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of the city military administration is in touch with us. glory to ukraine, mr. vitaly. glory to the heroes, congratulations. well, the situation in avdiivka, the enemy continues to advance in the avdiiv direction, right? well, you, you know better, share, be kind extreme news. ah, well, indeed, today is already the first day of the new year, well, unfortunately, no serious changes, nothing new has happened here, everything is, in principle, as it was, as it is. the enemy , well, let's say this, the last couple of days did not carry out any serious activities in terms of assault actions, i mean, but he compensates for all these things with the work of artillery and aviation, and yesterday there was a lot of artillery and barrel, jet and mortars and aviation, today is also not an exception, in the morning five rockets flew into the city during the day, there were still

six rockets, and well, let's say so, and artillery shelling, well, let's put it conventionally , at this hour there are already more than 40, that is, they are chasing in the city, on the way to the city, in terms of positions, in general, there are hundreds , well, in principle, to say, let's say so, something is new, well, unfortunately, we cannot state this, everything is unchanged. mr. vitaly, what is the current situation around stepovoy? we see that, well, at least this is what the deepstate maps indicate, about what is there now the enemy became more active, as in principle, and in the past weeks and months, but we understand that their offensive there does not stop, and we would like to understand what, in general, how their attempts to gain a foothold in the steppe end, because we see that there they are also developing their offensive on nova bakhmutivka, which is further north, what can you tell us in this direction? and indeed this is one of their

priority directions, and why? because, well , first of all, their main goal, the first priority is to cut our logistics, to cut the road, the nearest point is precisely from the steppe, so that to implement this plan of theirs, that's why they really put a lot of effort there, yesterday, today, well, i repeat, they didn't carry out any serious actions there, and this gave us, let's say, an opportunity for our... guys, to clean up a little here this direction, the stpv is fully controlled by the armed forces of ukraine, so that all these zradophiles don't disperse there, it's difficult there, it's really difficult there, and yesterday we drove into the city and saw how our guys were pulling up reserves in that direction. according to novobakhmutovka, well, they see that they are not can get a foothold in the steppe, and therefore they try to bypass it a little.

how to say things, well, for them, yes, for us it is from the left flank, so, well, to say that the situation there is very critical there, no, i wouldn't say that, but really, this is one of their priority areas, it yes, mr. vitaly, if we talk about the number of the enemy in the avdiiv direction in general, has it now significantly increased, if i don't know, compare it with the monthly situation, well, what we see. let's say so, on the leading edge, then in principle it is unchanged, as it was with them, and there are, let's say this, well, there are no problems with the personnel, they are in order there, if there are any conditional delays in the transportation of the personnel, then it is evened out there, i don't know there during the day, that is, it is not something serious there a critical situation for them, as far as some specific number is concerned, well, they are called differently, well, now in principle. at least what the guys say,

there are, there are some interceptions, but for sure they concentrated more than 20 thousand in our direction , of course, which is a little, shall we say, deeper in back, because everything that is closer is our boys. they are working out in the rear areas and in the close rear areas, and well, they are tightening up, they are tightening up what they have been doing for a couple of days, let 's say, they are not actively storming, we understand that they are again waiting for the weather conditions to freeze a little so that they can go by vehicles, well, and apparently , the reserves and bc are being pulled up, and the personnel is already a little closer, well , the guys are constantly in touch with the commanders, they understand that something, something, something will happen again in the coming days. there will be another aggravation, we know about that road, orlivka, semenivka, this is the main road of life in avdiivka now, and we understand that, at least according to the latest data that you announced, in particular in our studio, there are approximately a thousand, more than a thousand civilians

who continue to live in avdiivka, i would like you to clarify what the situation is with the desire to evacuate avdiivka by civilians? unfortunately, not many people have recently been willing to evacuate, today, for example, we evacuated only one person, er, although there was, let's say, yesterday was recorded for today, if i'm not mistaken, or six, or five or six people, in reality one person left, uh, well, it's a shame, but - this, this is the reality of our life, mostly in the last week we see that people leave or ... well, i'm sorry , 200 or 30 people, yes, when they get injured, and it's really these statistics , but every day i look at these numbers, i look at them, for example, minus minus four , yes, i look at the evacuation of two people, that is, two people died, and then i figure out, one died,

one wounded and such almost every day on it's a pity, you know, this statistic is negative due to people who die and are injured and usually leave. then to some medical facilities, safer communities, as of today, as of this evening, 1,183 people remain in the city, and children, how many children? there are no children, we took the children out a long time ago, we could not find the child there for a certain time, about 5 months, then it turned out that they had left, found contacts, well, that is, we still have children, let's say, before the adoption of this resolution on forced evacuation in our country... almost no more it was, well, let's say that we, the police, and volunteers worked very fruitfully on this matter, well , children are of course such a painful topic, so we paid attention to families with children in the first place. mr. vitaly, what is the situation with reb from our side from the side of the enemy, and in general

