side of russia to split our society, so what you said that ukrainians are panicking, a lot of this information appears from social networks, telegram channels, which spread panic among society. in fact, as we see that the parliament, when it feels, including that there are very difficult decisions that need to be made, they need to be made wisely, we can move the decision of these issues to ... to improve it, to refine it, so we are also all, all people, and we have a lot of it, every minute of our experiences, and we know what the real situation at the front, so everything needs to be worked out here, and with regard to communication, unfortunately, unfortunately, it is as it is, but we could not perceive it in any other way, except painfully.

because this is probably one of the hottest topics for ukrainians at the moment, so it cannot be otherwise, thank you, we are joined by maria ionova, people's deputy of ukraine from european solidarity, mrs. maria, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today by us, glory to ukraine, good evening, glory to the heroes, mrs. maria, today the government withdrew the draft law that it was preparing before the review, which was announced for christmas , that is, on christmas, it was registered, there was information about this draft law, about the norms of this draft law, but the government , in order not to actually pass it, not to risk the first reading, decided to withdraw this draft law, as you know, what exactly will be changed in the new draft law, i.e., to which norms did the deputies have the most questions and complaints about this government project? the first

question of mobilization has been on our agenda for two years, and the question of mobilization is a draft law, we already have it extended eight times, and in two years it is possible to improve those mechanisms that are already in practice over time, and the authorities would see that it is important to change them, and you know, these two days of incompetence, which, unfortunately, did not show any results, and well, we hear now about the failure of communication. companies, maybe there is a panic, we are already, to be honest, the information space is completely controlled by the authorities, and we know it, the only marathon, home, freedom and everything else, and anonymous telegram channels, which are also controlled by the bank, and do not carry any responsibility our faction of european solidarity immediately said that this draft law, in its absolutely unprofessional form, does not solve the problems of defense and does not solve the problems of mobilization. further

, i would also consider the issue of mobilization, well, we and the committee were working on a draft law as well as on the register of military personnel, and unfortunately we lost a month, is it possible to organize the work of the parliament in such a way that we really work through it, here is the second question, i think everyone has already said, but why didn't the supreme commander-in-chief introduce this this time bill, why was he afraid to take responsibility and for some reason write off this... to be honest, the responsibility is on the army, that is, some closed, open meetings, i understand that the committee really worked there for three days, they also said that , that they are ready to work on it and have indeed returned this bill for revision, but let's not forget, i don't mean mr. zheleznyak said about this that there are still alternative bills that the committee has to consider and the verkhovna rada also rejects them. to pour, that is

they have already been worked on, but unfortunately, they were not voted on in these two days, and this is so irresponsible, and i would like such challenges to be high now, so that, after all, there was mature politics, and now for this disruption, who will be responsible, why , let's say this , the issue was not resolved within two days, and to be honest, i would really like it if we met the parliament as soon as possible, we rejected the alternative projects that are now available, and the supreme commander-in-chief must submit a new project taking into account those proposals which the specialized committee worked out, because when you talk about specific norms, there is a whole matrix and a huge document, which was really considered step by step and improved or, let's say, discussed.

but again, i want to say once again, let's not forget about the bill on the registers, because there are a lot of negative norms that wanted to be included in the law on mobilization, unfortunately, there, and it does not decide, for example, when we are talking to you about obd, there too, maybe mr. yaroslav will correct me, there are also a lot of anti-constitutional norms, that is, all this must be considered in a complex way, and it is very important that the authorities take this responsibility, and if the polish solution is an alternative one, it is possible and should be a presidential bill, which would be absolutely logical, because it is submitted it eight times, and the question of the ministry of defense, again, is not a question of the military ... worthy, unworthy, it is a question of our state, it is a question of our mobilization, a question of the future of our state in general, what are we, well, during martial law, and therefore the one who slows down in reality these processes are a kind of sabotage, as for me

