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gentlemen, let's go back, we were just talking about this with ivan stupak, an expert and a former, in fact, an employee of the sbu in the 15th year, and he said that you should finally stop posting the results of hits, the results of hits, i see, there is such a popular telegram channel, such yakovlev brothers, who are written in them that they are veterans of the azov regiment, i honestly do not know, maybe they are really veterans azov regiment but i see that they are literally posting the results of explosions just in houses in kyiv in real time, i don’t understand, but can someone check those yakovlev brothers, whether the fact that they were allegedly in the azov regiment allows them to do everything whatever, i don’t even want to repost that, but just so you understand, everyone has already done it, bilt reposts the explosions in kyiv from their uh... video materials,

that is, we either show it, and it ’s allowed by everyone, or it’s allowed by the yakovlev brothers, which, as far as i understand, are engaged in something political activity against the political opposition there in ukraine, in general the problem of these telegram channels and the issue of information security, it has already matured, to be honest, if all the truth is sought in such telegram channels, then in principle we have a level of trust in anything in this ... will be minimal, without trust in the average society we will not be able to do anything, neither make changes in the economy to withstand the blow, nor carry out a normal mobilization, i think it should be obvious, but maybe there will come a time when when society grows into power, we have had this happen more than once, it's just that we didn't have a full-scale war with an external aggressor at that moment, well, i just don't know , come to your senses a little, people, okay, let's move on, now and then

there will be another cold shower , because we will discuss the national income strategy, which was adopted by the ministry of finance, this national income strategy until 2030, will be, and actually we will talk about how we will live according to this strategy and what will change for us as a result, will it get better or worse, ilyan skhodovsky, an expert on economic issues. we add it to our ether. mr. ilya, we congratulate you. good morning, if it's a really good morning. well, well, since we are alive, we look further into the future, and the truth is that it is a little overshadowed by this national income strategy itself. valery pekar, in particular, a well-known economist, a ukrainian teacher at the kylian business school, calls it a national strategy of corruption. yes, that is,

well, literally. mr. ilya, do you also see the risks that valery pekar saw in this national strategy? well, look, i am i will simply explain the logic of the ministry of finance regarding what... what is laid down in this national revenue strategy, and when we have certain problems with income to the budget, we constantly emphasize that, first of all , we need to focus our efforts on those as much as possible large schemes that cause significant damage to the state budget, this is a matter of customs, more than 100 billion hryvnias are lost at customs every year, and this is a serious amount, this is a matter of trade. by excise goods and on excise goods , uah 27 billion is also lost in this year, this is the issue of alcohol trade, this is the issue of gasoline, this is the issue of counterfeiting, this is the issue of gray wages and

so on, and this strategy should first of all focus its attention on the fight against these phenomena, against corruption, which leads to ... the fact that the budget does not receive a significant amount of funds, however, the ministry of finance decided differently, it focused its attention precisely on those who pay, on those who work in the modern legal field corresponding to ukrainian legislation, i.e. the ministry of finance not actually notices those corruption schemes that exist now, which cause losses to the state of many billions of hryvnias, and he focuses attention himself... on small schemes, convincing, including the international monetary fund, that the biggest problem is concentrated there. a blow to small business and the middle class , why is this necessary? maksym lotsiba, one

of the activists, co-authors of many draft laws, he wrote, well , as harshly as possible, i think, in a comment two hours ago, he writes about what is the feeling that the office of the president... and the cabinet of ministers are systematically working to limit freedom in ukraine, and further says that here he mentions freedom of the media, censorship and telethon, but also says that the freedom of economic activity is limited in this way, and perhaps he even asks russian agents are preparing us for an uprising in society and the next military defeat, but for such moods in him, to what consequences all the measures that, if this national strategy is implemented, can actually lead to. there are two options here, really, as you rightly pointed out uprising, but there is an even more terrifying option, in my opinion: now a lot of ukrainians are abroad, the women of many are abroad, the question is where will they return, to which country are those who

are currently fighting and those who are currently abroad or not they will want to, because i often hear now, especially after the publication of this national strategy, what investment... directly in ukraine, how can we be competitive here in the european union, and the realization that you will not be able to be competitive in ukraine, this leads to the decision to move one's enterprise, place one's production facilities abroad, i.e., the worst risk will be when business will move en masse from ukraine to other countries, to turkey. poland, european countries , the united states of america, canada, despite the fact that a certain ground has already been prepared there, because people have moved there, there are ukrainians who are already familiar with the legislation that is in force there , the conditions under which business operates there, and this is the biggest

