ugh, this is very different from serving in a parish, if we are talking about an orthodox , traditional church there, because it is a different schedule of the day, these are completely different people, we cannot impose our faith on military personnel, preserve their religious freedom, someone there may be a non-believer in your unit, someone a believer, and this is no place for prasylitism when you are recruiting. their religious needs within the limits of their competence and within the limits of their religious freedoms, of course, someone, maybe there, he does not want to go to services, and this right must be protected, to keep a military serviceman, so that the chaplain is also not... that does not harm his

service, this is a different schedule, when you have to come to the service, somewhere you have to become a military man, but he will not turn into a one hundred percent military man and remain a priest, but he is no longer such a priest as in civilian life, and that balance is also difficult for a chaplain to maintain, where when you have to pass, let's say, 50/50 of these skills, if i tell you that i've been a witness to the conflict of a military chaplain and a civilian chaplain, and a military chaplain, without restraining emotions, asked why you will not tear yourself away from the trough, when you have already eaten, i will not say now where it happened, because it will be unethical, but the story of me, i was waiting for our conversation with you, because i wanted to ask this question, this is a story about the fact that we understand that a priest... ministers are, they are people

first of all, yes, and also with pluses and minuses, but they, they try, like each of us, to be closer there, nevertheless, here is the feeling that perhaps our religious community in our country does not fully provide support, a comprehensive chaplaincy community, do you have this feeling? er, well , let's say that no one should provide, our community is provided by the state, the state, the religious community in the army, or some special support of the chaplain within the church community, well, for me it is enough, for someone it may not be enough, and this is a question for every religious person... since the orthodox

church is a young church, well, a church that was constantly in repression and persecution until the 18th year, we can say, and there until on the 14th, the church and... which were destroyed, institutions were destroyed, priests, even under yanukovych's regime, it is very difficult to build such a structure, for example, as a roman catholic church, which has its own funds, support funds, structure, and generally in ukraine religious life was destroyed, and we are still...

rebuilding this, the religious spirit, the self-willed religious spirit of ukrainians, this is also important to know, because and because of that, well, it will constantly arise, and secondly, the moscow patriarchate made us such a surrogate religion, we have seen nothing but a sample of such, because in ukraine it was a majority, a religious majority that... destroyed other religious communities, and they provided such a religious surrogate. we see life in the kyiv lavra , the monks, and how they behaved, we have beautiful brothers, the greek catholic church, which set an example of service, and as an example, for example, probably this is the ukrainian catholic university, which we see how there are, what are the fruits that she gives... the good works

of the church that she leads on the way out, and if we are talking about the orthodox church, then it is only being rebuilt, this is yours. do and sure, we want everything, but we can't do everything, and then we have to tell our faithful and these people who want to do it, to come and do it, no uncle with a beard is going to do it for you, huh, and that's why i i became a priest because i wanted social service to be developed in the ukrainian church, that is why i am engaged in social service, so that i... for example, i had a dream that i want to see a chaplain, so i can become that chaplain and try to be that chaplain , which i would like to see, and the church is a community of people, so any person can to come and bring about changes, as in the state,

as in the church, and in any institution, however difficult it is for you, or you are sympathetic during... these periods when you are with our military at the front, in fact, when you go back to the home front, do you react as a member of the clergy, or do you react as a member of the military to what you see, yet as, as a priest, as a priest and a citizen, uh, of course, that i belong to the military community, but the priest is a representative... still such calmness, peace, this is a spiritual friend , this is the spiritual leader of the unit, but he is still not a military serviceman to the end, that is why he can be such a mediator between

civilian life and military life, well, and sometimes intervene and say something, but ... okay, and now the world is in a state of turbulence, and it is not only about the russian-ukrainian war, we see how the situation in the middle east is developing, in particular and on a religious background, for example, this is how we understand the duration of the muslim conflict and jews in the territory of israel and those territories that would become palestine. and karl volokh once remarked, i say, i look at all this, at the awakening of certain anti-semitism, such movements around the world in connection with the situation, and not only, and sometimes it seems to me that ukraine is like some kind of oasis,