, what is the situation in the so-called small sky, to what extent the enemy is actively using various unmanned systems now. well, at the expense of our slave, i will not comment on anything, there you will be a little quieter about this, the enemy, unfortunately, has it, and they are very active it is used in certain areas, not everywhere, of course, not everywhere, but nevertheless there are, at the expense of unmanned aerial vehicles, the tactical level of the so-called eagles, they use it very actively and a lot, sometimes it happens that on duty there are two -three constantly on davdiivka, sometimes more, as far as fpv is concerned. and recently they have been using them a lot and very actively, both in positions, sometimes they fly into the city, well , on the road, of course, on the road as well as the one road that we have, which we just talked about what they said, orlivka, semenivka, berdichi,

lastochkina, and along this road they, well , the last eight kilometers, very often, when they have weather conditions, allow them to use fpv drones. they take them, well, as on duty, you know, there are three conventional three such segments of seven kilometers each, and they take these segments, well, from the nearest point of theirs, they take off on duty and try to hunt down any equipment that goes there , whether it's an evacuation, whether it's just the civilian population driving their personal transport, or whether it's the boys the military, whether it is humanitarian aid, in principle they do not care about the main thing. to hit, if they went on duty and did not meet anyone, let’s say, the batteries run out, then they, respectively, where in these sections, or it is orlivka, or it is the same semenivka or raionichiv, they simply fly into the village,

try to find a more or less whole house, or if there are any signs in the yard that someone lives there, and they just hit this house, that is, things like that. happens very often. thank you, mr. vitaly, for your service, for everything you do for avdiivka, and of course, thank you for participating in the live broadcast of the tv channel. vitaly barabash, head of avdiivska. which military administration was working now on our live broadcast. well, let's go further? let's go further, but before that, let's take a short break, have a few minutes of break, after that we'll come back, we'll talk about sacred, in fact, very important things for us, about our national memory and how the russians are trying to destroy it, so stay with us volodymyr vitrovich will join us, we will discuss this in more detail with him, so stay with espress. there are

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learn new things, together we grow. join us, become part of our enable me ukraine family. with support national assembly of persons with disabilities of ukraine, enable me ukrain. information day in rospol, well, that night the enemy hit the museum of the commander of the ukrainian insurgent army roman shukhevych, so the museum was badly damaged. we are in touch with volodymyr yatrovych, people's deputy of ukraine, historian, head of the ukrainian institute of national remembrance in 14-19 years. glory to ukraine, volodymyr. congratulations. well, a coincidence, no, not a coincidence, the enemy most likely deliberately

hit the shukhevich museum, because the same at night, the enemy also hit the dublian agrarian academy, where stepan bandera, the leader of the organization of ukrainian nationalists, studied at one time . well, i have very little doubt that it was deliberate , precisely because it is not... the only object that was affected, really, was the combination, the destruction of the shukhevych museum along with the destroyed building, the university in dubliani, plus the fact that it happened. january 1, before bandera's birthday, leaves very little doubt that it was purposefully moreover, it absolutely fits into the broader concept of what russia is doing during this war, destroying ukrainian cultural heritage. it is obvious that everyone immediately thinks of the destroyed skovoroda museum, but it is also possible to mention more broadly about the destroyed libraries, destroyed books, stolen

exhibits in museums in the south of ukraine, the destruction of cultural heritage, this is... one of the elements of the genocidal policy carried out russia is against ukraine, and in this context, the events that happened that night near lviv, in dublyany and in bilogorshch, leave very little doubt that it was purposeful. look, that means, rather, this means that the enemy will strike additional blows at certain objects of national memory of ukraine, in particular, when it comes to the memory of fighters with the communist occupation regime in the 30s, 50s, almost certain , what is the plan of action, which in your opinion should be, because we understand, well , the necropolis museum in itself was valuable, in particular , it is about biloghorshcha, because there roman shukhevich took his last battle, there he died in battle, on the other hand, we understand that roman shukhevych's strength does not lie in

certain memorialized objects, but his strength, because... he entered into what is called not just the national memory of the ukrainian people , the national present, so people look up to him, yes, and i think that visited that museum, well, i don't know 5% of those people who consider roman shukhevych their hero? well, first of all, you need to understand that memory in any case needs a certain infrastructure. museums, monuments - this an incredibly important tool that allows you to leave. to the public consciousness , the most important thing that happened in the history of the country, it is obvious that we can say that the destroyed museum does not mean the destroyed memory of roman shukhevich or of stepan bandera, it is true, but in any case it does not matter, it is very serious losses, if we are talking specifically about the shukhevych museum, then i do not know whether any exhibits from this museum have been preserved, so far the information is very different, there is

