw it, literally, you even quoted it. statement borel, in which he very clearly stated that aid to ukraine cannot be suspended, only it needs to be increased, yes, because the security of the european union itself, and in principle the european continent, depends on this direction. by the way, this was also discussed by charles michel, with the european commission rusula fonderlein, europe has already evolved, and here

ihor is absolutely right, because of... events in ukraine, first of all, to the fact that you cannot trust russia, you cannot negotiate with russia it is possible, because the russian federation is always an empire, and it will threaten democracy in i'm sorry, i'd like us to start a rather active discussion, i like it, but i'd like to clarify, are you saying that we can't negotiate with russia, or that we can't negotiate with putin, or putin... russia is now one thing and the same is perceived, at least by the western world or the civilized world, but there will be someone else, and why not agree and then on what terms? igor, this is also a question for you later, your opinion is interesting, but oleksiy, let's start with you, yes, yes, you are absolutely right, and you beat me to the punch, my opinion is that it is impossible agree with putin's russia, 100%, after

the reset of power in putin in... the russian federation and the arrival of a democratic regime , it will still be possible to renew some contact with them when they come due to the awareness of the horrors that they have created not only in ukraine, all over the world, he moldova, georgia and other countries, when they admit all this, when they repent, yes and compensate for the losses, then why not, that's why i personally usually divide for... myself the russian federation, well russia, yes , and putin's russia as an authoritarian dictator regime, and returning to europe, does europe, especially its eastern flank, the baltic states, finland, poland, understand that the russian federation will not stop in the event of negative

scenarios in ukraine, and of course, yes, that is why even the deadlines for preparation for the modernization of its own armed forces, because germany talks about 7-8 years, and poland itself, it is more realistic, and they understand that it is a maximum of 3-4 years. you already mentioned in the studio about increased budgets, in our country every third ruble of the next budget goes to the promotion of the flywheel, the military industry, in russia federation, and what are you really, someone thinks that this is solely for... improving their positions on the fronts of ukraine, but of course not, even the rhetoric at putin's press conference, when the journalist began to ask questions, says so. accordingly, putin is very serious about the issue, he understands that this is his

last political term after march 17, yes, the reset, and he will most likely really threaten both nato and the european union, and here is a very serious question, whether nato will be able to implement his agenda of protecting these countries, that's why it's a big question, that's why many countries... first of all, they will count on their armed forces of ukraine and on those armed forces that will be formed in europe. we will continue to talk about the ukrainian armed forces, stay in touch with us until we have moved far from this topic. igor, how to negotiate, does the west want to negotiate with russia? and the important aspect that oleksiy said is remorse on the part of the russians, we don't see it at all now, although the so-called good russians are still in europe. sheltered and probably these are the people with whom the europeans probably want to do business after the era of putin or i don't know after his overthrow. well, if we talk about europeans, then i can

mention, for example, the rating of the european editorial office of politiko, where in the group of dreamers, after volodymyr zelenskyi , oleksiy navalny was placed second in the second position. this is precisely the search of the european political elite for contacts with... native russia and to show that the future without putin is possible, but, again, it is all the same, who will come after putin for of ukraine, but this person and this team must fulfill fundamental things, fundamental points. the first is the recognition of ukraine within the framework of the 91st year, internationally recognized borders, the withdrawal of troops from the territory of ukraine, acceptance of the fate of necessity. operations and payments for the restoration of ukraine, and of course the complete and comprehensive de-rasification of that, you are jealous, and there should

still be this collective responsibility, after all, it should be borne, just like the german example, because again, good russian - this is in fact, this is an analogue of good germans, as back then in the times of the second world war during the world war, germans were called there who... supported hitler and they became a kind of bridge to the restoration of germany and to repentance, so in this case i think that in principle the future is possible, but with the implementation of clear algorithms and actions. well, yes , this is after the end of the war and obviously, after probably tens of years of remorse, but it is obvious that we need to strengthen our defense and we need to work in this plan, let's talk about it in more detail, because ukraine is planning a military. hope review operations russians, the question of military support from the west will be constant until ukraine starts a full-fledged economy, as stated by the minister of defense of ukraine rustem umyerov