risk, not even a question of what is there uprising, the question is that a person will simply understand that there is no future for him here, and will simply decide to be with... abroad, that's what i see as the biggest risk. the national strategy, by the way, i do not categorically refer to it, that everything is negative, no, there are a lot of right things that need to be done in order to close certain holes, but the very logic of this process, the document was being prepared closed, with analytical centers were not discussed, we applied directly, even tried through the international monetary fund, provide any please let the ministry of finance... give us such an opportunity to get acquainted with the document, the document was not presented to the public, the document was not discussed, the document was immediately approved, this is absolutely wrong, this is a non-inclusive process, this is the inability to point out the mistakes you made, this

is a statement of fact, the only thing that pleases me is that it is only a concept, that it may simply not be implemented, but at the same time, the ministry of finance received a wonderful trump card. what he will emphasize now, the imf demands its implementation, again he will to manipulate, that is, he used to have such a way of memoranda that he would write certain absolutely negative things there. things for our business, and then demanded that they be implemented, saying that this is a requirement of the imf, and now accordingly, if you do not do it, then the imf will not give money, now it will cover itself with this national strategy. in general, i want to say that i have many questions for the ministry of finance during the war, in particular this issue of blocking tax invoices, it was the adoption and changes to resolution 1165 that led to those mass blockings, completely unjustified, which actually stopped. but mitsino has a question , it turns out, for the hard-working military leadership, as we have now learned that they

are commenting sarcastically, then give us money for mobilization, well, a question, for example, now you will hear another such manipulative thing, instead of me asking a question , why now during the war officials are paid bonuses, i do not understand how a person in the rear can receive bonuses. all the awards must go exclusively to the front, there is, not only that, but it is certain such manipulation, when an institution is created in which the staff is bloated, this staff is not filled with suitable vacancies, is the so-called saving of the wage fund, and this then saved in quotation marks the wage fund is directed to bonuses, sorry, why does it not go directly. to the front, that is, the question remains open, why such manipulations remain, why they do not economize where it is

necessary to economize, at the same time they emphasize the fact that here are international partners, if you do not give us help, then we will not be able to pay pensions, but i'm sorry, pensions and social benefits, this is the last thing that the ministry of finance has the opportunity not to finance, it is protected by the articles of expenditure, in the first place you will not finance it, accordingly, it is from... the purchase of various payments for works, services that are not protected articles, and only if you cannot save the appropriate amount already on these articles, then there may be problems with the timeliness of payments to state employees, therefore, in this context, i emphasize once again that there are a lot of questions for the ministry of finance, and this national strategy, as it developed and that it is written there, well, there are many questions, i personally will not support it in general. we have people, they are not very well versed in

economic matters, they do not have such an economic education, some basic, basic understanding, moreover, i think that some people there will look at us and say, so why don't i have a business, i am neither a medium -sized business nor a large one, but those businessmen, they have money, so let them pay, and how can i explain to them that what we are talking about with you now is important, whether it will affect everyone this is the national one strategy? do we have a minute to answer? very briefly: where do you work? you understand? it does not mean that this business, it is not very profitable, this business will simply close, this business will simply move to another country, and you will not have jobs, you will not have proper wages, and most importantly - in there will be no competition for us, we will not be able to. properly compete with the european market, and this will lead to the fact that you simply will not have a job, or

there will be a job with the way it is now, there with the minimum wage is several times less than that of our polish neighbors, this is exactly what this national strategy leads to, it is not aimed at stimulating business, it is aimed at filling the state budget as much as possible from any sources , which are possible, which can be reached without touching those sources, which i think are relevant, including the office of the president, and those in power who are covering up some schemes, we literally have 30 seconds left, very very short shmyhal went to ask for money, they say that from next month there may be no pension and so on and so on, a very difficult situation, at the same time, for example, preferential tariffs for the population were extended, shmyhal himself said that it is 400 billion per year, that is, where logic, we are at war, there is no money, benefits and tariffs. i am about utility tariffs, again, this is not the first thing that should be filled in

the budgets, i emphasize, there are many other items, expenses that can be used to fill the budget, but it is far away, sorry, not the utility company, increased accordingly electricity , the cost of electricity, well, where next, accordingly the process, today it is competitive with us in comparison with the same prices that are in europe, this leads to the competitiveness of products, thank you, panel, thank you. the language is milyana shkadovska, an expert on economic issues was in touch with us , a viewer writes: how come our people do not understand the economy, from which point of view do you perceive us in general, dear friends, i am not saying that all of them are, of course, those who understand, but in mass own the economy during the war, the stressful state in which our country has been living for 10 years, after