an island of health sense, precisely in this sense, because first of all, our people, and there are also many of them. component in the context of religion, we have representatives of both muslims and jews, and not only that, and it all works, it all works in the context of one army, it all works in the context of one state, but what do you think? does ukraine really have a chance to become a bastion of such common sense for the whole world, at least an example that it can be, uh, when we win, and when we follow the victory, we will be one of the most powerful states with a lot of experience, for today there is a probability, that we can lose also lose this religious freedom,

because there is, i call it, i call the moscow patriarchate, for example, christian fascism. when totalitarian states use the religious factor in their interests, the same can be said east, what is happening there now with israel palestine, because a priori any religion is a religion of good, like judaism, like islam, and christianity, this, the concept of love for a person, do no harm and so on, but we we see when... a totalitarian leader comes and he begins to rule the religious community, this community becomes aggressive, and you can return as you want, what you want to do, and the main thing is that we do not become

like that, that we preserve that religious freedom and understanding, why, why is there faith at all, huh, and what... because in ukraine there is a tendency to believe in what you can't believe, and to ignite a conflict very easily between people, and the main thing is to prevent it, i think that it is precisely the common goal of victory that allows people of different views to gather and unite, but the enemy does everything so that we are separated as well, and he also does it professionally, and we must always be, let's say, on the alert, how it looks inside our army. we understand that

the spiritual needs of our people may be different because of different religions and it's also normal, how is it, how does it go together, do you have, relatively speaking, friends, colleagues, and, please, please, friends, colleagues from another faith. of another religion and how does it all get along in one army? well, not long ago i was a chaplain in the command of the territorial defense forces, this is the largest number of chaplains in this type of army, there are about 80 chaplains, assistants who belong to regular communities, and in the chaplaincy service of the territorial defense of the armed forces of ukraine there are muslims, there are jews, there is a representation. of the kievan churches and i recently there we created an interreligious chaplain council

of ugu to help each other, and for example, in one of the brigades, he is the chaplain of the brigade, he belongs to evangelical christians, this is such a christian trend in faith, there are many orthodox in his brigade, and for example, there will be christmas is coming soon, and at christmas , of course, everyone is used to seeing the world, even those people who do not go to church, they want to sing carols, they see the priest to sprinkle food with holy water, read a prayer, and of course he preaches very well , he knows the word, the holy writing, but he is not an orthodox priest, everyone knows about it, he invites an orthodox priest from a neighboring unit, who... together with him to the big worlds, traditional for orthodox people

, close, let's say, the needs that he cannot do and provides guardianship specifically to orthodox christians, as well, for example, we have a chaplain and a mother, we also had a patron of the territorial defense forces there, we had to vote, but the patrons of the agricultural defense forces were, of course, all of them, representatives of the christian community, it is in general, it is not even among all evangelical christians, there is no such thing as honoring saints, there is no such, there is no such tradition, it is among greek catholics, orthodox, there are some leterans there, and even he actively participated, this our a muslim, he has a religious education. and he and the orthodox priests made suggestions in the same way, and for sure what we can

say when we say today what the ukrainian church is, in general, is any religious community that brings peace, goodness and helps its people. two, almost two years of the great war, and... and you, in this war, since 2014, probably one of the most difficult tasks, in particular, to lead our troops on their last journey, knowing that one of them will now go into battle and most likely will not return, you also provide this support, then the support of their families, who will turn. i have a question: do you work with psychologists, is it exclusively, or does faith help

in this way, well, i mean, i have no idea how people charge it, how do you charge it? priests are the same people, they are traumatized in the same way, they are like that they burn out, they can kill some things, that is, it is delayed on health and physical and mental health, of course we have our own psychological retreats there. we also carry out, let's say such supervision for each other, how stable am i, do i need to rest, of course your family, and close people, and siblings help you, and it is important to monitor yourself and what is happening to you, and i i think that every

priest does this, if someone does not do it, it is necessary... to understand that god is sending you a psychologist and close people through whom he acts to support you, to support you, and also in that there is faith, the faith that god is in every person who will support you, i apologize if i now somewhere crossed the line of something personal, but these are extremely important things, very practical, in my opinion , and now, when we... talk about politics, about the military situation, about the situation in the world, almost everyone has come to an agreement that this war will be difficult and long, and there is no need to bewitch yourself with some tomorrow borders of 1991, swimming in the crimea and so on further, and it is not very ethical at all