, so we need to find the political will, finalize the normal text of the bill, assemble the parliament, vote and, you know, not look for... any reasons that this bill will worsen someone's ratings there, now the question is really responsibility , and unpopular decisions, and not to introduce any illegal or unconstitutional bills, that is, it means that the government itself is sabotaging the mobilization, and what has been done in terms of information is demotivation, because the law on mobilization, it must comply with to questions about demobilization. and to be honest, it is also very important to shorten the chain of these actions, yes, when there is a speaker, a leader, servants of the people, the government, the ministry of defense, the general staff, that is, you know, let's not make our military hostages of some such personal fears in

the hierarchy of powerful circles, that is, this is an extremely high price for this, thank you, ms. maria, mr. yaroslav, ms. maria... says the right things in principle and that the mobilization concerns the entire country, and it does not only affect the supreme commander there political responsibility, and this is the political responsibility of all power, both legislative, executive, and military, eh, this is a question of the future of our state, this is a question of those people who are currently at the front, i understand that... now to this draft law the new verkhovna rada will return already in february, do i understand it correctly, not very correctly, now one of the scenarios, i emphasize, this is not final information, as

you have seen, not only the congress of the united states works very unpredictably, but the verkhovna rada also, that next week, previously sounded tuesday, i think that a little later there will still be an additional meeting at which a final decision will be made on another draft law on the military register, and accordingly, perhaps by that time some revised version of the law on mobilization will be introduced, there are separate issues on regulation, in general, how it will be introduced, because the government has withdrawn its draft law, and there are four alternatives. bill, they still remain, but there is a certain probability that in january, even before the opening of the new session of the parliament, if in in february, the draft law

on changes and mobilization will be considered in the first reading, and therefore i would not make predictions about specific dates yet, but there is definitely such a possibility ... it remains, i am in favor of the fact that the war is not waiting , that is, everyone said it right here, i can only repeat that everyone is present on the air, and as the constitutional majority of the ukrainian parliament has already made decisions on mobilization eight times, just as many times they made decisions on extending martial law, the first of them was adopted... on february 4, 2022, that is why we have mobilization, we have certain government resolutions and other normative acts that regulate it, and unfortunately, no one stops it, well, because the war has not yet ended with our victory

victory, so i wouldn't make any apocalyptic predictions here or there, or statements that it's due to procrastination. for a couple of weeks of consideration, which would be, let's be honest, finished only in february, somehow changed the course of mobilization, but... but i have a colleague, he is your ex-colleague, a journalist, now, a member of the defense committee, serhii rahmani , he has a phrase that is very suitable for this, that haste and speed are different things, well, i think that there is no need to explain that in the law, which is the most important in the entire history of our term of office, and one of the most painful, including that it applies to everyone, not which ones. no, and sometimes sufficiently outrageous, including

legal mistakes, can have quite catastrophic consequences for specific tens of thousands, if not millions of people, so again, the situation that came out in the parliament, it is shameful from the point of view communications, well, i don't even want to tell now just how it was and... it was painful to watch, especially how at first certain of our politicians tried to shift this responsibility, but the fact that the parliament defended both subjectivity and the right to make a normal text , with a normal legal grant, taking into account the position of the ombudsman on human rights, taking into account some proposals of other ministries, at least take the time to calculate how much money we need for this, because there are no such calculations,

at least as of now, i think that this is the only correct way out, it is a pity that what many guests of your broadcast confidently spoke about, starting from christmas, when the text was entered, was not done right away unfortunately, such a process was proposed to us by the authorities, and unfortunately, only today. received some normal logical continuation, thank you, mr. yaroslav, allow me, yes, please, yes, allow me to add, because yaroslav correctly says that, in principle , the parliament defended and, and did not allow, let's say yes, to include anti-constitutional norms in the draft law, but the parliament is already a consequence, and when we talk about mobilization, there really is an existing law, and you and i have also been talking for a long time about what it is, what norms need to be changed, how it needs to be improved, because the country

is not only now in a state of war, but in a state of very combative active actions, and it is important for us, also, when you asked me, mr. serhiy, about the importance of those norms that were changed, it is about training, training of military personnel, because well it will help not only provide us replenishment of the army, but really make normal rotations, vacations for defenders, well, that is, who are already fighting almost. two years, and , as it were, we also have to speak honestly about the losses, and society also has to understand that this is not a fairy tale, and active hostilities are going on every day, but really, this difficult communication and, well, let’s put it this way, the absence of any such an adequate explanation regarding the future norms of the draft laws, which took place and there were temporary restrictions, that caused this panic and this information chaos, and that is why it is important to draw conclusions, indeed, this law was withdrawn. put a logical full stop there regarding the four alternatives, and a document will be returned where

the norms will be really changed, all unconstitutional ones will be cleared, that is, especially if, because it will definitely be adopted, and it is very important that it be adopted, be effective, and people will be motivated, not demotivated, thank you, ms. maria, ms. elizaveta, and why the supreme commander of the armed forces of ukraine, president of ukraine volodymyr zelenskyy did not personally represent this bill, do you have an answer to this question or not? i think that it is the responsibility of everyone, the branches of government, not just to discuss and present this draft law, to decide what will be in it, i think that president zelensky, as well as... our chief general zaluzhnyi, have recently said