optimistic information that some... artifacts of this museum were taken away it is pessimistic that this has not been done , it is obvious that it still needs to be checked, but in any case, unfortunately, we can state that one of the most valuable artifacts of this museum, namely this house, which became the place of roman's last battle shukhevicha, she is really destroyed. once again, this does not mean that the memory of roman shukhevich will be destroyed, but i am convinced that precisely with such targeted attacks on artifacts on the infrastructure of memory, it is obvious that russia is setting itself the goal of ... was in the end such and such destroy and memory, although to me it seems that she was very late with this, because in fact, it was precisely the full-scale invasion of russia into ukraine that triggered the changes in the awareness of roman shukhevych, the ukrainian rebel army, stepan bandera, so far that it is difficult to imagine now that it can it is possible to roll back in some way, because all over

the territory of ukraine, the absolute majority of ukrainians consider them heroes, consider them those who fought for independence. and only this year, last year already, i'm sorry, in the fall of the year we held a sociological study the poll, which was related, among other things, to the memorialization of roman shukhevych , which showed the following figures: 87% of respondents said that roman shukhevych should be in the ukrainian national pantheon, 67% expressed a desire for a museum dedicated to the ukrainian insurgent army in their locality, obviously roman shukhevich. 92% of ukrainians believe that the struggle of the ukrainian-pslav army is history. shukhevych should be an integral element of the exposition of the national museum of the struggle for independence, that is, the absolute majority of ukrainians no longer think about the memory of the struggle for independence , for freedom without such elements as roman shukhevych and the ukrainian insurgent army, so i am sure that the museum and this museum in biloghorsh will be restored and i am sure that

the museums dedicated to the ukrainian insurgent army will rise up throughout the country. now on our screens we see a video of our colleagues from suspilny, which actually show what is happening today at the site of the destroyed museum, and as we can see, the bust of roman shukhevich was saved, because our own mr. maksym kozytskyi, the head of the lviv regional military administration, reported that some of the exhibits were able to retrieve roman shukhevich's lost memorial items, such as a table, chairs, an armchair, and a piano. as well as the bust, but we see that the bust, luckily it was saved, it survived and says that the rest of about 600 pieces of exhibits have been moved to another city since the beginning of the full-scale war. now they are safe, we hope that this information is really true, and mr. volodymyr, i just understand when i saw this frame, as in fact in one fell swoop

shahed managed to destroy such an important building for us, because i myself was personally in this museum, and you know that i think that we still have such a category of ukrainians who are against decolonization, and we see that the russians are de-ukrainizing. .. blame in any way, and the way we saw the resistance monuments in kyiv , it was difficult to convince the public to demolish catherine ii in odesa . nationally, and for ukrainians to be more responsible treated decolonization, and actually this process took place a lot in our country. faster and more efficiently, well, first of all, thank you for the video you showed, it is important for me that the actual sculpture of mykhailo cherysniovskyi, this bust of roman shukhevych, is

one of the exhibits of this exposition, because mykhailo cherysniovskyi is also a ukrainian rebel who then ended up at immigration, and his work is, well, actually a very important element of the memory of roman shukhevych, very good, very good that it has been preserved, and it seems to me that this... adds additional symbolism to this particular exhibit, which is about decolonization, it is obvious that it would be better if ukraine, the ukrainians were ready for these processes much sooner, but better late than never, and eh just last year, the parliament finally supported our decolonization idea, the relevant decolonization law was passed and the process started, the process started even in odessa, i remember very well when they told me, well, you can think... a lot about that , as ukraine will be to give up some russian heritage, but kateryna, you will definitely not move from odesa, because it is one of the symbols

of this city, and even patriotic ukrainians, no, no, not all patriotic ukrainians will be ready to support such radical steps of yours. as you can see, kateryna is no longer there, as you can see, decolonization is already becoming a state policy and in the near future there will be dozens of renamings of settlements that are related to e-e. the colonial heritage, as we can see, was finally jumped off its pedestal somewhere by mykola shors, another example of how they tried to preserve these remnants of the russian, soviet, even in the capital of ukraine, even the patriotic mayor klitschko, who believed that this film sculpture was very valuable to him personally, and it should remain in kyiv despite the adopted legislation, so in fact, shifts are taking place , i think that they will continue these shifts and more and more ukrainians ... are joining this, i am subscribed to many groups on issues of toponymy there, decolonization, which concern the south of ukraine, the east of ukraine, one of the best groups is currently working, to example in