a full-scale invasion, the situation has worsened many times, but the enemy. it was not possible to break us, our courageous defenders hold the front, business forms a reliable rear. in the second year of the full-scale war , metallurgical production is gradually recovering, the banking sector is in the positive. already this year, thanks to the help of our partners , new models of ukrainian armored vehicles are appearing. after all, among minefields and under enemy fire, we collected a record harvest. espresso analyzes the business results of the year. congratulations to all the viewers who joined us on the espresso tv channel. my name is tetyana golunova and today we will talk about how business works during the war. in particular, we will summarize the results of the year together with our guest. and this is the founder and owner of the

opti global group of companies, petro kovton. so, mr. peter, i welcome you to our studio. please tell me how much 2023 differed in the nature of the introduction of work from the first war year? good day, greetings, greetings, greetings to everyone, it was a difficult year, but better than 2002, the 22nd, er, there were not so many power outages, er, there were not so many... arrivals, but not as scary, i guess, as it was immediately, clearly a better year than 2002 , they also prepared for blackouts, yes, yes, yes, yes, ready, ready, prepared, bought generators, bought starlinks, and even then they bought, survived it

all, connected, now spent t... maintenance of all equipment and ready, but please tell me a little more in detail for of our viewers about their business, and in a year we practically turned a profit, ugh, our group of companies also has call center services, this is opticonnect, we provide outsourcing services. call centers also for various requests, for surveys, for support, for support, well, various needs that are needed, sales, anything, anything, we also provide these services not only in ukraine, we also provide these services abroad , well, now

we have started to provide these services in poland, and then... we plan to provide them to other countries as well, we also have a recruitment agency our agency, ugh, we provide recruitment services, we look for qualified personnel in other companies, and we also have a direction that we are developing, we actively began to develop freight transportation. right now, well, let’s say this , we have taken up this direction and are actively developing it in ukraine freight transportation, it is now only in ukraine, yes abroad, we do not go abroad now, we have freight transportation in poland, directly we also have a representative office there,

they travel around poland and europe, here we develop in ukraine, compared to... 2022, in the current year , now in 2023, it was still easier for the company, that's right, the profit is higher than in 22, yes, and i know that you help the armed forces of ukraine, yes, tell me , please, is this some kind of special program you have, or maybe you are conducting some actions, how is it happening, we have been helping the armed forces of ukraine since the beginning of the war. began to help, we help, as we donate from ourselves, from our company, a group of companies, and in ours. the client application has a section where people can also donate, clients ie clients can donate, yes, we help

the armed forces of ukraine in this way, and we also help children, who need help because of the war, uh, uh, we work with foundations, popular foundations, and in this way we help both the armed forces and children and please tell the families and families of those affected, maybe you can mark some special trend for 2023, what was the trend of your company this year, maybe it is charity, maybe it is some kind of loyalty... what can you mark as a trend in our company, in your , in our companies, well, it's probably, let's say, both development

and maintenance, although we grew by 19% in profit in business, as if a group of companies is developing, well, it's the same, it was also such a difficult time, then... that everything changes very quickly , we need to make decisions very quickly, there is a war , it makes its own adjustments, and we are also going to europe, laws are changing very quickly, and we need to adapt to these, to new legislation, huh, and we also need to transform business quickly, and we we do it successfully. you probably employ good specialists, people with special education, such as you are recruiting staff, you have a good team

, high-quality, yes, yes, i believe that people are the most important thing in business, business is built with people, without people we cannot do anything ourselves, that's why we are loyal in our company, let's go always. to a meeting with our employees, and we are understanding of the various situations we faced , faced this year, a lot of employees went abroad, some returned, some did not return, and we had to quickly transform, and also hire new employees. well, we are also, we are also from this was done. what challenges do you face for the next year? considering what happened in 2023, what are

you planning, what are your plans, what are your dreams? plans, development, expansion, increase in profit, return to profitability. er projects, well , we probably have short-term plans, and please , what can you wish the viewers of the espresso tv channel, your wishes for the next year, dear tv viewers, er, i wish you good health, love, comfort, harmony, victory in the new year, uh, to... fulfillment of wishes, may wishes come true, and everyone be well and all the best. mr. peter, i am very

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