more than once about the fact that mobilization is very important and it will be necessary to fight a lot, president zelenskyi, who is currently abroad on important foreign trips, also answered questions about those people who are currently abroad at his press conferences outside ukraine, men, what will happen to them, what will happen to the mobilization of those who are now abroad. i think that the communication is going, and with regard to the presentation, this bill, this is... the issue is very much that concerns everyone, and i am worried that the ministry of defense, the government and the parliament will still finalize the version of the law that we are very happy with. is very much needed, at the moment, as my colleagues have already said, well, as it happened, we were

probably not sure that the law in the form in which it should be adopted now, therefore... i hope that in the coming days there will be finalization will take place, we will know what will happen to the alternative draft laws, what norms will be taken from there and used in the future law, we will know all about this in the near future, it is 100%, the war is not waiting, as you said, because in there is simply no way for us to sit and wait, when, i don't know, this law will be passed in the spring, it should happen. thank you ladies and gentlemen, we have to take a short break, we'll be back in our studio in a few minutes, stay tuned. big air of vasyl winter, two hours of airtime, two hours of your time, two hours to learn about the war and what the world is like, two hours to keep up with economic and sports news, two hours

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we will sum up the results of this vote. i want to remind that today we have people's deputies on the air. yaroslav zheleznyak, maria ionova and elizaveta yasko of ukraine. we are not only talking about mobilization, because today the government withdrew its project on mobilization and promises to submit a new version of the draft law for consideration by the verkhovna rada of ukraine. this was stated, in particular, by the minister of defense rustam umyerov, and it will be in the near future, as he said, and taking into account the criticism and comments that were... which were until now against the background of how the verkhovna rada of ukraine tried to approach the consideration of the law on the draft law on mobilization, in the ministry of defense itself there is a struggle against those officials or contractors or subcontractors who provide the armed forces of ukraine with various

services, today the state bureau of investigation reported the seizure of the property of one of the... largest suppliers of the ministry of defense, who tried to bribe an investigator, it is about lviv businessman ihor grynkevich, actually about a whole family, a whole family that worked with the ministry of defense, it means several companies that supplied various products to the armed forces of ukraine, well the ministry of defense of ukraine, and since the end of the 23rd year, the sbi has been investigating the devices. military businessman with purchases of clothes and underwear for the armed forces of ukraine for 1.5 billion uah, more than half of his 23 contracts with the ministry of defense were not fulfilled. hrenkevich wanted to give the investigator a bribe of $500,000 for assisting in the return of property seized during the investigation.

the ministry has already terminated all contracts with companies that were connected to the hrenkevich family. today , real estate, premium vehicles owned by the owner have been seized family of a businessman, and accounts of companies controlled by him. ot. ladies and gentlemen, i wanted to ask you, for the past two years, the ministry of defense has been rocked by corruption scandals, sometimes eggs are bought for 17 hryvnias, then some companies earn billions of hryvnias, or maybe even billions of dollars, it is not known for sure, what are you can you tell me why this is happening in the first place and who is responsible for it? responsibility, because it is clear that the hrynkevich family no longer earned 7 billion alone. mrs. maria,

please, mr. sergey, i also have the same question number one, who will be responsible for this? well, because we already see that, for example, in the western media, we are no longer concerned with war, but with the fight against corruption, yes, what kind of corruption is there in ukraine, and excuse me, this is a question... well, not only of domestic politics , because well, without the continuation of such systemic reforms, well , there will be no substantive talks, neither about nato, nor about the eu, and all, if the promises of the partners that we have today are actually an advance, and this advance was won for us by the armed forces forces of ukraine, as well as what concerns the application and the start of negotiations, so some part was done by some state institutions, but in fact it is... more of a heroic feat of the security and defense sector, but when we talk at the same time about corruption in the ministry of defense

