federation, that is, a repetition of the collapse of the soviet union is constitutionally impossible within the same framework in the russian federation, well , the russians have been learning for the last few years , that is, we hear about it on the battlefield, we hear about it from our military, from commanders, and in this understanding not to underestimate the enemy. this is absolutely, absolutely, so to speak, the biggest mistake that we can make today. it seems to me that it is important not only not to overestimate, it is also important to understand correctly, and i have a rather serious conclusion that it is in ukraine that russia does not understand more than even in those countries that have never been part of a single state body together with russia. this confuses me, because the way russians are not...

ready to understand russia, because they consider ukraine, because they consider it an extension of the russian civilizational organism, and every time they meet with another development of the situation, they think that these are some wrong ukrainians , which simply need to be destroyed, all other rules do not draw any conclusions, they simply believe that some people who are on the payroll of department, or even there are supporters of some nazi ideology, as vladimir putin says. and if ukraine is cleansed of all these people, then all others will be the same russians as all russians who worship the kremlin. in the same way, ukrainians believe that russians cannot be different, and every time they come across proof that everything is happening in russia completely differently than in ukraine, they simply fall into a stupor. yes, i, i, will repeat myself a little in one of the interviews, but from printed, not televised, interviews. i was just thinking about it

said that we know that ukraine is not russia, and we have overcome it, but we are surprised to discover that russia is not ukraine, that is, we are surprised by russia, because to a certain extent we also impose our way of thinking on them, our mentality, we would never start this war, and we would never... conduct it in the way that russia conducts it, and what valery zaluzh says, but i was surprised that russia did not stop war, when such a large number of victims, yes, yes, yes, yes, and from this point of view, and here i will, so to speak, pull institutionally, in fact, what we need in ukraine is a rethinking of russia, we need, in fact... decent russian studios, because we,

we make the same mistakes that the russians make, who do not investigate us, they do not study us, and we have the same situation, this may not be a popular opinion, when the main trend now in ukraine is that, in fact, everything russian should be canceled, but we need knowledge about russia, without this, without knowledge and aware of not only our largest neighbor, the most aggressive and deadly neighbor, well, our future looks very doubtful, i want to support you, mr. serhiy, because i believe that this idea to cancel, so to speak, russia, is a trend of resentment and deep contempt, which is connected with russian victims on the territory of ukraine. however, if ukraine at all wants to survive as a sovereign state, and even more so, if ukrainians want to survive in their territories as a people, because this is... an open

question in history, now that we see all the determination, and a long struggle, we must know russia better than the russians themselves, but we read the history of russia in the conditional interpretation of karamzin, in the conditional interpretation of solovyov, now in the conditional interpretation, you wrote ukrainian history, hrytsak wrote his history... of ukraine, we know that ukrainian civilization itself began there as the history of ukraine was seen by hrushevsky, then there was the famous suptelny textbook, you can list it, list ukrainian historians who wrote that history of ukraine, which is different from its russian version. question number one: who is ukrainian historians wrote the history of russia, where is it? i i i think that this is ... absolutely urgent,

urgent task, i also thought about the example of the poles, from whom there is a lot to learn, but they have such a ... world-renowned history of russia was created by richard pipes, an émigré, a jewish an emigrant from poland , interwar poland, the origin of his father was from lviv, from galicia, and who became not just one, but one of the most powerful and determined, and we have this task ahead of us, i remember the words in in the mid-30s, then me. or , i apologize, people's commissar of foreign affairs litvinov, who wrote in a letter to a colleague that the west, when it talks about the soviet union, does not understand anything, the poles understand, but they understand too well, so we have to

find ourselves in the situation of the poles, understand russia too well , so good that it would be uncomfortable for them, this is the idea, well, that's what's important here. there is a moment, if you mentioned richard pipes, i suddenly remembered one of his theses about russia, theses, which, by the way, he was able to write after many times in the soviet union. he said that , according to his conviction, russians very often lie simply for the love of art, they lie for the sake of lying, because lying itself is a part of life and a part of survival, and it seems to me that the russians do not really understand ukrainians here either, so what if... he has a goal and he wants to hide or slander or distort information, and the russians can lie just like that, a person who has never lived in russia, i lived in russia, for many decades, can confirm this thesis of pipes ,

she will never understand this, always when she is betrayed, deceived, they will look for the purpose of why she was deceived, and she was deceived just like that, and this is important as well as us... a total difference, it is very important for me to understand how much ukrainians will realize the extent to which these two civilizations , which have been together for so long, are actually different, yes, so the question, the question, i think, is also related to empire and a certain form of empire, in which, well, let's say, byzantium. sometimes it is said about the east, where actually the truth is surrounded by many , many untruths, that is, eh, and it became, it became a cultural code, pybes also very interestingly turned out to be the favorite historian of surkov, because