in an interview with the public. he called the situation with the delay of the aid package from the united states difficult, but controlled, according to him, neither the united states nor europe refused to support ukraine, and the reason for the delay is the issue of internal politics. our last conversation with the secretary of defense of the united states, there is additional support on the issue of ukraine, it will take place according to the procedure that they now are discussed, he emphasized that the support will continue, that is the main thing. igor, let's start with you briefly, i'll remind you that oleksiy borichenko is still in touch with us, there are indeed some delays, but the discussion is not the same as before, say, two years ago, during the beginning of full-scale aggression, or when were the first bells, to support ukraine or not? obviously to support, but now there are nuances, in what way and in order not to harm one's own defense capabilities, yes, because no one was ready for such an intensity of combat actions, and the resources in many countries are actually

exhausted, what is now looking for ways and building up the military industry of their countries, what is this time lag, as the experts call it, we have, that is , when european and american gunsmiths will reach the level that they will not there were a number of certain names, weapons, look, everything depends on needs, specific needs, the war in ukraine showed that the weapons of the last millennium are a little irrelevant, and it often makes no sense to produce armored vehicles in such quantities if they can be destroyed drones, it makes no sense to produce artillery in such quantity and so on, well, artillery is showing itself now, no, i just want to say something else, everything is just so crazy. the need today for 155 mm, we see, now the production is unfolding in the united states of america, for example, by the end of the 25th year, they

want to reach 100 thousand. of artillery ammunition 155 mm per month, and in principle , they now have good growth and good dynamics, the same situation is now happening with the european part, look at what rhine metal is doing, for example, they are also increasing but they understand today that the war in ukraine models for them in general how the wars of the future may take place, and therefore they are also now looking at us, what they need to order, in what quantity, and so on. but this just shows today that ukraine should continue to receive the necessary military aid, the same that our general staff is asking for, because it is very important, last year we saw a very crazy time from the beginning of the request, it was almost 10 months, remember , as was the case with the cluster munitions we received in the summer, in the end, the remaining missiles , well, really, but at the same time it just shows that

our... armed forces see directly on the battlefield what is necessary today, and it just shows that today the modernization of the ukrainian military-industrial complex is coordinated with the american one, for example , with others, it already shows that we are creating a truly military complex of the 21st century, something that can give an answer on the battlefield, and putin is also like that, he is investing in technology, he is trying to invest, and now it is already obvious that he is destroying the old remnants of the soviet , directly on the battlefield with... ukraine, but at the same time, the production of the same drones, the same radars, radars and so on is also increasing, that is, it is clear that they are also not standing still, and the world must respond to this adequately. oleksiy, how do you see this cooperation between politicians and the military, because quite often, and we see it on the example of romshtein, there are certain things that are discussed by the military, the needs that the military of different countries understand, because

they actually communicate with each other. language with ukrainian representatives, but then political moments appear, because that's what politicians at the level of their states coordinate the provision of certain elements important for ukrainian defense? yes, you are absolutely right, it is about political decisions, first of all, and political decisions, they are based one way or another on financial support, on financial capacity, in many ways, but let me make one literal remark to the previous topic to that list of conditions, yes, after which the russian federation can, so to speak, yes, return to some kind of civilized life, here you are, in your studio, it did not sound unusual, which is an important criterion, indicator, this is the denuclearization of the russian federation, that is, or the total deprivation of the russian federation over nuclear weapons, or as such a light option. this taking

of this nuclear arsenal under the control of other countries or some other state-by-state organization is, in fact , a key safeguard against the fact that the next authoritarian, so to speak, reboot of the russian empire will not happen again, and now in relation to the armed forces of ukraine, in relation to the needs , well, again, many are oriented. even among investors of the united states, let's say, for financial support, let's call things by their names, and of these allocations 60, almost 62 billion dollars, there are agreements on the placement of joint production facilities in ukraine, there is a priority for air defense, there is a large percentage of localization of this production in ukraine, which

accordingly will not provide. ukraine has, at times , probably the most modern military-industrial complex on the european continent and the most powerful. here, but for this, manufacturers really need to understand that it is not they who will now invest huge funds in production, but that anyway, the biggest donors, such as the european union and the united states, will be able to make a big serious order to start these processes, so really one or. 50 billion from the european union and 60,000,000 from the united states, they are also somewhat hindering the final decision by international military , let's say, corporations, about the deployment of full-fledged military production in ukraine, but in reality.