, especially in the procurement sector, well, of course, that it distances us from the critically needed membership in nato, the eu, and just in principle it is very shameful in its essence, because all the scandals, they destroy the image of the country, and first of all, the image of the president, both the government and the parliament. and therefore if in principle such scandals endanger international, military and economic aid, and we can already see it with you, that what concerns the united states and the eu is not only domestic politics, but it is also used a lot, let's say that, what is going on in our country, scandals like this, skeptics use against us, that's why... people, taxpayers, in other countries, they really don't understand why they should give funds there, shells, when ukrainians,

ukrainian authorities, well, how plots are further stolen on an absolutely huge scale, you we just heard in the report, and i'm sorry , but we understand that no country in the world has succeeded in fighting corruption completely, but we have created an anti-corruption infrastructure, but this, unfortunately, since 2019, it is completely controlled by the office of the president and independent there are no leaders, that’s why the government’s struggle now is with corruption, it resembles , you know, such sports slavery, when he is caught, photographed, and then released, because, excuse me, when you say 17 eggs, there are poor-quality uniforms, unfulfilled contracts on munitions, drones, and there are guilty verdicts, well, that is, i would like to see that, after all, in some... corruption case , an end was put, and people were not released, so zelensky has all the power, he has all the power, and we have to understand that , for example, such appointments as

the accounting chamber, the person who owns the zelensky villa there, well, this is simply unacceptable, we will still be forced by the parliament to change this decision, but why expose the country, it’s just that again, this is some constant internal sabotage from the authorities, thank you. thank you, ms. maria, ms. elizaveta , do you perceive these stories that are happening as part of your responsibility, because monopower implies monoresponsibility, if there is a monomajority, there is a government appointed by the verkhovna rada of ukraine, a monomajority, and all power, in fact, in the country belongs to party representatives , servant of the people, that is , you, when you hear about these scandals, you feel your sympathy. responsible for it, i 'll tell you when i hear about such and such scandals, when i find out, i feel very scared and ashamed, first of all as a person, er... for

moral, ethical reasons, i just can't imagine how it is possible that when there is so much tragedy in the country, that someone on this earns, well, i don't understand how it's even possible, i can't, i don't know, maybe i'm just such a person, but now i want to say emotionally in such a human way, i , well, it's just a shame, it's very shameful that to... this question, i do not agree with the fact that, firstly, all power belongs to the monomajority, we know that unfortunately, no matter how much we all want everything control, unfortunately, the situation is now such that there are those people who abuse in different places, they do not always occupy the positions of managers, it can be different

officials, it can be different... er, representatives of different bodies who quietly somewhere they are engaged in corruption, huge or small, we know such stories, and here i am talking about the fact that we know these stories, i want to protect the government, and the government in general, all of us, in the fact that those anti-corruption structures that we created, they began to act, i am not the first time on the air i say this to you because i think that before... we didn't hear about these stories, so it hurts us a lot to hear about these stories now, but without them we won't be able to see that there are investigations, that those who committed crimes, are responsible, i know 100% that the number of cases opened on corruption, and that, that the real work that

is being carried out by anti-corruption... bodies, it is not commensurate in size than it was before. now a lot of work is going on so that everyone who is somehow related to corruption is responsible for it and sits. and you know, a few weeks ago, for example, i visited our lukyanivske sizo as part of a meeting with our ministry of justice, and one of those very serious impressions, which i learned that, for example, those who are now... sitting for the state treason, there are already not enough cameras, we are doing a lot of this and that kind of work now, so in reality we cannot talk about the fact that there are no results, but of course i would like that there would not be such a shame, you can't steal in war, you have to constantly, every ukrainian tries

to help everyone as much as possible. someone makes money from it, it's not just disgrace, it 's, you know, it is necessary that the judicial system , of course, bring this person who steals to justice, but also some higher forces, because it's simple, higher forces - it's not no lord god, now, and the people who are in the highest echelons of power, you meant, no, i meant precisely that the higher powers in the sky see everything. mr. sergey, may i ask you a question, lady? yes yes. if you remember, lisa, the scumbag from the accounting room was fired precisely because he found these abuse in the ministry of defense. and then he was removed from the head of the accounting chamber. now they appointed one hundred percent their man zelenskyi. please tell me, did you vote for ms. pishchanska? no, i didn't specifically vote because i wasn't present at

that vote, but in general i... i support the appointment decision, yes, that is , the appointment, because that's our faction position, the faction position, that is, you accept that one hundred percent man , not independent, that is , there should be an independent person, you work in the foreign affairs committee, you heard the g7 statement, that there should be an independent head of this state institution, but the faction made a decision that a 100% zelenskiy man should head it anyway. faction of the servants of the people in this so. thank you for your reply. mr. yaroslav, what do you say about all these corruption scandals, who is responsible for them, or those who appointed these people, or those people who should control these abuses, well , they are not stealing 3 kopecks, but 1 billion , 2 billion, that is, generally crazy money, and for our viewers.