pipes, even in the 90s, when everyone admired the fact that here today, tomorrow russia will become fully democratic, pipes. said as a historian that it is simply impossible, that historically, historical, so to speak , cultural dna and genotype is connected precisely with authoritarian power, and surkov, who welcomed pipes in moscow and showed russian translations of his books, spoke about that , that he i understood russia, because for surkov and for the people around putin, it was also the legitimization of their authoritarian rule, but if... the pipes were not used, but it is clear that he understood many things that his colleagues did not understand, and this understanding was connected, i would say, first of all with the experience of polish history, because the poles and eastern europeans were looked at as outsiders in the 90s, when

they were knocking on the door of nato and asking to let us in, which means, well, they looked like some urban obsessed, but today... today we know it's good enough that they were right, and those who didn't were very, very wrong, i remember the words of zbigniew brzezinski at one of the conferences devoted to nato and nato expansion, which was a controversial topic in the united states of america , he said then, it was about 10 years ago, he said that if this had not happened, today we would have discus. in the united states of america were not about ukraine, but about poland, so we still have this experience, we are getting it, we are getting it at a very heavy price, but it is not can be released, and

self-awareness, understanding of the enemy, and the way to the future must be built on it, well, this is an important question, because if you talk to an average ukrainian about... the further course of events, at least this year, you will definitely hear from many that russia will fall apart into several parts, by the way, the president of the russian federation, vladimir putin, also spoke about this, as one of the events. regarding russia just at the end of the year, he mentioned it, because this is another conspiracy theory, i would say, which the russians adhere to justify their aggressive actions, and we adhere to it on the contrary, and that putin will die there, his regime will self-destruct, and everything will be fine, but here there is another question, and whether the ukrainians themselves are ready for a long-term neighborhood with a strong, aggressive, tough russia , which will be a part of this world of dictatorships, if you like, partners, or an equal partner, or

rather a geopolitical neighborhood of china, or ukrainians understand what exactly with such a russia, which will exceed ukraine many times over in terms of demographic potential and economic opportunities, and perhaps in military power, ukrainians will have to live, perhaps even more fundamentally for the survival of our state ten years, and what they are ready to do so that this neighborhood does not... lead to the disappearance of ukraine from the political map of the world. this, this is the reality for which you have to prepare, for which you have to tune in. miracles happen, especially in authoritarian and personalistic regimes, because there biology, biology is the biggest, most important factor, but counting on a miracle would absolutely be the biggest. by mistake in fact , it would be suicidal, i.e. a suicidal strategy and tactic,

we must learn to live in these new conditions, of course, and plan, plan not only for the next, next month or next year, for the next decades, must be developed strategy, tomorrow may indeed be different... prigozhyn may be some extremely serious changes in moscow, but we need a reality, which was actually understood by the same richard pipes, that authoritarian systems and aggressive systems, imperialist systems are not interchangeable day or in one week, they change, but this is a very long process that can take ten... years, and this is the strategy that must be developed in ukraine, regardless of who is

in the kremlin today, and whether this policy is actually genocidal in relation to ukraine, whether a new yeltsin or navalny suddenly appears on a white horse, that is, we are dealing with a historical empire, with certain codes of behavior and cultural codes and all. all of them, all of them, these codes are aggressive and threatening, threatening to the neighbors, that's it history of centuries. we, of course, hope that one way or another we will become part of the event , become part of nato, become members of the european union, and there are certain obvious developments about this, because negotiations on ukraine's accession to the european union may begin next year, many hopes for the washington nato summit, together with this... we heard this year from the president of the united states, joseph biden, when he met with the president of ukraine

, volodymyr zelensky, that the condition for ukraine's accession to nato is ukraine's victory over by russia, and this is an important point that says that ukraine can remain between the west and russia for quite a long time. this is dangerous for us, but the question arises, how should we behave in a situation where the continuation of russian aggression in one way or another... ukraine is in a gray zone for an indefinite period, what should we do in this gray zone? well, of course, i am convinced that ukraine's accession to nato will take place, i also cannot imagine a situation in which this accession will take place in the conditions of a war with russia, well, that is the reality. i also don't really... understand, high hopes and then disappointment, promise us this or

promise us something else, because well, these promises are stupid for joy, that is, presidents change, politicians change, we had promises with the budapest protocol and the summit, that is, i do not understand why to build on this, or real politics or at least information policy, we are going to nato. we will not formally join nato until this war is over. so, when this war will end, we do not know, and there should be a model, a model, well, conditionally. say, the model of israel, that is, very very serious, or that of taiwan itself, that is , the continuation and deepening of relations with our allies, and what was interesting last year was that europe, which in the 22nd year

was somewhere behind the united states of america, suddenly acquired its own. .. subjectivity and specifically pro-ukrainian subjectivity, so that europe has become an even bigger factor than it was in 22nd year, this is our strategy, which exists today, which must be developed, which must be to deepen, and once again, this year we saw harmfulness, unjustified harmfulness expectations, and how much they beat morally. of the status of society, as far as they can be harmful in war, and in this sense, realism, realism is our salvation, realism regarding ideas, perspectives, including when it comes to nato. and tell me, you mentioned the israeli model, but 2023 was just the year, i