, it seems to me, in relation to both our military and people for whom this is not just a territory, but a home. everyone now reaches this moment already exhausted, in fact , until the moment before this understanding, and it seems that our, our souls are simply empty, but there is still a way ahead, it is not known how long, what would you advise the military, you work with the military , of course, but also to civilians, who are now someone, someone, someone is apathetic, someone is disappointed. someone is terribly tired, who also works with the military or with people injured during the war, someone is terribly angry, so angry that when we talk about the commandments, it doesn't work for some reason, what would you advise these people, well, her commandments work, the main commandment of love , because we will

protect what we love, ugh, this is the main commandment, this is the source of our... unlimited motivation, i always say that the secret of ukrainians is unlimited motivation, unlimited love, because we cannot get tired love your children, ugh, we don't we can get tired of loving loved ones, our parents, well, you tell yourself, you tell your children, you know, i'm tired of loving you, or i can't do it anymore, what is unlimited motivation? the example is very simple: imagine that you or someone close to you is sick, they need the simplest medicine there - aspirin, but we urgently need aspirin or some vitamin c. we go to the pharmacy, but the pharmacy is closed, and our actions there will be such that we will go to another pharmacy, but i would complicate the task and say that in the city of kyiv all

pharmacies are closed, after curfew or something, but she's just... in the white church, shall we go to the white church for important medicine, of course we will, no matter how hard i make this task, the person who needs it, and when i will say when you stop the answer must be one but if we are all here and resist then they won and if we see 91 and regain independence then we see it was all for nothing huh. for these people was not in vain, was the defeat of the orange revolution, but we at the orange revolution, they made a revolution of dignity, did the revolution on the granite lose, or now we see, these are young young students who went to the revolution on the granite, today they are very famous people, politicians who influence society, and we

see that it was also not in vain, and usually also our... struggle, it lasts for many years, but we will see what the enemy has done, whether the enemy has taken at least one regional center, whether he has implemented the plans that he declared, that in three months they will take luhansk and donetsk regions , what putin declared is nothing did, did ukraine get a lot of help at the beginning of the full-scale invasion, did it have such a, well... a very powerful moment, and of course, you just have to say to yourself, and everyone should say to themselves how much i will fight and... what motivates me for our struggle, i have two grown-up children, i will fight for their future until the end, i love my people, my parishioners,

military personnel, the earth, our worlds, our christmas, and i want the carol to ring throughout ukraine and in the temporarily occupied territories, therefore, i will fight until we win, and we talk about it... as a soldier, always, and find an understanding, and if we really love our people and love our land, then we can speed up the victory in two ways, it is in unity, in unification to wash one to another, like military personnel at the front, like civilians who now live in half-sized cities, but this is the elimination of corruption, this is first of all, the same continuation

of such bureaucratic systems that hinder the judicial system, and to be kinder to each other, and christmas itself teaches us to be kinder to each other, because the one who really loves is invincible. the last question, i promise you, i'm sure, has been asked many times already, forgiveness, under what conditions, for how long, and in general, is it possible to coexist with these people who, if not personally took part in it physically, but is a source of trouble. which came to our land, because it was they who chose it, because it was they who kept silent, because it was them, well, we can continue and so on, as and when, and whether, whether it is possible, and whether at all we

we have to think about it now, eh, we can think about forgiveness after victory, because evil is punished, we can talk about forgiveness if the person who committed the crime repents of this crime. understands that she committed a crime, and not only does she ask for forgiveness , but she corrects the crime committed, and when we see that a person is corrected, and the crime committed, which is now created with our people, with our land, it will be difficult to forgive and difficult to correct , but this is decided by the whole society, and we can talk about it. and join any dialogue after victory, just peace, just victory. thank you for this conversation, serhii dmitriev,

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