kharkiv, and i see what colossal changes are happening there right now, and it seems to me that it is very symbolic that now one of the easternmost cities, where there is stepan bandera street, is the city of izyum, which was liberated just at the end of 2022, so the changes , changes are coming and... these changes say that these attacks, although they are very painful, it is very difficult when we lose such important artifacts for us, but these russian attacks are really too late to make any fundamental change the consciousness of ukrainians, perhaps, even on the contrary, perhaps these changes push us to understanding the even greater value of what we are unfortunately losing. today we also celebrate the birthday of stepan bandera, so we understand that stepan bandera... he had an enormous impact on the formation of the modern ukrainian nation directly and indirectly, and in any case we understand that he is not a local figure, that is, not

a local-galician figure , and accordingly , we would like to ask you about how the figure of stepan bandera is perceived in the east and south of our country, absolutely the same, since 2014 very serious recorded shift, changes in the consciousness of ukrainians, in the assessment of stepan bandera, the majority of ukrainians throughout the territory of ukraine, in all regions of ukraine, consider bandera a fighter for the independence of ukraine, a hero who deserves to be honored. i think that this is happening not only thanks to the work of historians there, who also did a lot to make ukrainians understand who stepan bandera is, but it is also happening thanks to the circumstances in which you and i found ourselves, thanks to the fact that now it is very many ukrainians, especially ukrainians in the south and east of our country state got such a terrible opportunity to become that bandera himself, to be in the shoes of the same bandera, who defends his independence, who defends the freedom of his

people, who is slandered, tried to... put there as a traitor and a collaborator, that is why the current war has greatly changed the optics of many ukrainians to our past, and in the end bandera takes the place he should have taken, as one of the leaders of the ukrainian liberation movement, as one of those who devoted his life and paid with his life for ukraine to be independent, but his perceived as some kind of bronzed figure, is there still some i don't know desire to study all his, i don't know the early periods there. of middle and older age, unfortunately, it seems to me that there are really many such bookings, but i am not ready to name a biography of stepan bandera that i would personally like the most as a historian , which one i could say gives more opportunities to understand stepan bandera as a person who, being an ordinary person, like

each of us, managed to become a hero. that's why it seems to me that they are of such high quality biographical works about stepan bandera are probably still ahead, for many people who are just now beginning to perceive bandera, obviously this bronze period, let's say, it is inevitable, because in order for the first time, when the assessment changes, it changes quite often in a radically positive way, with possibly a radically negative one, as soon as one comes to some kind of understanding of the true essence of this person, his actions, but i am sure that... one should not be afraid of this debronzing. this debronzing will not deprive bandera of his deserved place, the place of the hero, but it will probably allow a better understanding of how he became this way, despite the circumstances , which clearly did not allow this boy of small stature, not very strong physically, who did not have the opportunity to receive an exceptionally good education, which

was basically doomed. for life in such, well, at a low level, but he broke through this very environment, he managed to become one of the leaders of the national movement and managed to bring this same national movement to a completely different level, when will we be able to evaluate him in this way, i think we will understand even better why bandera deserves to be considered a hero. volodymyr, look, you mentioned shchors and the free pedestal like that, we understand that somehow... you have to expose someone from our pantheon, and here are undeservedly forgotten or insufficiently articulated names: yevhen konovalyts, simon petliura, and kyiv. how do you assess the attempts to honor their memory at the capital level now? i would very much like it to happen, but it has already partially happened due to the fact that we have streets and petliura and konovalsya in in kyiv, again, there were many discussions that this is

impossible, unrealistic, that konovaly. perceived exclusively as halytskyi , but no, it happened, i would very much like, in fact, that this beautiful place at the entrance to the central part of kyiv could be used to erect a monument to petlyura there, given the fact that this other place is the beginning of simon petlyur street, i am convinced that he absolutely deserves it, and in the end, well, i hope that one day there will be a place for yevhen konovalts, as a monument and for stepan bander, and for roman shukhevich. thank you, volodymyr vitru. people's deputy of ukraine, historian, head of the ukrainian institute of national remembrance 2014 and 19 years, thank you mr. volodymyr for the clarification, and i think that we never get tired of getting to know our history better, and this is important, especially at such moments when we see how the enemy is trying to deprive us of the attributes of our national identity, and it is important that every ukrainian here in his head remember those important historical things, those important historical figures who actually formed this

such... our power and our strength, this is how i would like to end our program today, antin and i say goodbye to you today, but we will see you again in this studio tomorrow, nevertheless, we pass the baton to our colleagues who will continue to inform you about all the most important things, see you tomorrow, all the best. 5 p.m. in ukraine, news time on the espresso tv channel, in the studio.