said, for many people to be disappointed in israeli fashion, mr. sergey. because by and large everyone has always believed that the state of israel is a state that can definitely guarantee the security of its citizens if we are talking, well, at least about conflicts with terrorist organizations that control the lands of the palestinian authority, and that from this the palestinian state that may or may not appear someday, there is some serious danger for the state of israel, well, rockets shelling yes, there are some terrorist threats yes. there are some captures of military personnel, yes, but the fact is that the bandit organization hamas has not only transformed, but is also able to carry out such a raid on the territory of israel, and besides, it enjoys obvious sympathy among the broad intellectual and public circles of the civilized world, where they seemed to remember their nazi past, no one

could even suspect it at the end of the 22nd year, but... in war, as in war, the allies do not cancel the status of war as such, and the dangers , the risks that come with it, and israel is just one more, one more visual proof of this, but it is about the fact that none of the allies, the allies of israel, has not retreated from israel, we in ukraine started talking about what we are now becoming in line for the same troops... equipment, weapons and so on, for by the united states of america, which is needed in the middle east and by israel, and this is precisely the strength of these alliances, this is what i meant, neighbors, neighbors, no alliances can cancel, and aggressive

alliances, aggressive neighbors , terrorist neighbors and so on. that is, it remains, it remains in the longer term, it is said, it is about international support, and support is not only moral, that is, it is morally there in various places, as you said, but very practical, military, economic, that is what can israel is getting by without nato, and i think that model is an interim model for us until we get into us. you know, the war in the middle east unexpectedly revealed trends that the war in ukraine did not reveal , this is, on the one hand, the bankruptcy of certain intellectual circles in the west, and this is not the first time this has happened, but it has now happened with all the obviousness in those american universities that you know so well, now there is an obvious crisis of morality, and on the other hand there is the so-called right march, the strengthening of right-wing

populist tendencies in western countries, primarily in europe, just as well for many. for those people who are now ready to vote for right-wing parties, october 7 was the day when, as they say, their eyes were opened, and obviously not only to the actions of terrorists from hamas, but also to how right-wing parties perceived migration in europe, and these seem to me, are two very dangerous trends that are yet to be seen, how they will end for help to ukraine and generally for stability on the european continent, and maybe in the united states as well. well, there are several, several factors that are really changing the world, one of them is migration, so from... conditionally the third world to the first world, migration, refugees have become an extremely important factor that changes the political, political situation in europe, it

also changes the political situation in the united states of america , and a large number, a large number of these refugees are precisely from the middle east, are precisely those who may be, are not, but may be, because they are supporters of khamaz. or or means to be enemies not only of israel, but simply to have, to have anti -western, anti-western sentiments, this is one of the main topics in politics, the world politics of the first world during the last, perhaps , 10-15 years, and we now see, that is, very specific consequences in the conditions of a specific foreign policy crisis, another factor, we like to talk about it, but as a metaphor, about the information revolution, but the information revolution, just like the industrial

revolution, it comes with social changes, with political changes, with the emergence, the emergence of new parties, new ideologies. the information revolution is access absolutely unlimited access to means from to... er to the same twitter before, that is, there are no disappeared, the authorities have disappeared, well, except for vitaly , before tiktok, mr. sergey, before tiktok, twitter is already some kind of classic book from the past, yes, well, as a historian, i am simply lagging behind, but this is the world in which we yes, the world in which it mobilizes defines itself, and in fact the traditional elites, who were uh... controlled the discourse in one way or another for centuries, today found themselves in a situation where they can no longer do this, that is, the old

world has not collapsed , but he has very serious tests, at least on this, on these two levels, which are new factors of the last 10-15 years, how to learn, how to live in this world, we still do not know, we have to learn. well, then, at the end, i will ask you what year 2024 will be, will it happen that at the end of the 23rd we will be talking like this, i will tell you, mr. sergey, and we talked about it all at the end of 2023, you know, it is difficult to predict , especially when it comes to predicting the future, but what i can say is that we are getting closer. to some new, if not turning point, then a decisive stage in this war. before that, there were actually two such stages, the first was

at the end of february, the beginning of march, when ukraine and the ukrainians decided that they would fight, no one expected this, nor did they expect it from a historical point of view, traditionally. everyone was afraid of a large russian soviet army, from the czechs to the poles, who were planning to withdraw and so on and so on, that is, historically ukraine broke the pattern, this was the first defining moment, the second came in april, when the americans, our the western allies decided that okay, maybe this is serious, that is, this country should be supported and supported not at the level of... guerrilla warfare and struggle, and now we have reached the end of the 23rd and 24th years, and this time in the 24th

this year, when, in english, this commitment, that is, when the decision of the ukrainians to fight and the decision of the west to continue this support and support at a completely different level must... a rethinking of this should take place and an answer must be given, and depending on what answer we will get from ukraine, what answer we will get from the west, the future of the war will be decided and possibly the end of the war as well, so the 24th , even if the line moves or doesn't move and where it goes, in terms of decisions, it, it uh... could be a decisive year , and this, this, this is what will rather happen and is happening in our heads, in the heads of our allies, and only with time

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